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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 14:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| elmiko | #chair vgridnev | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko vgridnev | 14:00 |
| elmiko | #chair SergeyLukjanov | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko vgridnev | 14:00 |
| elmiko | hi =) | 14:00 |
| mionkin | hi | 14:00 |
| pgadiya | hello | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hey folks | 14:01 |
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| elmiko | #topic News / updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
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| Poornima | Hello everyone | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | it's announced that Mitaka was released! | 14:02 |
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| elmiko | \o/ | 14:02 |
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| vgridnev | also, FYI: | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/governance+branch:master+topic:sahara-tags | 14:02 |
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| esikachev | hi | 14:03 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: that's nice to see | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | this additional tags for sahara in governance ^^ | 14:03 |
| tosky | so, rejoice! | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:03 |
| elmiko | i've mainly been working on my presentation for openstack summit, and some internal stuff | 14:04 |
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| elmiko | although, i am happy to see that the service.api refactor spec got merged =) | 14:05 |
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| esikachev | i am working on prepearing sahara-tests for release, added filters for jobs on sahara-ci | 14:05 |
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| pgadiya | I am testing my changes which I have made w.r.t API v2 development on my local environment. Once tested will send the patch for review | 14:06 |
| tosky | working on moving tempest API tests, almost ready (and thanks again to SergeyLukjanov, vgridnev and esikachev for the time spent and the support) | 14:06 |
| Poornima | I am going through sahara service api now | 14:06 |
| crobertsrh | I've had a couple of fixes for a couple of ugly UI issues.... | 14:06 |
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| crobertsrh | One patch seems to break the integration tests, but I'm not sure why. Any tips would be great since I'm currently unable to run the integration tests locally. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301789/ | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | crobertsrh, ok, I will try soon | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | o/ I'm mostly busy with intrnal stuff, but promiss elmiko to start working on slides | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | it's important fix for us, I think | 14:08 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov_: awesome =) | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | anything else new? | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:10 |
| elmiko | ok | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, how is it going? | 14:10 |
| elmiko | just waiting for some reviews on | 14:10 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298464/ | 14:10 |
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| elmiko | then i'm hoping to add more patches on top | 14:10 |
| elmiko | i'm happy to hear that pgadiya and Poornima are getting up to speed as well =) | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | i've approved today spec about service.api, so going to take look on patch above | 14:11 |
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| elmiko | yea, thanks vgridnev | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | ok, cool | 14:11 |
| elmiko | otherwise, not much to report | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | ok, next then | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | #topic Scenario tests releases (tosky, esikachev) | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | folks, what do we need additional in the first release of sahara-tests? | 14:12 |
| esikachev | for release, i think, we need this patches#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295717/ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295110/ | 14:12 |
| tosky | as anticipated before, I'm testing the tempest tests converted as tempest plugin inside sahara-tests - I'd like to have it as well, coming before end of today | 14:12 |
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| tosky | agree with both reviews esikachev pointed out; I reviewed one, and I was collecting details about reno | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | I think that we need to make release till end of the next week, I think. Or if it will be possible to in the begging of the next week. | 14:13 |
| tosky | I think that the reno one should have few other details | 14:14 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: +1 for begging of the next week | 14:14 |
| esikachev | tosky: ok | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | ops, beginning, I think | 14:14 |
| tosky | beginning is better than begging :) | 14:14 |
| elmiko | hehe | 14:15 |
| esikachev | :) | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | I will take another look on reno stuff then | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | ok, anything else? | 14:15 |
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| esikachev | thats all from me | 14:15 |
| tosky | not from my side | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics and schedule preparing (vgridnev, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:16 |
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| vgridnev | ok, first. Sad news: I'm not going to summit this time, btw I have crazy ideas to join via Hangouts or something like that | 14:16 |
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| elmiko | sad that you won't be there, but having the hangout will be good =) | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov will be my representative at the summit | 14:17 |
| crobertsrh | If the conference network permits :) | 14:17 |
| elmiko | good point | 14:17 |
| Poornima | vgridnev, elmiko me too | 14:17 |
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| Poornima | on hangout | 14:18 |
| elmiko | great | 14:18 |
| elmiko | hopefully the laptops won't outnumber us ;) | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | oh, forgot link | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 14:18 |
| crobertsrh | Sounds like one or more of us should try to get some sort of meeting solution set up and communicate it to others during summit | 14:18 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: do you mean like online meeting solution? | 14:19 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah | 14:19 |
| elmiko | +1 | 14:19 |
| crobertsrh | Of course, time zone might also impact people's chance to attend "remotely" | 14:19 |
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| crobertsrh | I think Austin is UTC-6, right? | 14:20 |
| elmiko | that sounds about right | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | about schedule: most of meeting are going to be started at the morning, so I for sure will have abilities to join | 14:20 |
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| crobertsrh | That is good | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | we have draft schedule already in etherpad, I think that we should spend next meeting to finalise schedule | 14:22 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: +1 | 14:22 |
| crobertsrh | I will be out next week | 14:22 |
| crobertsrh | I think elmiko and tmckay will be as well | 14:22 |
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| tmckay | oh, next meeting? Yeah. | 14:22 |
| elmiko | yea, gonna miss next weeks meeting. oops | 14:22 |
| elmiko | but, i can certainly follow along if we propose something via email | 14:23 |
| crobertsrh | We can always discuss in the regular channel if there's anything we can't address today | 14:23 |
| vgridnev | +1, then I think that I will start finalising schedule together with Nikita | 14:23 |
| vgridnev | I guess that we will need chairs for sessions, right? | 14:24 |
| elmiko | just propose it to the ML once you and NikitaKonovalov_ have a plan | 14:24 |
| elmiko | yes | 14:24 |
| crobertsrh | At a first look, I don't see anything controversial on the schedule pad at the moment | 14:24 |
| elmiko | i will volunteer to run the apiv2 and security sessions, as is tradition ;) | 14:24 |
| crobertsrh | I'll run the UI session, per tradition | 14:24 |
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| elmiko | (assuming we use them) | 14:24 |
| vgridnev | So, if you want to lead a session, please post this data to ether pad, so that we will have ability to understand that | 14:25 |
| elmiko | ack | 14:25 |
| tmckay | I will heckle crobertsrh in the UI session, so that's covered | 14:25 |
| crobertsrh | whew, thanks tmckay | 14:25 |
| elmiko | wow... | 14:25 |
| elmiko | i will heckle tmckay heckling crobertsrh XD | 14:25 |
| tmckay | HA :) | 14:25 |
| crobertsrh | You get him good elmiko, he deserves it | 14:26 |
| egafford | I will break the cycle of violence by not heckling elmiko | 14:26 |
| elmiko | gotta preserve the chain of responsibility | 14:26 |
| elmiko | hahaha! | 14:26 |
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| tmckay | egafford, you will be mocked for that. Mocking is different than heckling | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | #action vgridnev, NikitaKonovalov to prepare draft schedule at post results in ML | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | ok, anything else that we should cover in there? | 14:28 |
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| vgridnev | BTW, please continue collecting ideas | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | More ideas is better always | 14:28 |
| Poornima | elmiko, If we write a patch do we need to share it on same branch | 14:29 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Revisiting Sahara Blueprints | 14:29 |
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| Poornima | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ is already merged to git | 14:29 |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-bp-revisit | 14:29 |
| vgridnev | so, we have few blueprints to discuss | 14:30 |
| Poornima | or we need file a bug and create branch across that bug ? | 14:30 |
| elmiko | Poornima: if you use the "Partial-Implements: bp v2-api-experimental-imp" in your commit message, it will be put on the appropriate topic | 14:30 |
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| elmiko | Poornima: no need to file a bug | 14:30 |
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| vgridnev | there are few blueprints that we should mark to implemented state, I guess | 14:31 |
| elmiko | just make sure to use the "Partial-Implements" tag in your commit message | 14:31 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/cluster-creation-with-trust | 14:31 |
| Poornima | got you :) | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | is it true that this one is implemented ^^ | 14:31 |
| elmiko | i /think/ it's fully implemented | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | ok, then | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/scalable-savanna | 14:32 |
| egafford | +1; I believe that you and I finished that off vgridnev. | 14:32 |
| egafford | (Re: trusts, not scalability.) | 14:32 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, got it | 14:33 |
| egafford | Scalability bp seems done as of Kilo (by default settings,) yes? | 14:34 |
| elmiko | yea, seems like it | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | for me too, ok | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | and this one, finally: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/fake-test-plugin | 14:35 |
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| vgridnev | do we want to extend fake plugin in some way? | 14:35 |
| elmiko | not sure if we achieved all those goals, but i thought fake plugin was in | 14:35 |
| crobertsrh | It's mostly done, isn't it? | 14:35 |
| crobertsrh | I can't think of ways that it's not done | 14:35 |
| elmiko | right | 14:35 |
| vgridnev | ok, then it's implemented. I guess that it was done for heat / direct engine testing, and it good enough in our gates | 14:37 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 14:37 |
| vgridnev | and finally, there are two blueprints, which are looks strange for me: | 14:38 |
| tosky | it was done for upstream gates, so they don't require a full image build | 14:38 |
| vgridnev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/cluster-suspend-resume | 14:38 |
| vgridnev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/development-environment-vagrant | 14:38 |
| elmiko | that suspend/resume sounds complicated | 14:38 |
| vgridnev | we have spec approved there, but with out actual details of implementation | 14:39 |
| elmiko | imo, we should drop the vagrant one in favor of a playbook for kolla | 14:39 |
| elmiko | (which would by definition include an ansible route for deploying sahara) | 14:39 |
| egafford | elmiko: +1; personally I love vagrant, but reuse of OpenStack ecosystem tools will only improve all our lives in the long run. | 14:40 |
| crobertsrh | +1 for ansible/kolla | 14:40 |
| pino|work | egafford: ... when they make sense | 14:40 |
| egafford | pino|work: Valid, but kolla's kinda great, though young. | 14:40 |
| elmiko | it's a nice idea, and i don't have an active objection to it. but if we are talking about designating resources, my preference is for kolla. | 14:40 |
| pino|work | egafford: it was a general note, not directed to kolla | 14:41 |
| elmiko | regardless of the kolla integration, having an ansible playbook for sahara would be awesome | 14:41 |
| pino|work | (it actually was targeted to something else, but that's mildly ot) | 14:41 |
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| egafford | I don't see the drafter in the meeting at the moment. | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | ok, it looks like we agreed about invalidating vagrant spec | 14:43 |
| elmiko | yea, haven't see him in awhile | 14:43 |
| egafford | Yeah, it's been dead since Sept. 2014. | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | about suspend stuff, I think that we should remove spec, and keep that as idea | 14:43 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with that, we probably need to rewrite the spec anyway | 14:44 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, fine idea, just not likely to happen anytime "soon" | 14:44 |
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| vgridnev | ok, thanks folks | 14:44 |
| vgridnev | let's move on then | 14:44 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:45 |
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| vgridnev | anything additional that we should to discuss? | 14:45 |
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| elmiko | nothing from me | 14:46 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:46 |
| vgridnev | I'm going to prepare fixes to put in stable/mitaka shortly, just FYI. | 14:46 |
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| vgridnev | since stable/mitaka is now opened for post-release things | 14:46 |
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| crobertsrh | Yes, I think the 2 cosmetic, but ugly UI fixes should be backported | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | crobertsrh, +1 | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | anything else? | 14:48 |
| huichun | vgridnev: suspend and resume will move to N? | 14:49 |
| vgridnev | huichun, for jobs? | 14:49 |
| huichun | Yes | 14:49 |
| vgridnev | yes, N is now opened, let's make that happen | 14:49 |
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| vgridnev | 5 | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | 4 | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | 3 | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | 2 | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | 1 | 14:50 |
| tosky | a long 1 | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | thanks, folks! | 14:50 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:50 |
| elmiko | thanks all | 14:50 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 14:50:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-07-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-07-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-07-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 14:59 |
| vikram | hi | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 15:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| janzian | Hello | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:00 |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr1 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr1 | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | that way we are fault tolerant ;-) | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Summit is just 3 weeks ago. Looking forward to see you all personally in Austin | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | just 3 weeks away^^^^ | 15:02 |
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| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements from the team? | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | ok, if not | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | This week we added a few high priority bugs | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | :( | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | first up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563883 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563883 in neutron "test_net_ip_availability_after_subnet_and_ports failed in _assert_total_and_used_ips" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | it seems armax proposed solution and it merged | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | yay! | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell) | 15:06 |
| tidwellr1 | good progress this week | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I saw that :-) | 15:07 |
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| tidwellr1 | still polishing a fix, but I've made it through the unit tests | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr1: Is your fix linked to the bug? | 15:08 |
| tidwellr1 | yes, it is | 15:08 |
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| tidwellr1 | sequential allocation of IP's has certainly been the expectation, we're proposing changing that | 15:08 |
| tidwellr1 | I wonder how well it will be receieved.... | 15:08 |
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| * carl_baldwin must have missed it. | 15:08 | |
| carl_baldwin | Oh mlavalle linked it. Thanks mlavalle | 15:08 |
| pavel_bondar | tidwellr1, thanks for working on that! | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments about this one? | 15:09 |
| tidwellr1 | nope, still WIP | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm going to propose a change to IPAM to allow drivers to consider more than one subnet at a time. That should help the performance of this change. | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | all right moving on... | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | next one is being worked by pavel_bondar I believe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | part of issue is addressed with the first patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984/ | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll have another look. | 15:12 |
| pavel_bondar | but it does not cover ipam driver awareness of SLAAC deallocations, which is expected to be fixed in separate patch. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I also need to catch up with the discussion on the bug report. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566291 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566291 in neutron "L3 agent: at some point an agent becomes unable to handle new routers" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | obondarev has proposed a fix and carl_baldwin and haleyb have commented on it | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | anything to discuss in this meeting? | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like it might just be ready for a +2 | 15:16 |
| haleyb | yes, think mine was just a nit | 15:16 |
| obondarev | hi, I'm about to address a comment from haleyb | 15:17 |
| obondarev | just a few sec | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | obondarev: Ping when it is up. | 15:17 |
| obondarev | carl_baldwin: yep, thanks | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | obondarev thanks! | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | moving on | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | Last one up today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566383 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566383 in neutron "The creation fip does not endure restarting of l3-agent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to QingchuanHao (haoqingchuan-28) | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven't looked at this one. Will look. | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team I may have missed? | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | no | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:21 | |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we've made some progress on this one. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I updated the patch to associate segments and subnets. Now have to go rework the extension and start on the IPAM changes. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | We've got some new owners for certain pieces like the DHCP work and the l2adjacency flag. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all from me. I think we're making very good progress overall. | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP dynamic routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:24 | |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 15:25 |
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| vikram | hi | 15:25 |
| tidwellr1 | not much to report this week | 15:25 |
| tidwellr1 | at least from me... | 15:25 |
| vikram | working on the repo creation patch | 15:25 |
| vikram | needs review help "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268726/" | 15:26 |
| Na_Zhu | I think the new repo creation patch need more review | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | anything else on this topic? | 15:27 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: need your blessings | 15:27 |
| Na_Zhu | @Carl, can you take some time to review it? Really need your help. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I will | 15:27 |
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| Na_Zhu | @Carl, thanks | 15:28 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: Na_Zhu: have you addressed feedback from Andreas? | 15:28 |
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| Na_Zhu | carl_baldwin: Vikram has addressed it | 15:29 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: yes | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don't see a reply. Could you add a reply? | 15:29 |
| vikram | ok, i wil | 15:30 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: Ohh I didn't noticed the latest comment | 15:30 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: Will address | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | vikram: thanks | 15:31 |
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| Na_Zhu | vikram: that is comment from me | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | ok, I think we can move on now... | 15:32 |
| vikram | Na_Zhu: Ok will address your's as well | 15:32 |
| vikram | mlavalle: that's it | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open discussion | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: thanks, you really do a nice job about the repo creation | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | any topics that need to be raised to this team? | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I think this was a quick one. We will return 25 minutes to everybody's agenda | 15:34 |
| steve_ruan | mlavalle: there is bug need to be reviewed | 15:34 |
| steve_ruan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282180 | 15:34 |
| steve_ruan | it's ready for sometime | 15:34 |
| steve_ruan | this patch is the spec of bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1525059 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525059 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for external vxlan encapsulation to neutron router" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to steve (ruansx) | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | steve_ruan: thanks for bringing this up. I encourage the team to review it. | 15:36 |
| steve_ruan | thanks | 15:37 |
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| vikram | carl_baldwin: Addressed AJaeger comment ;) | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:37 |
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| yamamoto | i want to ask opinion about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556884 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556884 in neutron "floating-ip association is allowed via router interface" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to YAMAMOTO Takashi (yamamoto) | 15:38 |
| yamamoto | (same as the last week) | 15:38 |
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| yamamoto | and there's a related rfe https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566191 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566191 in neutron "Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: thanks | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:40 |
| yamamoto | IMO the regression in validation should be fixed first. and then we can consider the rfe. opinions? | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: looks reasonable to me | 15:42 |
| pavel_bondar | one more fix for reviewers to take a look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272125/ it fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1534625 | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1534625 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Ipam driver is not called on update subnet if allocation pools are blank" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: thanks | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | ok, thanks for attending this week | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | see you in channel and gerrit :-) | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 15:44:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-07-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| yamamoto | bye | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-07-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-07-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 16:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 16:00 |
| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| * elmiko does 3 amigos salute | 16:01 | |
| cdent | anybody else joining in for api-wg meeting? | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-03-24-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| dstanek | o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | I reckon those are done. I made https://launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg and started https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301846/ | 16:02 |
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| cdent | and etoews even made a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1562058 (gaining him ten points!) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562058 in openstack-api-wg "Links guideline" [Undecided,New] | 16:02 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:02 |
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| * etoews loves internet points | 16:03 | |
| cdent | you can do so much with them | 16:03 |
| cdent | okay, on to new biz | 16:03 |
| cdent | #topic etags and the lost update problem | 16:03 |
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| cdent | If you haven't already seen it, that guideline has gone quite long | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301846/ | 16:03 |
| cdent | and I have some questions/concerns about it | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | i thought the baldly thing was a joke at first XD | 16:04 |
| cdent | Though long it leaves out a lot of detail | 16:04 |
| cdent | baldly as in: overly straightforward, without even being shy about it | 16:04 |
| elmiko | agreed about the length, but it seems like a great intro to someone who doesn't intimately understand etags | 16:05 |
| cdent | I had friend (from a similar we-love-http background) gaze over it and his first reaction was akin to "this is way dumbed down" | 16:05 |
| elmiko | huh | 16:05 |
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| cdent | "why don't you talk about state more?" | 16:06 |
| elmiko | but as a guideline, how far do we drill down before recommending outside sources (which you did) | 16:06 |
| cdent | "shouldn't the term 'conflict' show up more often?" | 16:06 |
| elmiko | ah, fair | 16:06 |
| cdent | yeah, exactly | 16:06 |
| * etoews reading | 16:06 | |
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| elmiko | and, imo, the state talk starts to get into impl side of things | 16:07 |
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| cdent | On the flip side the prose pretty much just flowed out of me, so we can probably get me to write more like these if we think this form of document is a good idea (that is, the patented elmiko-driven notino of problem->solution->details) | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | i'm glad to hear it flowed so well, i certainly thought it read well. i'm curious to hear if we have missed anything big with this style. | 16:08 |
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| cdent | Do any existing openstack services already use etags? I think we decided "no". | 16:10 |
| elmiko | swift? | 16:10 |
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| cdent | does swift count? :) | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | your words, not mine XD | 16:10 |
| dstanek | cdent: i just did a quick read and it looks like a good intro | 16:11 |
| elmiko | but, aside from that, i think no | 16:11 |
| cdent | thanks dstanek | 16:11 |
| elmiko | dstanek: that's encouraging to hear | 16:11 |
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| cdent | etoews: still reading? | 16:12 |
| * etoews making 1 comment | 16:12 | |
| cdent | rad | 16:13 |
| cdent | Are there additional "new topics" we should be talking about (stuff that won't be covered by guidelines and apiimpact further down the agenda)? | 16:15 |
| etoews | elmiko: are we going to prepare anything for the summit session? | 16:16 |
| elmiko | do we need to discuss the summit session any further? | 16:16 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:16 |
| etoews | :) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | i have a couple proposals to bring to the group around PR for the guidelines, but i'd need at most like 15 minutes to present | 16:16 |
| etoews | go for it | 16:16 |
| dstanek | is there an etherpad for summit session content? | 16:17 |
| elmiko | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:17 |
| elmiko | i think we need to clean it up a little though | 16:17 |
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| cdent | etoews: you wanna talk about your comment on etags here or should we save it for the review? | 16:18 |
| etoews | elmiko: after you present we just forge out way through the session agenda? | 16:18 |
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| dstanek | elmiko: perfect, thanks | 16:18 |
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| etoews | cdent: save it for the review. i'm going to have to bounce at any minute. | 16:18 |
| cdent | cool | 16:18 |
| cdent | I've got one more quick "new topic" that I forgot to put on the agenda | 16:19 |
| cdent | #topic tc candidates love api-wg | 16:19 |
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| etoews | :D | 16:19 |
| cdent | I didn't make a close count but a lot of the candidates for TC mentioned the api-wg and how it is going to take a big role in the future | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | etoews: i'm making a few comments on the pad, but i see; state of the wg, upcoming activites, and promiting the guidelines | 16:19 |
| elmiko | sweet! | 16:19 |
| cdent | that's either a cross to bear or an opportunity, but either way I guess we need to be aware of it | 16:20 |
| etoews | hah. agreed. | 16:20 |
| elmiko | also, not directly api-wg related, but since we share a channel i absolutely love the work that is happening with the openstacksdk. big props to those folks | 16:20 |
| etoews | i gotta run. | 16:20 |
| etoews | see you later in irc | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | later | 16:20 |
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| cdent | Yeah, I think one of the side effects of the big tent is that things that might have once have been thought of as on the edges are now become more central | 16:21 |
| cdent | because they links stuff up | 16:21 |
| cdent | But yeah, just wanted to air that observation. | 16:22 |
| cdent | Shall we move on? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | was sdk seen as on the edges before? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | or was that a comment about api-wg | 16:23 |
| cdent | Well one way to put it would be "it's not nova" | 16:23 |
| elmiko | haha! | 16:23 |
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| cdent | and somewhat more politick: it's not a service | 16:23 |
| elmiko | so, this is like galileo declaring that openstack does not revolve around nova? | 16:23 |
| cdent | and the services tend to accumulate the gravity | 16:23 |
| cdent | something like that | 16:23 |
| elmiko | yea, definitely cool to see more projects growing | 16:24 |
| cdent | or maybe gravity trumps planets | 16:24 |
| elmiko | heh | 16:24 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:25 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:25 |
| elmiko | hmm, when are we merging all those frozen ones? | 16:25 |
| cdent | probably now | 16:25 |
| elmiko | we should merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299416/ | 16:26 |
| elmiko | not a guideline, so i went for the +2 | 16:26 |
| elmiko | ok, so aside from the redundancy one, you should merge the microversions and unexpected attr one (cdent) | 16:27 |
| elmiko | we did announce those on list right? | 16:28 |
| cdent | the guidelines were clarified such that we only go to list when we have contention | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | ah, ok. i thought we still announce when they freeze (which i think you did with those) | 16:29 |
| cdent | because the intro to the guidelines suggested we were supposed to be prioritizing velocity and forgiveness | 16:29 |
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| cdent | yeah, I still like the idea of emailing frequently | 16:30 |
| cdent | and usually do anyway | 16:30 |
| cdent | I've +w those 4 | 16:30 |
| elmiko | right, ok | 16:30 |
| elmiko | sweet, cdent++ | 16:30 |
| cdent | so we can send an announcement for them | 16:30 |
| cdent | shall I, or you wanna? | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | i thought we only email when we freeze, not merge? | 16:31 |
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| cdent | when I was teasing apart the guidelines (which were way confusing) | 16:31 |
| cdent | where it ended up was: | 16:31 |
| cdent | "An email should be sent to the openstack-dev mailing list containing the links to all of the guidelines that have recently merged. The finalized guidelines should be buffered such that a maximum of one announcement email is sent per week." | 16:31 |
| cdent | which is unchanged from the original | 16:32 |
| elmiko | ahh, ok | 16:32 |
| elmiko | we may have been lax on that, but yes i will send an email | 16:32 |
| cdent | mind you, I agree with you that that's a bit weird | 16:32 |
| cdent | I would rather have this order: | 16:32 |
| cdent | we review | 16:32 |
| cdent | cpls review | 16:32 |
| cdent | opened for wide review by email announcment | 16:32 |
| cdent | merge | 16:32 |
| elmiko | i /think/ that is what we have been doing | 16:33 |
| cdent | however I think the concern was that this would be slow and invite input from crazies | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | maybe we should just ammend the guidelines to remove the post-merge email | 16:34 |
| elmiko | unless we decide to move to some sort of "api-wg status" type thing | 16:34 |
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| cdent | perhaps at summit you can talk with the people there about the feelings towards email and the risk of crazies | 16:35 |
| elmiko | ok | 16:35 |
| cdent | I think the guidelines were created by etoews and cyeoh | 16:35 |
| elmiko | i don't think it's been an issue though, we have always sent out an [all] email on the frozen guidelines | 16:36 |
| cdent | I think I've made my position pretty clear above? "more input from everybody, yay!" | 16:36 |
| elmiko | yea, and i don't see a deviation from our current proceedure | 16:36 |
| cdent | #action at summit elmiko will engage the people(tm) to see about how and when email | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | i'll add an agenda item to discuss the guideline process again | 16:36 |
| cdent | cool | 16:37 |
| cdent | some of the older guidelines seem a bit stalled | 16:37 |
| elmiko | yea | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i've been meaning to get back to the actions guideline, but i feel it's a massive can of worms | 16:38 |
| elmiko | and in need to send an email to help distill the thoughts | 16:38 |
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| cdent | yeah, it's difficult | 16:38 |
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| elmiko | maybe we should codify something about stale guidelines? | 16:39 |
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| elmiko | (i'll add it as a topic for summit) | 16:39 |
| cdent | I'm hesitant to become too overloaded with process | 16:39 |
| elmiko | good point | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | i'll add something about creating a process to limit the process..... ;P | 16:40 |
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| cdent | hehehe | 16:40 |
| elmiko | maybe just something to be aware of then (stale guidelines) | 16:40 |
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| cdent | review handling/velocity in general is a bit of a chore, especially things with apiimpact (which I almost never look at :( ) | 16:41 |
| elmiko | yea, that is very difficult | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | i've tried to review the PRs that i've been pulled into. but it's tough to get them all | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i think we need to lean more on having good CPLs | 16:42 |
| cdent | yes | 16:42 |
| elmiko | people who can help determine when a project needs more outside assistance for api stuffs | 16:42 |
| cdent | other than dstanek there's nobody here | 16:42 |
| elmiko | right | 16:42 |
| cdent | we probably need to send reminder emails | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | and don't get me started about the 0000UTC meeting... | 16:42 |
| elmiko | imo, we need to go back to weekly meetings | 16:43 |
| cdent | yes | 16:43 |
| cdent | another summit topic? | 16:43 |
| elmiko | biweekly just kills the cadence | 16:43 |
| cdent | I can do whenever | 16:43 |
| elmiko | yea, i'll ad it | 16:43 |
| cdent | yes | 16:43 |
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| cdent | quiet revolution | 16:43 |
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| elmiko | lol | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | i mean, in the beginning i had a few nice private chats with cyeoh in 0000 slot | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | but now it's just empty | 16:44 |
| * cdent raises a glass | 16:45 | |
| * elmiko raises a glass | 16:45 | |
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| dstanek | cdent: :-) | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | added a topic for summit about CPL participation as well | 16:45 |
| cdent | excellent | 16:45 |
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| cdent | dstanek: did you have anything you wanted to bring up or did you show up because that's what you do? | 16:46 |
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| cdent | what about you elmiko? | 16:48 |
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| elmiko | i've said my peace | 16:48 |
| cdent | If not I think we can call it, we've sort of steamed out | 16:48 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:48 |
| cdent | One final piece of noise: let's use email more | 16:48 |
| cdent | thank elmiko, etoews and dstanek. | 16:49 |
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| elmiko | agreed, i'll send something about the merged guidelines | 16:49 |
| dstanek | cdent: no not from me | 16:49 |
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| cdent | Next week is the late night non-meeting and afer that do we want a meeting in the run up to summit? | 16:49 |
| dstanek | looks like i have a bit of work to do to catchup before the summit :-) | 16:50 |
| elmiko | probably a good idea | 16:50 |
| cdent | cool | 16:50 |
| cdent | then | 16:50 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 16:50:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-07-16.00.html | 16:50 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-07-16.00.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-07-16.00.log.html | 16:50 |
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| docaedo | Courtesy ping: kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb markvan spzala | 16:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 17:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog Agenda | 17:00 |
| docaedo | morning (or evening I guess!) kzaitsev_mb | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | evening, indeed =) | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | Maybe just us today? Might as well follow the agenda for official record keeping :) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
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| markvan | o/ | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: can you give a quick update on glare status? I have not checked in on the latest patches but sounds like runserver local works for glare testing? | 17:03 |
| docaedo | welcome markvan ! | 17:03 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | hey kfox1111 - this is turning into a real meeting all of a sudden ;) | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | :) | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: I've been away most of the prev week. As for the patches — kfox1111 updated them to work with run_tests and I've updated the angular ones to work on top of that | 17:05 |
| kfox1111 | awesome. :) | 17:05 |
| docaedo | ah great - kfox1111 is there anything to note about testing glare with runserver or is it pretty obvious from the patch? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | unified them (more or less compliant with horizon's style-guide) | 17:05 |
| kfox1111 | it should work the same way its worked in the past. | 17:05 |
| docaedo | awesome I will mess with it today | 17:06 |
| kfox1111 | it will just be slower since it has to import all the entries to sqlite. | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | sounds like we're in good shape to get to a point where we can demo this at the summit | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the one that's supposed to add assets to glare is still a WIP, but most of the code is already there, I hope to finish it off today/tomorrow. | 17:07 |
| docaedo | excellent | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | We still haven't started work on auth though | 17:07 |
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| docaedo | yeah I expect that one is going to be hairy | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. that'll be a fair amount of effort to get right. | 17:07 |
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| docaedo | but getting all the right parts lined up first at least so it'll be easy to focus on the auth piece | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | Regarding AppCatalog OSC plugin | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:09 |
| docaedo | #link https://github.com/pvaneck/python-appcatalogclient | 17:09 |
| docaedo | Still holding for repo creation but that should land shortly, then pvaneck can get that code in the official repo | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | nice. | 17:09 |
| docaedo | for the first pass/foundation I think it's great, does just what we'd want for v1 api and will be easy to build from | 17:10 |
| docaedo | right now just does list and show, but pretty cool start | 17:10 |
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| kfox1111 | +1. :) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/493378/ | 17:11 |
| docaedo | some rough edges on formatting a little bit, but nice base | 17:12 |
| docaedo | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/493379/ | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | oh... | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | so, those are all components... | 17:12 |
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| kfox1111 | I'd suggest we rework it to be: | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | openstack catalog app list | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | openstack catalog component list | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | that could make sense though I figured we'd be narrowing down by type - but lots of time to tweak and adjust anyway | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: those formatting issues can be worked around I believe. At least I believe my outreachy mentee managed to find a workaround =) | 17:14 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. but I think our users will fall naturally into those two camps. | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | further filtering can be done in either case. | 17:15 |
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| kfox1111 | when I just want to launch an app, I really don't want to see all the little bits. | 17:15 |
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| kfox1111 | should be pretty easy to kergigger around though. | 17:16 |
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| docaedo | agreed - I'm hoping we'll get a conversation going *somewhere* about what an OpenStack App looks like some day | 17:17 |
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| kfox1111 | +1. maybe we can talk more about it at the summit this time around. | 17:17 |
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| docaedo | yep - more on that in our next topic ;) | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | aren't those what the summits are for =) | 17:18 |
| docaedo | markvan: any updates on the testing stuff? Need feedback/help on anything? | 17:18 |
| markvan | after a few chats with the horizon folks, seems like there might a slight change in direction for int testing framework, but will have some discussions at the summit to clarify | 17:19 |
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| markvan | basically how to best go foward with something that makes it easy for new angular code | 17:20 |
| docaedo | cool - I'm going to ask for time with the horizon team to talk about app catalog UI and horizon with them (maybe a portion of one of their sessions) | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I've got some discussions with them on that too. | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | on a related note, | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300275/ | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | a stab at moving the horizon plugin over to share app-catalog-common. | 17:21 |
| docaedo | oh yeah that counts as an update :) | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | found one hitch that I'm working around, but horizon never considered a plugin would need aditional xstatic deps. | 17:22 |
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| kfox1111 | so a non hackish solution should be discussed with them. | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | also, we'd like to share some of their angular widgets on our webiste. so being able to pull them out more easily and have both parties depend on them would be nice to talk about too. | 17:22 |
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| docaedo | yeah that would be a good conversation to have. I'm (as always) reluctant to tie the web site too closely to horizon project directly but when it solves more problems than it creates I'm in | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. we wouldn't be useing all of horizon. just using some of the stuff they already created/support. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | so we don't have to write a clone ourselves. | 17:24 |
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| kfox1111 | their magic search angular plugin and smart table stuff make things much easier. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | yep, I think I follow and agree there | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | right now, I just copy'ed the raw files in. | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | it would be nice to have that be an external dep so bugs get fixed automatically. | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we just need to make them to publish it as some sort of xstatic package, right? | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | right. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to ask Horizon team for some work session time at summit | 17:25 |
| docaedo | I think the part that scares me is that they won't be considering the app catalog website when making changes, so we need to be very deliberate with the web site | 17:26 |
| * docaedo notes we've already moved on to the next topic, so... | 17:27 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | yeah, but if they publish it as some sort of package — we would be able to depend on specific package version | 17:27 |
| docaedo | #topic Summit workroom session topics | 17:27 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:27 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-catalog-newton-summit | 17:27 |
| docaedo | Please everybody take a look at that etherpad and throw some stuff up there today. | 17:29 |
| docaedo | I want to update the summit schedule with some descriptions by end of the week | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've looked at the schedule — And I have a murano meeting, that conflicts with 1st app-catalogs one | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | ah that's a bummer | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: yep, I believe ttx mentioned, that end of next week is the dedaline for those, but always better to have it early | 17:30 |
| docaedo | the fishbowl session? | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | yeah I want to get the details up ASAP because people are already going through the schedule and figuring out where they're going to spend their time. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | Having basically empty entries is not going to attract anyone :) | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | gotta dig up a schedule table. it was there in one of the letters | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... | 17:33 |
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| kfox1111 | openstack cli has 'catalog' bound to the keystone catalog. :/ | 17:33 |
| kfox1111 | thats really unfortunate. | 17:34 |
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| kfox1111 | shoudl we talk about the naming collision again at the summit? | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | I think appcatalog is ok - considering all the history around use of catalog with respect to keystone, that seems like a pointless battle | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, no I'm not arguing we try and get them to rename. | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | I'm saying the term 'catalog' itself is really overloaded and painful. :/ | 17:37 |
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| kfox1111 | should we rename ourselves 'app store' or some other, less contended word? | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | grimoire or something? (I would have to hate to spell that though... :) | 17:38 |
| docaedo | I don't know, just publicizing the use of "openstack appcatalog list glance" or "appcatalog search Ubuntu" does not feel ambiguous to me | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | no, I'm talking a higher level. | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | I get questions all the time, | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | your talking about murano, right? | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: saw your discussions about all the 'naming hell' we're in. Seems like we'll have a chance to talk that one once more on summit | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | this is just yet another little case of using a term way too much. | 17:39 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah, that. | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | I added a thing in the etherpad. | 17:40 |
| docaedo | well yeah, I don't think anyone benefits by us picking a name that obfuscates what we're doing but I would gladly discuss/debate as well | 17:40 |
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| docaedo | (I'm partial to Application Index, but that doesn't sound really classy :) ) | 17:41 |
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| kfox1111 | time for a thesaurus. :) | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | naming things is haaard =( | 17:42 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. :/ | 17:42 |
| docaedo | I think we have enough for the work sessions anyway, so I can add details to the schedule and we can always adjust later | 17:43 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to update summit schedule with work room session topics | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | "registry"? | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | the openstack registry, the openstack app registry, etc? | 17:43 |
| docaedo | not bad | 17:43 |
| markvan | openstack "warehouse" list glance ;) | 17:44 |
| kfox1111 | no need to figure it out today... | 17:44 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... warehouse is good too... | 17:44 |
| docaedo | I'll bring some darts, we'll write them all on a board and see which one wins :D | 17:44 |
| kfox1111 | k. added those 2 to the etherpad too. | 17:44 |
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| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:45 |
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| docaedo | the floor is open :) | 17:45 |
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| kfox1111 | "exchange" maybe... | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: yeah, I have a murano work session at the same time as the app-catalog fishbowl, so I'll probably miss at least the first part of it. I'll try to pick the topics so that I'll be able to get to the 2d half of the fishbowl =) | 17:46 |
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| kfox1111 | go to the openstack exchange and download... | 17:47 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: cool, appreciate the scheduling gets really tough, appreciate whatever you can make | 17:47 |
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| docaedo | Anything else? | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | Thanks for coming, looking forward to seeing you all in a few weeks in Austin! | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 17:53:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-04-07-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-04-07-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-04-07-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | waiting for rkukura to join | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah there he is | 18:03 |
| rkukura | hi - sorry I’m late | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 18:03:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_7th.2C_2016 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no worries | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so just a quick heads up at the outset | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the gate is broken because of a new version of a dependency lib (fixtures) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302737/ | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its being fixed in neutron, and possibly in upper-constraints as well, but until then our py27 will fail | 18:05 |
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| igordcard | OChi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its failing on the stable branches as well | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yeah | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and barring a few, most tests fail due to this | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it might be possible to pin that dependency in your local repo but i havent tried it | 18:06 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: oh is that the same that is blocking my devstack patch? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but your devstack patch was failing on the previous day as well, right? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: let me check | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i rechecked yesterday | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its fine now | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i might have rechecked before this gate breakage | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: still there? | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | yes, | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design Spec - NFP | 18:08 |
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| hemanthravi | have couple of patches that failed. | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | not sure if it's due to this | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok, need to check | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the wierd thing is that my sanity job passed on our master (which is mitaka( | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so perhaps mitaka is capped properly | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kilo and liberty are definitely failing for that same reason | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks for updating the spec in response to the last set of comments | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i believe you had +1’ed this earlier, and hemanthravi has responded to your pending comments post that | 18:10 |
| hemanthravi | addressed all the comments so far, let me know if anyging is missing | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: are you okay with the current state of the spec? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | probably igordcard has slow connection | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think most of my comments were answered | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since this is a large feature, it would have been good to have more details documented | 18:12 |
| igordcard | sorry, | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however, the spec is place to facilitate the design discussion | 18:13 |
| igordcard | I didnt have major issues with it, no | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the implementation details should be captured in the devref documentation | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay thanks | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: did you get a chance at all to look at the spec? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i believe osm has reviewed this spec? | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | yes, he has | 18:14 |
| rkukura | not recently | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: and magesh? | 18:14 |
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| hemanthravi | yes | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay can you please get them to comment/vote? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | will do | 18:15 |
| songole | will do | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah there you are | 18:15 |
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| hemanthravi | have also posted a number of patches for the impl | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: right | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: igordcard: at this point my proposal is that we move forward with this spec unless there are any major objections to anything particular | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and expect that finer implemetation details will be documented in devref documents that will accompany the impl patches | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does that sound okay? | 18:16 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: OK - I will re-review it today if possible | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay cool, thanks | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura, thanks | 18:17 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yeah | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay, thanks | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP Devstack Plugin | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300557 | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks for the NFP discussion | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for posting this patch | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i have tested it and it works well! | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i put a comment about the log confguration | 18:18 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: cool! I'll add some ocumentation and a few todos I have annoted | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i did notice that the logs were getting populated in /opt/stack/logs by default, but i didnt find the stack.sh | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hence i put that comment | 18:19 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: alright, I will check and see | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its quite possible that i was looking through blurry eyes late in the night, and i might have missed it! :-) | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please add it if its required | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: and yeah, TODOs sounds good | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: can you or your team take a look at this devstack? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: my thinking is that we should build the NFP devstack (targeted for the summit) on top of this | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, igordcard started looking at this | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah, the GBP devstack plugin is ready | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | for the same to use it for nfp too | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | mean the same approach | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: are you asking if igordcard is looking at it, or are you saying that igordcard has already started looking at it? | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | i meant dhuldev who did the nfp devstack srcript is going to use igordcard patch to modify his script to follow the same approach | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: perfect | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Has there been any testing of this devstack plugin on CentOS yet? If not, I’ll try that. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: my estimate is that it should be a matter of just moving the scripts | 18:24 |
| igordcard | hemanthravi: it's probably only a change of 1 or 2 lines in the devstack plugin, to enable the additional nfp plugin and maybe some env vars | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no, and that would be awesome! | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yeah | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | igordcard, thanks | 18:24 |
| igordcard | hemanthravi: we can either merge the devstack plugin now and then you/others create a new one on top, or we can delay this a little a bit and incorporate everything in my current patch | 18:25 |
| hemanthravi | should we merge the nfp script into gbp plugin or keep it separate for now | 18:25 |
| hemanthravi | ? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: just to be totally clear, i have only tested GBP devstack till date only on Ubuntu | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: no, we first merge your patch | 18:25 |
| igordcard | rkukura: no, I've only tried in Ubuntu 14.04 with Liberty cloud archive and stable/mitaka devstack branch | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: lets keep the NFP devstack part outside the tree for now | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: our you could add it to your patch series | 18:26 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: same here | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *or | 18:26 |
| hemanthravi | ok | 18:26 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: about ubuntu | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: right | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: also, igordcard is reusing most of the scripts we already had for the GBP devstack we were installing earlier | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: he has put it into the right plugin hooks, so that we dont have to manually run those scripts and patch | 18:27 |
| igordcard | yes yes | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i say this to highlight that the scripts have mostly been already tested | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so there should not be any big alarms here, this is not a totally new devstack | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *devstack installation | 18:28 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: right - there was an edit needed with the old scripts for them to work on CentOS, so I’m hoping that will get resolved | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah ok | 18:28 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I just think maybe some testing should be done around customizing other variables in local.conf, that might be necessary for some reason, and seeing if the devstack plugin still works well | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks a ton for getting this done | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i would prefer to merge this first, and then add fixes in follow up patches if required | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | assuming everyone else in the team is on board with taht | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: will appreciate if you, songole, magesh can review/test this devstack plugin | 18:30 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: alright, I'll add basic doc on enabling the plugin today and then it will be ready to merge | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | will do | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since rkukura is testing on CentOS, i need one more core to do this on ubuntu | 18:31 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I'll also investigate the stack.sh log issue | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: nice! | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks again for the update, and all the work | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Design Summit Prep | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry this was not on the documented agends | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *agenda | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but since we have a little more time | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so regarding the workshop - i shared a high level script with the authors on the workshop | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i will share with you and others in the team as well, did not want to share it prematurely if there were going to be changes based on initial feedback | 18:33 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one of the things we really need to have heading into the summit is to beef up our devref documentation | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i requested igordcard to take a look a our existing specs and try to see if those can be massaged into devref documents | 18:34 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, started working on the service developer workflow - will try to get that done by tue | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a first pass, mu proposal, was to merely translate the content from the specs to corresponding docs | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: nice! | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but this is a general call to action to the entire team | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: would you be willing to coordinate this activity? | 18:35 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I don't know if I have enough time these next weeks to "coordinate" it, but I surely can port at least a part of the specs to devref | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: nice, any progress we can make here, helps | 18:37 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: I can keep in touch with the rest of the folks involved so each one can focus on specific parts | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: right, so if you can let us know which specs you are starting with, others can jump in as well | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: dont have to decide now | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: we can sync up offline on this | 18:38 |
| igordcard | yeah, but feel free to start first and tell me about it, as well | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: sure | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am guessing there wasnt much to discuss on the packaging topic, right? | 18:39 |
| rkukura | nothing noew | 18:39 |
| rkukura | new | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to release mitaka | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am just waiting to get feedback on the drivers, if they are working correctly | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else for today? | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks all for joining | 18:42 |
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| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:42 |
| hemanthravi | thanks, bye | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: and igordcard, i know its late for you, good night! | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:43 |
| igordcard | bye all | 18:43 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 18:43:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-07-18.03.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-07-18.03.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-07-18.03.log.html | 18:43 |
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| shamail | ping jproulx | 18:59 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 19:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 19:00 |
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| pfreund | Hello | 19:00 |
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| shamail | hi | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | evening | 19:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:00 |
| shamail | #topic roll call | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:00 | |
| shamail | Welcome everyone to the first Non-ATC recognition WG meeting. Can you please let us know if you're here to participate in this meeting? | 19:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | I am | 19:00 |
| pfreund | I am | 19:00 |
| shamail | Perfect, glad to see everyone! Let's get started with the first item on our agenda. | 19:01 |
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| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition#Meeting_Information is the agenda for today. | 19:01 |
| jproulx | hello | 19:01 |
| dabukalam | o/ | 19:01 |
| shamail | hi jproulx and dabukalam | 19:01 |
| shamail | #topic Review objective and what is "in scope" | 19:01 |
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| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:01 |
| maishsk | Good eveing all | 19:01 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition#Scope | 19:02 |
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| shamail | All of this information is available in the wiki but we thought it would be good to start the first meeting by covering the scope of this WG. | 19:02 |
| shamail | Whenever we discuss recognition, the conversation tends to move towards the "what" (e.g. what will be provided: summit tickets, association on summit badges, voting rights, etc.) but that is out of scope for our WG. | 19:02 |
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| shamail | The user committee will be defining a charter and that will include the benefits given to its constituency and, therefore, they will be addressing the "what". | 19:02 |
| shamail | We will be focusing on defining the "who" and "how": which community members should be recognized by the User Committee as its constituency and how will we check eligibility. | 19:02 |
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| shamail | Any questions or concerns about the scope? | 19:03 |
| emagana | hi all! | 19:03 |
| dc_mattj | hey edgar ! | 19:03 |
| shamail | hi emagana and noggin143 | 19:03 |
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| emagana | just joining but in another meeting as well... double booked for this time.. | 19:03 |
| jproulx | shamail good description of scope thanks, "who & how but not what" | 19:03 |
| noggin143 | agreed | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | yup, fully agree | 19:04 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:04 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:04 |
| shamail | Thanks. | 19:04 |
| shamail | Moving on then... | 19:04 |
| shamail | #topic Review milestones from wiki | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review milestones from wiki (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:04 | |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition#Milestones | 19:04 |
| shamail | Please take a moment to read/review the milestones that are defined on the wiki. We'll pause for a minute while everyone reads... | 19:04 |
| shamail | Any questions or concerns with the milestones? | 19:05 |
| * maishsk puts on his reading glasses | 19:05 | |
| shamail | Milestone 1 (create WG) has been completed and we are now working on milestone 2 (identify community members for constituency)... | 19:05 |
| MeganR | Milestone #6: Create a model of estimated costs - can you explain the anticipated costs? | 19:06 |
| shamail | In this phase, we need to identify all the various roles members in the community that we believe further the goals and objectives of the user committee. We will revisit the topic in more detail during our next topic (reviewing the ACC proposal). | 19:06 |
| dc_mattj | question shamail - how do members get differentiated like that ? I have to admit it's been a long time since I registered as a Foundation member .. | 19:06 |
| dc_mattj | is there something to self-identify now in the sign up process ? | 19:06 |
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| shamail | MeganR: good catch, milestone 6 was added to help determine the cost implications based on the number of constituents and planned benefits but that requires the “what” to be defined first | 19:07 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: one you register as foundation member - you are one for life | 19:07 |
| shamail | we might need to move that milestone into something that the UC has to determine (versus this WG) | 19:07 |
| pfreund | Are Ops part of ACC ? | 19:07 |
| maishsk | pfreund: define Ops? | 19:07 |
| shamail | We’ll get to that shortly, but yes, they kind of were… the ACC proposal is a starting point for us but we can make changes. | 19:08 |
| jproulx | pfreund: that's part of milestoen 2 which is in progress | 19:08 |
| pfreund | submit defects, confirm bugs | 19:08 |
| shamail | #topic Review ACC proposal from board meeting | 19:08 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/acc_plan_summary | 19:08 |
| pfreund | for me it's not the same profil for "organising meetups" | 19:08 |
| dc_mattj | I meant related to milestone 2, how you differentiate the different kind of community members | 19:08 |
| shamail | pfreund: +1 | 19:08 |
| maishsk | I concur | 19:08 |
| shamail | It is indeed dc_mattj | 19:08 |
| shamail | The ACC proposal is something we can review and then modify as needed based on group feedback | 19:09 |
| pfreund | Maybe it's only my vision, but I see code contributors (ATC), Community contributors (ACC) and Ops | 19:09 |
| shamail | The ACC proposal actually contains members and even metrics but those portions will be discussed in two separate milestones fo rus | 19:09 |
| shamail | I guess that is a broader question that we should clarify early on in milestone 2 | 19:09 |
| jproulx | I think a sub part of milestone 2 may be deciding how the different constituencies should be (want to be) grouped | 19:10 |
| shamail | Do we envision one recognition (e.g. ACC) for all roles that we identify or should we have differing recognition types based on roles? | 19:10 |
| shamail | read my mind jproulx | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | I suspect most folks doing any of those things from the ACC proposal are more than likely operators anyway - although I may be wrong | 19:10 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: In the ACC proposal, it mentions activities associated with operators, user group organizers, working group members, bug submitters, ops-meetup moderators, and creating OpenStack-related content that promotes knowledge sharing (not counting submissions to docs since that would qualify for ATC already) | 19:10 |
| maishsk | dc_mattj: they most probably are, but not exclusively | 19:11 |
| shamail | #action modify milestone 2 to also including grouping identified members | 19:11 |
| fungi | keep in mind that atc are not only contributing code (also documentation, translations, running servers for the community services, performing testing and quality assurance, release management, acting as gatekeepers for stable branches, doing security analysis and writing guidelines, et cetera) | 19:11 |
| maishsk | So the only one I have a slight issue with is mettup attendees - but then again - a topic for future discussions | 19:11 |
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| pfreund | In the french OpenStack user group, they are some none-technical people (so not Ops) who are actually participating to Community events. It can be business profiles for exemple. Si dc_mattj I don't afgree | 19:12 |
| shamail | Yeah, wanted to use today to get everyone on the same page with objectives/milestones/logistics and then dive into milestone 2 at the next meeting | 19:12 |
| shamail | or this meeting if time is left after the other topics | 19:12 |
| jproulx | shamail +1 | 19:12 |
| dc_mattj | good point pfreund, we have the same in the UK user groups | 19:12 |
| maishsk | @shamail agreed | 19:12 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:13 |
| shamail | So some background on ACC for everyone.. | 19:13 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:13 |
| shamail | aul and Lisa-Marie have been working on a proposal to gain recognition for the hard work that our community members do (run user group meetups, participate in working groups, file bugs, etc.) and this proposal was reviewed at the last board meeting. | 19:13 |
| shamail | Paul* | 19:13 |
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| maishsk | What was the feedback from the board meeting? | 19:13 |
| shamail | It was well received and the feedback was for our WG to work with them to build a common plan. | 19:14 |
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| maishsk | ;) | 19:14 |
| shamail | I think it is a great starting point and thank them for their (months of) effort. | 19:14 |
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| shamail | We can revisit different, relevant, sections of the ACC proposal during our milestones. | 19:14 |
| shamail | Any questions on the original ACC proposal? | 19:14 |
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| jproulx | Are the people involed with ACC here (or otherwise engaged)? | 19:15 |
| noggin143 | I feel the key is common. It is important not to announce one set of recognitions without the others, if they are felt to be different. | 19:15 |
| shamail | noggin143: +1 | 19:15 |
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| shamail | jproulx: they were invited, I don’t think they are on today but they are aware of this meeting | 19:15 |
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| jproulx | I'd hate to loose the thoughts behind the proposal as we go forward | 19:15 |
| shamail | I agree, I will reach out to them again | 19:15 |
| maishsk | I agree it would be great to have them involved | 19:16 |
| shamail | noggin143: I agree that we should build a common plan even if implementation is staggered (e.g. ops might get badge recognition in Austin since that was already in the works) | 19:16 |
| shamail | #topic Recap any other prior work | 19:17 |
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| shamail | good segue :) | 19:17 |
| jproulx | yes | 19:17 |
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| shamail | Does anyone know of other work being done inside the community that would align with our scope/objective? | 19:17 |
| jproulx | Well as you mentioned there's the OPs badges for AUS | 19:17 |
| shamail | jproulx and emagana: What is the user committee plan for ops-recognition in Austin? I had seen an email from Tom or Edgar on this topic a while ago | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: so just to double check, this is the same stuff that tom was talking to me about in Manchester with regards to ops recognition, or something different ? | 19:17 |
| maishsk | there is the ops-tag team | 19:18 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: this is different, I was telling you about the contributor awards in Manchester | 19:18 |
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| emagana | shamail: we will have Ops tag | 19:18 |
| shamail | maishsk: ops-tags-team isn’t working on recognition though | 19:18 |
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| noggin143 | what is the criteria for ops recognition in Austin ? | 19:18 |
| dc_mattj | ah ok shamail both worthwhile endeavours | 19:18 |
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| maishsk | shamail - that is correct | 19:18 |
| shamail | good question noggin143, we should capture that criteria somewhere as well as we begin our work | 19:19 |
| jproulx | I have the criteria in email (though also not 100% final) I'll see if I can find a reference | 19:19 |
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| maishsk | jproulx: that would be great | 19:19 |
| shamail | #action jproulx will share criteria used for ops recognition for the Austin summit | 19:19 |
| shamail | jproulx: Were you trying to find it right now or will you provide it at the next meeting? | 19:20 |
| jproulx | there's a git repo being set up for scripts related to this | 19:20 |
| jproulx | watch for it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302547/1 | 19:20 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302547/1 | 19:21 |
| jproulx | I'll take it as a todo for next meeting as it will require some clean up | 19:21 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:21 |
| shamail | Moving on to the next topic… | 19:21 |
| shamail | #topic Determine communication/collaboration methods | 19:21 |
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| shamail | We need to decide how we will be communicating between meetings and therefore need to identify a tag and mailing list to use. | 19:21 |
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| maishsk | how about [nonatc] | 19:22 |
| jproulx | +1 [nonatc] | 19:22 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:22 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:22 |
| jproulx | now which list | 19:22 |
| shamail | #startvote which mailing list should we use? uc, ops, community | 19:22 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: which mailing list should we use? Valid vote options are uc, ops, community. | 19:22 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:22 |
| dabukalam | #vote community | 19:22 |
| maishsk | #vote ops | 19:22 |
| shamail | #vote uc | 19:22 |
| pfreund | #vote uc | 19:23 |
| fungi | it would be nice if the group didn't indefinitely encode a name which identified itself as "not something else" | 19:23 |
| pfreund | ops is 50% | 19:23 |
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| emagana | #vote uc | 19:23 |
| noggin143 | fungi +1 - I would prefer a positive with recognition | 19:23 |
| dabukalam | fungi: I have to say, I agree | 19:23 |
| shamail | fungi: true, lol. | 19:23 |
| maishsk | @fungi point well made | 19:23 |
| noggin143 | #vote ops | 19:23 |
| shamail | any more votes? | 19:23 |
| pfreund | +1 fungi | 19:23 |
| fungi | ideally it should be a group defined as what it is, not as what it isn't | 19:23 |
| shamail | going once... | 19:23 |
| shamail | twice... | 19:23 |
| shamail | #endvote | 19:23 |
| openstack | Voted on "which mailing list should we use?" Results are | 19:23 |
| openstack | uc (3): shamail, pfreund, emagana | 19:23 |
| openstack | community (1): dabukalam | 19:24 |
| openstack | ops (2): noggin143, maishsk | 19:24 |
| jproulx | fungi noggin143 untill we have milestoen 2 done we've not decided what though | 19:24 |
| maishsk | uc it is | 19:24 |
| shamail | yep! | 19:24 |
| emagana | :-) | 19:24 |
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| noggin143 | that's fine by me too | 19:24 |
| pfreund | [recognition] ? | 19:24 |
| noggin143 | +1 [recognition] | 19:24 |
| maishsk | or [acc] | 19:24 |
| shamail | The challenge is that finding an identifer is hard for now since the only commonality so far is that all these contributors are not eligble for ATC based on critera | 19:24 |
| jproulx | I could get behind that | 19:24 |
| shamail | criteria* | 19:24 |
| shamail | +1 for [recognition] | 19:25 |
| jproulx | +1 [recognition] | 19:25 |
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| maishsk | +1 [recognition] as well | 19:25 |
| shamail | Awesome | 19:25 |
| jproulx | I think [acc] encodes a choice we haven't yet made | 19:25 |
| noggin143 | given that it's on the user committee list, it's clear what the recognition is for as well | 19:25 |
| shamail | #agree Non-ATC recognition WG will use user-committee with [recognition] for communication | 19:25 |
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| shamail | oops | 19:25 |
| shamail | #agree Non-ATC recognition WG will use user-committee mailing list with [recognition] for communication | 19:26 |
| shamail | What should we use for collaboration... some options that were raised are google docs, etherpads, a git repo. What does everyone think? | 19:26 |
| dc_mattj | etherpad | 19:26 |
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| maishsk | why a git repo? | 19:26 |
| shamail | jproulx and emagana: I was going to suggest creating an overall user-committee repository to eventually host things like the charter, etc. | 19:26 |
| maishsk | +1 for etherpad | 19:26 |
| dabukalam | dc_mattj: +1 etherpad makes sense | 19:26 |
| MeganR | +1 for etherpad | 19:26 |
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| jproulx | +1 for etherpad | 19:26 |
| pfreund | +1 etherpad | 19:26 |
| dc_mattj | sorry missed that last vote, was reviewing some anti-affinity checking code in python ;) | 19:26 |
| shamail | maishsk: It might not be the ideal collaboration method but we should eventually post our outcomes in a rendered format | 19:27 |
| dabukalam | trying to garner opinions from non-devs, a git repo isn't the way to go | 19:27 |
| dc_mattj | +1 for [recognition] anyway | 19:27 |
| maishsk | for collaboration - it is the Openstack way | 19:27 |
| noggin143 | +1 etherpad … the git repo makes it more difficult to take part for those we are wanting to recognise | 19:27 |
| shamail | #agree Materials to be shared with the team should be posted using etherpad | 19:27 |
| maishsk | and / or wiki? | 19:27 |
| maishsk | the only reason for that is becuase etherpads are impossible to find unless you have a direct link | 19:28 |
| shamail | maishsk: Yes, the wiki will be used to share outcomes and information… etherpads for items that we need to collaborate on | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | wiki is always good for info once it's fixed | 19:28 |
| maishsk | and they are not indexed on google | 19:28 |
| shamail | We will make sure to include etherpad links on the wiki | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | I mean the info is fixed, not the wiki ;) | 19:28 |
| maishsk | shamail: perfect | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:28 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:29 |
| shamail | Eventually, I’d like it if the user committee could setup a repository for maintaing information (WGs, charter, consitituency, etc) to closer emulate the TC | 19:29 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:29 |
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| shamail | outside of scope/needs of this WG but I would like to see one in the broader UC context | 19:29 |
| jproulx | shamail: I agree but that's out of scope for this group | 19:29 |
| shamail | Great! | 19:29 |
| shamail | That concludes the topics that were on the agenda | 19:30 |
| shamail | so we can dive in to milestone 2 | 19:30 |
| shamail | #topic roles recognized as user committee constituency | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roles recognized as user committee constituency (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:30 | |
| pfreund | fine | 19:30 |
| maishsk | I think the easiest one to start with is WG members | 19:30 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/acc_plan_summary | 19:30 |
| shamail | Agree maishsk | 19:30 |
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| shamail | ACC mentions tasks associated with operators, user group organizers, working group members, bug submitters, ops-meetup moderators, and creating OpenStack-related content that promotes knowledge sharing | 19:31 |
| shamail | Do we think these roles are good or do we see obvious gaps? | 19:31 |
| noggin143 | how is a WG member defined ? Is it just joining one IRC chat ? | 19:31 |
| shamail | bug submitters is a tough one in my mind | 19:31 |
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| maishsk | their activity is logged - due to participation in meetings (which I hope all of these are held in IRC) | 19:31 |
| shamail | noggin143: In ACC, they defined it as attending 10+ meetings | 19:31 |
| dc_mattj | the one gap I see is potentially people who answer questions on lists a lot | 19:31 |
| shamail | we will decide what metric makes sense in a future milestone | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | but then you get into the space of how effective answers are | 19:32 |
| noggin143 | shamail: OK, reasonable. | 19:32 |
| jproulx | noggin143 for OPs badge WG activity is being measured as attending at least 2 IRC meetings and saying 10 lines in the past 6 months | 19:32 |
| shamail | true dc_mattj | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | difficult to put metrics against | 19:32 |
| jproulx | though that's really very arbitrary becuase we needed something fast | 19:32 |
| emagana | shamail: Tom has recently added a repo for some of this staff | 19:32 |
| noggin143 | I think the bug submission should be for those which are accepted as valid. | 19:32 |
| shamail | Is there a dashboard for Ask OpenStack participation stats? | 19:32 |
| rstarmer | so you have to say a line to be considered here? | 19:33 |
| maishsk | emagana: link to this repo? | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | noggin143: +1 | 19:33 |
| rstarmer | I'l remember to do that more then :) | 19:33 |
| shamail | emagana: jproulx shared the link earlier… we’ll be keeping an eye on it | 19:33 |
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| dc_mattj | there's loads of people who think they've hit bugs when they clearly haven't googled | 19:33 |
| maishsk | rstarmer: that is active participation | 19:33 |
| rstarmer | :) | 19:33 |
| shamail | noggin143: +1 | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | hello rstarmer :) | 19:33 |
| noggin143 | I'd like to add some incentives around user stories for the product working group as well. | 19:34 |
| shamail | So we do we want keep bug submissions (criteria TBD) and add Ask OpenStack participation (criteria TBD)? | 19:34 |
| rstarmer | sorry I'm late | 19:34 |
| shamail | noggin143: generating user stories versus participating in the WG itself? | 19:34 |
| rstarmer | Is there a process for capturing user stories? I've seen some reference to confusion about the wishlist failure, but won't that just happen again? | 19:34 |
| shamail | right now, every user story has been submitted by people who also join the WG | 19:34 |
| rstarmer | I.e., if user stories become a contributions factor. | 19:34 |
| shamail | rstarmer: The Product WG is building a workflow for user stories but these are focused on multi-project, multi-release type things | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: I don't hang out too much on Ask OpenStack as the same questions get asked a million times. Although maybe we should be rewarding people who've got the patience to not tell people to google ;) | 19:35 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 19:35 |
| pfreund | shamail: Is there any metric in ask that says the question has been already answered ? | 19:35 |
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| jproulx | I think we need a high level statement we can compare all the details to | 19:35 |
| noggin143 | shamail: I'd like to expand the input beyond that. To be fair, people submitting user stories would almost certianly qualify on one of the other criteria also | 19:35 |
| shamail | noggin143: +1 and product-wg would welcome that | 19:36 |
| maishsk | noggin143: +1 | 19:36 |
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| rstarmer | pfreund: I think it has to be like on serverfault: "that's been answered elsewhere: <link>" | 19:36 |
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| pfreund | I don't know enough Ask to know what kind of metrics are usable | 19:36 |
| shamail | jproulx: can you expand? | 19:36 |
| shamail | details for what? | 19:36 |
| dc_mattj | there's certainly a bunch of people who answer questions on the ops list too, although perhaps they get covered by ops recognition | 19:36 |
| shamail | pfreund: I am in the same boat | 19:36 |
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| jproulx | we want to recognized "contibutors that improve openstack" | 19:37 |
| shamail | For now, let’s identify of activities/roles we would like to recognize… When we discuss metrics then we can rule out ones that don’t have the right statistics to determine eligibility | 19:37 |
| dc_mattj | last time I looked at Ask, it was endless questions of the 'I ran devstack and my networking doesn't work' calibre | 19:37 |
| jproulx | then if "people who provide product-wg user stories" improve openstack tehn they shoudl be included some how | 19:37 |
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| noggin143 | Also ex-uc members should be recognised for life :-) | 19:37 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1 | 19:38 |
| jproulx | noggin143 +1 :) | 19:38 |
| shamail | noggin143: :D I second that | 19:38 |
| rstarmer | jproulx: I agree, how do you also capture the individual "If only Nova did X" stories too? | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: +1, in principle folks who answer mailing list questions, however inane, should have some method for being recognised. I have no idea how you qualify or quantify that, but I think it's valid | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | maybe that's impossible, but it should be on the potential list | 19:39 |
| shamail | Recapping the list (without establishing criteria for eligibility): operators, user group organizers, working group members, bug submitters, ops-meetup moderators, creating OpenStack-related content that promotes knowledge sharing, Ask OpenStack contributors, user story contributors | 19:39 |
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| * dabukalam would say it's worth extending to people that answer on #openstack-dev as well, but nobody is insane enough to do that | 19:39 | |
| shamail | Does that capture our ideas so far? | 19:39 |
| noggin143 | dc_mattj: we can start with ask where it can be quantified, especially given the voting and then expand if we can find a way | 19:39 |
| pfreund | jproulx: for ATC, there is no difference between contributors that improve OpenStack, and people who don't | 19:39 |
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| rstarmer | shamail: yes I think that's the top of mind list | 19:39 |
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| maishsk | can I make a suggestion? Lets first collect all the potential contributors | 19:39 |
| jproulx | I think we should get this on etherpad then we can expand and refine | 19:40 |
| shamail | maishsk: thanks, that’s what I was hoping for as well | 19:40 |
| MeganR | jproulx +1 | 19:40 |
| shamail | I think we can leave the criteria conversation for a later milestone (and that might reduce our final list_ | 19:40 |
| jproulx | for now we should try and cast as broad a list as possible I think and refine from there | 19:40 |
| maishsk | so far we have WG members, user story writers, people who answer on Ask | 19:40 |
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| rstarmer | pfreund: that's part of the problem, you can become an ATC by fixing a typo in a python module that likely no-one will ever read, or in fixing a documentation bug that actually helps make it easier to run OpenStack. | 19:40 |
| dc_mattj | jproulx: +1, that's what I was also suggesting, brain dump the list then refine | 19:40 |
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| dabukalam | jproulx: +1 | 19:40 |
| maishsk | shamail: you got the moves !!! | 19:40 |
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| pfreund | rstarmer: I'm one of the fixing typo guy, because I have not choice today to be recognized ,) | 19:41 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recognition-roles | 19:41 |
| shamail | Should we also include people who present at user groups? | 19:42 |
| rstarmer | pfreund: I've done in the past, but haven't had bandwidth recently. But I've also re-written small sections of the docs to remove confusion (and had to go fix my typos before it got accepted :) | 19:42 |
| dabukalam | shamail: I thought about that earlier, the key problem is sales pitches | 19:42 |
| shamail | (again, I know this will be difficult to gather eligibility data but not worried about that yet) | 19:43 |
| dabukalam | yup, go ahead | 19:43 |
| shamail | dabukalam: good point | 19:43 |
| rstarmer | shamail: dabukalam: sales pitches are likely the biggest issue, but at the same time, if the pitch enables someone to deploy OpenStack, or need to deploy OpenStack where they wouldn't have, then that's good for the community too. | 19:43 |
| shamail | Do spec contributions to projects directly normally qualify for ATC? They are in the same repo right? | 19:43 |
| shamail | as the project* | 19:43 |
| dabukalam | rstarmer: there is a bit of that, but you don't want to encourage salespeople to run around from meetup to meetup trying to hit 10 pitches a cycle as well, needs more thought | 19:44 |
| shamail | This list looks pretty good so far... | 19:44 |
| rstarmer | shamail: I've never seen the filter, but I would imagine if it's in the repo, you get "XX" lines commited to project "YY" | 19:44 |
| shamail | Let’s continue to work on it through next week and revisit the etherpad next Thursday | 19:45 |
| shamail | rstarmer: I agree, that’s why I think that would count as ATC already | 19:45 |
| shamail | alright, another topic related to milestone 2 | 19:45 |
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| shamail | #topic grouping of roles: single or multiple recognition titles | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grouping of roles: single or multiple recognition titles (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:45 | |
| shamail | As we develop this list… do we anticipate everyone have a single designation or do we think different designations should be given based on roles (to be defined) | 19:46 |
| shamail | Do we have one group that is the UC constituency or multiple groups inside it? | 19:46 |
| jproulx | I think we shoudl get the full list before we start chopping it up | 19:46 |
| dc_mattj | I think there's a difference | 19:47 |
| maishsk | This could be a doubled edged sword - spreading out too wide and too far might be difficult - but ont he other hand - it might leave some participants out of the loop or group together groups which contibute in different ways | 19:47 |
| dc_mattj | some of this also crosses over into OpenStack Ambassador territory though right ? | 19:47 |
| shamail | jproulx: fair point | 19:47 |
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| rstarmer | Shamail: I think a single designation, unless someone is going to break ATC down as well, and I think additional designations just increase the complexity of figuring out if you get a mark or not. | 19:48 |
| shamail | It does indeed dc_mattj | 19:48 |
| maishsk | rstarmer: competely agree | 19:48 |
| shamail | A better question for now (until we have a full list) is whether we even think multiple designations is something we want to pursue? | 19:48 |
| jproulx | rstarmer: that's my initial feeling as well | 19:48 |
| shamail | So far it seems like most people are saying one designation is good enough | 19:49 |
| shamail | rstarmer: +1 | 19:49 |
| maishsk | shamail: I would say one designation - not multiple | 19:49 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: so I think it will depend on pruning of the full list, I don't think we can know that without doing that task first | 19:49 |
| rstarmer | shamail: I still think not. One designation, as an alternative to ATC. Either you're a developer or your a "we are those who enable OpenStack in the greater world" | 19:49 |
| shamail | Okay, let’s defer this to next week’s meeting | 19:49 |
| shamail | well put rstarmer | 19:49 |
| shamail | Alright, that’s all the agenda items for today! | 19:50 |
| shamail | #topic open | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:50 | |
| rstarmer | "We make OpenStack (ATC) or We help you use OpenStack (OTC)" | 19:50 |
| dc_mattj | good meeting :) | 19:50 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:50 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:50 |
| rstarmer | Quite, looking forward to being on time next time :) | 19:50 |
| rstarmer | +1 | 19:50 |
| jproulx | that felt shockingly productive for a 1st meeting | 19:50 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:50 |
| shamail | I can imagine the metrics/eligibility criteria milestone will be a fun one! | 19:50 |
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| jproulx | no doubt | 19:51 |
| jproulx | thanks all | 19:51 |
| shamail | Agreed jproulx, we made good progress today | 19:51 |
| pfreund | thanks :) | 19:51 |
| shamail | Thank you everyone! We’ll end the meeting a bit earlier if there are no other topics | 19:51 |
| MeganR | thank you for putting this together! | 19:51 |
| dabukalam | thanks | 19:51 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 19:51:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-07-19.00.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-07-19.00.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-07-19.00.log.html | 19:51 |
| pfreund | next meeting is Austin ? | 19:51 |
| maishsk | Thanks shamail | 19:51 |
| shamail | it’s next Thursday (April 14th) | 19:52 |
| shamail | Thanks maishsk | 19:52 |
| shamail | We should definitely meet in Austin too | 19:52 |
| pfreund | of course | 19:52 |
| shamail | There is a ops meetup session called “ops recognition: what is it” led by emagana | 19:52 |
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| shamail | we should use that session to have conversations as well | 19:52 |
| * maishsk will not be attending Austin #sad #panda | 19:52 | |
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| shamail | sorry to hear that maishsk | 19:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting OpsGuide | 21:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 21:35:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpsGuide)" | 21:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'opsguide' | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi | 21:35 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello there~! | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the ops guide/arch guide specialty team meeting | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | ? | 21:35 |
| DevonBoatwright | Me | 21:35 |
| DevonBoatwright | :) | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 21:35 |
| njohnston | o/ <- but only partially | 21:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Vic won't be joining us today | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright well it will be a light meeting then | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic reviews in progress | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews in progress (Meeting topic: OpsGuide)" | 21:37 | |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293123/ | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298284/ | 21:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sorry ignore that last link | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | the other 2 | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic ops guide | 21:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops guide (Meeting topic: OpsGuide)" | 21:39 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273871/ | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288649/ | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | so rst conversion is in progress | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | look at those patches when/if you get a chance | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | for reference #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-March/008334.html | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | open reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/operations-guide,n,z | 21:41 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I think maybe we're the only two left here? | 21:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | gmmmm | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | hmmm | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright well i will post updates for our group | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | you and i can maybe sit together tomorrow and work on some of this stuff | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think we can adjourn the meeting | 21:46 |
| DevonBoatwright | Sounds good to me! | 21:47 |
| DevonBoatwright | To ajourning the meeting and to sitting with you and working on some of thise stuff | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 21:47:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks Devon! | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | bye! | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/opsguide/2016/opsguide.2016-04-07-21.35.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/opsguide/2016/opsguide.2016-04-07-21.35.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/opsguide/2016/opsguide.2016-04-07-21.35.log.html | 21:48 |
| DevonBoatwright | See ya! | 21:48 |
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