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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 14:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| mionkin | hi | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hi | 14:01 |
| huichun | hello | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 14:02 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| tmckay | here | 14:02 |
| elmiko | sorta here... | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| vgridnev | what is new folks? | 14:03 |
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| crobertsrh | Mostly just reviews for me recently. | 14:03 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | I prepared several points for discussions on summit, also did some research of how to enable kerberos on ambari clusters | 14:03 |
| esikachev | i am working on fixing sahara-ci and update sahara-scenario framework | 14:04 |
| crobertsrh | I'll be working on the etherpad for the summit UI session "soon" | 14:04 |
| elmiko | not much new to report here, working on presentation for summit | 14:04 |
| huichun | Focus on review patches | 14:04 |
| tosky | fixes on sahara-tests | 14:04 |
| Poornima | Was facing issues with API V1 (dev instance) sorted those with help of elmiko++ | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | also, seems we will have another release of sahara tests soon | 14:04 |
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| egafford | Trying to get a working demo actually building a working image using the validate images spi in reconcile=True mode. May get that before summit; we'll see. Regardless I should have some good examples and how-tos ready. :) | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | ok, seems that everyone are preparing to the summit, that is good | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | some talk preparation and mostly other internal stuff for me | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | #topic Fill in empty liaison positions https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fill in empty liaison positions https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| vgridnev | ok, then | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | We need to fill our cross project liaisons. | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Current positions: | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Oslo - TODO | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Release Management - vgridnev | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | QA - tosky | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Docs - crobertsrh | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Stable Branch - TODO (I can take that for sure) | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | VM management - elmiko | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | LOG working group - TODO | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Infra - SergeyLukjanov | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | Product WG - egafford | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | I18N - TODO | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | CP Specs - elmiko | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | We need to fill our cross project liaisons. Current positions: | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | so, places with TODO should be replaced by someone | 14:07 |
| egafford | I can take logging. | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I can take i18n | 14:07 |
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| egafford | (And Oslo if no one else wants it, but logging is weirdly important to me.) | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | for me, I can take release management, and stable branch handling, also will try to help elmiko with VM (if needed) | 14:08 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: help with CP would be good too | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | yep, elmiko, missed that | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | do we want to have several liaisons for docs? | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev | docs is the place, that should be improved for us, I think | 14:10 |
| crobertsrh | I think it might be a fine idea | 14:10 |
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| mionkin | ok, I can help with docs | 14:12 |
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| vgridnev | mionkin, thanks | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | anyone except egafford wants to take oslo? | 14:13 |
| huichun | vgridnev: i can take a look | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | Ok, seems that final list is: | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Oslo - huichun, egafford | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Release Management - vgridnev | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | QA - tosky | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Docs - crobertsrh, mionkin | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Stable Branch - vgridnev | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | VM management - elmiko, vgridnev | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | LOG working group - egafford | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Infra - SergeyLukjanov | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | Product WG - egafford | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | I18N - NikitaKonovalov | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | CP Specs - elmiko, vgridnev | 14:15 |
| egafford | vgridnev: +1; lots of meetings to start attending. \o/ ? | 14:16 |
| elmiko | hehe | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | if no objections, I will update wiki right after the meeting | 14:16 |
| crobertsrh | no objection here | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | egafford, yep | 14:16 |
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| vgridnev | for note of cp liaisons: | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | ok, going to the next | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API v2 progress (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:18 | |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | how is it going? | 14:19 |
| elmiko | some things in the works for apiv2, but not much to report currently | 14:19 |
| elmiko | we have a few other red hatters putting together reivews | 14:19 |
| elmiko | and i am working on specs | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks elmiko | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics and schedule preparing | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton summit topics and schedule preparing (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | so, we have chairs for almost all sessions, except for the tests | 14:21 |
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| egafford | (If anyone has any thoughts or features for EDP, please do let me know so we can put it on the agenda. Thanks!) | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | egafford, I guess that NikitaKonovalov has some | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | i've added some topics to discuss about security and apiv2 | 14:22 |
| crobertsrh | Definitely add topics for UI improvement (vgridnev already has added some) | 14:22 |
| vgridnev | should we take some materials from the last summit to this etherpads? | 14:23 |
| crobertsrh | Possibly. I plan to go back over the old etherpads | 14:25 |
| crobertsrh | I'll pull over anything that hasn't been done [that still makes sense] | 14:25 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, egafford, NikitaKonovalov, are you folks going to the tests sections? I think definitely should cover how to test new API v2, and image building, I think that someone from you should lead the session | 14:26 |
| egafford | vgridnev: I'm in all the Sahara design sessions, yeah (no presentations this summit; very freeing.) | 14:26 |
| huichun | egafford i have one for edp | 14:27 |
| huichun | https://github.com/spotify/luigi | 14:27 |
| huichun | To add one engine in Newton | 14:27 |
| tosky | always funny for me, that module, but yeah :) | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | for future sessions leads, there is a short video with best practices of session moderation | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | #link https://youtu.be/M4cDyM2s2bc | 14:28 |
| egafford | vgridnev: I can take test if no one else wants it; I'll want to sync up with tosky and esikachev a lot, but that can happen. | 14:28 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Ack; thanks for that! | 14:29 |
| tosky | egafford: sure, I can do the briefing | 14:29 |
| tosky | for API v2, it's simple: extend the tempest tests we have in sahara-tests | 14:30 |
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| esikachev | good | 14:30 |
| elmiko | tosky: +1 | 14:31 |
| elmiko | eventually, we will extend saharaclient to use v2 and all the tests should just work (TM) ;) | 14:31 |
| tosky | elmiko: ehm, no | 14:31 |
| tosky | elmiko: you need to extend the tempest clients as well | 14:32 |
| elmiko | ah, ok. do the tempest calls use the rest directly? | 14:32 |
| tosky | saharaclient is good and needed for the scenario tests | 14:32 |
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| tosky | tempest provides its own set of clients for better debugging and more detailed testing | 14:32 |
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| elmiko | tosky: so, we will need to create a tempest client that speaks to v2 then? | 14:35 |
| tosky | elmiko: yes, that too | 14:35 |
| elmiko | ack, noted | 14:35 |
| tosky | the current one is here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/services/data_processing/v1_1/data_processing_client.py | 14:36 |
| tosky | it's not clear if also the client service should be moved to sahara-tests or not, but anyway, regardless of its location, that's the idea | 14:36 |
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| vgridnev | anything additional that we should cover in this topic? | 14:38 |
| elmiko | great, as we move in on having the experimental part of v2, we should create another set of requirements for the testing work, and completion of saharaclient | 14:38 |
| elmiko | i think i'm all set | 14:39 |
| vgridnev | #topic Meeting schedule | 14:39 |
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| vgridnev | ok, are we going to have next two meetings? | 14:40 |
| crobertsrh | -1 | 14:40 |
| elmiko | definitely no meeting next week | 14:40 |
| elmiko | and meeting after summit has usually been an off week, i see no reason to break with that tradition ;) | 14:40 |
| crobertsrh | Historically, we skip the week after summit as well | 14:40 |
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| vgridnev | #info Next two meetings are decided to be skipped | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | will send to ML additionally | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:42 | |
| vgridnev | so, anything else discuss? | 14:44 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:44 |
| huichun | Nothing from me | 14:44 |
| egafford | Nothing here. | 14:44 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me | 14:44 |
| elmiko | sold! | 14:44 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks for attending | 14:45 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 14:45:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-21-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-21-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-21-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| huichun | bye | 14:45 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:46 |
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| esikachev | bye | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| pmath | o/ | 15:00 |
| janzian | o/ | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 15:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mlavalle tidwellr_ | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr_ | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:01 |
| tidwellr_ | hi | 15:02 |
| vikram | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | Looking forward to see you all next week in Austin! | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | We will not have this meeting next week | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | We will resume at the same tine on May 5th | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Other annoucements from the team? | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | If not, let's dive in... | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| mlavalle | We gained 1 bug this week, but it seems its solution is shared with another bug... | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | first up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell) | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Since there are 3 related patchsets to this bug, I added a note last night pointing to the 2 fixes under review in Gerrit | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr_: any comments? | 15:06 |
| tidwellr_ | thanks for doing that | 15:06 |
| tidwellr_ | there are still 1 or 2 unit tests that I'm working through | 15:07 |
| tidwellr_ | the unit test changes are in the first patch, the next 2 in the chain should be ready to go as soon as this get ironed out | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:09 |
| tidwellr_ | no, nothing else | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | Great work tidwellr_ | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1572474 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1572474 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Deadlock on simultaneous update subnet and ip allocation from subnet" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | This one was added yesterday by pavel_bondar. It seems that the fix to the bug we reviewed previously will fix this one | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: is that correct? | 15:10 |
| tidwellr_ | interesting | 15:10 |
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| pavel_bondar | yeah, tidwellr_fix will fix it entirely | 15:10 |
| pavel_bondar | because of removing availability ranges | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | yay! | 15:11 |
| tidwellr_ | I'm now on the hook for 2 of these bugs, now I'm really scrambling :) | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | but additionally to that I plan to upload for review backportable version of the fix for it | 15:11 |
| tidwellr_ | pavel_bondar: that would be good, what I'm doing is not backportable :) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | thanks for that pavel_bondar ! | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar is a busy man today :-) | 15:13 |
| pavel_bondar | :) | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | there is a partial fix for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984/ | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | has one +2 | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: does it need to be rebased? | 15:14 |
| pavel_bondar | mlavalle: may be | 15:15 |
| pavel_bondar | but as I see it is not in merge conflict state | 15:15 |
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| pavel_bondar | so may be ok | 15:15 |
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| pavel_bondar | and another part of fix to cover SLAAC allocations is still in my todo | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | If it isn't in merge conflict, don't rebase. | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | any more comments? | 15:17 |
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| pavel_bondar | here is one nit, so probably I'll rebase and address nit | 15:17 |
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| pavel_bondar | for 300984 | 15:18 |
| pavel_bondar | that it for this one | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: ping me when you do. | 15:18 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: sure | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | The last one in the list this week is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566383 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566383 in neutron "The creation fip does not endure restarting of l3-agent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | This one is assigned to haleyb, but he might be off this week | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | per his comments in the bug | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | any other comments from the team? | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team? | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | ok, we are done with bugs this week | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:22 | |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | For me, things are progressing again. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | My patches now create a service plugin. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Yesterday, I made a little more progress on the subnet - segment association and I plan to move on to finishing up the IPAM changes. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | ... along with deferred IP allocation and implementing the port without IP address BP. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | But, I now have to get to summit prep stuff that I've been putting off. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything from you, mlavalle ? Or, anyone else? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I am working on the SR-IOV mechanism driver | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | The idea is for it to have the same interface as the other in-tree agent based mechanism drivers | 15:26 |
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| tidwellr_ | mlavalle: I'll hunt you down next week, I'm curious about that | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | With that, we will be able to call all of them in a uniform manner in the host segments mapping | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | and on the Nova side, we have a conversation pending with jaypipes | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I made sure he is aware of the latest revision to the spec | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr_: sure :-) | 15:28 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle, dansmith, carl_baldwin: can we do that conversation today at 1pm EST? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: I am fine at that time | 15:29 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I dunno, is your tennis outfit clean? | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yup. | 15:29 |
| dansmith | then yes | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: mlavalle at gmail? | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | that should work | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | that's it from me for routed networks | 15:31 |
| jaypipes | carl_baldwin, dansmith, mlavalle: invite sent. | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes, dansmith: thanks! | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | ok moving on... | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| tidwellr_ | hi | 15:33 |
| vikram | hi | 15:33 |
| vikram | New repo is finally UP ;) | 15:33 |
| vikram | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-dynamic-routing | 15:33 |
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| tidwellr_ | nice, I didn't realize that | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:33 |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: i think it is a surprise | 15:33 |
| tidwellr_ | I was going to say I had nothing to add today, but I'm going to take a look and see what it takes to begin moving code | 15:34 |
| vikram | Na_Zhu: ;) | 15:34 |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: i see the new repo does not include neutronclient code | 15:34 |
| vikram | tidwellr_: We need a solid plan for moving the things fater | 15:34 |
| vikram | *faster | 15:34 |
| vikram | Na_Zhu: It needs lot of work | 15:35 |
| vikram | Na_Zhu: It just created with previous commits | 15:35 |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: i can help you, i am doing that part | 15:35 |
| vikram | Na_Zhu: It will fail miserably | 15:35 |
| tidwellr_ | yes, I hope to catch up with mickeys next week and talk about some things | 15:35 |
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| vikram | tidwellr_: +1 | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr_: that would be good | 15:36 |
| vikram | tidwellr_: Let's have a plan and distribute the work | 15:36 |
| mickeys | Yes, I will be in Austin and we should catch up! | 15:36 |
| vikram | tidwellr_: We need to do a lot | 15:36 |
| tidwellr_ | mickeys: I'd love to, preferred email? | 15:36 |
| vikram | thanks for your support Na_Zhu | 15:36 |
| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: mickeys has proposal about adding bgp evpn, but first of all, we have to make the moving work done | 15:37 |
| mickeys | emspiege@us.ibm.com | 15:37 |
| vikram | i will miss you guy's ;( | 15:37 |
| vikram | won't be there in Austin | 15:37 |
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| vikram | tidwellr_: Will it be possible to include me in the discussion | 15:37 |
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| vikram | tidwellr_: hangout/skype | 15:38 |
| tidwellr_ | I'll see what we can do, we might be able to run a hangout | 15:38 |
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| vikram | tidwellr_: thanks | 15:38 |
| tidwellr_ | vikram: +2 powers on the repo are all set correctly? | 15:38 |
| vikram | tidwellr_: I have asked infra team to add | 15:39 |
| tidwellr_ | ok | 15:39 |
| vikram | tidwellr_: Will be done soon | 15:39 |
| tidwellr_ | alright, well that's all I had | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | anything else vikram? | 15:40 |
| vikram | I am also done | 15:40 |
| vikram | one thing | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on... | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | not yet :-) | 15:40 |
| vikram | ;( | 15:40 |
| vikram | do we need a separate irc for the new project | 15:40 |
| vikram | or we will continue here? | 15:40 |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: tidwellr: can we discuss the plan after the meeting ? | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | Maybe that depends on you specific plan going forwward | 15:42 |
| vikram | ok.. let's then continue for sometime and then we can decide | 15:42 |
| tidwellr_ | let's keep it on the agenda for now and see how things progress | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | anything else? | 15:43 |
| vikram | I am done now ;) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:43 | |
| mlavalle | any topics from the team? | 15:44 |
| Na_Zhu | vikram: about the works of bgp move out, can we discuss with tidwellr now? | 15:44 |
| pavel_bondar | I am close with getting clean jenkins pass for switch to pluggable ipam migration | 15:44 |
| pavel_bondar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023/ | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: thanks | 15:45 |
| pavel_bondar | Now it incorporates 3 additional fixes to make clean pass possible with pluggable ipam by default, so reviews are welcome | 15:46 |
| tidwellr_ | pavel_bondar has been a busy! | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 15:47 |
| pavel_bondar | yeah:) | 15:47 |
| pavel_bondar | finally, it time to finish all the pluggable ipam stuff | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I think we are done for this week | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | we'll met again on May 5th | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | safe travels to Austin | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 15:49:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-21-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-21-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-04-21-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| vikram | bye | 15:52 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 16:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hey | 16:01 |
| etoews | hi | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | so.... all ready for next week? | 16:02 |
| etoews | pretty much | 16:03 |
| elmiko | nice =) | 16:03 |
| etoews | which is to say, not really. | 16:03 |
| elmiko | hahah! | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i should /not/ have taken a sip of tea lol | 16:03 |
| etoews | :) | 16:03 |
| etoews | so the API WG meeting is at 2 pm. | 16:03 |
| elmiko | on monday? | 16:04 |
| etoews | yep | 16:04 |
| etoews | want to get together for lunch at noon and chat? | 16:04 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:04 |
| elmiko | yea, sure | 16:04 |
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| cdent | sorry I'm late | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | no worries, just the 2 of us so far | 16:04 |
| etoews | how about this. let's meet at the room where the session will be at 11:30 am and then we can walk to lunch from there? | 16:05 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 16:05 |
| * cdent is so envious | 16:05 | |
| cdent | or am I jealous? | 16:05 |
| elmiko | jealvious? | 16:06 |
| etoews | elmiko: okay. see irl at 11:30 am on monday at Hilton Austin - Level 6 - Salon J | 16:06 |
| etoews | s/see/see you/ | 16:06 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:07 |
| * cdent weeps | 16:07 | |
| elmiko | we'll get you in on hangouts =) | 16:07 |
| elmiko | isn't mirantis sending the vr-bot again? | 16:08 |
| etoews | it's a real bummer you won't be there cdent | 16:08 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:08 |
| cdent | I'm taking tues-thur off to see the outdoors | 16:09 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:09 |
| cdent | That's under the assumption things will be a bit quiet around here | 16:09 |
| etoews | i'd imagine so | 16:10 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:10 | |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-07-16.00.html | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | man, i've totally spaced on what my action item is about. gotta check the logs lol | 16:11 |
| cdent | elmiko: we talked about maybe changing how frequently we send mail to the list about pending guidelines | 16:11 |
| cdent | you and I thought that perhaps we should send more, not less mail | 16:11 |
| elmiko | ok, right | 16:11 |
| etoews | i just read up on "tc candidates love api-wg" | 16:12 |
| elmiko | yea, let me add that to the etherpad | 16:12 |
| etoews | not sure what to expect at the summit... | 16:12 |
| cdent | etoews: few of the candidates that professed love of api-wg were actually elected | 16:13 |
| elmiko | let's hope we get a good crowd this time. we had a nice intimate chat in tokyo lol | 16:13 |
| cdent | but some were | 16:13 |
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| etoews | <insert new topic here> | 16:15 |
| etoews | {{ insert-topic }} | 16:15 |
| cdent | bon chance et bon voyage? | 16:15 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:15 |
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| elmiko | i think the agenda looks pretty good, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:16 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:16 |
| elmiko | not sure if that list needs wrangling, but it's a start | 16:16 |
| cdent | agenda looks good to me too | 16:17 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:17 |
| cdent | Might be interesting to have an "open input: state of the apis" | 16:18 |
| elmiko | good idea | 16:18 |
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| cdent | basically to find out what people care about, what we don't know, etc | 16:18 |
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| elmiko | ack, that's what i thought you meant | 16:18 |
| elmiko | ok, updated | 16:19 |
| cdent | rad | 16:19 |
| elmiko | gnarly dude | 16:19 |
| etoews | linked to https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg too | 16:20 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:20 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:20 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:20 |
| etoews | it's so weird not seeing all of the microversion guidelines in there | 16:21 |
| cdent | heh | 16:21 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:21 |
| elmiko | looks like we have some that are working towards freeze though | 16:21 |
| etoews | at least our old friend https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190743/ is still around | 16:21 |
| elmiko | but, i imagine we should hold on freezing until after summit? | 16:21 |
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| cdent | makes sense | 16:22 |
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| etoews | agreed. i'm just perusing some of the guidelines... | 16:26 |
| elmiko | same | 16:26 |
| elmiko | brb, i think someone is at my door | 16:27 |
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| cdent | surprise it's me! | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | haha | 16:28 |
| agentle | thanks etoews for reviewing https://review.openstack.org/308336 | 16:29 |
| etoews | np | 16:30 |
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| agentle | I think the input from 2 projects so far is "wait, content won't be in api-site repo?" so taking care of that input as it comes in | 16:30 |
| etoews | i think we can just merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305590/1 under our process right? | 16:30 |
| cdent | etoews: yeah, I believe so yes | 16:30 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:31 |
| agentle | yeah | 16:31 |
| etoews | done | 16:32 |
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| etoews | this reads like typo fixes to me too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301805/1/guidelines/http.rst | 16:33 |
| elmiko | yeah, i thought we could fast track that change as well | 16:34 |
| * cdent puts another notch on the bedpost | 16:34 | |
| etoews | done | 16:34 |
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| etoews | here's another one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303369/1 | 16:37 |
| etoews | it doesn't materially change the guideline | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | yea, +1 | 16:37 |
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| etoews | done | 16:38 |
| cdent | I've got a spec in place for nova to switch to the new header style, fyi | 16:38 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:38 |
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| etoews | alrighty. since we're not freezing anything this close to the summit, that looks like that's it to me for now. | 16:41 |
| * agentle rebases the api docs patch | 16:41 | |
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| etoews | anything else to cover? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | nothing here | 16:41 |
| * cdent doesn't have anything | 16:42 | |
| etoews | cool. see you soon elmiko! | 16:43 |
| elmiko | yup, take care o/ | 16:43 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 16:43:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-21-16.01.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-21-16.01.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-04-21-16.01.log.html | 16:43 |
| elmiko | later cdent | 16:43 |
| etoews | ciao cdent | 16:43 |
| cdent | i'll be there in spirit | 16:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro igordcard mageshgv tbachman | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 18:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_21st.2C_2016 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a note upfront on the mitaka release | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had a rc1 release and i found some issues with our in-tree devstack | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that has been fixed since | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that i am just waiting to merge the devref patch from igordcard once its complete | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | is there anything else anyone else wants to land any critical fix? | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please note that we have to moved to non-date based version numbering | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we are in the 4th release, the RC tag was 4.0.0.0rc1 | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and the release version will be 4.0.0 | 18:04 |
| tbachman | 4 for juno/kilo/liberty/ and now Mitaka? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:05 |
| * tbachman can count :) | 18:05 | |
| tbachman | lol | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | basically following the convention used by other projects when they switched from date versioning | 18:05 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: does that sound okay based on your interaction with the RHEL packaging team? | 18:06 |
| rkukura | I think so, but the epoch will need to be incremented | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can you elaborate? | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | The epoch is basically an invisible most significant part of the version number | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | Since 4 < 2015, we will need to bump the epoch | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, where is that captured? | 18:08 |
| rkukura | which will mean 4.x supercedes 2015.x | 18:08 |
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| rkukura | Its in the spec file for the RPM | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i though this is somehow handled in pbr | 18:08 |
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| rkukura | PBR may have something similar, but I don’t know much about PBR | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah okay, that makes sense, since i did not see anything in the code tree itself | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hemanthravi: hi | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:09 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:09 |
| rkukura | It seems what we are doing is just like what all other projects have done, so I’m confident it will work out | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, to the best of my understanding | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would hope to release mitaka by the end of this week | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so let me know offline if there are any concerns | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi | 18:10 |
| songole | Hi | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am assuming there no more packaging updates or things to discuss immediately? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | no update for now | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard’s devref patch has been up for review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306855 | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: there? | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to check with igordcard when he plans to remove the patch from WIP | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe only the pep8 needs to be fixed | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any major concerns with this patch? | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if not, then we can look at merging this patch once its out of WIP | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP Design Spec | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/239743 | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i see there are +2s on this | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i need to give one more reading, but i am mostly fine with this | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | addressed so far | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | the comments so far | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks for your patience on this spec, its dragged on for close to six months now | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else have any major concerns? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: my understanding is that the implementation patches will have a devref docment which reflects the state of implementation as a followup to this design spec | 18:19 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: will work on the deverf patches | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:19 |
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| hemanthravi | the implementation patches are posted | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: right | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the devref needs to be part of the implementation patch | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: perhaps in the last patch of the chain | 18:20 |
| hemanthravi | if there are no major concerns can this spec be +A'd. I can continue to address any comments that come up | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i guess no more comments on the NFP spec | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah i would propose that discussion move to the implementation patches and the devref therein | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the spec was meant to facilitate the design discussion to this point | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | amit bose has been reviewing the APIC policy driver related patches and has been doing a great job | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we have added him as +2/A core for the APIC patches | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see amit here right now, but welcome Amit! | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | programming note - we dont have the IRC meeting next week since we will be at the OpenStack Austin Summit | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most of us will be at the workshop #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/6894/developing-deploying-and-consuming-l4-7-network-services-in-an-openstack-cloud | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please attend if you get a chance | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else for today? | 18:25 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Are any in-person GBP design sessions planned? | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not yet, but we play it by the ear once we get there | 18:26 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *we can | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright thanks all for attending today, and see you at the Summit next week! | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:27 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 18:27:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-21-18.00.html | 18:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-21-18.00.txt | 18:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-04-21-18.00.log.html | 18:27 |
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| songole | bye | 18:27 |
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| shamail | ping emagana | 18:59 |
| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 18:59:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 18:59 |
| emagana | I am here! | 18:59 |
| shamail | #topic roll call | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 18:59 | |
| shamail | Hi Edgar! | 18:59 |
| emagana | shamail: Thanks for pinging | 19:00 |
| shamail | Anyone else here for the meeting? | 19:00 |
| shamail | np | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | yup | 19:00 |
| carolbarrett_ | Hi | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | hello all | 19:00 |
| shamail | awesome | 19:00 |
| shamail | hi! | 19:00 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition#Meeting_Information is the agenda for today. | 19:00 |
| shamail | #topic Review milestone-2 outputs | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review milestone-2 outputs (Meeting topic: nonatc)" | 19:00 | |
| shamail | The team went through a list of potential contributions that should be considered a part of the UC constituency | 19:01 |
| shamail | I took that list and summarized the findings | 19:01 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:01 |
| shamail | Please take a few minutes to read the results and then lets discuss. | 19:01 |
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| dc_mattj | shamail: is there a difference between Official user group meetup hosts and Official User Group organizers ? I know there isn't in the UK meetups, but there might be elsewhere .. | 19:02 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: good catch, I don’t think so | 19:03 |
| * shamail looks at groups.openstack.org to see validate | 19:03 | |
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| shamail | One in the same I think.... | 19:03 |
| shamail | https://groups.openstack.org/groups/san-francisco-bay-area | 19:03 |
| shamail | Shows “Joe Arnold ;Sean Roberts ;Lisa-Marie Namphy;Rick Evans” as coordinators | 19:03 |
| shamail | which I would also consider the hosts | 19:03 |
| shamail | Removed hosts from the list | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | same for the UK groups, organisers are the hosts | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | emagana: do you think that list captures all of the important contributions from the ops community ? | 19:04 |
| shamail | I think one open question was whether sponsors (maybe that is what hosts referred to) are eligible | 19:04 |
| shamail | e.g. if company XYZ pays for food | 19:04 |
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| emagana | dc_mattj: No, I think we are missing a lot of good contributors | 19:05 |
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| shamail | This list is capturing contributors, not activities | 19:05 |
| shamail | activities (things we can track) are the discussion we will start today | 19:05 |
| shamail | We need to add openstack operators though | 19:05 |
| shamail | :P | 19:05 |
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| dc_mattj | shamail: companies have other ways of contributing - sponsoring the foundation for a start, sponsoring summits etc. | 19:05 |
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| dc_mattj | personally I don't think this should be the mechanism for recognising that | 19:06 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1 | 19:06 |
| emagana | dc_mattj: We are taking that into account | 19:06 |
| dc_mattj | slightly also read through the lens that in the UK there seems to be a lot of companies putting marketing messages on their websites about supporting the community without actually doing anything | 19:07 |
| shamail | emagana: what else would you add? | 19:07 |
| dc_mattj | :( | 19:07 |
| emagana | looking into my notes | 19:07 |
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| emagana | Take a look to this etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OperatorRecognition | 19:08 |
| * shamail opening it | 19:08 | |
| shamail | I see a few | 19:08 |
| shamail | “Ask Moderation" | 19:09 |
| shamail | The bug one we decided to defer for now (until we can discuss and qualify “quality” later) | 19:09 |
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| shamail | I think Ask Moderation and User Committee particpation are the two I see missing | 19:10 |
| shamail | Is it okay to add them? | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | we did discuss Ask stuff a bit last week | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | although I have to admit I don't spend a lot of time on there anymore | 19:11 |
| MeganR | I have a question regarding Filling out the user survey (including a deployment) - some companies don't allow this information or only allow certain people to complete this information | 19:11 |
| shamail | Also, this is an initial list… we can grow it in the future as well… we tried to identify measureable items that have general agreement | 19:11 |
| shamail | so we don’t get stuck in long debates for now (so we can start somewhere) | 19:11 |
| dc_mattj | my view on user surveys was that it wasn't enough, but happy to go with the consensus | 19:11 |
| shamail | MeganR: I didn’t include that on the initial list | 19:11 |
| shamail | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:11 |
| shamail | Yeah, as dc_mattj, there was debate whether it is enough so didn’t include for now | 19:12 |
| MeganR | ah thank you - I was referring to emagana's link | 19:12 |
| shamail | Any +1s to adding “Ask Moderators” and “User Committee Participants”? | 19:12 |
| shamail | Anyone else have suggestions on what to add? | 19:13 |
| MeganR | +1, I think those are good to add | 19:13 |
| shamail | I have two changes that I would like to propose… I want to change Contributors to ops repositories to be Any repo under UC governance | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | I'd personally -1 Ask Moderators, although that's also based on not really seeing much value in Ask generally | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: +1 | 19:14 |
| shamail | this would cover the ops repos but also take openstack-user-stories into account and any future working groups | 19:14 |
| MeganR | did we discuss Track Chairs/Summit presentations - great to have both, but one or the other works | 19:14 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: we can discuss Ask at the summit | 19:15 |
| shamail | MeganR: yes, track chairs are included | 19:15 |
| dc_mattj | :) look forward to it | 19:15 |
| shamail | I would +1 presentations as well | 19:15 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail +1 | 19:15 |
| MeganR | thank you | 19:16 |
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| dc_mattj | if this ends up being a badge recognition thing then presenters get that anyway right ? | 19:16 |
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| shamail | They do | 19:16 |
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| dc_mattj | if you've had a presentation accepted, then you're already in the schedule, have a badge designation etc. | 19:16 |
| MeganR | good point, I guess that ties into what recognition we are looking at | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | are we trying to find ways of recognising the folks who aren't already recognised ? | 19:17 |
| shamail | We are trying to find ways to broaden the definition of contributor to include those who are not included in the current definition | 19:17 |
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| shamail | recognition one of the desired benefits (but others could be determined by UC as well) | 19:18 |
| dc_mattj | ok, under that scope you could maybe say that presenters aren't recognised as contributors I suppose | 19:18 |
| shamail | I had another addition request… should we have a definition for “Additional members based on review committee” | 19:19 |
| shamail | This would allow us to have a mechnaism where people could self-nominate and we could validate their eligibility | 19:19 |
| dc_mattj | context ? | 19:19 |
| shamail | this would be useful for recognizing contributions that do not have a good way of being measured | 19:19 |
| shamail | “e.g. writing a book, working in another open source community to promote openstack, etc | 19:20 |
| dc_mattj | think you'd have to be pretty confident to nominate yourself, and if you were that person you'd probably already fall into other categories, but as a catch all +1 | 19:20 |
| shamail | It would also give us a way to find gaps in coverage… if we get a lot of request based on certain activities, we could work on automating the criteria and explicit inclusion | 19:20 |
| shamail | true dc_mattj | 19:21 |
| shamail | I view it as a catch all to give a person a way to contest not being included | 19:21 |
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| dc_mattj | actually having said that, I can think of some folks in the KVM community who are very engaged with the UK user group community, but wouldn't necessarily be contributing in other ways | 19:21 |
| dc_mattj | +1 anyway | 19:21 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:21 |
| shamail | Anyone else +1? | 19:21 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:21 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:21 |
| shamail | hmm | 19:21 |
| shamail | how to phrase it | 19:21 |
| dc_mattj | I think your definition above was fairly good | 19:22 |
| shamail | “Submission for eligibility to review panel” | 19:22 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:22 |
| dc_mattj | because that also says that someone else could nominate you | 19:22 |
| shamail | Yeah! | 19:22 |
| dc_mattj | +2 ;) | 19:23 |
| shamail | Okay | 19:23 |
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| shamail | We are done with reviewing this list for now | 19:23 |
| shamail | I have marked milestone-2 as completed but “pending review" | 19:23 |
| shamail | We should bring this list forward at the face to face session for additional vetting in the community | 19:23 |
| shamail | and then consider it completed | 19:23 |
| dc_mattj | so just to clarify for a second | 19:23 |
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| dc_mattj | emagana: given those additions do you think that covers everyone you know of in the ops community who doesn't fall into all of the other categories ? | 19:24 |
| shamail | I thought we lost emagana | 19:24 |
| shamail | good call dc_mattj | 19:24 |
| emagana | sorry.. I am in another meeting at work | 19:24 |
| shamail | ah | 19:25 |
| emagana | I hope we have full coverage | 19:25 |
| shamail | We will review again at ops meetup Edgar | 19:25 |
| shamail | so we can always add there as well | 19:25 |
| emagana | now, we should run the number and find out how many people will have in total.. we could end up having more non-ATC that ATC | 19:25 |
| dc_mattj | I think the lists are fairly well aligned, but Edgar knows that community far better than me | 19:25 |
| shamail | We need to complete milestone-3 before we can do that | 19:25 |
| dc_mattj | emagana: lol | 19:25 |
| shamail | (we will start milestone-3 in this meeting) | 19:25 |
| shamail | that is to define the criteria for validation | 19:25 |
| shamail | emagana: lol | 19:26 |
| shamail | okay to move on for now? | 19:26 |
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| dc_mattj | yes | 19:27 |
| shamail | awesome, thanks | 19:27 |
| shamail | #topic Discuss metrics used to verify eligibility and possible automation to extract information | 19:27 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-criteria | 19:27 |
| dc_mattj | shamail: can I suggest a similar tack to last week, where we identify the easily automated ones to start with and just focus on the less easily quantifiable ones | 19:27 |
| shamail | I have created a new etherpad that just includes the criteria | 19:27 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1 | 19:27 |
| shamail | Let’s go in the etherpad and start adding criteria and sources for validation | 19:28 |
| shamail | for example | 19:28 |
| shamail | WG particaption: extract IRC meeting attendance from eavesdrop, scrape etherpads | 19:28 |
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| shamail | We are all active on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-criteria) | 19:32 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: which one is your session? | 19:35 |
| shamail | checking schedule | 19:35 |
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| dc_mattj | Ceph integration | 19:35 |
| shamail | aah | 19:36 |
| shamail | yes | 19:36 |
| dc_mattj | ah maybe it's just that session - moderators were fairly last minute ( although before it landed on the schedule pages ). Moderators are me and Johanni from Workday | 19:36 |
| shamail | He didn’t have a mod originally | 19:36 |
| dc_mattj | but that can be fixed | 19:36 |
| shamail | yeah, I remember that (and another one) being the last few | 19:36 |
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| shamail | MeganR: on con call topic... | 19:38 |
| shamail | most of those groups still use etherpads | 19:38 |
| MeganR | yes | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | carolbarret_: what don't you think should be a criteria ? | 19:38 |
| shamail | can you think of any that don't? | 19:38 |
| dc_mattj | ah ok, we're all on the same point :) | 19:39 |
| shamail | PWG is covered easily, EWG could be gathered from etehrpads | 19:39 |
| shamail | and I added a “catch all” here as well | 19:39 |
| emagana | shamail: On this topic. Is everybody aware of the repos that Tom F. made available to collect metrics about users/ops | 19:39 |
| emagana | ? | 19:39 |
| shamail | We could send our scraped list to the organizers listed at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee for validation | 19:39 |
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| shamail | Hi emagana, I think I linked it at the last meeting | 19:40 |
| emagana | good! | 19:40 |
| shamail | Please feel free to post if you have it handy | 19:40 |
| MeganR | I was just thinking that - you are right, I can't think of any that don't, unless they are side projects (the booklet for EWG or the ref. architecture again for EWG) I think we can use etherpads | 19:40 |
| shamail | MeganR: good point | 19:40 |
| emagana | just in case: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302547/ | 19:40 |
| shamail | I think those things could still be caught via validation from organizer or if the team nominates via review board | 19:40 |
| MeganR | shamail - I think so, they should all bubble up to another group, using an etherpsd | 19:41 |
| MeganR | *etherpad | 19:41 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:41 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: I like the tool suggestion for WGs | 19:42 |
| MeganR | +1, great idea | 19:42 |
| shamail | It would be fairly easy to build (could re-use foundation track chair assets) and could become a standard practice recommended by the user committee for new working groups | 19:42 |
| dc_mattj | could be pre-populated by scraping IRC if we really needed that, although it would be trivial for a chair to just put in emails, nicks, etc | 19:43 |
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| shamail | yeah | 19:43 |
| dc_mattj | and for a chair it's 30 seconds work | 19:43 |
| shamail | I think entry/ownership by WG organizers if probably simple | 19:43 |
| shamail | yeah | 19:43 |
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| shamail | We should spend days building something that a chair could build in minutes | 19:44 |
| shamail | lol | 19:44 |
| dc_mattj | chair knows all ;) | 19:44 |
| shamail | how about we SHOULDN'T | 19:44 |
| shamail | This is great! | 19:44 |
| shamail | We have easily definable criteria for every item on the list | 19:44 |
| shamail | some require follow-up: superuser, WG | 19:45 |
| shamail | Please feel free to keep populating this etherpad… we will also discuss this at our face to facce | 19:45 |
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| shamail | I’m going to change topics for the sake of time, this was really productive! | 19:46 |
| dc_mattj | superuser could be the same as WG chairs, if Nicole has a super easy way to say I've approved this for publication ... | 19:46 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: +1 | 19:46 |
| shamail | #topic Austin Summit plans | 19:46 |
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| shamail | I spoke with emagana earlier this week and he graciously allowed for us to crash his ops recognition session at the ops meetup next week! | 19:46 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 19:47 |
| shamail | We will use that session to discuss the status of ops recognition but then also leverage it as a working session for this WG | 19:47 |
| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9518 | 19:47 |
| dc_mattj | works for me as I already have all of Monday set aside for ops summit ;) | 19:47 |
| shamail | Details for the session in the link | 19:47 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: same here, I will be there for most of it as well | 19:47 |
| shamail | mark your calendars MeganR and carolbarrett_ !! | 19:47 |
| dc_mattj | oh noes, that is the same time as the ceph session :( | 19:48 |
| shamail | Oh oh | 19:48 |
| MeganR | thank you for the info | 19:48 |
| shamail | This is a double session dc_mattj | 19:48 |
| shamail | so you might miss the first half | 19:48 |
| shamail | Your session ends at 5:20 and this ends at 6:!0 | 19:48 |
| dc_mattj | tbh I only agreed to do the ceph session because Tom was short of moderators, so my preference would be to do this session if someone else could be found for the ceph stuff | 19:49 |
| shamail | 6:10* | 19:49 |
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| shamail | It would be great to have you for the whole session since you have been at every meeting! | 19:49 |
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| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:49 |
| shamail | #context | 19:49 |
| dc_mattj | let me talk to Tom | 19:50 |
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| shamail | Thanks | 19:50 |
| shamail | emagana and I will be updating the etherpad to include information about Non-ATC WG as well. | 19:50 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Ops-Recognition | 19:50 |
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| shamail | I also would like to find out how emagana sourced the data he has in the etherpad already | 19:51 |
| shamail | Seems like something we could use for the discussion we just had | 19:51 |
| shamail | That is all we had on the agenda for today | 19:52 |
| shamail | #topic open | 19:52 |
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| shamail | Would anyone like to raise another topic? | 19:52 |
| shamail | Going once... | 19:52 |
| shamail | twice… | 19:53 |
| shamail | Have a great day/evening! See you in Austin!! | 19:53 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 19:53:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-21-18.59.html | 19:53 |
| MeganR | bye!! | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-21-18.59.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-04-21-18.59.log.html | 19:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 21:31:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the ops/arch guide meeting | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | ? | 21:31 |
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| loquacities | ShillaSaebi: hi! | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello loquacities ! | 21:35 |
| loquacities | sorry we're late :) | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | darrenc with you too? | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | no worries at all....looks like it's only us | 21:35 |
| loquacities | he is here with me, he's just getting online | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | Devon is not going to make it today | 21:36 |
| loquacities | oh really? | 21:36 |
| loquacities | bummer :( | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah I will be updating Jonathan tomorrow on whatever takeaways we have from this meeting | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 21:36 |
| loquacities | are you going to see him tomorrow? | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have a phone call scheduled | 21:36 |
| loquacities | sweet! | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah so lets go ahead and get started | 21:37 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:37 |
| darrenc | hi | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi darrenc | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Patches in review | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/operations-guide,n,z | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | as you can see, not too much going on | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ops Guide | 21:38 |
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| loquacities | that's probably as it should be at this point in the cycle | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | ops-guide session at the Austin summit: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9511 | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | Etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Docs-ops-guide | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | Monday, April 25, 11:15am-11:55am | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | I am going to be there for this | 21:39 |
| loquacities | yep, i should be there too | 21:40 |
| darrenc | me too | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | there was some interest expressed at the last US Docs meeting about this discussion | 21:40 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | for me one of the main goals is going to be finding architects and writers who can help | 21:40 |
| loquacities | i think i mentioned it on my thread about summit sessions too | 21:40 |
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| loquacities | so hopefully we get some good docs representation | 21:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes that would be awesome | 21:40 |
| darrenc | yeah, we really need some architects to help with the arch guide | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | any suggestions to improve the ops-guide can be updated using this #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes darrenc totally agree | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can have this etherpad up during the session and note down any suggestions too | 21:42 |
| darrenc | actually I think it would make more sense to populate changes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Docs-ops-guide | 21:42 |
| darrenc | and create an agenda in there as well | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok that makes sense | 21:43 |
| loquacities | +1 | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can work with Jonathan tomorrow and put together an agenda | 21:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | that way we're prepared | 21:43 |
| darrenc | sounds good | 21:43 |
| loquacities | good plan | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Liberty Ops Mid-Cycle | 21:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so the outcome from the mid-cyle, I would think we'd want to bring those points up at the session as well? | 21:45 |
| loquacities | what outcomes were these? | 21:45 |
| loquacities | are they listed somewhere? | 21:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes here is the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-ops-guide-fixing | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | under the fixes | 21:46 |
| loquacities | got it | 21:46 |
| loquacities | thanks | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah if we can incorporate some of these points into the session that would be good imo | 21:46 |
| loquacities | +1 | 21:47 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | I don't really have much else | 21:47 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
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| loquacities | that was easy :P | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can make sure to give the info to Jonathan on tomorrows call | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | is there anything else I should bring up? | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | If you can think of anything before then just feel free to shoot me an e-mail | 21:48 |
| loquacities | i can't think of anything | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | Are you guys caught up with jet lag yet? | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh | 21:49 |
| darrenc | maybe we should discuss the arch guide in the Newton planning session | 21:49 |
| loquacities | not yet, only got in last night ;) | 21:49 |
| loquacities | darrenc: +1 | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | ah it will be a little bit then | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | and yes +1 | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | i will check my schedule and hopefully I can attend | 21:49 |
| loquacities | yeah, by the weekend we'll be fine | 21:49 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome well thanks guys!! Enjoy your time and I look fwd to seeing you next week! | 21:49 |
| loquacities | great! | 21:49 |
| loquacities | thanks ShillaSaebi :) | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | see ya soon! | 21:50 |
| darrenc | likewise, see you then! | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 21:50:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-04-21-21.31.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-04-21-21.31.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-04-21-21.31.log.html | 21:50 |
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