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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, vgridnev, we meeting? | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 14:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | #chair elmiko | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko vgridnev | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:02 |
| elmiko | anyone else here for the meeting? | 14:02 |
| esikachev | hi! | 14:02 |
| tosky | hi | 14:02 |
| esikachev | ) | 14:02 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:03 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | any news folks? | 14:04 |
| elmiko | i'm researching microversion support for api v2, working towards writing a spec | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | Mostly just reviews for me recently. There are a couple bugs on my radar though that I hope to tackle soon. | 14:05 |
| elmiko | i'd also like to propose making the bandit gate voting | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | I busy with internal tasks, trying to get in the new PTL role | 14:05 |
| esikachev | Nightly jobs are added! And working on adding new features to scenario-framework | 14:05 |
| tosky | still preparing the sahara-tempest-api migration to sahara-tests, I think I finally have all the steps, but figthing with gerrit ACLs | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I am ok with making bandit voting | 14:06 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: cool, i'll make a review today | 14:06 |
| esikachev | tosky: what ACL you mean? | 14:06 |
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| tosky | esikachev: Access Control List; I need also to temporarily enable the creation of new branches for cores, so that we can push the reviews with the imported code | 14:07 |
| tmckay | I am still working on refactoring around use_floating_ips as a background task -- finished testing neutron, starting on nova | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm mostly busy with internal activities, nothing to share (( | 14:07 |
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| tosky | and the ACLs are again hosted on git, so I'm trying to understand the rules to avoid a -2 on the first review :) | 14:07 |
| esikachev | ok, thanks | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | do we need to Community Roadmap topic? | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | any other news? | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:09 |
| elmiko | pretty slow this last week | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:09 |
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| elmiko | i am helping to on-board a few more red hatters who will work on v2, and researching some of the bigger features | 14:10 |
| elmiko | i don't imagine any reviews coming for v2 for at least another week or so | 14:10 |
| elmiko | that's all for me | 14:10 |
| tosky | elmiko: after moving tempest api tests to sahara-tests, we can start planning the v2 versions of the tests :) | 14:10 |
| elmiko | tosky: +1 | 14:10 |
| elmiko | oh, one more thing | 14:11 |
| tmckay | elmiko, oh, where is your deprecation rodeo etherpad for summit? | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | #topic Scenario tests releases | 14:11 |
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| elmiko | i'd like to create a new sahara.service.api package to refactor the way we handle the interaction between api and conductor | 14:11 |
| elmiko | should i make a spec to propose this change? | 14:11 |
| crobertsrh | Might be a good idea | 14:12 |
| elmiko | tmckay: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 14:12 |
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| elmiko | crobertsrh: is that a +1 to spec? | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, would be nice, I think | 14:12 |
| crobertsrh | yeah | 14:12 |
| elmiko | k, thanks | 14:12 |
| tmckay | thanks elmiko | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, tosky , hands for you on Scenario tests releases | 14:13 |
| esikachev | tosky: any news about tempest tests? | 14:13 |
| tosky | esikachev: what I wrote above, I needed to figure out an additional step and I'm working on the patches for permissions on gerrit | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | I just want to say that I have ideas to create new launchpad group for sahara tests drivers, where can add esickachev and tosky | 14:14 |
| tosky | do you want to wait for the merge of tempest api for a first release or do you want to have a first release now? | 14:14 |
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| esikachev | i am moved all default template in scenario dir from etc/ | 14:14 |
| esikachev | tosky: how many time you need? | 14:14 |
| esikachev | for moving | 14:15 |
| tosky | esikachev: I fear all the next week | 14:15 |
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| esikachev | vgridnev: what did you think about it? | 14:15 |
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| esikachev | vgridnev: and +1 for launchpad group | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | tosky, esikachev I think that we can release sahara tests along with mitaka release | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | since it's not added to requirements | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | global, I meant | 14:16 |
| esikachev | ok | 14:16 |
| tosky | ok | 14:17 |
| esikachev | tosky: next topic? | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 14:18 |
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| tmckay | oh, elmiko, do we want to list deprecation topics ahead of time, or just show up with them? on that etherpad, or another? | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | I still not sure about my attending to summit | 14:19 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: i'm ok either way, probably best to make a list there if you think it might get forgotten? | 14:19 |
| elmiko | hope you can make vgridnev, would be fun to meet face-to-face =) | 14:19 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, our new PTL should certainly be there | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | I will try to attend | 14:20 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, ++, what would be great | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | I have some ideas to put in there, I think that if will not attend to summit SergeyLukjanov will driver this discussions | 14:21 |
| tmckay | sorry, what => that | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | I will put this topics in ether pad shortly | 14:21 |
| elmiko | i added a bunch of stuff there, not sure what we will end up talking about but i tried to capture topics from past summits | 14:22 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:23 |
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| crobertsrh | Might be worth mentioning that I think we're planning to make the integration tests voting in sahara-dashboard | 14:24 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, should we discuss hdp 2.0.6 plugin deprecation and SIE, scenario tests, and doc changes? | 14:25 |
| vgridnev | so, I have some ideas that I wanna bring to sahara, so. We have a bunch of blueprints that are in unclear state, do we want to have some kind of sahara-drivers-meeting to make cleanup of that? | 14:25 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: +1 | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | crobertsrh, agreed | 14:26 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: that sounds good to me | 14:26 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, ++, I was just thinking about bp cleanup the other day | 14:26 |
| crobertsrh | that is probably a great idea, +1 | 14:26 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, also, there are wiki pages associated with sahara that are probably way out of date or not relevant anymore | 14:26 |
| tosky | good idea, the list of blueprints include many which are implemented already, or totally useless now | 14:27 |
| tmckay | like, the sequence diagrams for EDP :) | 14:27 |
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| vgridnev | tmckay, about HDP 2.0.6: I think that we can remove hdp206 from sahara-tests only in branches where it deprecated or removed | 14:28 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: tmckay https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297173/ | 14:28 |
| esikachev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297173/ | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | about SIE I think that we can do removal too, but I think that we can super short spec to discuss that | 14:28 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: also when it's deprecated? I thought we simply removed HDP 2.0.6 from the default list in Mitaka, but it's still working | 14:29 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, ++ on SIE. to clarify, then, you are saying that we should keep scenario tests for stable/liberty, stable/mitaka, etc? | 14:29 |
| tmckay | agreed, if that is the case | 14:30 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, could please say the current state of HDP 206 on CI? | 14:30 |
| tmckay | esikachev, thanks | 14:30 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: deprecated from all releases | 14:31 |
| tmckay | tosky, yes, CR this morning to remove in newton | 14:31 |
| tmckay | tosky, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297001/ | 14:31 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297001/ | 14:31 |
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| tosky | esikachev: do you mean non voting or still running? | 14:32 |
| esikachev | tosky: i mean, removed from all ci scripts | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | about blueprints, there are two options I think: additional topic in agenda, or how it's done in horizon, for example, separate meeting | 14:32 |
| tosky | esikachev: but it should run still for liberty and mitaka (kilo will be out of support soon) | 14:33 |
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| vgridnev | I think that the separate meeting will be overkill for us | 14:33 |
| esikachev | tosky: in liberty actual version is ambari 2.2 | 14:33 |
| tosky | esikachev: no, hdp is still working | 14:34 |
| tosky | vgridnev: ^ | 14:34 |
| tosky | hdp 2.0.6 is even enabled by default there | 14:34 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, ++ I think an agenda item will be enough, and normal channel IRC discussion | 14:34 |
| tosky | and even if it's disabled by default in mitaka, devstack enables it | 14:34 |
| tosky | and it should still work | 14:34 |
| tosky | so I propose to readd hdp 2.0.6 tests to libery and mitaka branches | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | I would say that we should keep hdp206 for liberty, if it possible | 14:35 |
| tmckay | I agree with tosky. For everything up through mitaka, it should remain being tested | 14:35 |
| tmckay | we don't want to break it with a backport to stable/mitaka accidentally ... | 14:36 |
| vgridnev | tmckay, it's deprecated for mitaka, so cluster can't be created | 14:37 |
| tmckay | ah, okay | 14:37 |
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| tmckay | vgridnev, liberty then | 14:37 |
| tmckay | I thought we just put out a warning ... | 14:37 |
| tmckay | but if we refuse to launch, okay | 14:37 |
| tosky | when you discuss the deprecation policy again in Austin, please talk about the meaning of "deprected" and the cycle again | 14:38 |
| tosky | deprecated* even | 14:38 |
| tosky | I still feel that deprecating should be like what happens with library: a bit statement printed, but still working | 14:38 |
| vgridnev | agreed, there is a lot of mess with meaning of this word | 14:39 |
| tosky | we suddendly move from "working" to "not working" without notice (as deprecated is basically "not working") | 14:39 |
| tmckay | yes. I think warning is good, exception is a bit of overkill. I go in and remove the exception ;-) | 14:39 |
| elmiko | tosky: i thought that is how we interpret deprecated now? | 14:40 |
| tmckay | we could even add a config "raise_on_deprecation", default true if we like | 14:40 |
| elmiko | i thought we warn about deprecation for a cycle, then remove | 14:40 |
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| tosky | I thought as well, but I would need to check the code for hdp in mitaka | 14:40 |
| elmiko | if not, we need to seriously look at the deprecation tag policies and make sure we are inline with them | 14:40 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, some of the plugin deprecations are done with an exception | 14:40 |
| tosky | iirc it was just disabled | 14:40 |
| tmckay | elmiko, soft stop for a developer (but for a non-tech-savvy customer, effectively immediate breakage) | 14:41 |
| tmckay | maybe a little too harsh | 14:41 |
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| elmiko | then, i agree with tosky. we need to talk about this again and better establish our methodologies | 14:41 |
| tmckay | maybe a config to toggle would be a good compromise. "We really don't want you to use this, but if you must .... set the config" | 14:41 |
| tosky | elmiko: may I point out that you +2-ed this? :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292364/ | 14:41 |
| tmckay | tosky, lol | 14:42 |
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| tosky | tmckay: and you too :P | 14:42 |
| tmckay | me too | 14:42 |
| tmckay | I am ashamed | 14:42 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:42 |
| elmiko | well, we need to revisit it then | 14:42 |
| tosky | ok, so just please try to define the policy properly for future deprecations | 14:42 |
| elmiko | i'm ok being wrong.... occasionally ;) | 14:43 |
| tosky | (I won't be in Austin) | 14:43 |
| tmckay | elmiko, let's make it part of deprecation rodea | 14:43 |
| elmiko | we need to better follow this: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html | 14:43 |
| elmiko | and probably state that we will deprecate (meaning give warnings), then remove | 14:43 |
| elmiko | i realize that tag is mainly about api stuff, but still | 14:44 |
| tmckay | added a note to the etherpad ... | 14:45 |
| vgridnev | uh, I forgot something to mention. it looks like new third-party CI was added to sahara, Mirantis Rally CI, but it looks like it's still failed | 14:45 |
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| esikachev | rally-team working on it | 14:46 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, do you know something about estimates when it will working? | 14:47 |
| esikachev | they said 'asap' | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks esikachev | 14:49 |
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| vgridnev | also, I will try to be prepared to the future revisiting blueprints, I will add new topic to meeting with the ether pad to track that | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | I hope that we can find something to discuss at the summit | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | Maybe | 14:51 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 14:51 |
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| vgridnev | 5 mins left, anything else to discuss? | 14:54 |
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| vgridnev | 5 | 14:56 |
| vgridnev | 4 | 14:56 |
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| vgridnev | 1, thanks for attending to the meeting | 14:56 |
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| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 14:56:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-24-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-24-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-24-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
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| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 14:57 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:01 |
| johnbelamaric | hello | 15:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:02 |
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| janzian | Hello | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | This week is Ryan's week to chair the meeting. Is he on-line? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: he's on spring break | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | ok, | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | I'll chair it then | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks! | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 15:04:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| mlavalle | We made it to Newton | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Yay! | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Thanks everybody for their hard work during Mitaka.... We'll do it all over again in Newton :-) | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | We are a month away from the Austin Summit. If you have talks scheduled, start geeting ready. It will be here before we know | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | and I apologize for not updating the agenda. I thought Ryan was doing it ;-( | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:07 | |
| mlavalle | We have the same 3 bugs from last week. | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1478100 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478100 in neutron "DHCP agent scheduler can schedule dnsmasq to an agent without reachability to the network its supposed to serve" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | We need to get back to this one. It is related to DHCP stuff we need to do. | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | it was marked as mitaka RC by armax and has a patchset ready for review | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | marked as RC potential | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't see it marked rc potential anymore. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | thanks for the clarification :-) | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | any other comments | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | No, just that we need to figure out who is going to handle DHCP for routed networks. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | good point | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1533034 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533034 in neutron "an unclear error info returned when create an ipv6 subnetpool associate to ipv4 address scope" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | No change since last week | 15:12 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, mlavalle yes, I couldn’t see how it could make the RC cut | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | it was moved to Newton-1 milestone | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | by armax | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | I can't figure out why it was bumped up to High. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I'll ping armax later and asked why | 15:13 |
| armax | did I bump something to High without providing a reason? | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm having trouble staying connected. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1533034 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533034 in neutron "an unclear error info returned when create an ipv6 subnetpool associate to ipv4 address scope" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe there is something about it that I don't see yet. | 15:15 |
| * mlavalle posted bug in Neutron channel for armax to review at his leisure | 15:15 | |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:16 |
| armax | I think I did because I noticed the code was using id() rather than whatever it was supposed to do | 15:16 |
| armax | and I feared there was something more to it | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: I'll have a look today. | 15:17 |
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| armax | it can probably be demoted now if have assessed there’s nothing else broken with the workflow | 15:17 |
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| armax | but the use of an undefined variable that didn’t get exposed via testing freaked me out at first | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll set it at medium at the end of the meeting | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | thanks armax for the clarification :-) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] | 15:19 |
| armax | mlavalle: I did already | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric, pavel_bondar: you made some comments lately about this onw | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: tidwellr is working on this. | 15:19 |
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| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: I think ryan took a look and Carl suggested changing the allocation mechanisms. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | We're going to try something new which Ryan has in review. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Let me find it. | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: ah ok... yeah I know he played with it last week | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | One suggestino would be to rollback the changes done in Mitaka. this would leave open a concurrency issue for Galera, but would be better than what is there now | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | I'll assign it to Ryan | 15:20 |
| johnbelamaric | I would suggest then that we do the new implementation as a separate driver | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207/ | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Why a new driver? | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | Hmm. looking at this it is in the non pluggable code? | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | Well, a new driver leaves current behavior (sequential IPs) in place. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: It is in both. | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | Ah. ok | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Ryan started playing with the non-pluggable code first, I think. | 15:21 |
| johnbelamaric | As I see it, the pluggable infrastructure is ideal for experimenting wiht this kind of change. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | For those that aren't up to date. The idea is to try dropping the availability ranges table entirely. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Then, avoid congestion in allocation by picking a new IP randomly from a window of next available IPs. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ Turns out this is the tricky part. Many UTs depend on predictable IP allocation. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | (end summary) | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | So, UTs that test things other than the actual IPAM can still use the sequential driver | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: interesting. We have to weigh that against the difficulty of supporting more drivers. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyway, I'm sure Ryan will have more for us next week. | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | OK, moving on... any other bugs I might have missed? | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | if not... | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I'll pass it on to Ryan. It is an interesting point. | 15:27 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: No, not that I can think of now. | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | We have lots to do! | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | we do! | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | We need to commit someone to looking at DHCP. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I'd also like to see if there is someone who could handle create / delete of segments through the segment API for ML2. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Yesterday, I finished splitting up my work so that I have a patch that allows reading segments through the API but they still must be created through the multiprovidernet extension. | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | right | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I broke out a WIP patch where I started to work on create / delete but I realized that we could let someone else work on that while we make progress in other areas. | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | This person would hopefully already be familiar with ML2 and segments. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm going to proceed with associating subnets with segments and look at IPAM changes. | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | That's where I am. | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | I am working on the patchset to move the segments table out of ml2 | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | I am refining the migration script | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | Also working on the host segments mapping | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Oh, I also have some rebasing in progress locally that is dependent on that moving table patch. | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | And also have a pretty good idea on where to start on the Nova side. We need to get to agreement on the nova neutron synch up when port is created in Neutron with an IP | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | Later today I will review the spec with my proposal on how to address that | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I updated the spec and I put a diagram in one of my comments. | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | It wasn't very well received during the Tuesday meeting but I think it will enrich the discussion | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | anything else? | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Nope | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | I don't see vikram around, so maybe we should skip this topic | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | This topic is mostly done. janzian is enriching the unit tests, adding test cases for floating ips | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | janzian: anything to share with the team? | 15:39 |
| janzian | Not really, just chugging along with it | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | ok, ping us when the patchset is up for review | 15:40 |
| janzian | Will do | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open agenda | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:41 | |
| mlavalle | any other topics the team might want to bring up? | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | ok, thans all for attending. tty next week! | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 15:43:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-24-15.04.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-24-15.04.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-03-24-15.04.log.html | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:44 |
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| elmiko | anyone around for the api-wg meeting? | 16:00 |
| elmiko | etoews ? | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | hey cdent | 16:00 |
| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| elmiko | was just asking to see if anyone is here | 16:00 |
| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 16:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hey =) | 16:01 |
| etoews | hello! | 16:01 |
| cdent | hola | 16:01 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| dstanek | hello | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-10-16.00.html | 16:02 |
| etoews | i think we're all checked off there | 16:03 |
| cdent | Yeah, a fair stack of stuff got frozen | 16:03 |
| elmiko | that was nice | 16:03 |
| etoews | very much so | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic Tackling TODOs in existing guidelines | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tackling TODOs in existing guidelines (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:04 | |
| cdent | ah, this was one I raised | 16:04 |
| cdent | I was reading through the existing guidelines and realized there are a lot of blank spots and it made me realize that I don't think much about the guidelines after they pass through gerrit. | 16:04 |
| cdent | And we probably need to be more...mindful? | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i talked with sdague a little about the TODOs in the error message, i could take a stab at filling those out | 16:04 |
| elmiko | cdent: +1 | 16:05 |
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| cdent | Some of them are not aligned with the current scope of the guidelines and hangovers from the earlier wiki pages. | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | maybe we need to do something like the code-based projects and have an end-of-the-cycle TODO-fest or something? | 16:06 |
| annegentle | heh hangovers | 16:06 |
| annegentle | hangover cure | 16:06 |
| cdent | yeah, end of cycle, get some orange juice, aspirin, coffee, get to work | 16:06 |
| elmiko | right, pick a week and do a virtual sprint on the TODOs | 16:07 |
| etoews | i suppose it's also a question of how we manage the potential guidelines | 16:07 |
| etoews | most projects would use an issue tracker to put TODO stuff into | 16:08 |
| etoews | rather than have it in the code (guidelines in the case) | 16:08 |
| annegentle | true dat | 16:08 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:08 |
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| cdent | we could hop on the storyboard bus? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i dunno, i've seen plenty of TODOs stuck in code | 16:09 |
| cdent | it might be useful to have some kind of tracking thing in place | 16:09 |
| stevelle | that would be an improvement over the current state | 16:09 |
| sdague | storyboard is a bus that might not go anywhere unfortunately | 16:09 |
| stevelle | only challenge is communicating it is on storyboard | 16:09 |
| elmiko | do we need a launchpad for api-wg? | 16:09 |
| stevelle | folks wont looks there first | 16:09 |
| etoews | i'm not familiar with storyboard beyond it's a thing that was supposed to do project mgmt or something. | 16:09 |
| dstanek | if storyboard isn't going to become a thing i think launchpad is good enough | 16:10 |
| etoews | ya. it's the simplest possible thing in this case. | 16:10 |
| etoews | and our needs are modest. | 16:10 |
| cdent | storyboard is newly refreshed. infra is using it more. there was just a posting to the dev list about latest changes and such | 16:11 |
| cdent | I was suggesting it merely because of that reminder | 16:11 |
| cdent | launchpad is fine too (despite the fact that it is horrible) | 16:11 |
| * elmiko has not used storyboard | 16:11 | |
| cdent | it's also prety horrible | 16:11 |
| cdent | :D | 16:11 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:11 |
| elmiko | so.... trello? | 16:12 |
| etoews | done | 16:12 |
| elmiko | /s | 16:12 |
| etoews | :P | 16:12 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:12 |
| annegentle | heh | 16:12 |
| cdent | Can we extract an action from this? | 16:12 |
| annegentle | we have openstack-api-site and openstack-doc-tools in launchpad now | 16:12 |
| etoews | cdent: we have to | 16:13 |
| annegentle | would either of those be useful in this case | 16:13 |
| elmiko | seems like lp is the path of least resistance | 16:13 |
| cdent | yes | 16:13 |
| annegentle | openstack-api-site seems about right | 16:13 |
| etoews | cdent: but i would rather do action than extract action | 16:13 |
| annegentle | since we were talking about publishing the guidelines there | 16:13 |
| cdent | etoews: heh, I was thinking extract the thing we put in an # action | 16:14 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm good with api-site, but i think we should get a link up there | 16:14 |
| elmiko | (meant to propose a link but it got lost somewhere....) | 16:14 |
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| cdent | so how about | 16:14 |
| annegentle | elmiko: get on it man! :) I'll assign you your first but in openstack-api-site then? | 16:14 |
| elmiko | although, i wonder if we shouldn't have a separate lp just for api-wg. i don't want the lines to be blurred too much | 16:14 |
| cdent | #action start tracking todos and other planning style issues for wg in launchpad openstack-api-site | 16:15 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 16:15 |
| cdent | it's cheap enough to have our own | 16:15 |
| etoews | cdent: are you saying create our own? | 16:16 |
| etoews | (which i'm fine with) | 16:16 |
| cdent | easier to navigate it we do | 16:16 |
| annegentle | I'm fine with that, openstack-api-wg in lp | 16:16 |
| elmiko | my only concern is differentiating between api-site issues and guideline related issues | 16:16 |
| annegentle | and there's too many bugs in api-site already :) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | ok, maybe best to make a new lp | 16:16 |
| etoews | it would require a tag but openstack-api-wg is better | 16:16 |
| elmiko | yea, +1 | 16:16 |
| etoews | is that something we can do right now? | 16:17 |
| cdent | yes, I did it for something else yesterday, so I'll do it again | 16:17 |
| sdague | anyone that's admin on the group can make official tags | 16:17 |
| annegentle | yeah, fairly straightforward | 16:17 |
| elmiko | cdent++ | 16:17 |
| etoews | thanks cdent | 16:17 |
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| cdent | #action cdent to create openstack-api-wg launchpad | 16:17 |
| etoews | moving on... | 16:18 |
| etoews | #topic Doc: RST plus parameters YAML files as substitute for Compute API not fitting Swagger/OpenAPI | 16:18 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294078/ | 16:18 |
| * cdent looks at sdague and annegentle | 16:18 | |
| annegentle | here | 16:18 |
| sdague | yeh | 16:18 |
| annegentle | sdague: you want to intro? | 16:18 |
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| sdague | sure the, best place to start is probably the planning etherpad | 16:18 |
| sdague | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-site-in-rst | 16:19 |
| sdague | I started doing a deep dive into the hard parts of our existing apis and swagger a couple weeks ago | 16:19 |
| sdague | and there are some ... intractable problems | 16:19 |
| sdague | I think our #1 near term mission should be to get off of WADL, which is causing friction in fixing issues in our user facing API docs | 16:20 |
| annegentle | well, problems large enough to need ongoing engineering | 16:20 |
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| sdague | so in that etherpad is data collection and proposed steps forward to doing an RST first approach to our API | 16:20 |
| elmiko | bummer about the swagger problem areas, but looking at the beginning of this etherpad they seem pretty entrenched | 16:20 |
| sdague | with plug points (sphinx extensions) for structured data | 16:21 |
| sdague | the structured data starting off as a pretty adhoc thing to capture what's currently in the wadl | 16:21 |
| annegentle | ideally, we can get that structured data from fairy-slipper migration somehow | 16:21 |
| elmiko | imo, getting to the point of projects having rst based api docs seems like a nice short-term goal | 16:21 |
| sdague | but those structured data points could be swapped out for things like swagger / raml in the future should we want to go there. | 16:21 |
| annegentle | elmiko: yeah, I've come to that as well | 16:22 |
| elmiko | especially if those docs are controlled by the projects | 16:22 |
| elmiko | sdague: +1 | 16:22 |
| sdague | once we have a publish pipeline that gets us useful docs to the end user | 16:22 |
| annegentle | elmiko: the response I've gotten from reaching out to all the projects hasn't been overwhelming, but the ones that do respond really need to know what they can do | 16:22 |
| annegentle | I think this gets us a publishing pipeline, but still requires the work on teams | 16:22 |
| sdague | and, trying to keep this scoped narrow enough that it could largely done in this next cycle | 16:23 |
| annegentle | I hope it's less engineering time and maintenance. I think it is. | 16:23 |
| elmiko | annegentle: seems to me it would be useful to have a template that projects can look at for reference as to how they can create these docs, and where to put them | 16:23 |
| sdague | elmiko: yeh, we're going to have a worked example in compute first | 16:23 |
| elmiko | if, in the future, we create tooling to help automate the transition between code and docs then so much the better | 16:23 |
| sdague | there are POC patches up there for the servers resource being converted over | 16:24 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:wip_api_docs | 16:24 |
| annegentle | yes | 16:24 |
| elmiko | sdague: cool, have you looked at projects like keystone who keep their descriptive api docs in the specs repo? | 16:24 |
| sdague | by putting it in the dev docs for nova | 16:24 |
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| annegentle | nova's not a fan of the specs repo for this elmiko | 16:24 |
| sdague | elmiko: I have not really, because this was mostly about getting off WADL | 16:24 |
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| elmiko | ok, fair | 16:25 |
| annegentle | goal 1! | 16:25 |
| annegentle | :) | 16:25 |
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| sdague | my guess is we'd keep this in the core nova repo, much like our api-guide | 16:25 |
| elmiko | believe me, i would love to get sahara off the wadl stuff (i think it's out of date anyway) | 16:25 |
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| sdague | but... there are some chunks of conversion tooling that we need a little bit better first | 16:25 |
| elmiko | sdague: ok, i don't have a strong opinion about the where, i just liked keystones approach | 16:25 |
| annegentle | elmiko: ok | 16:25 |
| elmiko | sdague: yup, +1 | 16:25 |
| sdague | elmiko: yeh. I think being in specs would also be fine actually. | 16:26 |
| etoews | does http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html become a landing page linking out to all of the project api docs? | 16:26 |
| sdague | it's not going to hugely matter | 16:26 |
| annegentle | and also, we took this to the nova api team meeting yesterday, and while they are disappointed a bit to lose swagger, I think they understand the priorities | 16:26 |
| dstanek | elmiko: i think we did that partially because of the way specs change the API, made sense to be in the same repo | 16:26 |
| sdague | etoews: I think so | 16:26 |
| elmiko | i think the tooling will probably take different shapes depending on the wsgi framework used by each project | 16:26 |
| annegentle | elmiko: yea it can | 16:26 |
| elmiko | dstanek: ack | 16:27 |
| sdague | I think the long term should be that each project has their API ref somewhere they can approve | 16:27 |
| annegentle | er etoews yea, it can. We still need some good IA/nav on developer.openstack but the idea is to make that site better and not source from wadl | 16:27 |
| etoews | that's more or less what it is now anyway with the links being in the left-hand nav | 16:27 |
| sdague | they publish to a dedicated subtree on developer.openstack.org | 16:27 |
| elmiko | dstanek: i just really appreciate what you folks did with the api docs, +1 | 16:27 |
| sdague | and there is a top level index | 16:27 |
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| elmiko | sdague: soo yes to projects controlling their own api docs | 16:27 |
| etoews | elmiko: can you provide a #link ? | 16:27 |
| annegentle | yep dstanek, next would be to publish that conceptual info to developer.openstack | 16:27 |
| annegentle | dstanek: we can talk more after if that's a good outcome to the keystone team | 16:28 |
| dstanek | annegentle: sure, that sounds good | 16:28 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/master/api | 16:28 |
| elmiko | etoews: i think there is work to be done there in terms of creating a full, in-depth, description of all endpoints. but i like the general approach | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | but as for a descriptive version of the api docs, i really like the work keystone has done | 16:29 |
| annegentle | yeah elmiko +1 | 16:29 |
| sdague | yeh, I'll look with some of that as well. Though, at the end of the day it's going to be RST, so you can do anything you like | 16:29 |
| annegentle | so, you all are okay with a new approach to api reference? | 16:29 |
| elmiko | sdague: do you envision their being some sort of config file which projects can propose changes against for the location of their docs? | 16:30 |
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| annegentle | and the loss of swagger is ok? | 16:30 |
| * elmiko cries | 16:30 | |
| elmiko | i'll get over it ;) | 16:30 |
| sdague | elmiko: it will be project config somewhere | 16:30 |
| annegentle | heh | 16:30 |
| elmiko | sdague: +1 | 16:30 |
| cdent | annegentle: anything is better than paralysis :) | 16:30 |
| sdague | I think the important lesson I learned from this research is swagger/raml are API design tools | 16:30 |
| sdague | that have the side benefit of a docs toolchain | 16:30 |
| annegentle | elmiko: it's sorta the other way round, where each project makes a publish job to developer.openstack | 16:31 |
| cdent | sdague++ | 16:31 |
| elmiko | sdague: i can see that | 16:31 |
| annegentle | sdague: yeah | 16:31 |
| elmiko | annegentle: ok, that works too =) | 16:31 |
| etoews | they also serve well as machine parsable contract between client and server | 16:31 |
| sdague | etoews: they could | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i mean, i really like the swagger stuff but the whole "actions" and heat template issues are huge | 16:31 |
| etoews | (swagger/raml that is) | 16:31 |
| sdague | there is very minimal tooling on that at this point though | 16:31 |
| etoews | ya. i understand. we need something now. it's okay with me. | 16:32 |
| sdague | if our top concern is machine parsable client/server contract, I honestly think we should just propose people make wsdl interfaces :) | 16:32 |
| cdent | (etoews there's that whole side issue of "If you need a machine readable contract between client and server then you are doing the web completely wrong...) | 16:32 |
| etoews | too cruel man too cruel | 16:33 |
| cdent | (but that's not germane at this time) | 16:33 |
| annegentle | heh | 16:33 |
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| sdague | right now I'd like humans to be able to understand our APIs without reading our source code | 16:33 |
| sdague | which is mostly not possible | 16:33 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:33 |
| cdent | word | 16:33 |
| etoews | cdent: hateoas + ??? ftw! | 16:33 |
| elmiko | and at least if the projects can control their docs _and_ they are rst it should lower the bar | 16:33 |
| annegentle | let's hope so | 16:33 |
| sdague | elmiko: right, that was exactly the thinking | 16:34 |
| * elmiko fingers-crossed | 16:34 | |
| elmiko | sdague: it's way too sensible ;) | 16:34 |
| annegentle | I will draft a "Swagger, where art thou?" email to openstack-dev | 16:34 |
| annegentle | outlining the new plan | 16:34 |
| etoews | also being able to -1 a code review because it doesn't update api docs is HUGE | 16:34 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 | 16:34 |
| annegentle | elmiko: 100+ | 16:34 |
| annegentle | gawd e complete :) | 16:34 |
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| annegentle | etoews: +100 | 16:34 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:34 |
| etoews | i think we can move on | 16:35 |
| annegentle | cool | 16:35 |
| annegentle | thanks all | 16:35 |
| annegentle | and of course thanks sdague | 16:35 |
| elmiko | thanks sdague and annegentle for pushing this forward =) | 16:35 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:35 |
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| etoews | #topic Do a cross project session? | 16:35 |
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| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 16:35 |
| annegentle | doit | 16:35 |
| sdague | I proposed one specific to the API docs discussion | 16:35 |
| etoews | we currently have a wg session on monday at 2 pm. | 16:35 |
| sdague | as I figured that is going to need socialization and feedback. And hopefully we'll have a good chunk to show there. | 16:36 |
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| etoews | should we have a more general one for the api wg or does the session on monday suffice? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | maybe a q&a session about how the community interacts with the guidelines? | 16:37 |
| etoews | that could work | 16:37 |
| sdague | although, if it's already in the monday track, that might be duplicative | 16:37 |
| elmiko | true | 16:37 |
| etoews | monday for working on some stuff (the TODOs?) and tuesday for Q&A? | 16:37 |
| elmiko | as for our session, how will we plan it? (i have a few ideas i'd like to present to the wg) | 16:38 |
| etoews | ya. there could be overlap. | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | i think it would be nice to get a little time at the cp meeting to get the pulse of the community | 16:38 |
| sdague | I think if there is something specific we're trying to move forward, that would be better for cross project sessions. Those are really meant to be more typical design summit sessions with goals, discussion, outcomes | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | ah, ok | 16:38 |
| etoews | that's reasonable | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i do have some specific ideas/plans around the guidelines and the community, but i would like to propose them to the wg first | 16:39 |
| etoews | elmiko: do you have the etherpad link to our wg session? | 16:39 |
| * elmiko starts digging | 16:39 | |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:40 |
| etoews | thx | 16:40 |
| cdent | I _hate_ etherpad for exactly that reason. It's a place where info goes to be never found again. | 16:40 |
| elmiko | totally | 16:41 |
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| cdent | I think they call that a wiki | 16:41 |
| cdent | :( | 16:41 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 16:41 |
| elmiko | i'll add my thoughts to our pad | 16:41 |
| etoews | i somehow get the feeling that tuesday would get us more engagement than monday but i'm just basing that on gut feel. | 16:41 |
| etoews | sdague: is the cross project day effectively a single track? | 16:42 |
| sdague | etoews: no, it has often been a 3 track day | 16:42 |
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| sdague | we're a bit more flexible in austin though, so it may have more / less tracks at each time block this time | 16:42 |
| sdague | as we try to ensure less contention on specific items | 16:43 |
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| sdague | but for planning purposes, assume 2 other sessions are running against yours for attention | 16:43 |
| etoews | k | 16:43 |
| sdague | I honestly think monday is probably less attention contention than tuesday | 16:43 |
| etoews | okay. let's keep it to monday. and on monday we can identify some of the cross project sessions on tuesday that are relevant to the api wg and try to attend those. | 16:44 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 16:45 |
| sdague | yeh, that seems like a good strategy | 16:45 |
| etoews | movin on... | 16:45 |
| cdent | I'm going to mail a photo of my head on a stick to elmiko. | 16:45 |
| etoews | #topic Etags and the lost update problem | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | cdent: sweet! | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i will carry it with pride | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i'm very curious about this topic, did a bunch of reading after cdent brought it up in -sdks | 16:46 |
| cdent | Yeah, so sdague and I kinda stumbled on to the fact that anywhere we suggest people use PUT but don't tell them about Etags we are causing lost update potential | 16:46 |
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| cdent | #link https://www.w3.org/1999/04/Editing/ | 16:46 |
| cdent | that's very old but still very true | 16:46 |
| etoews | well...PUT as it's supposed to be implemented :P | 16:46 |
| sdague | and only swift seems to have any infrastructure to support this at all | 16:47 |
| cdent | right the issue is that etags are not a part of the openstack zeitgeist in any fashion | 16:47 |
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| cdent | So I've already committed to writing an initial informative guideline | 16:47 |
| cdent | but there's probably more to think about | 16:48 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:48 |
| sdague | we're going to need some supporting code for this I think on both the server and client side | 16:48 |
| etoews | definitely | 16:48 |
| cdent | this probably relates to the above topic about creating issues on launchpad | 16:49 |
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| cdent | so beyond needing conceptual guidance we need technical guidance | 16:49 |
| cdent | it exists out there in the wide world, but we need to bring it local and blessed | 16:49 |
| sdague | I don't know how much of it can be done as a pipeline element | 16:49 |
| elmiko | is this something that would become an olso lib? | 16:50 |
| sdague | it would be nice if the answer included some utility libs, plus a bunch of examples | 16:50 |
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| cdent | elmiko, sdague: I don't think it is something that can be all that generic, etag generation is complicated | 16:50 |
| sdague | sure, or just have the api-wg own it. Not all openstack libs must be oslo. | 16:50 |
| sdague | cdent: ok, sure | 16:50 |
| elmiko | sdague: ack | 16:51 |
| cdent | I mean we migth be able to make it happen, but then it won't be clear and maintainable to the local code | 16:51 |
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| sdague | sure | 16:51 |
| elmiko | i do like the idea of api-wg taking on some code projects, i think it helps the lifeline, but does take us a little away from the initial goal of only creating guidelines | 16:51 |
| cdent | I'm not sure what the right path is, I simply wanted to make sure that we start thinking about it. | 16:51 |
| sdague | yeh, I think surfacing it as a known issue | 16:51 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:51 |
| cdent | elmiko: I kinda wondered about that while creating microversion-parse | 16:52 |
| elmiko | starting with information seems like a nice step | 16:52 |
| elmiko | cdent: yea, exaclty | 16:52 |
| etoews | we certainly want to avoid proliferating unmaintained code | 16:52 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:53 |
| sdague | I feel like it's best to keep code near the expertise. Having api-wg folks maintain some of these libs seems best for that. | 16:53 |
| cdent | etoews: it dosn't have to be maintained if begins life correct ;) | 16:53 |
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| cdent | (correct like my irc typing) | 16:54 |
| sdague | cdent: until we get a major python version bump :) | 16:54 |
| sdague | as we have discovered | 16:54 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:54 |
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| etoews | we could narrow the scope of microversion-parse to just left padding the header value | 16:55 |
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| cdent | etoews++ | 16:55 |
| elmiko | nice... | 16:55 |
| dims | LOL | 16:55 |
| elmiko | etoews: could we turn it into a microservice too? | 16:55 |
| etoews | is there any action here or was this just for discussion? | 16:55 |
| cdent | anyway, we've ground that into the ground. I think we all agree that etags matters. The action is | 16:56 |
| cdent | #action cdent starts an etag guideline | 16:56 |
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| cdent | from there we'll move on to sample code | 16:56 |
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| etoews | ++ | 16:56 |
| cdent | but I think we need to hash the informative guideline first | 16:56 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 16:56 |
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| etoews | and sample could potentially just live in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/ | 16:57 |
| etoews | anything else to discuss before we wrap up? | 16:57 |
| cdent | seems good stopping point | 16:57 |
| etoews | those frozen guidelines, are the ready to merge? | 16:58 |
| elmiko | nothing here | 16:58 |
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| etoews | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z is not loading for me | 16:58 |
| etoews | 503 | 16:58 |
| cdent | gerrit is taking a little break | 16:58 |
| etoews | alrighty | 16:59 |
| etoews | thanks all | 16:59 |
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| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 16:59:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-24-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-24-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-24-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 17:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app-catalog)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Courtesy ping: kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb markvan spzala | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_ws | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Agenda for today: | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | morning kzaitsev_ws ! | 17:01 |
| docaedo | or .. evening for you? | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_ws | evening for my, actually yes =) | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | ah ok well thanks for always being around late into your night, it's appreciated :) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | Unfortunatelly I don't have much updates for the past week — been mostly buse preparing tickets for austin and for another domestic business trip, that's going to happen next week | 17:02 |
| docaedo | Maybe gonna be a fast quiet one for use today | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | ok .. and for the record | 17:03 |
| docaedo | We had a really good conversation yesterday with some of the folks working on Glare. Logs can be found here: | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-app-catalog/%23openstack-app-catalog.2016-03-23.log.html | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | I haven't checked the latest on the TOSCA web changes, but the first pass was a good start | 17:04 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295376/ | 17:04 |
| docaedo | other than that though, like you I've been having to focus on some other stuff lately so haven't done a ton with app catalog, though I'm really looking forward to the summit, and some of the conversations we'll be having | 17:05 |
| docaedo | Looks like no one else is joining us, so .. will wait a few more minutes before calling it just in case | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | the commit looks sane btw, I think we need to maybe check that it actually works and probably let it in =) | 17:07 |
| docaedo | well yeah, first pass had some formatting issues with the web side of things | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | OK I think we are done - thanks for stopping by sir ;) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-03-24-17.00.html | 17:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-03-24-17.00.txt | 17:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was beginning to wonder if i was alone on one side of a network split :-) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like we have thin attendance today | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 18:03:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have thin attendance today | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will try to wrap up quickly today with some annoucements for the benefit of those who read the logs | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we cut a new stable release for all repos, for all supported releases | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you can check the latest applied tag for these | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:05 |
| * tbachman scrambles in | 18:05 | |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the integration job was broken and is now fixed, so we are good to review and approve patches | 18:06 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for fixing that! | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for the support! :-) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the GBP master branch currently point to stable/mitaka dependencies | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the GBP devstack will install GBP master on OpenStack stable/mitaka | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Is the plan to keep this for a while, or to create a stable/mitaka of our own soon? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we cut over to OpenStack master as soon as we release stable/mitaka | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah right on cue :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think we need to discuss what our plan should be for releasing mitaka | 18:08 |
| rkukura | agreed | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps (a longer) offline discussion (or on GBP IRC) | 18:08 |
| rkukura | In theory, we could maintain a stable/mitaka branch for some time before actually releasing it, right? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we need not add a release tag | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I’m looking at this from the perspective if the RDO delorean stuff, where our masters are no longer compatible with the other projects’ masters. | 18:09 |
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| rkukura | But I still don’t have any concrete info on what needs to happen to get delorean turned on for GBP | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree, from that perspective it makes sense to keep up with the rest of the openstack ecosystem in terms of release cadence | 18:10 |
| rkukura | We should switch to semantic versioning before cresting the stable/mitaka, I think | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lets try to nail the release timing down by the next meeting | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and the semantic versioning is the other thing | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so that’s a firm requirement now? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so we should nail this down by next week as well (lets discuss offline) | 18:13 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure its a technical requirement, but I believe the switch is considered complete in mitaka | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design Specs | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Status attributes spec: #link https://review.openstack.org/289127 | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i have updated the spec based on the comments provided till date | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i believe its ready to move forward, will appreciate some love on this to push it forward | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the implementation patch #link https://review.openstack.org/289530 | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | already has the spec implemented | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but while doing some overzealous refactoring i broke a bunch of UTs, and i have still not fixed those | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also, igordcard_’s spec needs at least one more +2 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/ to enable creating a feature branch on which he can start experimenting | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | finally, the NFP spec needs attention #link https://review.openstack.org/239743 | 18:20 |
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| rkukura | I’m back after network issue | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i was just metioning that the QoS spec needs one more +2 to start the experimentation | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275358/ | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | once its approved i can cut a feature branch | 18:22 |
| rkukura | I promised to review that last week - will do it today | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: this is basically to approve that the path is sane enough for experimentation | 18:22 |
| rkukura | right | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:23 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have update on the workshop planning | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we are having network connectivity issues here, i will wrap for today (unless there is something more to discuss) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | before i drop out again | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty then, thanks for joining today! | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:24 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 18:24:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-24-18.03.html | 18:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-24-18.03.txt | 18:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-03-24-18.03.log.html | 18:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:37 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 21:37:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:37 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:37 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the ops guide / arch guide specialty team meeting | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | ? | 21:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting ops_guide | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 21:52:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-03-24-21.37.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-03-24-21.37.txt | 21:52 |
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