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| Abu | #startmeeting app-catalog | 05:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 05:12:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Abu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:12 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 05:12 |
| Abu | #topic rollcall | 05:13 |
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| Abu | #endmeeting | 05:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 05:13:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-05-05-05.12.html | 05:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-05-05-05.12.txt | 05:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-05-05-05.12.log.html | 05:13 |
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| mlavalle | Hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| vikram | hi | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 15:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr, carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Annoucements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| mlavalle | Welcome to Newton 1. | 15:02 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | It is only 4 weeks away | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | BTW, today's agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | ok... | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | Esentially we have the same 4 bugs we discussed during last meeting | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell) | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | I think the fix for this one is done... | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I think the unit test changes are looking pretty good. Just waiting on the patch to rip out allocation ranges. | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | you think wrong ;) | 15:06 |
| * carl_baldwin thinks tidwellr meant that in the nicest possible way. :) | 15:06 | |
| tidwellr | I did :) | 15:06 |
| * mlavalle agrees :-) | 15:06 | |
| tidwellr | I meant that I found more issues yesterday | 15:06 |
| tidwellr | I've got tempest tests to work on too | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312771/ | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Yikes. | 15:07 |
| tidwellr | getting closer though | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr: I updated the bug pointing to the 3 related fixes | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | that way we all have total visibility | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | anything else to say about this one? | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | nothing else | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on... | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | good job tidwellr | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:10 |
| pavel_bondar | This one has fix for the first part: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984 | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | any updates pavel_bondar? | 15:10 |
| pavel_bondar | and second part is still in my todo | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: do you want to have a look? ^^ | 15:11 |
| haleyb | sure | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | 300984 just needs a final nudge forward, right? | 15:11 |
| pavel_bondar | yes | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | anything else to report about this one? | 15:12 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566383 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566383 in neutron "The creation fip does not endure restarting of l3-agent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I believe haleyb just needs one more +2 for the 2 related patches... | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309592/ | 15:14 |
| haleyb | this turned-into a 3-patch "series" and is basically complete, just rebased middle one for oleg's comment | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll have a look this morning. | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309591/ | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you have the 3rd url handy? | 15:14 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302340/ | 15:14 |
| haleyb | that actually fixes the bug, others are setup | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | anything else to say about this one? | 15:15 |
| haleyb | not from me | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | cool... | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | The last one in today's list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1572474 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1572474 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Deadlock on simultaneous update subnet and ip allocation from subnet" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:16 |
| pavel_bondar | I have fix for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309067/ | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | nice! | 15:17 |
| * carl_baldwin looking... | 15:18 | |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: I just updated the bug with the fix url... | 15:18 |
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| pavel_bondar | mlavalle: thanks | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | any other comments for this bug? | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team that need to be discussed here? | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on... | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296603/ | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | This is ready to merge. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: wondering if you could knock it in. | 15:23 |
| haleyb | i will look | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | ++ | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Then, I can rebase the next one to get the db migration correct again. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | I've been making progress on the IPAM part too. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | We had great discussions at summit. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Lots of other work is being done by others too. | 15:25 |
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| johnbelamaric | Bummed I missed it this time. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: we missed you. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | I have one more thing. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone looking for routed networks low hanging fruit? | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | I thought someone could take this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312688/ | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | janzian: interested ^^^ | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | That person would be welcome to reset the author and change-id to make it his/her own. | 15:27 |
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| janzian | I can give it a shot if no one else wants it, looking at it now | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll try to identify some low hanging fruit from time to time. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | janzian: Thanks. You'll see that this fails with a circular import. There are comments with ideas of how to solve it. | 15:28 |
| janzian | Sounds good, thanks carl_baldwin | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all I have. | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:29 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:30 |
| vikram | hi | 15:30 |
| Na_Zhu | hi | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | the dumping of code out of the neutron repo looks complete | 15:30 |
| vikram | info: We have the new repo up & running ;) | 15:30 |
| tidwellr | we're putting it all back together in neutron-dynamic-routing | 15:31 |
| Na_Zhu | i am still waiting for the community update about neutron-*aas osc transition | 15:31 |
| tidwellr | I'm on pins and needles waiting for neutron-api to show up :) | 15:32 |
| vikram | We have identified the WorkItems to be considered with their respective owners @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bgp-spinout | 15:32 |
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| tidwellr | vikram: is there much else to report right now? | 15:33 |
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| vikram | Few of the review links needs review | 15:33 |
| vikram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310747/ | 15:33 |
| vikram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310749/ | 15:33 |
| vikram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310735/ | 15:33 |
| vikram | that's all from my end | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | vikram, tidwellr: thanks for the update | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | #Open agenda | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics to be discussed here? | 15:34 |
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| pavel_bondar | Switch to pluggable IPAM is now passing jenkins https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181023/ | 15:35 |
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| pavel_bondar | it contains 4 additional fixes in chain and ready for review | 15:36 |
| johnbelamaric | pavel_bondar: congrats! | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | I also want to request review time for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311640/ | 15:36 |
| pavel_bondar | johnbelamaric: thanks | 15:36 |
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| tidwellr | FYI I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1577572, this is related to north-south DVR and integration with routing protocols | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577572 in neutron "[RFE] Routing providers framework" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | take a look and comment if you have thoughts | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | Na_Zhu: I would pose that question rtheis. He may be able to help you | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:39 |
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| vikram | mlavalle: thanks for helping us out | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:39 |
| Na_Zhu | mlavalle: thanks, i already contact Richard, he did not join the Austin session, he let me wait for community update | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | Na_Zhu: ok, let;s take this to the Neutron channel. I think I saw an email thread yesterday. I'll try to find it | 15:40 |
| Na_Zhu | mlavalle: thanks your help | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: thanks, I'll have a look. | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | Thank you for attending. Talk to you all next week :-) | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks! | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 15:41:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-05-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-05-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-05-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | bye | 15:41 |
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| vikram | bye | 15:42 |
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| cdent | elmiko: have we got an agenda today? | 15:54 |
| elmiko | cdent: don't think we have an explicit one, aside from the regular | 15:55 |
| elmiko | etoews: ^^ | 15:55 |
| cdent | I may need to bail to go vote at some point | 15:55 |
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| etoews | cdent: elmiko: we do https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG | 15:55 |
| elmiko | ooh, interesting. uk vote? | 15:55 |
| etoews | we have a guest :) | 15:55 |
| cdent | yeah, it's just local stuff in my area today | 15:55 |
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| elmiko | cdent: very cool! | 15:57 |
| cdent | ah, turns out the polls stay open late, so I'm good to hang | 15:57 |
| cdent | the main reason people are turning out for this election is not because of the local candidates but to "send a message" upstream | 15:58 |
| cdent | loads and loads of people way honked with the tories | 15:58 |
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| elmiko | whoa, cool | 15:59 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | hi | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
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| leong | o/ | 16:00 |
| piet | howdy | 16:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
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| etoews | going to skip previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic usability study | 16:02 |
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| etoews | piet: please take it away | 16:02 |
| piet | That would be me | 16:02 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:02 |
| piet | OpenStack UX presented to the board this past summit and they suggested we engage w your team and see if there were any research needs | 16:02 |
| cdent | a) I think doing some kind of evaluation is a great idea but | 16:03 |
| piet | I went and give you slot within the next six months, but need to understand your needs | 16:03 |
| cdent | b) we need to be clear that the api-wg is concerned about APIs, not about client implementations against those apis | 16:03 |
| cdent | and that makes evaluation a lot more complex | 16:04 |
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| piet | We actually did a study on the OpenStackClient for Dean that was very successfully | 16:04 |
| piet | UX research doesn't need to focus exclusively in GUIs | 16:04 |
| piet | In that case, we gave operators a few tasks to complete in command line and took notes | 16:05 |
| piet | Helped Dean prioritize his efforts | 16:05 |
| etoews | piet: what do you envision as the result of this research? | 16:06 |
| piet | I need to do a deeper dive with the team to understand your specific focus | 16:06 |
| piet | Are you trying to build consistency across APIs? | 16:06 |
| cdent | that's definitely one | 16:07 |
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| etoews | piet: this will fill in a lot of blanks https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group | 16:07 |
| piet | Kk | 16:07 |
| etoews | of particular interest to you might be https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design | 16:07 |
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| etoews | that's where we record analysis of current design, mostly with an eye towards consistency | 16:08 |
| piet | A lot of times there is a huge value in having the opportunity to simply want folks use the different APIs with a specific set of tasks | 16:08 |
| piet | Kk | 16:08 |
| piet | I'll look today | 16:08 |
| etoews | i can see that | 16:09 |
| elmiko | a caveat about the current designs is that we didn't have a strong consistency about the project sampled. something we will change in the future (from notes at summit) | 16:09 |
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| cdent | piet the reason for my comments above is that many people use existing client code to interact with the apis and that client code abstracts away much of HTTP API itself, so unless we are observing people making requests without a pre-built client, we'll be evaluating the pre-existing client, not the actual HTTP API | 16:10 |
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| piet | So, we don't need to land on a specify kind of study now, but want to make sure we have you schedule for one of the slots | 16:10 |
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| piet | Is there someone on this team that can be a focal for me? | 16:11 |
| etoews | and if we ask people to talk directly to the api with curl or something, i guarantee you the first thing they'll cite is issues with docs. | 16:11 |
| elmiko | lol, so true | 16:11 |
| cdent | etoews: maybe that's okay? | 16:11 |
| etoews | yep | 16:11 |
| etoews | can't shine a bright enough light on that | 16:11 |
| cdent | piet, I'm happy to be the contact, I've got some background with HCI/UX/UI stuff | 16:12 |
| elmiko | etoews++ | 16:12 |
| piet | Yep, docs is consistently an issue in literally every study we've done | 16:12 |
| piet | cdent coolio - will reach out to you | 16:12 |
| cdent | I suspect of the three of us I'm also the most available | 16:12 |
| elmiko | most likely... | 16:12 |
| etoews | piet: i'd ask that you please keep the conversations as public as possible. we all hang out in #openstack-sdks if you need to reach out on short notice. | 16:13 |
| cdent | etoews is that true for you (I know it is for elmiko ) | 16:13 |
| cdent | etoews++ | 16:13 |
| etoews | cdent: that's true for me | 16:13 |
| cdent | Yeah, doing the planning and chatting via the mailing list and irc would be best | 16:13 |
| piet | Yeah, we typically create a wiki so everyone can comment | 16:13 |
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| cdent | It's probably true for me too, but I'm happy to take the hit :) | 16:13 |
| piet | I can also reach-out via IRC | 16:13 |
| etoews | piet: if you go the mailing list route just prefix the subject with [api] | 16:13 |
| piet | k | 16:14 |
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| etoews | piet: anything else you'd like to add on this topic? | 16:14 |
| piet | Cool - appreciate your engagement on this! Look forward to helping ya'll | 16:14 |
| piet | No - I think we're good | 16:15 |
| etoews | cool. thanks for taking the time to reach out. | 16:15 |
| cdent | yay! | 16:15 |
| etoews | #topic summit recap | 16:15 |
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| elmiko | thanks piet ! | 16:15 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-api-wg-session-plans | 16:15 |
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| etoews | let's try to make sense of the summit session and extract action items (to be put into https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg) | 16:15 |
| elmiko | cdent had a nice idea too, we should probably craft a recap email to the ml as well | 16:16 |
| cdent | That's seems to be the trend | 16:16 |
| etoews | agreed it's a good idea...that i personally wouldn't have time for. | 16:16 |
| elmiko | i could probably distill the etherpad down into an email, if i sent it monday does that work for everyone? | 16:17 |
| cdent | elmiko++ | 16:17 |
| elmiko | k, i'll target for that then | 16:17 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:17 |
| etoews | #action elmiko: recap summit session in email to openstack-dev | 16:18 |
| elmiko | the whole api-wg endorsed tag thing, seems like it could be a big design effort on our part. at least to figure out the metrics for inclusion. | 16:18 |
| elmiko | but would be a huge asset in the carrot/stick effort to get projects on-board | 16:19 |
| cdent | so the idea is that a project can declare "we follow the guidelines" | 16:19 |
| elmiko | something like that, yea | 16:19 |
| etoews | basically | 16:19 |
| cdent | and every now and again people would check, in some fashion | 16:19 |
| elmiko | and from the looks of it, thingee agreed to help out with the tag investigation side of it | 16:19 |
| etoews | but we'd need some hard criteria for that | 16:19 |
| cdent | or demonstrate | 16:19 |
| elmiko | yea, +1 for hard criteria | 16:20 |
| etoews | we were tossing around the idea of using gabbi to do so | 16:20 |
| elmiko | hehe, was just typing that | 16:20 |
| cdent | well part of the reason I made the gabbi-tempest thing is to make it easy for people to dynamically create tests against any service that is able to run in devstack (with tempest available) | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | it would be cool if we could have a gabbi template that contained the tests that a project would need to pass for compliance with the guidelines | 16:21 |
| cdent | so one way to do it would be for rather than us creating a set of tests that are generic | 16:21 |
| cdent | people instead create their own suite that people can look at to say "yup, looks good!" | 16:21 |
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| etoews | yep. | 16:21 |
| cdent | elmiko: I'm not sure that's possible | 16:21 |
| elmiko | i think they would need to create their own tests, but don't we need to tell them what tests? | 16:21 |
| cdent | aren't the guidelines us saying what the tests are? | 16:22 |
| etoews | "what tests" would be something of a spec | 16:22 |
| etoews | basically | 16:22 |
| elmiko | ok, so more of a descriptive document than something code-backed | 16:22 |
| elmiko | yea, good point | 16:22 |
| etoews | i'm envisioning a single doc that brings the guidelines together in a checklist fashion | 16:23 |
| etoews | projects implement tests based on that | 16:23 |
| cdent | that sounds good | 16:23 |
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| elmiko | etoews: +1 | 16:23 |
| cdent | does this mean that any new guideline should potentially add to that document as part of its patch? or should that happen separately? | 16:24 |
| etoews | i won't be surprised if it lends itself to further refinement of the guidelines. | 16:24 |
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| etoews | adding as part of the patch is probably best | 16:25 |
| elmiko | +1 for part of the patch | 16:25 |
| elmiko | and this probably requires a fix to the process doc as well ;) | 16:25 |
| cdent | I think the process doc is somewhat antiquate and doesn't adequately reflect our "mission" which has evolved somewhat and that's great | 16:25 |
| elmiko | hmm, interesting thought | 16:26 |
| etoews | i'm always up for less process | 16:26 |
| cdent | All I'm saying is that there are probably more than one fix that the doc needs | 16:27 |
| etoews | sure. no need to bite it all off at once though. | 16:27 |
| cdent | yup | 16:27 |
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| etoews | so should we create an issue for this in https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg ? | 16:28 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:28 |
| etoews | okay. i'll come up with something right now. | 16:28 |
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| etoews | please continue on with the summit recap | 16:28 |
| elmiko | ok, so yea, guideline tag was a big discussion point as it pertained to giving the wg a little more weight in the community | 16:29 |
| elmiko | better signaling from the wg was another big topic | 16:30 |
| elmiko | how can we more clearly inform when new guidelines are added, send more email , etc | 16:30 |
| elmiko | this dovetails with the conversation that cdent and i had about how much email | 16:30 |
| elmiko | and the community consensus seemed to be that a weekely "what's up doc" style email would be appreciated | 16:30 |
| cdent | besides thingee were there other cross project type folks there who had anything to say about "weight in the community" | 16:30 |
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| elmiko | yea, i believe devananda was quite interested in how the api-wg could have greater effect in the community | 16:31 |
| elmiko | there might have been a few more whose names i am forgetting at the moment | 16:31 |
| elmiko | some good suggestions came up about emailing CPLs when new guidelines are added | 16:32 |
| cdent | we have the script that adds them to reviews but this suggestion is for when they merge? | 16:32 |
| elmiko | also, targetted emails when an APIImpact tag has been applied. basically to help inform the project teams about that | 16:33 |
| elmiko | right, when they merge | 16:33 |
| elmiko | so, we make our weekly email, and maybe just CC all CPLs directly | 16:33 |
| elmiko | weekly email could have, guidelines in freeze, recently merged, apiimpact, and aob | 16:34 |
| cdent | if we do that it should be BCC otherwise the replay all goes crazy | 16:34 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:34 |
| cdent | but I'd much rather that the cpls just pay attention to the [api] tag on the ml | 16:34 |
| elmiko | yea, i think we all would ;) | 16:34 |
| cdent | my point is: if they don't, they don't get the tag... | 16:34 |
| cdent | s/don't/can't/ | 16:35 |
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| * devananda perks up, reads backscroll | 16:36 | |
| elmiko | devananda: we're recapping the summit session for api-wg | 16:36 |
| elmiko | so, another topic was improving the guidelines with more examples from the field, so to say | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i think this kinda fits into our design work | 16:37 |
| elmiko | maybe a way to link between the guidelines and the design, not sure | 16:37 |
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| elmiko | there was a strong suggestion to cleanup our specs landing page, basically to help people in seeing which links are placeholders and which have info | 16:38 |
| elmiko | i think we could definitely do more in this area | 16:38 |
| elmiko | we agreed to axe the 0000UTC meeting, and just move back to weeklies at the normal time | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i /think/ that covers most of it | 16:39 |
| cdent | The current specs landing page implies that all of the guidelines are a draft and that at some point the entire things is going to be "published" upon approval by the TC. | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i may be missing some details about our conversations surrounding the integration with other WGs | 16:40 |
| elmiko | ooph | 16:40 |
| cdent | Is any of that actually meaningful, given that we want people to treat the guidelines and rule, now | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | so, yea, it needs a rebuff | 16:40 |
| cdent | We need more participants | 16:40 |
| elmiko | that came up several times as well ;) | 16:40 |
| cdent | Or to actualized the observers a bit more | 16:41 |
| elmiko | i think that is closer to the truth | 16:41 |
| elmiko | we get great feedback, but when the collection plate is passed, no coinage =( | 16:41 |
| cdent | heh | 16:42 |
| elmiko | i think, this is why the tag talk came up. it's something concrete we can use with projects to help them. | 16:42 |
| cdent | that's the nature of our interrupt driven culture | 16:42 |
| elmiko | maybe help roust people | 16:42 |
| * cdent nods | 16:42 | |
| elmiko | right | 16:42 |
| cdent | It sounds like it was a really good session. | 16:42 |
| * cdent is very disappointed | 16:43 | |
| elmiko | yea, was really good. definitely missed your presence /sniffle | 16:43 |
| elmiko | etoews: that's all i have, did you want to add anything? | 16:44 |
| etoews | #action etoews: create issue for guideline compliance doc | 16:44 |
| etoews | done! | 16:44 |
| etoews | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1578728 | 16:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578728 in openstack-api-wg "Guideline compliance doc" [Undecided,New] | 16:44 |
| elmiko | nice! | 16:45 |
| etoews | elmiko: any action items to come out of the above? | 16:45 |
| elmiko | we do have some loose action items, but i imagine we will need to consider how we will go forward with them as action items. | 16:46 |
| elmiko | imo, we should talk next week after the email is out and we make a plan for acting on the issues | 16:46 |
| elmiko | like, increasing our email output, fixing the specs front page, gabbi testing, etc... | 16:47 |
| elmiko | i think we need to have stronger plans before we start making some action items | 16:47 |
| elmiko | oh, one thing i missed | 16:47 |
| cdent | elmiko: it sounds like in addition to your email summarizing the sesion, it needs to also needs to summarize this summary here :) | 16:48 |
| elmiko | we were asked to make a clearer message about how the APIImpact tag should be used and what we will do with it. | 16:48 |
| elmiko | cdent: haha | 16:48 |
| elmiko | i'll try to bring it all together | 16:48 |
| cdent | unless we have more horses in the race, I'm concerned that using APIImpact as a way to call for the api-wg to come visiting is going to lead to disappointment | 16:49 |
| elmiko | yup, we discussed that too | 16:49 |
| elmiko | basically, we need more engagement from CPLs | 16:49 |
| cdent | because I don't know about you guys, but that's one of the things that falls off the bottom of my to do list | 16:49 |
| elmiko | yea, for sure | 16:49 |
| elmiko | but, if we communicated to people exactly how we work with the APIImpact, maybe it would help bring folks to meetings | 16:50 |
| cdent | yes, very true | 16:50 |
| elmiko | so, instead of just fire-and-forget, APIImpact should be a way to help start a conversation with the api-wg | 16:50 |
| * cdent nods | 16:50 | |
| etoews | i also made the point that in many cases an APIImpact review is flat out difficult to review | 16:50 |
| etoews | if there are no doc changes, we have to wade through code just to understand the impact to the api | 16:51 |
| etoews | i think that'll get better now that api docs are moving in tree | 16:51 |
| cdent | yeah, good point | 16:51 |
| etoews | #action etoews: axe the 0000 utc meeting | 16:51 |
| etoews | done! | 16:51 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/313053 | 16:51 |
| cdent | huzzah | 16:52 |
| elmiko | hehe nice! | 16:52 |
| cdent | etoews: I think you missed a bit, left a comment | 16:53 |
| etoews | cdent: elmiko: did we want to go weekly? | 16:53 |
| elmiko | etoews point about the reviews was good too, we discussed having better commit messages to help direct api reviews | 16:53 |
| elmiko | etoews: i thought we had agreed to that | 16:53 |
| etoews | my brain was probably somewhere else at the time | 16:54 |
| etoews | will fix | 16:54 |
| elmiko | heh, i know the feeling ;) | 16:54 |
| cdent | I reckon even if we don't have specific things on the agenda, having the slot will give us workshopping time that is reserved | 16:54 |
| cdent | that might be useful to me (I'm struggling with the discovery that I need to be better at timeboxing, makes me sad) | 16:55 |
| elmiko | yea.. having a schedule is so.... restrictive ;) | 16:56 |
| etoews | that's exactly want out of it too. | 16:56 |
| etoews | less TODOs and more work during the meeting | 16:56 |
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| etoews | i definitely have a finite amount of time i can commit to the api wg | 16:57 |
| etoews | need to make the most of it | 16:57 |
| cdent | we should totally find someone who has infinite time to commit, they'd get so much done | 16:57 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:57 |
| etoews | no doubt | 16:57 |
| etoews | :) | 16:57 |
| * cdent loves idiom | 16:57 | |
| etoews | anything else? | 16:58 |
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| cdent | I think the "else" will come in response to elmiko's forthcoming email (which I'm told is going to be _amazing_). | 16:59 |
| elmiko | nothing here | 16:59 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:59 |
| elmiko | no pressure though, right? | 16:59 |
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| etoews | yep. i heard it's going to be amazing too. | 16:59 |
| etoews | :) | 16:59 |
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| elmiko | lol | 16:59 |
| etoews | elmiko: feel free to link to that new compliance issue | 16:59 |
| elmiko | "it was the best of times, it was the APIImpact of times..." | 17:00 |
| etoews | just as an early signal to the community | 17:00 |
| etoews | we're done! | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 17:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-05-05-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | etoews: ack, will do | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-05-05-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-05-05-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | Hey - anyone here for the app catalog meeting today? | 17:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | pvaneck: hey there :) maybe no point in meeting if it's just the two of us today | 17:07 |
| docaedo | At some point I meant to push this meeting back a week anyway, expecting people would be swamped and crazy busy the week after the summit | 17:07 |
| pvaneck | docaedo: sure, thats fine | 17:09 |
| docaedo | thanks for showing up - try again next week haha | 17:10 |
| pvaneck | :) | 17:10 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 18:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 18:58:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:58 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 18:58 |
| shamail | Hi everyone! Who’s here for the Non-ATC Recognition meeting today? | 18:58 |
| shamail | ping dc_mattj | 18:59 |
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| dc_mattj | hola | 18:59 |
| shamail | How was your trip back? | 18:59 |
| shamail | I think it’s only us today so we might have no choice but to defer until next week. | 18:59 |
| dc_mattj | was ok - jetlag big time this week though | 18:59 |
| shamail | I’m sure! | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | lol no worries | 19:00 |
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| shamail | JP said that he had to handle some things at work so he won’t be able to make it | 19:00 |
| shamail | I think most people are still catching up from being out last week. | 19:00 |
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| dc_mattj | sounds plausible - I'm the same this week | 19:00 |
| shamail | I guess i’ll see you next week? | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | yup | 19:00 |
| dc_mattj | see you then :) | 19:01 |
| shamail | Please look at the agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition and make any changes as you see fit | 19:01 |
| dc_mattj | will do | 19:01 |
| shamail | Take care! | 19:01 |
| dc_mattj | you too | 19:01 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nonatc/2016/nonatc.2016-05-05-18.58.html | 19:01 |
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| maishsk | Anyone here for non ATC meeting? | 19:15 |
| pholland | I'm here, but I think shamail left earlier since there was little attendance following last week's OpenStack Summit | 19:16 |
| maishsk | ok | 19:19 |
| maishsk | and I was late :( | 19:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops_guide | 20:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 20:29:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:29 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 20:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 20:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the ops guide/ arch guide meeting? | 20:29 |
| njohnston | hello | 20:29 |
| vhoward | o/ | 20:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi there :) | 20:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | @darrenc you there? | 20:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like there aren't many of us here but let's go ahead and get started | 20:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Summit debrief | 20:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-docs-newtonplan | 20:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | the updates for the ops/arch guide are at the top of the etherpad | 20:32 |
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| njohnston | cool | 20:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Docs-ops-guide | 20:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | This is the etherpad from the ops guide meeting we had | 20:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ops Guide | 20:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | The RST conversion is completed and the ops-guide has been migrated to openstack-manuals | 20:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we can work on it from there | 20:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | Establish a list of operator tasks #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-arch-tasks | 20:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we need to continue to find Ops volunteers to help | 20:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | We definitely need volunteers to attend ops meetings | 20:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Operators_Tag_Group_Meeting | 20:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | We also need to find volunteers to to identify outdated content or content to be removed | 20:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | Feedback should be added to #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 20:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | is that something anyone wants to volunteer to help do? | 20:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | I was going to start looking at it tomorrow and next week | 20:37 |
| vhoward | sure i can jump in there with you | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks that would be helpful | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | we need all the help we can get | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats really all on the ops guide | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | we need to kind of find out whats overlapping between the arch and ops guides to | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | too* | 20:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | so yeah we can work on that and then maybe have some sort of update in 2 weeks | 20:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok next | 20:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Arch Guide | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Arch Guide (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 20:39 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Spec in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311998/ | 20:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | We need to find architects to review the spec | 20:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | and identify content that can be reused from the previous guide | 20:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hopefully next week i will be able to spend some time on some of this stuff | 20:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | I don't have much else | 20:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | does anyone have anything to add? | 20:42 |
| DevonBoatwright | hi | 20:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi DevonBoatwright | 20:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for joining! | 20:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we might have some confusion with time it seems? | 20:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | I put the ICS file into my calendar and 4:30 PM ET came up | 20:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | its suppose to be 2130 UTC | 20:43 |
| DevonBoatwright | Well, every meeting I have come to has been at 530. ;) | 20:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | daylight savings was when? | 20:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok let me double check the ICS file | 20:44 |
| DevonBoatwright | LOL.. it doesn't really matter, unless we're the only ones here.. | 20:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | can someone else double check : http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Operations_Guide_and_Architecture_Design_Guide_Team_Meeting | 20:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | just click on the ics file for this meeting | 20:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | see what comes up for time | 20:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | grrrr the converted time shows 5:30 | 20:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | ics file shows 4:30 | 20:46 |
| njohnston | 4:30 EST, but 5:30 EDT | 20:46 |
| DevonBoatwright | it says converted time in DC is 530 when I check it | 20:46 |
| DevonBoatwright | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=21&min=30&sec=0 | 20:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and we are in EDT now | 20:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | so the ICS file needs to be updated | 20:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | and thats what i use | 20:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | :\ | 20:47 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hm | 20:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok lets meet back again at the right time | 20:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry guys | 20:48 |
| DevonBoatwright | OK.. today at 530? | 20:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | I am reaching out to DarrenC and lets get that ICS file updated | 20:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | so it's not confusing | 20:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | my bad | 20:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 20:49 |
| DevonBoatwright | What am I going to do with all this free time I have now? heehee | 20:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | hahaha | 20:49 |
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| DevonBoatwright | ok. "see" you at 5:30! | 20:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright see y'all | 20:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 20:50:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-20.29.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-20.29.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-20.29.log.html | 20:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 21:29:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:29 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 21:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry about the confusion earlier | 21:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello! | 21:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here from the ops guide/arch guide group | 21:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi DevonBoatwright | 21:30 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Is it just us? | 21:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | im not sure | 21:31 |
| shaunom | Its very quiet. | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here? | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi shaunom | 21:31 |
| shaunom | Hi ShillSaebi | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here for the ops/arch guide meeting? | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like its the 3 of us | 21:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | lets go ahead and get started | 21:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Summit debrief | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit debrief (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:34 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-docs-newtonplan | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | these are the deliverables for Newton | 21:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | you can see the ops/arch guide section at the top | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Docs-ops-guide | 21:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | So the RST conversion has been completed and the ops-guide has been migrated to openstack-manuals | 21:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | we should establish a list of operator tasks #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-arch-tasks | 21:36 |
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| rstarmer | OpsGuid discussion? Sorry I joined late, I've got poor connectivity this week. | 21:38 |
| shaunom | So we have started a review for the blueprint arch-guide-restructure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311998/ | 21:38 |
| rstarmer | shaunom: there's a lot to review, I hope to be able to get through it this week :) | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello yes | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for joining | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | We're also looking for volunteers to to identify outdated content or content to be removed... | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | Feedback can be added to #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 21:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | I hope to carve some time out next week to work on some of this stuff | 21:40 |
| DevonBoatwright | I can help with that, too | 21:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome! thanks @DevonBoatwright | 21:42 |
| rstarmer | during the summit we discussed trying to get to a "task focused" view of operations, possibly with tags to correlate data into the chapters that Shaun and Darren pulled together during the friday meetup at the summit. | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | DarrenC is currently in an internal meeting but should be joining here in a couple of minutes | 21:42 |
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| shaunom | I am busy with and update that explains the chapter structure a little better, will hopefully provide more clarity. | 21:44 |
| shaunom | I would like to discuss the tagging idea further. | 21:44 |
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| rstarmer | shaunom: I'm happy to review as you get something together. I'm finding I have about an hour these days to try to contribute. | 21:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ditto | 21:46 |
| shaunom | rstarmer: Thats great, I have had a fair bit of airline time to think during the last week. | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | nice | 21:46 |
| rstarmer | tagging is something that I still feel can be useful, especially if we can define a set of obvious tags for things. even if there's no real support in the web ui (as there was apparently at one point for tags at the project level), it would be useful as a piece of the backend to pull topics into multiple "example" streams. | 21:46 |
| shaunom | +1 | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 21:48 |
| darrenc | hi everyone | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi darrenc | 21:48 |
| * darrenc reads backwards | 21:48 | |
| ShillaSaebi | welcome! | 21:48 |
| darrenc | sorry, can you explain what you mean by tagging? | 21:49 |
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| shaunom | The basic idea is to associate information across the various guides by utilising a searchable tagging mechanism. | 21:50 |
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| rstarmer | what shaunom: said :) | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah and that was to replace the TOC right? | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | or would it be in addition to it | 21:51 |
| rstarmer | even if we can't search for tags, they could be useful for grouping task based chunks into topic areas | 21:51 |
| rstarmer | yeah, and there might be a hierarchy that comes out of that | 21:51 |
| shaunom | IMO it wouldn't replace the TOC | 21:51 |
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| shaunom | but support it. | 21:51 |
| rstarmer | for example, you could have solution tags, that might be equivalent to a TOC, and then task area tags, that woudl fit under a solution | 21:52 |
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| rstarmer | e.g. public vs. private solutions, and compute scale vs. multi-hypervisor support tags as part of the compute domain | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah that makes sense | 21:52 |
| darrenc | yep ok | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 21:53 |
| rstarmer | I agre, you'd still want a general table of contents, basically waht's in the etherpad ATM. | 21:53 |
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| shaunom | yup | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:54 |
| rstarmer | if someone wants to describe an operational task, e.g adding logging to compute instances, that might get a public, and private tag, along with a compute tag, and a hypervisor specific tag, like kvm or vmware. | 21:54 |
| rstarmer | and a logging tag. | 21:54 |
| rstarmer | then someone interested in logging would be able to search for (or we might have to do some fancy work on the backend baring a seacrh process) to look at all the logging related tasks, and at somepoint, if filtering system was in place, if someone determined something was only useful for private vs. public clouds, you could exclude tasks that were likely not useful for a particular operating type | 21:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:55 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i like the way this is going | 21:56 |
| darrenc | right, so we would have a bunch of meta tags in our source files | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:56 |
| rstarmer | initially, I'd just suggest we incorporate a tag strucutre, based initially on the TOC to each task that gets creatd, we can see if there's already enough flexability in the only documentation presentation engine to do specific search/filtering capabilites. | 21:56 |
| rstarmer | yep | 21:57 |
| shaunom | +1 | 21:57 |
| darrenc | We would need to talk to Andeas Jaeger or Christian about that | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:59 |
| shaunom | Should we start a etherpad on the topic? | 21:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure we can do that | 21:59 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:59 |
| shaunom | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-tagging | 22:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool thanks! | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | once we get some content in here, we can send this off to Andreas and Christian for approval? | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | or should we do it beforehand | 22:03 |
| darrenc | I think gather our thoughts on the etherpad, then mention it on the docs mailing list | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can do that | 22:04 |
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| darrenc | If we get consensus on this, then we or Andreas can draft a spec to implement changes | 22:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 22:05 |
| darrenc | I don't think we'll get anyone opposing this | 22:05 |
| shaunom | I am in Germany for the next two weeks, so I can also try and touchbase with him in his timezone. | 22:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh sweet | 22:06 |
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| shaunom | On a different point, and coming back to the TOC for the arch guide. | 22:07 |
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| shaunom | I am going to push another patch to the review with a bit more explanation base on the feedback so far. | 22:07 |
| shaunom | Are the any questions I can answer now? | 22:08 |
| shaunom | *there | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | i cant think of any as of right now | 22:08 |
| DevonBoatwright | No questions from me | 22:08 |
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| darrenc | none from me | 22:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 22:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | is there anything else anyone wants to bring up | 22:10 |
| shaunom | not from me | 22:10 |
| darrenc | did we discuss finding other ops volunteers to help with the ops guide? | 22:10 |
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| darrenc | I think put the call out on the ops mailing list | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah we need to | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | so DevonBoatwright and I have tried in the past | 22:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone else want to give it a shot? heh | 22:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | might have better luck | 22:12 |
| DevonBoatwright | Yea, no one really answered it, did they? :( | 22:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | nope | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh | 22:13 |
| shaunom | I can try asking internally, but no promises. | 22:13 |
| darrenc | another thing we discussed at summit was attending the ops meetings | 22:13 |
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| darrenc | It would be a good opportunity find volunteers | 22:15 |
| darrenc | to* | 22:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can add it to our cal and try to join | 22:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok anything else anyone wants to bring up for this week? | 22:16 |
| darrenc | yep, sounds good | 22:16 |
| DevonBoatwright | I don't mind joining, too | 22:17 |
| darrenc | well, I'm not clear on what our approach with the ops-guide should be? | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome thanks @DevonBoatwright | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think we were suppose to go through the ops and arch guide to find duplicate info | 22:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | and then also identify outdated info | 22:18 |
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| darrenc | Ok, so perhaps we ask for volunteers on the mailing list for help | 22:20 |
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| darrenc | and everyone can jot their thoughts in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 22:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 22:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | hopefully we'll get some volunteers! | 22:21 |
| darrenc | and we can look at the etherpad at our next meeting | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have some others too that are willing to help | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | Vic and Nate | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | but I sent them the wrong cal invite from the ics file | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | my bad :\ | 22:21 |
| DevonBoatwright | lol | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | so hopefully that wont happen for the next wknd | 22:21 |
| darrenc | and then create bugs or work items list for all the changes | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 22:21 |
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| darrenc | Ok, I'll send a message on the ops and docs mailing list | 22:22 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok, I have an appt so I need to leave. | 22:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok cool sounds good | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | well we are about out of time | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyone for joining | 22:25 |
| DevonBoatwright | See yall. | 22:25 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks Shilla! | 22:25 |
| rstarmer | thanks! | 22:25 |
| shaunom | Thanks | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks all! | 22:25 |
| darrenc | thanks | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 22:25:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-21.29.html | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-21.29.txt | 22:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-05-05-21.29.log.html | 22:25 |
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