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| sc` | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 16:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| sc` | good morning/afternoon | 16:01 |
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| sc` | there isn't much to go over this week. the queue is backing up a bit with some of the last patches needed to branch stable/mitaka | 16:05 |
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| sc` | of course, austin is next week. i'll be flying in this weekend | 16:06 |
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| sc` | i validated the bare metal aio doc that was included in the liberty release cycle using mitaka packages and cookbooks. i'll be revising it and getting a review up to get that in mitaka | 16:08 |
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| sc` | going to call it | 16:21 |
| sc` | it goes without saying, next week's meeting is cancelled | 16:21 |
| sc` | see you in austin! | 16:21 |
| sc` | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 16:21:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-18-16.00.html | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-18-16.00.txt | 16:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-04-18-16.00.log.html | 16:21 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 17:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | hey everyone | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | \o | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | as always, we have an agenda: | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| jroll | light today :) | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| alineb | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | <rama_y> o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #chair NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | week before summit | 17:00 |
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| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | so | 17:01 |
| jroll | one week til summit | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | I expect everyone will be busy preparing | 17:01 |
| godp1301 | \o | 17:01 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| * NobodyCam can't wait to see everyone who is going in actual physical form | 17:01 | |
| jroll | our design summit schedule is here: | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=ironic%3A | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | please do read through things and prepare for the sessions | 17:01 |
| jroll | I'll be fleshing out etherpads a bit more this week | 17:01 |
| jroll | in other news, our gate is pretty hosed right now, a couple people are digging on it a bit | 17:02 |
| * jroll finds bug link | 17:02 | |
| rloo | would be good if the etherpads included links to specs that we could look at before next week | 17:02 |
| jroll | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1571492 | 17:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1571492 in Ironic "gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ssh-dib failing : test_baremetal_server_ops ssh timeout" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:02 |
| jroll | rloo++ I will be adding those | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | we could make a list in the planning etherpad | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-summit | 17:03 |
| rloo | thx jroll. esp if the specs don't exist yet ;) | 17:03 |
| jroll | krtaylor: well, I moved that content into the individual etherpads | 17:03 |
| jroll | so I'd prefer the specs there | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | jroll, sure, understood | 17:03 |
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| jroll | and I'll blow away the planning pad as well with links to individual etherpads and other info | 17:03 |
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| rloo | ++ for specs in the individual specs. that way all the info will be there about a particular session | 17:03 |
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| rloo | jroll: i think it is good to keep the planning pad around, for historical reasons? | 17:04 |
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| jroll | rloo: maybe? I guess I can push it down | 17:04 |
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| jroll | etherpad does have history, too | 17:04 |
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| rloo | jroll: yeah, as long as the etherpad isn't deleted, right? | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, I'd only delete the content, not the etherpad itself | 17:05 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, sorry, ok if you're only deleting the content :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | cool | 17:06 |
| jroll | one last thing here, I'm considering releasing a new ironic version this week, any opposition? | 17:06 |
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| jroll | I want to get us into the habit of more frequent releases | 17:06 |
| jroll | and there's some good stuff in there I'd like to get out to users | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Should we set a goal for more frequent releases? Every X weeks? | 17:07 |
| rloo | i'm fine with releasing as long as it before Wed. In case releasing later and something breaks and 'no one' is around... | 17:07 |
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| lucasagomes | release early, release often :-) | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: ++++ | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: yep | 17:07 |
| devananda | jroll: minor or point release? | 17:07 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I'll think on it :) | 17:07 |
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| jroll | devananda: it'll be major, some deprecated things were removed | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: is there a complete list? | 17:08 |
| mat128 | NobodyCam: release notes :) | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | :p | 17:08 |
| rloo | so removing deprecated things always == major release? | 17:08 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: yep, http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/ironic/current-series.html | 17:08 |
| devananda | jroll: wait, 6.0 ? | 17:08 |
| jroll | detailed list: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commits/master | 17:08 |
| jroll | devananda: yes | 17:08 |
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| * devananda takes a look at 5.1..current | 17:09 | |
| jroll | rloo: removing a config is typically a major release afaik | 17:09 |
| jroll | as it will break if folks have not updated per the deprecation notice | 17:09 |
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| jroll | devananda: do you have concerns with releasing 6.0.0? | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: oh. yuck. in that case, for future, we should get in the habit of removing whatever in one release instead of spreading across several releases in the same dev cycle | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: just the two [agent] items removed it I read that correctly | 17:10 |
| jroll | rloo: why? | 17:10 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: yes | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: i dunno. cuz a major release seems major. | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: it shouldn't, though, the whole idea is that releasing is a normal thing | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: and 'just' to have a major release cuz we removed 2 configs. | 17:11 |
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| mat128 | rloo: there's no point in waiting for most stuff (and more risk) between "major" releases | 17:11 |
| JayF | I mean, flipping the major version number should mean exactly 1 thing: "operator, read some release notes before deploying this" | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: seems easier for the operators, to do the legwork/checks for one release with 'all' removed things. | 17:12 |
| JayF | I don't think there's any point in bundling more into a release or avoiding major releases | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: then they can follow stable channels | 17:12 |
| JayF | ++ | 17:12 |
| jroll | an operator should always read the release notes | 17:12 |
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| rloo | i'm not an operator, it was just a thought :) | 17:12 |
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| sambetts | I assume we wouldn't be maintaining stable for every major release?, so we'd have essentially a Ironic LTS release? | 17:13 |
| devananda | I do not see anything jumping out of the output of "git log HEAD ^5.1.0 --no-merges" which would require a significant upgrade -- aside from those two config options | 17:13 |
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| jroll | sambetts: correct | 17:13 |
| JayF | sambetts: aiui we only have stable branches along the 6m releases | 17:13 |
| jroll | devananda: correct | 17:13 |
| jroll | right, what jay said | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, right, stable ones follow the openstack rules | 17:14 |
| rloo | I'm not against releasing often, i'm just thinking that if a major release is needed any time we remove something that has been deprecated, it would be nice to remove whatever we want to remove, in the same major release (of a development cycle). that's all. | 17:14 |
| devananda | I agree with rloo, fwiw | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | just a question | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | are we going to be removing anything else later this cycle? | 17:14 |
| jroll | with my ops hat on, I disagree. I'd rather have one or two things to check per deploy, than a laundry list every 3-6 months | 17:14 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: probably | 17:15 |
| mat128 | ++ | 17:15 |
| * JayF agree with jroll | 17:15 | |
| jroll | proposal: release 6.0.0 now, and pose the question for the future on the ML? | 17:15 |
| * NobodyCam just may want ot avoid jump several major rev # in a single cycle ... | 17:15 | |
| jroll | s/now/when our gate is unbusted/ | 17:15 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: why? it's just a number. | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | true | 17:16 |
| rloo | oh, yeah, i'm good with releasing 6.0.0 as long as it is early this week. | 17:16 |
| sambetts | Deprecation period for stuff would still be a whole cycle right? or would it then be 6 months from when the deprecation merged? | 17:16 |
| jroll | same deprecation rules as openstack official policy: over a cycle boundary AND at least 3 months | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, IMHO cycle, to follow OpenStack | 17:16 |
| jroll | we'll likely always follow that | 17:16 |
| devananda | I'm fine with dropping 6.0.0 soon, with the understanding that Newton-final might end up being based on not-6.x (it could be 10.x, who knows) | 17:17 |
| jroll | https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commits/master | 17:17 |
| jroll | devananda: yep, that's my assumption | 17:17 |
| devananda | however, I also don't think that signalling to operators 5.1.x -> 6.0.0 as a major upgrade is the right message. there are no "major" changes in here | 17:17 |
| NobodyCam | ya, I am good with dropping to. | 17:17 |
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| devananda | it's too late -- we dropped two CONF options, so it is a major upgrade | 17:17 |
| devananda | but in the future, I'd like to batch up the deletion of planned removals a bit better | 17:18 |
| jroll | devananda: yep, dropping configs is always a major upgrade | 17:18 |
| rloo | unless we want to roll back the CONF options removal? | 17:18 |
| devananda | but anyhow, that is a topic for ML or summit | 17:18 |
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| jroll | let's not revert things | 17:18 |
| jroll | for the sake of a number | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 on batching the removal's :) | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | oh ya let NOT revert | 17:18 |
| godp1301 | let's not revert things++ | 17:18 |
| rloo | jroll; that's fine. no revert. will the release notes indicate that there are no major changes, but major release cuz of config options. in the 'prelude' part I guess? | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: I don't know yet | 17:19 |
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| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:20 |
| jroll | major versions designate "we broke a thing", not "we shipped a major feature" | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah batch such changes up seems fine, we can perhaps use the first release of the cycle as the release to remove all the deprecated configs from the previous cycles | 17:20 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I think that would be good | 17:20 |
| jroll | I still disagree that batching deprecation drops is 'better', but I'll save that for email | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes ya with a single clear note saying this is what being removed ++ | 17:20 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 17:21 |
| jroll | okay, shall we move on? | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | +1 to move on | 17:21 |
| godp1301 | \o/ | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | +1 | 17:21 |
| jroll | any other announcements/reminders? | 17:21 |
| jroll | moving on | 17:22 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:22 | |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:23 |
| jroll | starts at line 80 | 17:23 |
| jroll | sorry, lost that tab for a moment :P | 17:23 |
| jroll | I'll give folks a few minutes to review | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: is the critical bug the gate breakage? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:24 |
| jroll | yes | 17:24 |
| jroll | by the way, huge thanks to dtantsur for doing bug triage, I don't thank you enough for that | 17:25 |
| rloo | ++++ definitely thx dtantsur | 17:25 |
| jroll | and also big thanks to rloo for sending the subteam reports over email weekly and cleaning the agenda | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | =^_^= | 17:25 |
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| rloo | :) | 17:26 |
| JayF | We do have a new patch up re: Nova stuff, to fix a longstanding bug in the nova driver | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt network isolation. Not sure I'll have time this week but if I do -- do you think the code is ready to go in, just needs reviews? | 17:26 |
| JayF | it's not linked in the report so going to find and link here | 17:26 |
| jroll | rloo: I didn't get to review it last week, but I believe so (and the CI is green!) | 17:26 |
| * lucasagomes waits for the nova link | 17:27 | |
| rloo | jroll: good to know. I'll try to find some time. | 17:27 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:27 |
| JayF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306670/ is a fix for Bug 1503453, longstanding in the nova driver | 17:27 |
| openstack | bug 1503453 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "unavailable ironic nodes being scheduled to" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503453 - Assigned to Jesse J. Cook (jesse-j-cook) | 17:27 |
| JayF | reviews appreciated | 17:27 |
| vdrok | one more bug, one more nova change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306010/ :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | oh, is it the problem we've experienced in tripleo? | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | I mean, the double instance assignment | 17:28 |
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| jroll | JayF: ^^ | 17:31 |
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| JayF | dtantsur: I'm not sure; I think this is for another case | 17:31 |
| JayF | dtantsur: this is where a node is in some state, like deploy failed or maintenance, where it'd usually show up as 0 resources available, but because of $failures, the instnace_uuid can get left on and readded | 17:32 |
| jroll | should I go ahead and open discussion? | 17:32 |
| JayF | dtantsur: I reccomend reading the bug as it is complex and a pita :) | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | sure, thanks | 17:32 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:32 |
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| jroll | anyone got anything? | 17:32 |
| JayF | If anyone is going to the summit and wants to be a part of informal meetups for dinner/drinks/etc, if you put your info here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-summit-arrivals it'll make organizing a lot easier :) | 17:33 |
| JayF | I'll put all names there into a group hangout chat before the summit so we have a place to coordinate | 17:33 |
| rloo | thx JayF. I thought krtaylor had offered to help organize something cuz he is local. | 17:33 |
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| jroll | ^ a note on that: group hangout gets spammy as heck, join at your own risk (I promise it's fun though) | 17:33 |
| JayF | rloo: I'm not organizing anything except getting all the hangouts usernames + arrival times in oneplace | 17:33 |
| JayF | jroll: well also, with hangouts, you can mute a single group conversation :) part of why it's a good medium | 17:34 |
| rloo | JayF: would it be useful to add a column for evening availability for a dinner or something? | 17:34 |
| thiagop | maybe krotscheck can help choose the barbecue place | 17:34 |
| JayF | rloo: *shrug*. It's an etherpad, you're welcome to modify if you think it's helpful :) | 17:34 |
| JayF | I just wanted ot make sure nobody got left out of the group hangout | 17:34 |
| krotscheck | Dependso n whether you want to wait in line or not. | 17:34 |
| rloo | or maybe we'll play by ear. i am not volunteering. | 17:34 |
| JayF | just b/c they were new, or from a different timezone, or whatever | 17:34 |
| krotscheck | SEc, lemme find the good one. | 17:34 |
| thiagop | krotscheck: sorry, krtaylor | 17:34 |
| jroll | the one with the line is franklin's :P | 17:35 |
| NobodyCam | krotscheck: I hear you can play folks to wait in line for you | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, oh I heard about this franklin's. That's the bbq place that people starting queue at 8am right? | 17:35 |
| jroll | so if there's no meeting topics here, let's talk about food back in the main channel so I can get up and get a drink :P | 17:35 |
| * NobodyCam luv's allthings BBQ | 17:35 | |
| jroll | lucasagomes: probably closer to 6am :P | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | gosh heh | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | I was looking at a coupleof places with good food/beer | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | we need a placeholder there then :-D | 17:36 |
| * TheJulia has this feeling lots of heartburn will be scheduled for next week | 17:36 | |
| TheJulia | due to food | 17:36 |
| jroll | I'd skip the keynotes and wait it out monday, but they're closed mondays :/ | 17:36 |
| jroll | anyway, thanks for a good meeting y'all | 17:36 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 17:36:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-18-17.00.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-18-17.00.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-04-18-17.00.log.html | 17:36 |
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