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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 14:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
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| PaulMurray | Hi, is anyoe here for live migration ? | 14:00 |
| luis5tb | Hi! | 14:00 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi I am | 14:00 |
| paul-carlton1 | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishek | \o/ | 14:00 |
| * mriedem is here but has to run to another physical meeting for a half hour | 14:00 | |
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| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | just gonna wait a moment while people pop up | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | There is an agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:02 | |
| PaulMurray | Now I'm back home I will try to get these agendas sorted on fridays | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Review summit outcome | 14:02 |
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| PaulMurray | Did everyone have a good summit ? | 14:02 |
| abhishek | yes | 14:03 |
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| PaulMurray | I put the new deadlines on the agenda | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | but so you can see them here: | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Non-priority spec freeze: May 30-03 (R-18) | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Non-priority feature freeze: Jun 27-01 (R-14) | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Priority spec freeze: Aug 01-05 (R-9) | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Priority feature freeze: Aug 29-02 (R-5) | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | No deadlie for CI work | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:04 |
| paul-carlton1 | May 30-03 means May 30th? | 14:04 |
| abhishek | May 30 to June 3 probably | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | I think it means the week of MAy 30th (goes up to 3rd June) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | june 2nd | 14:04 |
| mriedem | thursday 6/2 is n-1 and non-priority spec approval freeze | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, do al those dates refer to Thursday as the deadline ? | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | Anyway, you have the link there | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | I also did an ML post - with some corrections in the thread.... | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | #link Summit round up: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/093538.html | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | Feel free to add corrections if you see any | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | mistakes | 14:07 |
| mdbooth | It was a great roundup, thanks | 14:07 |
| kashyap | Yeah, useful to those of us who were not present | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | The storage pools work was considered right to be made a priority | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | because it addresses security issues and is a mess now | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | so we will push that one as best we can | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | the others are non priority | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, paul-carlton1 and I will need a little help | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, are you going to share a list of patches soon ? | 14:10 |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: They should be automatically attached to the bp? | 14:10 |
| mdbooth | So, breaking news, there are now 2 of us working on this series | 14:11 |
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| * diana_clarke waves hello! I'll be working with mdbooth to help with this. | 14:11 | |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, who is the second ? | 14:11 |
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| mdbooth | ^^^ | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | hello diana_clarke | 14:11 |
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| PaulMurray | what time zone are you ? | 14:11 |
| diana_clarke | PaulMurray: hello! | 14:11 |
| diana_clarke | PaulMurray: Toronto, Canada (EDT) | 14:11 |
| andrearosa | diana_clarke: welcome | 14:11 |
| diana_clarke | andrearosa: Thanks! | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | great, good to have you with us | 14:12 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, is the spec approved - I didt look before the meeting | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | I don't think so, but I know it's being approved | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | s/approved/reviewed/ | 14:13 |
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| mdbooth | No, it's not approved | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | #link mdbooth's spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302117/ | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | right one ^^ ? | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | Yes | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | ok - lets get this reviewed | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | dansmith said he was looking at it | 14:14 |
| dansmith | as we speak | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | good - dansmith did say he would help with core reviews | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | So I'm expecting a -2 any time now ;) | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | thanks dansmith | 14:15 |
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| PaulMurray | The other spec we focused on in the session was post-copy | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb, I think that's your spec right ? | 14:16 |
| luis5tb | yes | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | #link Add post copy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301509/ | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | Were you there ? | 14:16 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Did you see danpb's post about performance testing? | 14:16 |
| luis5tb | no, unfortunately I couldn't attend the summit | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, no, I didn't - do you have a link ? | 14:17 |
| mdbooth | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093741.html | 14:17 |
| luis5tb | how should we proceed with that one? should I modify the specs so that it is an admin option (at nova.conf) to enable/disable postcopy? | 14:17 |
| luis5tb | and then automatic switch based on number of memory iterations? | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I think it's worth parking this discussion until next week when hopefully he'll have posted the results | 14:18 |
| luis5tb | but regardless of the results, we still need to have a decission on how to enable post-copy | 14:19 |
| davidgiluk | the idea about only using it for small VMs is odd; using it for big VMs works very nicely | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | jsut for luis5tb sake.... we need to have a discussion on your spec | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | or possibly on the ML | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | and danpb's work might inform it a little | 14:19 |
| luis5tb | even if postcopy is better for performance (with I'm assuming it is), for reliability it may be not the best solution | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: We also need to pull in other drivers | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | We need a general api, not a libvirt api | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, agreed, but we will take time to get any concensus on it | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb, might be able to create an argument for having it as a fixed config option | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | It's taking enough to just to decide whether it's a good idea | 14:20 |
| luis5tb | can we, for now, just propose an admin configurable variable (no API modification) and automatic switch? | 14:21 |
| luis5tb | maybe later we can decide if it is worthy to include it as an API or not | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | We have a force completion api already, right? | 14:22 |
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| luis5tb | yes, but that will degrade the performance of the VM, or even make it "non-live" | 14:22 |
| paul-carlton1 | yes an idea we discussed earlier today was to have force complete switch to post copy if post copy is enabled in conf | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, right, does it make sense to do without an auto switch - i.e. use post copy if config opt set, otherwise use pause | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | on foce complete | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | We might have an admin knob to configure the behaviour of that | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton1: +1 | 14:23 |
| andrearosa | or specify it in the body of the force complete API call, if I am not wrong we pass so,ething in the body | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | andrearosa, that's the option they don't like | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | andrearosa: The problem with that is you start exposing qemu details in the api | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | it becomes visible in the api | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | Nobody likes that | 14:24 |
| andrearosa | oh yes because it is not available for all drivers | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | so looks like mdbooth paul-carlton1 and me ( PaulMurray ) think doing it on force-complete is ok if set by config | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | any other suggestions ? | 14:24 |
| luis5tb | I think the automatic switching is not the problem, d.Berrange like that | 14:25 |
| luis5tb | but the discussion is still how to include the post-copy flag in the VMs, as this needs to be included when triggering the migration | 14:25 |
| luis5tb | so, a config option? | 14:25 |
| paul-carlton1 | auto switch over is a viable option but gives the user less control | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | yes, sounds good to me - at least for now | 14:26 |
| luis5tb | I also like the idea to also include post-copy at force option | 14:26 |
| mdbooth | fyi, hyperv and xenapi appear at first glance to support live migration | 14:26 |
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| mdbooth | And I know it's on vmware's immediate todo list | 14:26 |
| mdbooth | It would be nice to at least ask them | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, yep, we can do that | 14:26 |
| paul-carlton1 | You could do both, i..e allow force complete to invoke it but also allow the migration code to decide it is needed if the instance is not making progress | 14:27 |
| luis5tb | my initial idea for the automatic switching was to be based on a variable regarding the number of memory iterations before the switching | 14:27 |
| davidgiluk | paul-carlton1: Yes, that's a good combo | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton1: The latter could be an api option, btw | 14:27 |
| luis5tb | that could be working together with the force migration + post-copy too | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | i.e live-migration auto-force=True | 14:27 |
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| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you mean that as a config opt or as an flag in the API ? | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I was thinking api flag | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | not sure I like that | 14:28 |
| luis5tb | I like paul-carlton1 idea, pretty similar to what I already have | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I'm not sufficiently wedded to it to bike-shed it :) | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | ...but would need to think | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb, would you like to do an updated spec | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | then we can discuss it there | 14:29 |
| luis5tb | yes, I was waiting for summit decision to do so | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | and maybe promote its existance on the ML when its up | 14:30 |
| andrearosa | I am not 100% sure about the auto-switch if we are not making any progress, some users coudl prefer to abort the live migration and not going for the risky post-copy option | 14:30 |
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| luis5tb | but if no progress is being done, you could do the force-completiion | 14:30 |
| mdbooth | andrearosa: That's why I was thinking api flag rather than config opt | 14:30 |
| davidgiluk | andrearosa: As a feature that's enablable | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | The plan is to discuss it on the spec / ML to converge on a plan | 14:30 |
| paul-carlton1 | That is where my spec come in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561 Automatic Live Migration Completion | 14:30 |
| mdbooth | indeed | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | So, luis5tb, we'll leave it with you to do the spec and tell us when its up | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | and we can move on here | 14:31 |
| luis5tb | ok | 14:31 |
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| PaulMurray | #topic Specs | 14:31 |
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| luis5tb | I'll update the spec and send the email | 14:31 |
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| PaulMurray | #link specs for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | #undo | 14:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa92bb10> | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | that's not what I meant to post | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | I think this is what I was looking for | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | #link subteam specs for review: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | The deadline for non-priority is very soon | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | Does anyone want to talk about one of them now ? | 14:34 |
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| PaulMurray | ok | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | We will review progress on these specs each week up to the freeze date | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131 Live Migration of Rescued Instances | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton1 | reviews welcome, there is code ready to go too | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton1, ? | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton1 | You asked about spec reviews | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | yep, | 14:37 |
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| PaulMurray | that is an interesting one - should be a quick win if its all correct | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | next topic | 14:37 |
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| PaulMurray | #topic Open Discussion | 14:38 |
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| PaulMurray | aha - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215483/3 | 14:38 |
| abhishek | hi, this is related to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1470420 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470420 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Set migration status to 'error' instead of 'failed' during live-migration" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rajesh Tailor (rajesh-tailor) | 14:38 |
| abhishek | during summit we had discussion with PaulMurray and alaski for the same. | 14:38 |
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| abhishek | please take a look at it, IMO, as of now we can have this solution and once a permenant fix is implemented we can remove the periodic task _cleanup_incomplete_migrations | 14:39 |
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| mdbooth | abhishek: Is this just the freeform status field? | 14:40 |
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| abhishek | currently patch is in merge conflict, I can rebase it in few minutes if it is required | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | what did alaski say when yu spoke to him? | 14:40 |
| abhishek | alaski said he will have a look again at it, We have added comment on patch for him | 14:40 |
| mdbooth | This should follow whatever we do at project level, tbh. It looks like user-visible api to me, which means changing it could be regarded as a regression. | 14:41 |
| mdbooth | I mean, it's obviously a wart, but it might be a wart we have to live with | 14:41 |
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| mdbooth | However, if we've decided as a project that we fix this sort of thing... | 14:41 |
| abhishek | mdbooth, but with this we will be able to cleanup the files from source or desination node | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, I think we need to look at the migrations reporting in general a bit more carefully | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | We can punch operators in the face /so many times/ before they complain | 14:42 |
| PaulMurray | at the moment the migrations record is used in several different ways | 14:42 |
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| PaulMurray | some types even end up finished when others end up completed | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | Eww | 14:43 |
| abhishek | PaulMurray: right | 14:43 |
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| PaulMurray | abhishek, if its about a quick fix, is there any other non-user facing parameters that can be used to flag a clean up is needed ? | 14:43 |
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| abhishek | currently patch is in merge conflict, I can rebase it | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | If we're going to do this, can we please create an enum and enforce it somewhere? | 14:44 |
| abhishek | PaulMurray, IMO no | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | Perhaps at the object layer? | 14:44 |
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| abhishek | mdbooth, this can be done | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | abhishek, I think mdbooth's point is where this got stuck before - its user facing and some people have tooling that looks for the values | 14:45 |
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| abhishek | PaulMurray, I think its still good to have way to cleanup files rather keeping it as it is | 14:47 |
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| PaulMurray | abhishek, I think we may need to find another way though, we keep going around on this one | 14:47 |
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| abhishek | PaulMurray, I will try to get alaski's view on this | 14:48 |
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| PaulMurray | abhishek, ok | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | abhishek, thanks for keeping on with it, but be open minded about how it will end up | 14:49 |
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| abhishek | PaulMurray, mdbooth: sure, thank you for your time | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | anything else for the last few minutes ? | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | anything anyone would like to see in these meetings ? | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | (in future I mean) | 14:50 |
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| PaulMurray | I will try to organise the subteam page: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-live-migration | 14:51 |
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| PaulMurray | in the mean time - thanks for comig | 14:51 |
| diana_clarke | Nice to meet you, folks! | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 14:51:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-03-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-03-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-03-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting stable | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 15:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 15:00 |
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| mriedem | the agenda is old, i wasn't prepared to run this | 15:00 |
| mriedem | is anyone around? | 15:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| mriedem | ohi | 15:02 |
| mriedem | i was about to quit | 15:02 |
| ttx | heh, sorry about that | 15:03 |
| ttx | dhellmann said he would come too | 15:03 |
| ttx | maybe quick summit postmortem ? | 15:03 |
| mriedem | yeah... | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 15:03 |
| mriedem | #topic summit recap | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | #link summit etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-stable-summit | 15:03 |
| mriedem | there were 3 items | 15:03 |
| ttx | Trying to fetch action items for me if any | 15:04 |
| mriedem | 1. backward compat for libraries | 15:04 |
| mriedem | the basic question was, do we care about in-place upgrades? | 15:04 |
| mriedem | lifeless also has a dev thread on this | 15:04 |
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| dhellmann | I haven't caught up with email yet, but oslo had a separate session in which we all agreed to support n-1 upgrades in place but not *mixed* upgrades of multiple services | 15:05 |
| mriedem | #link lifeless ML thread on backward compat http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/093403.html | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | at least that was my recollection, the mixed bit may have been a separate session | 15:05 |
| ttx | yes that's what I heard too | 15:05 |
| dims | o/ | 15:05 |
| mriedem | from the summit session, the notes i have are the TC will take a vote on this and then in general projects won't have to support backward compat. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | we were going to have a tc resolution to the effect that the community doesn't need to support mixed upgrades | 15:06 |
| mriedem | although several already are | 15:06 |
| mriedem | yup | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | well, not "won't have to support backward compat" but "won't have to support mixed upgrades on a given node" | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | so some backwards compat is still supported, in a way that makes dependency management significantly simpler | 15:06 |
| mriedem | ok, i updated the note in the etherpad | 15:07 |
| mriedem | 2. stable branch eol policy | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | #info we decided we're not going to extend stable/kilo another 6 months, it gets messy and sets the wrong expectations - we need to be consistent with EOL | 15:07 |
| mriedem | #action tonyb to get an EOL date for stable/mitaka | 15:07 |
| ttx | yeah, my take was that we could seriously consider it starting with liberty though | 15:08 |
| mriedem | #action Daviey to freeze stable/kilo this week and plan for the final release | 15:08 |
| ttx | kilo was hard due to non-constraints | 15:08 |
| mriedem | ttx: i don't think we agreed to that | 15:08 |
| ttx | mriedem: no we didn't, but that was my read. like "we can't do that with kilo" | 15:08 |
| mriedem | ttx: i'll leave it up to you to bring it up in barcelona then :) | 15:09 |
| ttx | ha! | 15:09 |
| ttx | yes, my turn I guess | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I don't remember any decision like that about liberty. I thought we agreed being consistent was the important thing. | 15:09 |
| mriedem | i'll ping Daviey after the meeting about stable/kilo freeze | 15:09 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: yes +1 | 15:09 |
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| mriedem | methinks something should be in the dev list about the stable/kilo eol session | 15:10 |
| mriedem | i could take that todo i guess since i started the discussion | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:10 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to recap the stable kilo eol policy session in the dev ML | 15:10 |
| mriedem | moving in | 15:11 |
| mriedem | *on | 15:11 |
| mriedem | 3. co-installability requirements are holding us back | 15:11 |
| mriedem | the only action item in the etherpad was dhellmann wanted a PTL for dependency management | 15:11 |
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| mriedem | and no one raised their hand | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | we have a bunch of incremental improvements that folks signed up to help with for testing and the change to the way we sync requirements | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | and we have a few volunteer reviewers, who we're going to mentor for a few months and then revisit the ptl question | 15:12 |
| mriedem | ok | 15:12 |
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| mriedem | anything else on summit stuff? | 15:13 |
| mriedem | #topic status | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | we had a discussion about mailing list tags for release team stuff, including release announcements | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | we've been tagging releases from stable branches with [stable] | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if folks following that tag have the same complaint about noise as a result? maybe we should remove that? | 15:14 |
| mriedem | i don't have a separate folder for [stable] mail, | 15:15 |
| mriedem | i have one for [release] | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | oh, mriedem you weren't in the room for that, so more context: we had complaints about too many messages tagged [release] with release announcements, so we're going to pick a new name for that tag for automated messages this cycle | 15:15 |
| mriedem | but it's mostly a dumping ground | 15:15 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: yeah, that's a good idea, because i miss the actual emails about things we need to know about doing releases | 15:15 |
| mriedem | or schedules, etc | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | ok, so those will still be [release] and the announcements will be [something else], and I'm wondering if you want us to make the same change for [stable] on stable releases | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | we could change the tag, or just drop it since the series name is in the subject | 15:16 |
| mriedem | if it has [release] in it it doesn't matter to me | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:17 |
| mriedem | i'd probably just drop [stable] from those | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll make a note to do that, too | 15:17 |
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| mriedem | i don't really consume those, so i'm not a good person to ask though | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I'll confirm with tonyb | 15:18 |
| mriedem | thanks. passing the buck is really what i wanted for the outcome here on my part. :) | 15:18 |
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| dhellmann | consider it passed :-) | 15:19 |
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| mriedem | ok | 15:20 |
| mriedem | so we blew up the status part of the meeting, | 15:20 |
| mriedem | but i haven't really been watching status due to the summit | 15:20 |
| mriedem | all of the periodic jobs failed last night b/c of gate instability | 15:20 |
| mriedem | there wasn't anything new in the stable-tracker etherpad | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | where is that etherpad? | 15:20 |
| * dhellmann should know this | 15:20 | |
| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | ty | 15:21 |
| mriedem | ok, i don't have anything else | 15:22 |
| mriedem | end early? | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | I have nothing to add | 15:22 |
| mriedem | ttx: ? | 15:22 |
| mriedem | consider that done then | 15:22 |
| mriedem | thanks | 15:22 |
| mriedem | #endmeeitng | 15:22 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 15:22:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-05-03-15.00.html | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-05-03-15.00.txt | 15:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-05-03-15.00.log.html | 15:22 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 17:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
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| james_li | james li | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi james_li | 17:02 |
| Ablu | Hi | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi Ablu | 17:02 |
| james_li | hi dev | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-05-03_1700_UTC | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | lets wait for a minute and then we can get started | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. | 17:03 |
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| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 17:04 |
| vijendar | o/ | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | we have Ablu and james_li as well with us | 17:04 |
| vijendar | Hi Ablu james_li | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
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| Ablu | hiho | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | 1) pt_15 will be working with us over the summer as part of OutReachy internship. She will be focusing on getting Solum's Horizon plugin working again. | 17:04 |
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| james_li | Hi vijendar | 17:05 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: is that her interest? | 17:05 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: she has been working with us since november on possible things that she can contribute | 17:06 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: I had suggested the horizon plugin project for her internship | 17:06 |
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| james_li | just thinking if we have something more important :) | 17:06 |
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| james_li | never mind | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | I think that has immediate value to the project.. also she does not have to get into too much details of solum internals | 17:07 |
| james_li | I recall I saw a cool solum UI on the summit | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: I hear you.. just that, I think getting the horizon plugin working again is also very high priority | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: right.. that UI was actually rackspace's ui | 17:07 |
| Ablu | what is the "horizon plugin"? | 17:07 |
| Ablu | i mean what does it plug into horizon? | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu, good question | 17:08 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: ok | 17:08 |
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| Ablu | is that the ui part i saw in the video? | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: horizon is the project which provides dashboard capabilities to overall openstack.. other projects can define plugins which plug into horizon | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: horizon is openstack's ui project.. the one that you saw in the video is rackspace's ui | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: https://github.com/openstack/solum-dashboard | 17:09 |
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| devkulkarni | this is the horizon plugin code | 17:09 |
| Ablu | ok got it. thanks | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | second announcement is: | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Solum fishbowl session and the ci/cd talk were well attended. We got new folks who are interested in participating in Solum development and using it. | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | james_li I saw you in the audience | 17:11 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: that was a nice talk, impressive! | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: btw, you must have noticed that I had included your containment work in the slides | 17:11 |
| james_li | yeah :) | 17:11 |
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| devkulkarni | Ablu, vijendar: in the solum fishbowl presentation, the work on doing secure builds of apps and lps was originally done by james_li | 17:12 |
| Ablu | was that the video you sent me? | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: no, it is this presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/devkulkarni/solum-openstack-paas-alm-austin-openstack-summit | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | the video is here (the link seems not to be working for some reason) | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/application-cicd-on-openstack-building-a-solution-using-jenkins-and-openstack-solum | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | and btw, the rackspace ui that I referred to earlier was developed by vijendar | 17:14 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: it is working now | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | oh cool | 17:14 |
| james_li | 👍 | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | overall it was a great summit for me | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | james_li, vijendar: do you want to share your perspective about the summit | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | how did it go for you? | 17:15 |
| james_li | I was on call during the summit week, so missed some interesting talks | 17:15 |
| james_li | will watch those on line | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | ah i see | 17:16 |
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| devkulkarni | how about you vijendar? | 17:16 |
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| vijendar | it was busy week and mostly I was attending container/security related talks | 17:16 |
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| devkulkarni | vijendar: any interesting talks that you would recommend for the team to watch? | 17:17 |
| vijendar | container/docker security was interesting and relevant for us | 17:17 |
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| devkulkarni | vijendar: ok | 17:17 |
| vijendar | saw bunch of demos in the marketplace that are related to monitoring and alerts | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | ah I see | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: all the videos are online | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | james_li/vijendar: do you have the link where all the videos are there | 17:19 |
| vijendar | https://www.openstack.org/videos/ | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: but this one has videos from previous summits as well, right? | 17:19 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: right | 17:19 |
| Ablu | thanks. If I find some time the next weeks I will try to watch a few | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. lets move on to the next topic | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 17:20 |
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| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni) Follow up with the devstack team regarding devstack gate issue related to n-dhcp.log | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | Update: Synced up with dims during the summit. Will be following up with him to figure out a fix. | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | was there any other action item that you remember we had from before the summit? | 17:21 |
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| devkulkarni | alright | 17:22 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprints for Review | 17:22 |
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| devkulkarni | We have two new blueprints filed in the last week | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | 1) (mvle) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/unikernel-support | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | this blueprint is about adding unikernel support in building languagepacks and applications in solum | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | mvle was in attendance in Solum fishbowl session and also attended the work session afterwards | 17:23 |
| devkulkarni | he is interested in adding support for unikernels in Solum | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | I think this will be an awesome feature | 17:24 |
| devkulkarni | please feel free to add comments to the blueprint in the blueprint's whiteboard section | 17:25 |
| vijendar | +1 awesome feature | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: agree | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: please add comments to the whiteboard section of the blueprint | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | the second blueprint is towards deprecating plans and assemblies | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | 2) (devkulkarni) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deprecate-plans-assemblies | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | in a nutshell, we want to use apps and workflows going forward | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | getting rid of plans, assemblies, pipelines etc. is a big endeavor | 17:27 |
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| devkulkarni | it has the potential to introduce regressions in the code | 17:27 |
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| devkulkarni | so I think we should do this very carefully | 17:28 |
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| devkulkarni | first thing that I am thinking is to get rid of things from the cli | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | I have submitted a patch for this: | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311807/ | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | I will submit other patches to clean up the cli soon | 17:28 |
| Ablu | what is the difference between "plans and assemblies" and "app and workflow"? | 17:28 |
| Ablu | or... what does it mean at all? | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: good question.. it is a long story | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | let me quickly explain it | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | when we started solum back in 2013.. we started with using 'plans' and 'assemblies' as the abstractions to represent an application and a deployment of it | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | these terms were controversial from the beginning itself, but we went ahead with them nonetheless | 17:30 |
| devkulkarni | the main issue that team members had with these terms was that it did not capture the intuitive notion of how an app should be defined within a platform like solum | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni | so then in 2015 timeframe we worked on definining 'app' and 'workflow' as the abstractions for representing an application and its execution | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | since app and workflow were being introduced newly, our first goal was to get feature parity with what we had with plans and assemblies | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | in late 2015 and early 2016 we worked on getting this feature parity | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni | since we wanted to support both app and plans in the interim, the internal code of solum is bit involved right now | 17:33 |
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| Ablu | so it is a rewrite of the build and deploy logic? | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | not complete rewrite, but to the extent where it makes sense to simpligy | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | simplify | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | as I said, we don't want to end up in situation where the rewrite will cause things to break or introduce new bugs | 17:34 |
| Ablu | hm ok... I still not understand, but it is fine for now I guess :) | 17:34 |
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| devkulkarni | at the same time, it is very confusing for new contributors to try to wrap their head around plans and assemblies which are used a whole lot inside the code | 17:35 |
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| devkulkarni | Ablue: sure | 17:35 |
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| devkulkarni | any more thoughts on this? | 17:36 |
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| devkulkarni | alright | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Patches for Review | 17:37 |
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| devkulkarni | I have three patches for the team to review | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311807/ | 17:37 |
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| devkulkarni | 2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306580/ | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | 3) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306579/ | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | The first patch above is to get rid of assemblies from the cli | 17:38 |
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| devkulkarni | Later two patches are to make languagepack optional during registering an app in solum | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | this functionality is needed in situations where we want to deploy a prebuilt du | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | currently, to do a deployment, we need an app to be registered within solum | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | and an app registration needs a languagepack to be defined | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | but if someone wants to just deploy a prebuilt DU then there is no languagepack that they need | 17:39 |
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| devkulkarni | this was the use-case that ashishjain had in his poc | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | the use-case was — use Jenkins for continuous integration and building and use Solum for deployment | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | the video link that was shared earlier is about this use-case | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | the latter two patches add that capability in solum | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar, james_li: would appreciate it if you can take a look at all the three patches whenever you get a chance | 17:43 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni: sure | 17:43 |
| james_li | yeah | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Bug review | 17:43 |
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| devkulkarni | I filed a new bug this morning | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1577857 | 17:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577857 in Solum "support-building-app-from-public-docker-images" [Undecided,New] | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | this is about using a languagepack which is essentially an existing docker image in public docker registry | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | the need for this was voiced by Ablu and vijendar | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: do you want to provide more context on this? | 17:45 |
| Ablu | Well I did not really express a need... I was more wondering about the sense of language packs :) | 17:46 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: sure | 17:46 |
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| vijendar | recently I was working on a project to create a languagepack for nodejs app | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: :) .. but we just recently had a discussion on that same topic, so thought of registering the bug | 17:47 |
| vijendar | then I realized that there was a ndoejs docker container already available | 17:47 |
| vijendar | so I was thinking about using existing docker public registry containers as base image for creating app | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | makes sense to me | 17:48 |
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| vijendar | as you all know, there are lot of publicly available/tested docker images are there, so this feature will help in using them as base image | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | it will also lower the barrier for someone who wants to start using solum | 17:49 |
| vijendar | exactly | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | are there any other bugs that you want to discuss? | 17:50 |
| vijendar | none from me at the moment | 17:50 |
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| devkulkarni | ok | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
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| devkulkarni | Submission for Barcelona summit are due in early June | 17:51 |
| james_li | heh | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | let me know if any of you want to submit anything | 17:51 |
| vijendar | we just came back from a summit and getting ready for next summit!!:) | 17:51 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: :) | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | we should start brainstorming soon so that we can get an idea, a poc, and then submission | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: I think we should try to see if we can do something with regards to your use-case.. | 17:52 |
| devkulkarni | if the talk gets accepted, you will be able to attend the conference for free | 17:53 |
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| Ablu | well... it is still about 1500km :P | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 17:54 |
| Ablu | also i expressed my concerns already :) | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | same continent | 17:54 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: yes, I understand | 17:55 |
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| devkulkarni | any other topics to discuss today? | 17:56 |
| vijendar | solum devstack vagrant environment is very stable these days… thanks devkulkarni for your hardwork | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: oh nice.. good to know that | 17:56 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: did the env come up for you today? I know you were spinning it up earlier this morning | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni | were you able to build an lp and deploy an app? | 17:57 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: yes..I was able to build lp and app without issues | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni | nice !!! | 17:57 |
| devkulkarni | I am glad that we have a stable devstack environment now | 17:58 |
| james_li | 👏 | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li :) | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | I am hoping that pt_15's horizon plugin work will get us to a stable ui as well | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | then it will be more fun | 17:58 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. its about time | 17:59 |
| james_li | bye | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | thanks Ablu, james_li, vijendar for joining today | 17:59 |
| devkulkarni | see you next week | 17:59 |
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| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 17:59:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-03-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-03-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-03-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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