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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 28 16:05:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:05 |
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| sc` | ohai! anyone here for the meeting? | 16:06 |
| markvan | yo | 16:06 |
| sc` | howdy markvan | 16:06 |
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| akravets | Hi | 16:08 |
| sc` | cloudscaling is done with the ec2-api cookbook and asked about next steps. i asked them to join this week's meeting to discuss a little more real-time | 16:08 |
| akravets | Yes, I'm Anastasia, I'm here | 16:08 |
| sc` | hi! | 16:09 |
| sc` | i think it's going to be a pretty small group | 16:09 |
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| sc` | since it's late for you akravets, how about we focus on that first | 16:09 |
| akravets | Thank you. | 16:10 |
| sc` | i've been reading over the documentation, but being that this is all new to me, i'm still getting my head wrapped around it | 16:10 |
| sc` | i'll be bugging infra and possibly j^2 if he has time since he's gone through this before | 16:11 |
| sc` | to make way, i submitted reviews to deprecate the api-ec2 recipe in the compute cookbook, as well as the role definitions in repo | 16:12 |
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| sc` | #action sc` to get a new repo created for cookbook-openstack-ec2 | 16:13 |
| sc` | #topic ci | 16:14 |
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| sc` | as you've no doubt noticed, i've been spamming the ever-living-fuck out of our channel trying to get ci working for both centos and ubuntu, and it's a game of whack-a-mole | 16:15 |
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| sc` | get one working, the other fails somewhere. currently ubuntu is failing trying to upload the cirros image to glance. this failure is not seen on the centos gate | 16:15 |
| akravets | For now our cookbook is working in ubuntu | 16:16 |
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| alevine | Hi everybody. Sorry to be late. Was on a call. I probably can answer questions in regard to EC2 | 16:17 |
| sc` | a lot of it is just accounting for naming discrepancies and adding conditionals for those variances | 16:17 |
| sc` | we're targeting both ubuntu and centos support for mitaka | 16:17 |
| sc` | so ec2 support may not make it to mitaka without that. of course, there's nothing that says it can't be backported | 16:18 |
| alevine | sc`: Could you please repeat without what? | 16:19 |
| sc` | being able to support both distros | 16:19 |
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| alevine | sc`: So is it a hard requirement or not? | 16:20 |
| sc` | i, personally, don't want to add features that are only available on one platform | 16:21 |
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| alevine | sc`: Can a more concrete decision be made because we are very short on resources right now and we need to understand if it's a hard one or not. | 16:21 |
| alevine | sc`: And what is a deadline for contributing for Mitaka to understand how much time we have if it's a hard requirement. | 16:22 |
| sc` | it's a semi-soft requirement from my perspective. we don't have to hold up the mitaka release just because of that, but not having centos support leaves a good swathe of downstream out in the cold | 16:23 |
| alevine | sc`: And what else? | 16:23 |
| alevine | sc`: I understand everything you're saying I just don't understand if it's `required` to support centos to get into Mitaka or not. | 16:23 |
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| markvan | I would vote for having both distros supported in mitaka whereever we can. Not sure if this function is that big of deal or not. | 16:23 |
| sc` | it's not a big of a deal where we have to hold up the release | 16:24 |
| alevine | markvan: Again "wherever we can" doesn't help much. Should or should not? | 16:24 |
| sc` | i mean, we're already shipping mitaka sans swift | 16:24 |
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| markvan | I guess my point would be that we try to get "buy" in for support in the next release so we don't create more platform holes | 16:25 |
| markvan | and yeah, we could then backport if folks wanted it | 16:26 |
| j^2 | sc`: the apache2 cookbook was released yesterday | 16:26 |
| sc` | j^2: woo! thank you! | 16:26 |
| alevine | We don't have resources for much further development for chef EC2 so unless something is a concrete hard must have we won't even consider it. | 16:26 |
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| alevine | in this cycle at least | 16:26 |
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| sc` | alevine: understood. we all have more pressing obligations. increasingly so over the past cycle or so | 16:27 |
| alevine | sc`: Yes, as usual. So a decision should be made about this. | 16:28 |
| sc` | alevine: so if we bring this cookbook in with just ubuntu support, will we be able to get any support from your team? | 16:28 |
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| sc` | otherwise, we need to let this slip to newton and move on | 16:29 |
| alevine | sc`: And also, we don't even have an unofficial project in Openstack to put it in yet. And we wouldn't want to create it ourselves obviously. | 16:29 |
| alevine | sc`: Yes, we'll provide support for everything that is done by now and probably we'll add support for centos later. | 16:29 |
| alevine | sc`: EC2 for Ubuntu in Mitaka we'll support, yes. | 16:30 |
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| sc` | alright. sounds good. i already have an action item to chase, so i'll do that and keep you apprised via email | 16:31 |
| alevine | sc`: Perfect, thank you. | 16:32 |
| sc` | back to ci, the biggest problems i'm facing are just dealing with image quirks | 16:32 |
| alevine | sc`: alexandrelevine@gmail.com and rtikitavi@gmail.com | 16:32 |
| sc` | alevine: cool. thanks | 16:33 |
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| sc` | markvan: i was expecting a DRY comment. thanks :) | 16:35 |
| markvan | sc`: yeah, minor one, but would be nice cleanup | 16:35 |
| sc` | yup | 16:36 |
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| sc` | since there's a new release of apache2, i'll be getting repo off of master so we don't have any more fun times | 16:38 |
| markvan | sc`: +1 | 16:39 |
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| sc` | #topic cutting stable/mitaka | 16:39 |
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| sc` | this needs to happen this week | 16:40 |
| sc` | i think jklare is still tagged as release meister | 16:41 |
| sc` | but that should probably be me, unless it's already done | 16:41 |
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| sc` | i'm less than enthusiastic about some of things we're initially leaving out of mitaka, but it just means that stuff spills over into newton and gets backported | 16:45 |
| sc` | fortunately, not many downstream users are going to feel this pain, unless they make the jump to mitaka immediately | 16:46 |
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| sc` | unless anyone has anything else, i'll be happy to give back the next 8 minutes | 16:51 |
| sc` | thanks for attending. see you next time | 16:52 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 28 16:52:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-28-16.05.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-28-16.05.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-03-28-16.05.log.html | 16:52 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 28 17:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #chair NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | sup! | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | I expect most people are out for easter monday today | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | wazzup! | 17:01 |
| jroll | let's jump right in | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | ah yes! | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
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| jroll | first things first, apparently y'all are stuck with me again this cycle | 17:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Contrats jroll | 17:01 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | :P | 17:01 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| thiagop | ah yeah, well! I think I might endure that... :D | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:02 |
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| thiagop | congratz jroll | 17:02 |
| jroll | next up - we released all the things last week, they're all here | 17:02 |
| devananda | jroll: grats :) | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | And also TheJulia !!!!!!! | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/index.html | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | and we have a new person... | 17:02 |
| davidlenwell | yay! | 17:02 |
| jroll | and we welcomed TheJulia as our newest core \o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | congrats! | 17:02 |
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| thiagop | wow, congratz TheJulia ! | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | Thank you everyone | 17:03 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:03 |
| * jroll thanks folks for the congrats as well | 17:03 | |
| jroll | another thing - our stable/kilo gate is green again, thanks goes to mriedem for fighting that | 17:03 |
| * thiagop thinks he missed a lot from last week... | 17:03 | |
| dtantsur | congrats jroll, TheJulia :) | 17:03 |
| * NobodyCam gives congratz to everyone for the work that went into the release | 17:04 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, one thing about this Kilo gate-fixing: it's sad that we've lost the pxe_ipa job | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | I see it as kind of a dangerous situation | 17:04 |
| jroll | and newton is open for development | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | yea newton! | 17:04 |
| jroll | dtantsur: it wasn't stable at all :/ | 17:04 |
| [1]cdearborn | \o | 17:04 |
| jroll | dtantsur: maybe we don't deprecate bash ramdisk until kilo EOL then | 17:04 |
| jroll | s/deprecate/kill/ | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I think we already agreed on that :) | 17:04 |
| jroll | right | 17:05 |
| jroll | so I think it's okay | 17:05 |
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| * dtantsur checks if killing the bash ramdisk is on the list of summit topics | 17:05 | |
| jroll | oh, one more gate thing, the IPA post job to publish ramdisks is currently broken, hoping https://review.openstack.org/297796 will fix it | 17:05 |
| jroll | I've been grinding on that, will continue until it's fixed - then making stable tests actually use the stable ramdisk | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | oh, good | 17:06 |
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| jroll | more newton things: summit ideas go here: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-summit | 17:06 |
| jroll | and starting on priorities here: | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-priorities | 17:07 |
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| jroll | I expect to finish that during the summit | 17:07 |
| jroll | we need to finish the session planning by mid-april | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | I think this list is more than complete :D | 17:07 |
| jroll | summit schedule has been posted here: | 17:07 |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090606.html | 17:07 |
| jroll | that's a pdf attachment, so check your actual email for the schedule | 17:07 |
| jroll | dtantsur: finish trimming it down, I should say :) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | hehe | 17:08 |
| jroll | so that's a million announcements from me in no particular order. anyone have anything else? | 17:08 |
| JayF | jroll: has these ever been another version of that newton summit etherpad? | 17:09 |
| JayF | jroll: I feel like I added something to a completely different etherpad | 17:09 |
| jroll | JayF: not that I know of | 17:09 |
| jroll | heh | 17:09 |
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| NobodyCam | there was a netwon section onthe midcycle pad | 17:10 |
| jroll | ooo yeah | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-mitaka-midcycle | 17:10 |
| JayF | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-ironic-design-summit-ideas is the other etherpad | 17:10 |
| JayF | that wasn't linked here | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | line 299 | 17:10 |
| JayF | oh, mitaka vs newton | 17:10 |
| jroll | JayF: that's last summit heh | 17:10 |
| JayF | oy | 17:10 |
| jroll | okay, moving on then | 17:11 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:11 |
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| jroll | I don't expect too much here | 17:11 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:11 |
| jroll | line 98 | 17:11 |
| jroll | we'll need to update this for newton soon, once we figure out priorities | 17:12 |
| jroll | any questions/comments/concerns here? | 17:12 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 17:14 |
| jroll | heh | 17:14 |
| jroll | moving on then | 17:14 |
| jroll | #topic RFE review | 17:15 |
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| jroll | so I've added this section to the agenda, to discuss RFEs and if they need a spec | 17:15 |
| jroll | I just have one this week: | 17:15 |
| jroll | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1561100 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561100 in Ironic "[RFE] Centralize config options in Ironic" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ramamani Yeleswarapu (ramamani-yeleswarapu) | 17:15 |
| jroll | so this references a nova spec, and something nova has already been working on | 17:15 |
| jroll | there's also a cross-project spec in review right now: | 17:16 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/ | 17:16 |
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| jroll | so I'm thinking this can be approved without a spec, but perhaps we wait for the cross-project spec to land? | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | I think that would be a good idea | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | As a note, we discussed the config stuff two weeks ago: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-14-17.00.log.html | 17:17 |
| jroll | right, so that's about using oslo-config-generator, which we should do first | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | It was decided: "we will move to oslo config gen in newton, followed by nova-style refactor of config opts" | 17:17 |
| jroll | but this is an additional thing | 17:17 |
| jroll | oh. heh. | 17:17 |
| jroll | fair enough | 17:17 |
| jroll | I still think we should wait for the cross-project spec | 17:18 |
| jroll | which, btw, is being discussed in the cross-project meeting tomorrow, iirc | 17:18 |
| jroll | that is 2100 utc tomorrow | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | ++ we already have experience doing a big thing without waiting for a cross-project agreement ;) | 17:18 |
| * dtantsur never misses a chance to mention microversioning | 17:18 | |
| jroll | ya, let's wait it out this time | 17:18 |
| TheJulia | Agreed on waiting | 17:18 |
| jroll | hah | 17:19 |
| jroll | ok cool | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Added spec link to the RFE bug | 17:19 |
| jroll | cool | 17:20 |
| jroll | I posted a note on holding off for approval | 17:20 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:20 |
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| NobodyCam | now that newton is open would love to get eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275726 (Dynamic allocation of nodes for OneView) | 17:20 |
| jroll | I feel like I had a thing here but not sure what it was now :) | 17:20 |
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| JayF | NobodyCam: I looked at that, was a little put off by the use of an external daemon :) | 17:21 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: but didn't wanna rain on the parade of a driver I'll never use :) | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: I beleieve it is worth a comment on the spec thou | 17:21 |
| jroll | I do want to point out that I'm working on using the stable builds of the agent, and getting tempest-full running. I made rfes for them to track it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1561756 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1561760 | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561756 in Ironic "[RFE] Use stable branch of agent when testing stable branches" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Jim Rollenhagen (jim-rollenhagen) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561760 in Ironic "[RFE] CI job to run full tempest suite against ironic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:21 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: I mean, honestly, I think it's a not-awesome overall pattern; but I can't bring myself to care enough when it's isolated to the driver. | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | JayF: I believe they commented on a previous revision that they intend to make that a periodic task at a later point in time since it is just a cleanup/reconsilliation thing | 17:22 |
| JayF | TheJulia: my impression of it was the oppostie; they were going to use a periodic task but changed to a daemon so it could listen ont he event bus | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | JayF: Acutal discussion with them seemed otherwise since they already had the daemon written | 17:24 |
| thiagop | JayF: Nope, the intention is to use periodic task. That's on our roadmap | 17:24 |
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| jroll | thiagop: why wouldn't the spec show that then? | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | thiagop: Could we get the spec to be a little more clear on that? :) | 17:24 |
| JayF | If the spec said that I probably would've -1'd the intermediate state of having a separate daemon :) | 17:24 |
| thiagop | jroll: that was discussed as a sugestion by lucas, I think we mentioned that we will do a follow up patch as soon as we figure out how to do that properly | 17:25 |
| jroll | JayF: agree, we should not have that intermediate state imo | 17:25 |
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| jroll | why build in technical debt if we already have a plan to avoid it? | 17:25 |
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| jlvillal | +1 | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | Seems like the path forward then is to figure out how to properly have the periodic task | 17:27 |
| * jroll commented on the review | 17:27 | |
| * JayF too | 17:27 | |
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| jroll | yep, let's do that before we start building it otherwise :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | I didn't have a chance to read this patch, but I still suspect we might want to agree on a common design for such things | 17:28 |
| thiagop | jroll TheJulia ok then, we'll figure out how to do that now that Mitaka is out of our plans anyway | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | it's not the only driver that will have such functionality | 17:28 |
| thiagop | dtantsur: I saw the topic you had proposed to the summit, TY | 17:29 |
| thiagop | dtantsur: it will be interesting | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | didn't we have a spec for per-driver tasks.... | 17:29 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yeah, I'm wondering that as well | 17:29 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: yes, we have per-driver parallel tasks already :) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, we do have per-driver tasks | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | for a long time actually :) | 17:29 |
| jroll | thiagop: thanks in advance for updating that | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | I was looking for hte spec for that | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | the inspector inspection interface is using it | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, thiagop, e.g. https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/inspector.py#L125-L140 | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | found it | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 17:30 |
| thiagop | we just thought that having that and evolving to periodic tasks later would be a good move | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | https://github.com/openstack/ironic-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo-implemented/driver-periodic-tasks.rst | 17:30 |
| jroll | thiagop: I'd rather do it right the first time | 17:31 |
| JayF | thiagop: when you think about how that requires documentation for the original way, then documentation on upgrading + new way, plus deprecation efforts and such | 17:31 |
| jroll | which is why I'm inclined to wait and discuss a more general approach at the summit | 17:31 |
| thiagop | jroll: a'righ | 17:31 |
| JayF | thiagop: it makes a lot more since to get it 'right' from the start :) | 17:31 |
| thiagop | JayF: makes sense | 17:31 |
| jroll | anything else for open discussion? | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | thanks all | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | for ^^^ | 17:32 |
| JayF | I'll note that I'll be working on Rescue specs this week; if anyone has interest in it LMK, I'm always keen to get some help | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | JayF: Ping me when you post the draft because that may have some implications on boot from volume | 17:34 |
| JayF | TheJulia: I'd very much hope they are sufficiently detached, but there are already pretty completely specs on the ironic side | 17:34 |
| jroll | TheJulia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171878/ :) | 17:34 |
| JayF | TheJulia: just needs a little bit more love + all the nova side bp completed | 17:34 |
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| TheJulia | JayF: me too | 17:34 |
| TheJulia | ty for the link | 17:34 |
| jroll | ok, thanks all for showing up, good meeting | 17:35 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 28 17:35:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-28-17.00.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-28-17.00.txt | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-03-28-17.00.log.html | 17:35 |
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