Thursday, 2016-05-19

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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient13:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 13:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)"13:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'13:01
dtroyerAnyone here for our first new-time meeting?13:01
dtroyer\o/  I am not alone! ;)13:02
dtroyerwhich means that my even/odd week math finally worked13:02
dtroyerwell, let's start and see if anyone else shows up13:04
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dtroyer#topic reviews13:04
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dtroyeranything to talk about rtheis?13:04
dtroyerright… I am concerned about not breaking (or un-breaking?) non-table formatters here13:06
rtheisshould we drop most formatting if non-table?13:06
dtroyerreedip_: hi13:06
dtroyerrtheis: maybe so?13:06
dtroyerpart thinking in that case, especially for JSON, is that it's likely to be machine read anyway13:07
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amotokifrom my experience, if json format is specified, there is no need to use a formatter.13:07
rtheisdtroyer, yeah which makes me think we should format dicts or list as we do13:08
dtroyerI've been down this path before, wanting to teack cliff to know the difference...13:08
rtheisyep, that's the one I was thinking about13:09
dtroyerthat provides a way for us to know when to skip it altogether, and I think takes care of my worries13:09
dtroyerI'll see if dhellmann, stevemar, etc will have another look at it13:10
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rtheissounds good13:10
amotokii like the flag :)13:10
dtroyerok, other reviews?13:11
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rtheisnone from me13:11
dtroyerI am still a bit behind, my apologies, the osc-lib work has soaked up a lot of time13:11
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dtroyer#topic bugs13:12
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dtroyerI am even further behind on culling the bug list, does any need priority attention?13:12
rtheisI don't recall any critical bugs13:13
reedip_none from my end13:13
dtroyerok, so then we move on13:14
dtroyer#topic osc-lib13:14
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dtroyerWe have officially added the osc-lib repo to the OpenStackClient project, it is populated and I've started pushing in the initial changes13:15
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rtheisdtroyer: sorry, I haven't had much time to review that work13:15
dtroyerI've been a little free with approving stuff for a couple of days, but it's time to get back to the usual two +2 to merge now, as from here on more of the work will have opinions attached to it13:16
rtheissounds good13:16
dtroyerthe shell refactor does more than I would have liked, but the tests were a mess to begin with13:17
* dtroyer looks in mirror13:17
dtroyerI do have an OSC branch that is tracking this work13:17
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dtroyermy plan is to not merge any osc-lib bits into OSC until we are working on the 3.0 stuff13:19
dtroyerany questions on osc-lib?13:19
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rtheisso we need to be aware of dual maintenance until then?13:20
dtroyerI'm trying to keep an eye on that… for example, I've already taken bits of Navid's ksa patch into osc-lib13:21
rtheisok, I'll keep an eye out too13:21
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dtroyerfortunately, the bulk of the work was copy + s/// so it'll be easy to port stuff over13:22
dtroyerClientManager and OpenStackShell are the two major exceptions13:22
dtroyerok, if nothing else…13:23
dtroyer#topic releases13:23
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dtroyerI think we are going to be able to stick to the tentative release schedule we talked about in Austin13:24
dtroyerwhich is basically do 2.5.0 before the end of May13:24
dtroyerand 3.0 before N-2, which IIRC is in late June13:24
rtheissounds good13:25
rtheisis there a list of TODOs being tracked to handle in 3.0?13:25
dtroyer3.0 will include the package name change (from python-openstackclient to openstackclient), osc-lib, the floating/fixed ip commands, and other smaller breaking-ish things13:25
dtroyer#action dtroyer to put the list of 3.0 bits into etherpad13:26
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rtheisthanks dtroyer13:26
amotokiwhat is the background of renaming to openstackclient?13:26
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dtroyerthe 'python-' prefix is generally used for libraries, which is why the project lcient packages have it.13:27
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dtroyerWe just copied them without realizing that a stand-alone command should not have it13:27
amotokiagree. we don't need to care how CLI is implemented.13:27
dtroyerwe're not planing to rename the repo, just the package published to PyPI13:27
tangchen_Hi, guys, I'm late.13:28
dtroyerwelcome tangchen_!13:28
rtheishi tangchen_13:28
dtroyeroh, the other major thing I didn't list for 3.0 is the ksa/auth rework13:29
dtroyertotally getting ksc out of the auth picture, it'll only be used in OSc for the identity CRUD13:29
dtroyer(this iss Navid's patch I referred to earlier)13:30
dtroyer#topic open discussion13:30
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dtroyerWhat else do y'all want to talk about?13:31
Na_i create a new bp today13:31
tangchen_I'd like to ask something neutronclient13:31
tangchen_Oh, yes13:31
tangchen_Na_ asked me about it today.13:31
Na_i want to know is there any plan about neutron-*aas CLIs transition13:32
dtroyerNa_: what do you need from OSC to do that work?13:32
rtheisNa_: those currently belong in python-neutronclient13:32
rtheisas OSC plugins13:32
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amotokiwe will have osc plugins for neutron service commands13:32
dtroyerMy understanding is that those are all plugins that will be in either neutronclient repo or independant13:32
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Na_rtheis: the patch you submit about add osc plugin to neutronclient has no update for about 2 weeks13:32
dtroyerok, seems like we all have the same understand there13:32
amotokiwe will plan to have them in python-neutronclient repo now.13:33
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rtheisNa yes, I haven't had time to get back to that.13:33
Na_rtheis: if your patch is not merged, i can not do next work13:33
amotokii must review it too.13:33
Na_rtheis: i need finished neutron-dynamic-routing CLI transition before N-113:34
Na_amotoki: pls, thanks13:34
rtheisNa_ feel free to take over the patch set13:34
amotokirelated to neutron stuff, btw, does anyone know the conclusion on discussion whether nova admin commands should exist in osc?13:34
amotokiif not, I'd like to ask it in -dev list.13:35
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Na_rtheis: ok, i need time to learn it13:36
dtroyeramotoki: I don't think that thread came to any changes in the current practice re separating admin out of OSC for the existing APIs13:36
dtroyerpolicy makes anything we base on the defaults subject to deployment change13:37
Na_rtheis: amotoki: tangchen_: thanks your help13:37
tangchen_Na_: np :)13:37
dtroyeramotoki: if you have a more specific question fro the ML, feel free to raise it13:38
rtheisamotoki: there is a patch set that one may consider admin currently in the queue:
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amotokidtroyer: thanks. I am wondering where neutron admin commands should go.13:38
dtroyerso far we are erroring on the side of inclusion for the existing APIs13:38
dtroyerso "things pertaining to the Network API go in the OSc repo, others are plugins" is my default response to that13:39
amotokimy current vote is same too.13:39
dtroyeralso, nothing vendor-specific goes into OSC13:40
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amotokiagree too. neutornclient repo already push out vendor stuff.13:40
tangchen_BTW, about the glanceclient13:41
tangchen_I asked glance team, and they agreed to start the work. :)13:42
tangchen_just for your info.13:42
dtroyergood news!13:42
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dtroyerglanceclient has been high on my list for SDK migration for a long time, due to the unique dependencies it has13:42
dtroyerwe can't merge any of that though until we have an SDK 1.0 release13:43
dtroyerwe have the network exception to that rule because it is all new work13:43
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briancurtindtroyer: i’m quite close to merging the compute refactor for what will turn into the 1.0 final API. i can do glance next if people want to get a head start on integration leading up to 1.013:44
dtroyerthat is great to hear briancurtin13:44
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tangchen_OK, but do we have any idea when will the sdk 1.0 release ?13:45
briancurtintangchen_: “soon” - i’m not doing estimates anymore13:45
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tangchen_braincurtin: Hi, I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you said about 1.0 final API13:46
rtheislooking for my list of todos for OSC network commands ...13:46
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tangchen_bgiancurtin: Is the work on the sdks side ?13:46
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rtheisSee "Overview Transition to SDK 1.0" for some of the things wee need to do on OSC side to handle SDK 1.013:46
tangchen_bgiancurtin, sorry for the name13:46
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tangchen_rtheis, bgiancurtin: OK, thx :)13:47
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dtroyerany other topics?13:48
tangchen_OK, I have nothing to say.13:48
rtheisnothing else13:48
amotokinone from me13:48
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dtroyerwell then, let's have 10 extra minutes to get a snack!13:49
dtroyerthank you everyone!13:50
tangchen_thx. :)13:50
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egafford#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 14:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is egafford. Information about MeetBot at
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egaffordHi all!14:00
PoornimaHi everyone14:00
egafford#topic News / updates14:01
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Poornimaoh chairman is egafford :)14:01
egaffordPoornima: true this time around.14:01
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* egafford has been writing up a spec for the next stages of the Great Image Generation Push. Hopefully I'll have those posted by next week. Other than that, bunch of reviews.14:02
egaffordWhat's everyone else up to?14:02
crobertsrhjust reviews for me lately14:02
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huichunReviewing patches this week14:03
Poornimareviewing patches for HDP2.4 and api v214:03
tmckayI have been consumed with other things, but hopefully soon I'll have more time for reviews14:03
mionkini finished research about launching kerberos with cloudera14:05
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egaffordCool; sounds like we should be able to crush our review queue handily at least. :)14:05
egaffordmionkin: Nice!14:05
Poornimaelmiko, o/14:05
elmikoi've been looking at the oozie hardcoded password bug, sadly it's going to require some heavy lifting to get it fixed14:05
elmikowe need to rewrite how we inject the sql file to create the passwords, so... it's going to take some time14:06
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egaffordelmiko: Yeah, looks like it's much deeper than most from the comments.14:06
elmikohey Poornima =)14:06
elmikoegafford: yea, i'm bummed about it14:06
egaffordNo action items from last time, so last chance for updates going once...14:07
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egafford#topic Review priorities14:07
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egaffordWe're starting to use this again to track higher-prio reviews, to try to speed along key features.14:08
elmikoack, will take a look14:08
egaffordDoes anyone have patches they believe should be on the sheet for expedited review?14:08
egaffordFor the minutes, the patches up for expedited review at the moment are:14:09
egaffordMapR failure at liberty.14:10
egaffordAmbari on Centos7 (Red Hatters take note :) )14:10
egaffordFix to remove config groups in Ambari on cluster scaledown.14:10
egaffordAnd finally Ambari-Hive integration.14:11
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egaffordSo if we do have time for reviews, those are good to hit (also any specs at this stage of the cycle, as that'll help larger features get in more reasonably.)14:12
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egafford#topic API v2 progress14:12
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egaffordelmiko: How's it going on the v2 front?14:13
elmikoslowly, but forward!14:13
egaffordThat's half of what we like to hear!14:13
elmikoPoornima and pgadiya have been making some progress on tackling the endpoint changes14:13
elmikoand iirc Poornima is looking into the job cancel fix next14:13
elmikoi still need to write some specs for the larger work14:14
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elmikoso, overall, slow but steady progress14:14
Poornimasince Rename job execution and templates endpoints is merged looking into Re factor cancel job process14:14
egaffordelmiko: Nice. Do you think the specs will likely start review in the N1 timeframe?14:14
egaffordPoornima: :)14:15
elmikoegafford: probably n2 is more likely14:15
egaffordelmiko: Seems reasonable. N1 is incredibly soon, btw (May 31- June 2).14:16
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egafford#topic Open discussion14:17
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elmikoand i have been swamped with internal stuff14:17
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egaffordelmiko: That seems to be the way of most of us who aren't vgridnev.14:17
egaffordAnything else to talk about?14:18
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PoornimaI have been facing issues while creating clusters any help / pointers to speed that will be appreciated14:18
elmikoi would like to talk about the oozie password fix, but maybe that would be better for when we have more mirantis folks around?14:18
elmikoPoornima: what issues?14:18
egaffordelmiko: Yeah, possible. We can talk about it now, though.14:18
Poornimaelmiko, the creature creation fails via dashboard14:19
tmckayPoornima, do you have specific errors from the dashboard or the sahara log?14:20
egaffordPoornima: What's the error message? (Is it "No valid host was found: not enough hosts available?" It is about 3/4 of the time...)14:20
elmikoheh, you guys beat me to it ;P14:20
tmckayif debug logging is on for horizon/sahara, there should be something useful there14:20
tmckayand is this a setup where a local dev instance of sahara/horizon is pointed at an openstack somewhere else?14:21
egaffordPoornima: Yeah, sadly the messaging in Horizon itself is way too brief to get a decent diagnosis most of the time. You always have to go to logs.14:21
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Poornimatmckay, egafford i have using devstack+sahara swpan with stack user14:22
NikitaKonovalovPoornima: what is the hardware spec for the machie you are running it on?14:22
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PoornimaNikitaKonovalov, its fedora2314:23
PoornimaRoot Disk160 GB14:23
PoornimaEphemeral Disk0 GB14:23
PoornimaTotal Disk160 GB14:23
PoornimaRAM16,384 MB14:23
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NikitaKonovalovok it looks like enough power to run 3-4 VMs14:24
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egaffordPoornima: Ah, are you trying to run devstack nested in a VM (from the name)?14:24
Poornimaegafford, yes14:25
PoornimaError: name: u'Cluster template' is not a 'valid_name_hostname' Error ID: 27d20577-9a53-4096-9c16-33321f16dc5314:26
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egaffordPoornima: Hm; that certainly seems more like an input validation error than a nested virt issue.14:27
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Poornimathis is the recent error which i encountered may be i need to dig deep14:28
egaffordPoornima: We definitely want to help, but does anyone have any other topics for the meeting? (Troubleshooting in #openstack-sahara is always an option. :) )14:28
Poornimaegafford, sure will come up with more insides :)14:29
egaffordPoornima: We can take a look at your inputs and see if we can understand.14:29
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Poornimathanks for the pointers14:29
elmikoi'm curious about how we might solve the oozie password issue14:29
tmckayoh, you can't use a space14:30
tmckaythe name of the cluster template has to be something that can be a valid hostname14:30
elmikoi'm thinking we will need to store the password in the keystore and keep a reference in the cluster object. but obviously, this will add a bunch to our internal model (i'm assuming we won't expose it through rest)14:30
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tmckayIf the name of the cluster is really "Cluster template" it won't work (unless I'm missing something)14:31
Poornimatmckay, so no space14:31
Poornimausing this guideline
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Poornimatmckay++ that helped the cluster was created14:36
egaffordPoornima: Hooray!14:37
Poornimaegafford, clap clap :D14:37
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egaffordelmiko: Are you thinking about a generalized keystore reference feature, or something really specific (do you think there's likely to be reuse?)14:39
elmikooh, i just meant the external key manager stuff14:40
elmikolike, we store the random oozie password with the key manager, record the id in the cluster object, then use that password when the create oozie mysql script is deployed14:40
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egaffordRight. That doesn't seem like a huge model change, though it does seem really specific.14:43
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elmikoyea, and we might need to repeat this pattern for other hardcoded pws14:43
elmikoi guess this may require a spec to address the fix correctly14:43
egaffordYeah, seems likely.14:43
elmikotoo much work, not enough time ... le sigh14:44
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egafford"This is a secret that is not personally a top-level field." does seem like it could come up again for sure.14:44
elmikoright, maybe some field in the cluster model for "passwords", which doesn't get exposed in the rest14:45
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egaffordSure sure; and then anything that needed it could just pull its key from the map.14:45
egaffordIt'd be a bit of a doc challenge to ensure folks used the right keys through the CLI, but doable.14:46
elmikoit may not even need to be exposed from the cli side. these are mostly internal passwords that are used to setup the services on the nodes.14:46
elmikoeventually we probably want to provide a feature for users to get access to those passwords14:47
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egaffordelmiko: Probably, but eventually may be a ways off.14:48
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egaffordAnything else for this meeting?14:49
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egaffordGoing once...14:49
egaffordGoing twice...14:50
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openstackMinutes (text):
elmikothanks egafford14:50
Poornimathank you everyone for your time14:50
egaffordBye all; thanks! o/14:50
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l314:59
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mlavalle#chair carl_baldwin15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle15:00
mlavalle#chair tidwellr15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr15:00
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mlavallehi everybody15:00
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mlavalleMeeting agenda is in our new shiny etherpad:
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavalleNewton-1 is just 2 weeks away15:02
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mlavalleany other annoucments from the team?15:02
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mlavalle#topic Bugs15:03
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carl_baldwinNot from me.15:03
mlavalleFirst up is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell)15:03
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mlavalle2 patchsets merged, right?15:04
mlavallethis one is pending, as far as I understand:15:04
tidwellryes, the unit and tempest tests have been adjusted to not assume any particular allocation stategey15:04
carl_baldwinThat was a lot of work.  Nice job!15:05
tidwellrI'm now seeing the following issue across various jobs ( with
tidwellrthis is failure showing up across different tests every time it gets checked by jenkins15:06
tidwellrstill working through that15:07
haleybtidwellr: i've actually seen that error before, tried a revert of the change but it didn't remove the failure15:07
tidwellrhaleyb: are you giving me the good news that my change isn't causing this? ;)15:08
pavel_bondartidwellr: when did you see it first time?15:08
tidwellrit's been showing up since I first proposed the patch15:08
tidwellras far as I can recall15:08
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haleybtidwellr: i guess so.  that failure has been intermittent for a few weeks for me, just can't reproduce it at-will15:09
tidwellrhaleyb: it seems to happen somewhere with every recheck on this patch15:09
carl_baldwinI've also seen it outside of the context of this patch.15:09
carl_baldwinhaleyb: Is there a bug already filed for this issue?15:10
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tidwellrthere must be something this patch does that exacerbates the issue, maybe we can learn something from diving in on this patch15:10
haleybcarl_baldwin: i think so, i'll look.  That error message was added in
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haleybi'll look in logstash too15:11
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tidwellrif we can get past this then we can get on with merging
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carl_baldwinThat'd be great.  I'll spend a little time looking in to this today.15:13
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tidwellrcarl_baldwin haleyb: thanks for the insights15:14
carl_baldwinhaleyb: Let me know if you find the bug.15:14
haleybhas 9.5K hits in logstash in last 24 hours15:14
tidwellrhaleyb: wow!15:14
carl_baldwinI think we need to bump this bug up in priority and call it a gate failure.15:15
tidwellrhaleyb: how much in the last 48 hours?15:15
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tidwellrwow, and I thought it was an issue introduced by the ipam patches I've been proposing15:18
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carl_baldwinOK, let's first make sure we know the bug number for this and then stick the logstash queries in there.15:19
carl_baldwinThen, I'll start looking in to it.15:19
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carl_baldwinMy quick search through launchpad didn't find the bug.15:19
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mlavalletidwellr: should we move on?15:20
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carl_baldwinhaleyb: let me know if I should file a bug.15:20
tidwellrI have nothing else to add15:20
carl_baldwinmlavalle: We can move on and take this out of band.15:20
haleybcarl_baldwin: i didn't find a bug either15:21
mlavalleNext bug is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117)15:21
pavel_bondarI have uploaded new version of patch recently15:21
pavel_bondarIt fixes the first part of the issue15:23
pavel_bondarTo address the second part (correct SLAAC deallocation) more discussion might be needed.15:23
pavel_bondarCurrently via update_port we can not deallocate addresses for auto-addressed subnets15:24
carl_baldwinI'll review this patch.15:24
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carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: why is that?15:25
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pavel_bondarCurrently and previously if auto_addressed ip is not present in fixed_ips list it is not deleted on update15:26
pavel_bondarthis worked this way for a while15:26
pavel_bondarso I am not sure that it is save to silently change this befavior15:26
carl_baldwinSo, the auto IP from the subnet being deleted is not passed in fixed_ips on update and so it isn't deleted?15:27
* carl_baldwin just trying to understand.15:27
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pavel_bondarprobably we can discuss it in main neutron channel later, I assume it will take a lot of time15:29
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: Could we take some time after the meeting to discuss this?15:29
pavel_bondaryeah, sure15:29
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: Let me know what time works for you.15:29
pavel_bondarin 1 hour from now15:30
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mlavalleok, we'll move on...15:30
mlavalleNext bug is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566383 in neutron "The creation fip does not endure restarting of l3-agent" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:30
carl_baldwinpavel_bondar: ok15:30
mlavallehaleyb: you are up15:31
haleybmlavalle: that series is in master, just doing backports now to stable/mitaka15:31
mlavallehaleyb: so I will remove it from our list, ok?15:32
haleybyes, we can remove from agent if it's there15:32
mlavallemoving on15:33
mlavalleThe last one for today is a new one:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1581918 in neutron "Sometimes DHCP agent spawns dnsmasq incorrectly" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)15:33
mlavallekevinbenton has proposed this fix:
mlavalleit seems ready to merge15:34
mlavalleanything else to comment?15:35
carl_baldwinI'll have another look at the patch set.15:35
carl_baldwinNothing more.15:35
mlavalleok, moving on15:35
mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:36
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irenabmlavalle: you skipped the RFE section15:36
carl_baldwinI feel like this is moving along well.  But, I've been distracted from it for the last day.15:36
carl_baldwinI did respin the Nova spec.15:36
mlavalleirenab: we'll go back to it when the routed networks update ends15:36
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carl_baldwinI think we need to let Nova know about the updates.15:37
carl_baldwinI also have a patch up for IPAM on create port with binding info15:38
carl_baldwinI think it is ready to go.15:38
carl_baldwinBut, we need mlavalle 's patch first.15:38
carl_baldwin... which I've failed to review for the last 24-48 hours.15:38
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mlavalleI addressed your comments last night. I also completed all the unit tests.15:38
carl_baldwinActually, the Nova spec has two more TODOs to flesh out.  On testing and documentation.  I wanted a little feedback from Nova on this.15:39
mlavalleNo worries, I introduced a small failure in the unit tests last night. I know what the problem is and I will roll an update in 1 hour or so15:39
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Thanks, I'll have a look today.15:39
carl_baldwinmlavalle: Ping me when the update is ready.15:39
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: will do15:40
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carl_baldwinAfter that, I need to complete IPAM when port binding info is first provided on port update.  I'm about half way through that, I think.15:40
carl_baldwinThat's all from me.15:40
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mlavalleok, moving on15:41
mlavalle#topic RFE's15:41
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mlavalleirenab: you are up. Thanks for the patience15:41
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irenabthank you15:41
irenabI wanted to provide short update on ▪
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged]15:42
irenabafter discussion with yamamoto, he did modification on this patch
irenabThe proposed way should both allow reference implementation keep the existing single FIP support and allow midonet plugin to allow multiple FIPs15:43
carl_baldwinirenab: I'll take a look.15:43
carl_baldwinDo you have a tl;dr summary?15:44
irenabRegardless of this fix, if the use case is interesting to other plugins, we may keep discussion at RFE and make the implementation more complete15:44
irenabBasically, it sets flag if to fail or not at validation phase15:44
irenabthe flag is to_fail by default and will be set to not_fail at midonet plugin15:45
mlavallethat makes sense15:45
irenabthis will allow existing integration to keep working, while we may provide more robust support in Newton15:45
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irenabPlease let me know how to proceed with RFE15:46
carl_baldwinirenab: My concern is that it is not discoverable.  But, maybe that's ok.15:46
irenabwith current fix, it will behave gracefully if not supported and we may add discovery in Newton. Do you agree?15:47
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irenabI think the current fix provides sort of win win :-15:48
carl_baldwinirenab: We'll take this to the patch.  I don't want to make this too hard.  Sorry if it has been painful.15:48
irenabcarl_baldwin: thanks, lets keep discussion there15:49
carl_baldwinirenab: ok, thanks!15:49
mlavalleok, for the sake of time, let's move on15:49
mlavalle#topic BGP Dynamic Routing15:49
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mlavalletidwellr: you are up again15:50
tidwellrthe only thing I had was a quick question regarding the process for handling RFE's15:50
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tidwellrwe're starting to see some RFE's related to BGP, and I'm sitting on a couple myself, perhaps I can take this offline with carl_baldwin15:51
tidwellrjust not sure what to do with them at this point15:51
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Na_tidwellr: About the CLI transition, no progress so far, but vikram and I taked with amotoki today, he will help to review Richard's patch about adding osc plugin to python-neutronclient, if this patch is merge, we can start the CLI transition work, moving bgp CLI from neutron to openstack.15:52
tidwellrwe've almost got the repository stood up with devstack and gate_hook in place, so we're almost ready to get rolling15:52
carl_baldwintidwellr: we need to make another pass at them.  Figure out which ones will require changes to the neutron repo and which ones are BGP only.  Then, prioritize.15:52
carl_baldwintidwellr: Maybe we can shoot to have them all in order by next week's drivers' meeting on Thursday?15:52
* carl_baldwin doesn't think he can help get them in order by today.15:53
tidwellrcarl_baldwin: sure, next week is fine15:53
tidwellrwe're not ready to get rolling with development in the repo quite yet15:53
carl_baldwintidwellr: Could you find some time to discuss it before then?15:54
tidwellrI have time15:54
tidwellrI should get my RFE's captured as well15:54
tidwellrNa_: thanks for the update15:55
tidwellrthat's all I had15:55
Na_tidwellr: Richard is busy, maybe we need to take over his patch if he still have no time this week. But I think, since the CLIs keep in python-neutronclient repo, we do not have to meet the target N-1  because it has dependency on OSC transition. It should align with OSC transiton's plan.15:55
mlavalleok, we'll move on15:56
mlavalle#topic FWaaS15:56
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mlavalleAnyone from the FWaaS team around?15:56
mlavalleHi :-)15:56
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SridarKWe are looking thru the spec that njohnston filed15:56
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SridarKneed some more time to have a model in place that we can discuss with u folks15:57
SridarKwe will shoot to have something for next week15:57
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mlavalleSridarK: ok, we'll keep you in next week's agenda15:57
SridarKmlavalle: thx15:57
mlavalle#topic Open discussion15:58
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mlavalleJust a couple of minutes left. Anything to bring to the team?15:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1525059 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for external vxlan encapsulation to neutron router" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Na Zhu (nazhu)15:58
steve_ruanNeed for review15:58
steve_ruanplease help, thanks15:59
mlavallesteve_ruan: do you have gerrit link?15:59
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steve_ruan4 patches,15:59
steve_ruanall link is attached this bug15:59
mlavalleok, thanks15:59
mlavallewe ran out of time15:59
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elmiko#startmeeting api wg16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_wg'16:00
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cdentdo we have any other participants?16:00
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elmikoexcellent question =)16:01
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elmiko#topic previous meeting action items16:02
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elmikosince we didn't meet last week, these are still good16:02
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elmikoi did mine, and i/think/ etoews covered his as well16:02
cdentyes, I believe he did16:03
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elmikohmm, need to groom this agenda slightly16:03
elmiko#topic guidelines16:05
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elmikois there anything we need to freeze?16:05
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cdentoh hey, there are new things there I hadn't seen yet16:05
elmikowe should just merge this
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elmikothat seems easy too, but i like the suggestion16:07
elmikoshould we put this up for freeze?
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cdentI've fixed 312971 in place16:09
elmikoah, excellent!16:09
cdentso we can probably merge that one too, if you liked to do those honors?16:10
elmikothis is probably ready for freeze as well
elmikook then16:10
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elmikoi think we should propose these for freeze, ,
cdenton metadata changes, there are still some unresolved comments on etag stuff, but maybe not worth fussing16:11
elmikoyea, we might as well put them up16:11
cdentyeah more eyes would be good16:11
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elmikodo you want to take the action or shall i?16:12
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elmikook, i'll take it ;P16:13
cdentsorry, I'm being a bad multitasker :(16:13
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cdentbut yes, if you could do the honors that would be great16:14
elmiko#action elmiko propose 301846 and 281511 for freeze16:14
elmikono worries, these are pretty low bandwidth actions for me16:14
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elmikothe other guidelines look like they need some work16:15
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elmiko#topic weekly email16:16
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elmikonot sure if we want to dive into this, but i wanted to mention it16:16
cdentagree that other guidelines need work16:17
cdentyeah, weekly email a) great idea b) hard to do16:17
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elmikoi wonder if we could start by coming up with a template or something?16:17
elmikomaybe annegentle would share some secrets learned from the "What's up doc" emails =)16:18
elmikowe're talking about the possibility of doing a weekly email from the api-wg. any advice you might have to share?16:18
annegentleI do think that ML post regularly does help, since people know they can look it up later for a point-in-time.16:18
annegentleI think you could have a simple 3-header template. Stuff in progress, stuff to think about and join in the discussion (needs input), status/done.16:19
annegentlethat's a terrible outline :)16:19
annegentlebut you hopefully get the gist16:20
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elmikodo you use a template with the doc emails?16:20
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cdentit's a good structure: simple, meaningful16:20
annegentleyeah it was simply a text file with headers16:20
annegentlesuper low tech16:20
elmikook, cool16:20
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elmikoshould we make a wiki page to iterate on the template?16:21
annegentleone thing lana moved to was a weekly etherpad update for everyone to add to by a certain day16:21
annegentlethen she can include that info in the weekly email16:21
elmikoah, nice. that's a good idea16:22
annegentleso for docs, it's a specialty team etherpad16:22
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elmikook, so now the tough question. do you want to take this or shall i? (cdent)16:24
elmikoprobably makes sense for me to drive it for now16:24
elmikounless you want it16:24
cdentelmiko: given your extraction I figured it would have to be me, but given my complete awash in resource providers it being you is nice16:25
* cdent is frusrated16:25
elmikook, i'll get the ball rolling then we can figure out who does the weekly mails later16:25
cdentso frustrated I'm spelling even worse than usual16:25
elmiko#action elmiko setup wiki page with some details about weekly email from api-wg16:26
elmikothat sound good?16:26
elmikoi'll incorprate an etherpad for suggestions and a template for the email16:26
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elmiko#topic APIImpact16:29
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elmikonot sure if we want to address anything, but i want to give for any reviews that lurkers may want to bring up ;)16:30
cdentI'm way behind on these16:30
elmikoand this is one of the points we have about clarifying how APIImpact is sued16:30
elmikoer, used16:30
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elmikook, then16:32
elmiko#topic open discussion16:32
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elmikoanything else we should discuss?16:32
cdentmaybe annegentle can give us a crash course in "how to remain engaged in a cross project thing and keep sane and get stuff done"16:32
elmikohaha, +116:33
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edleafecdent: no such thing exists :)16:33
cdentedleafe: did you just rise from the ashes?16:33
edleafenah, I've been popping in here while doing 6 other things16:34
cdentmusic plays, coffin opens, edleafe intones "sorry, mate, no can do"16:34
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elmikoshall we reclaim part of the day?16:36
cdentI promise to become a good api-wg-member asap16:38
elmikocool, take care, see ya next week o/16:38
elmikohehe, no worries =)16:38
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ivar-laz_ igordcard hemanthravi: hi18:00
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: do you expect any other folks from your team to join today?18:01
hemanthravithey won't be joining today...up late last few days for a demo18:01
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: sure np18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy'18:02
hemanthraviwnated to check with you if it'll be possible to move the call up for a few weeks18:02
hemanthravito accomodate the folks in india18:02
rkukuraearlier in the day?18:02
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: hi18:02
songoleSumitNaiksatam: hello18:02
rkukurahemanthravi: would work for me18:02
SumitNaiksatam#info agenda
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: i will check, lets do it when we absolutely have to18:03
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: otherwise its confusing to go back and forth18:03
SumitNaiksatamwere there any critical bugs that needed to be looked at?18:04
SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs18:04
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songoleSumitNaiksatam: would it be possible to have a convenient timeslot for this IRC so India folks also can join?18:04
SumitNaiksatamsongole: we just discussed that18:05
SumitNaiksatamone update - the new functionality for providing a fixed IP when launching a member has been merged to the UI as well18:05
SumitNaiksatamthanks to Ank in hemanthravi’s team18:06
SumitNaiksatamthat created an issue with member launch though in the stable branches18:06
SumitNaiksatambackport was incorrect, and it has been fixed18:06
songoleSumitNaiksatam: Can we discuss the issue with neutron flavors?18:06
SumitNaiksatamthats one critical issue i can think of in the last week, but its fixed now18:06
SumitNaiksatamsongole: sure, we are discussing Bugs right now18:07
songolethe issue is with service_profile resource18:07
SumitNaiksatamany other critical or high priority bugs that we need to look at?18:07
SumitNaiksatamsongole: okay, bug ID?18:08
songolewe need to find a way to have both to coexist..18:08
SumitNaiksatamsongole: can you post the link, the bot will automatically provide the bug title18:09
songoleI suggest that we rename gbp service_profile18:09
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1560717 in Group Based Policy " Flavors framework plugin is not loaded in gate job" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Subrahmanyam Ongole (osms69)18:10
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: looking18:11
SumitNaiksatamsongole: for the patch i posted, the devstack integration job seems to have worked fine18:12
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i have rebased the patch, lets see if it passes the gate18:13
SumitNaiksatamsongole: but if the devstack job passed the gate earlier, it means the loading and coexistence of flavors framework was successful, right?18:14
songoleHow is it supposed to work? does it give higher precedence to gbp resource?18:14
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songolewould I be able to use both?18:14
songoleneutron and gbp?18:15
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i would hope that the appropriate namespace for the resources should be able to deal with it18:15
SumitNaiksatamsongole: the gate devstack job will tell us if you can use the gbp service profile when the neutron flavors plugin is loaded18:15
songoleand the other way as well?18:16
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: you can add an exercise script to that same patch, and in that you can run neutron commands for the service profile and see if it works18:16
songoleSumitNaiksatam: ok. I will verify18:16
SumitNaiksatamsongole: that particular bug i created was merely to track loading of the neutron flavors framework, to validate that it does not in any affect the GBP service profile18:17
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: if we find that the two are not compatible (i.e. you cannot create a neutron service profile and/or use flavors framework), we should open a different  bug to track that18:18
SumitNaiksatamsince its a bigger issue18:18
songoleSumitNaiksatam: ok18:18
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: was there any other issue that you wanted to discuss?18:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1582457 in Group Based Policy UI "Member create UI should match nova instance create page" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to ank (ank.b)18:20
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i think you posted something regarding the mitaka UI (inconsistency of the member launch)18:20
SumitNaiksatamsongole: ah, right on cue18:20
SumitNaiksatamsongole: yeah, we need to fix that18:20
SumitNaiksatammoving on18:21
SumitNaiksatam#topic Packaging18:21
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i believe you had an update18:21
rkukuraI’ve been trying to track down the status of GBP integration into DeLorean, which seems to have been renamed DLRN, but am not having much luck18:22
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:23
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i belive you had earlier asked questions regarding this18:23
rkukuraI can’t find any evidence the work has been done, but I’m not sure I’m looking in the right places18:23
songolewe are building GBP rpms ourselves for now18:23
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay, and there was no pending action item at our end (that they might be waiting on)?18:24
SumitNaiksatamsongole: did you get past the entry point issue?18:25
rkukuraOther than specifying a 2nd maintainer, I don’t think so18:25
songoleyeah, we installed liberty and we built rpms for mitaka. that was the issue18:26
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songolewe are able to proceed with our testing18:26
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: nice :-)18:26
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:26
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: so you are the second maintainer, right?18:27
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I think I’m the 1st, and I said you would be the 2nd. Hope you don’t mind ;)18:27
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: oh okay, thats fine18:27
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: In general, ignoring details like DLRN, how imporant is it to get GBP into RDO?18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i thought you said they were building the package, so someone in their team was the first maintainer18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i thought our plan was to always to get into RDO, no?18:28
rkukuraI think they are setting it up and want us to take over maintaining it18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: but i dont know the relative priority, perhaps an offline discussion18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sure, its good to control our destiny in that sense18:29
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SumitNaiksatamok moving on18:31
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SumitNaiksatam#topic NFP18:31
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: shall we assess the progress since last week’s meeting?18:31
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hemanthravithere have been review comments18:32
SumitNaiksatamand, responses to the comments?18:32
hemanthravithe team was busy fixing some issues and posted patches for those. they will work on the review coments fri/sat18:32
hemanthravifrom my side i could only add the patch list to indicate the order, will be working on the desc and the devref18:33
hemanthravihope to finish these by mon18:33
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: thanks much for working on that18:34
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hemanthravidid go through the review comments and most of them should be addressed, will address the pending ones next week18:34
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: i had a quest in the sencond patch about duplicated db mixins (copied from neutron)18:34
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: magesh responded, but i dont see any changes in the code18:34
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hemanthraviSumitNaiksatam: will ping him today, he did say he'll address that18:35
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: okay thanks18:35
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: at what point could we take the series and deploy using devstack?18:36
SumitNaiksatamnot the whole series, but the minimal number of patches (as we discussed in the last meeting)18:36
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hemanthraviSumitNaiksatam: the current set can be deployed with devstack, only issue is that we won't be using couple of the patches which are related to configuring service vms18:38
hemanthravido we want to make it deployobale without those patches, i would rather avoid it unless absolutely necessary18:38
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: but i thought we were anyways working on a gate job which is going to use the namespace http proxy lbaas impl (no VMs)18:39
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hemanthravithe gate job will work with the current devstack installing all the patches18:40
hemanthravithe functionality in 2 of the current set will not be used for the minimal service vm18:40
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: hmmm, i thought we were adding an exercise script to the gate job which would test “base mode” (no service VMs involved)18:41
hemanthravii meant base mode...18:41
hemanthravinot service vm18:42
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SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: okay, so i am asking at what point can we test that base mode in our developer environments (i.e. using devstack)?18:42
SumitNaiksatamor can we already do it (and if so it will be good to get those instructions posted on the wiki page)?18:43
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hemanthraviwe can do that now, only missing the gate job18:43
hemanthravifor merging18:43
hemanthravicurrently base mode (namespace haproxy) and minimal service vm work with the submitted patches18:44
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: okay, so keeping gate job aside for a min, can you post the instructions for the above so that reviewers can try it out in their environments?18:45
hemanthraviwill do18:45
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: i would imagine that the gate job would also implement something similar to the instructions you plan to post, and will be ready in course of time18:46
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: apart from that addition to the gate job, the current series is breaking the devstack integration job18:46
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hemanthraviyes, will keep these in sync18:46
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: i posted a comment to that effect in the first patch, and what needs to be done to fix it18:47
hemanthraviok, will address that one. haven't seen it yet18:47
SumitNaiksatamhemanthravi: that fix should go into the first patch, so that the all the patches at least have a clean gate job run18:47
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SumitNaiksatamanyone have any questions for hemanthravi this week regarding NFP?18:48
igordcardnothing from here yet18:49
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay18:50
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: lets discuss your QoS patch next week, we might run out of time today18:50
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: okay18:50
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igordcardit's up now, able to create maxrate bandwidth limiting qos policies mapped to each of the PTs inside a PTG, by attaching a new kind of NSP to the PTG18:51
SumitNaiksatammeanwhile FYI - #link
SumitNaiksatamthats the QoS support patch on the feature/qos branch18:51
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: thanks18:52
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: thanks for the link18:52
SumitNaiksatam#link Intra-PTG communication18:52
SumitNaiksatamso there is a use case for disallowing communication between PTs in the same PTG18:52
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SumitNaiksatamthis typically happens when you want to provide a common service, like data backup, to all VMs18:53
SumitNaiksatamso if you can create a new group which has intra-PTG communication disallowed, you can add all members to this backup group (in addition to their original groups)18:54
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: I’m a bit confused - I thought a PT could only belong to one PTG18:55
SumitNaiksatamto facilitate this a boolean attribute has been requested in the PTG definition, to disallow Intra-PTG communication18:55
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thats true, but a member can be associated with multiple PTGs18:56
rkukurawhat is “a member”?18:56
rkukuraa PT?18:56
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: good question18:56
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: today the member definition resides in the clients which exercise the GBP api (its not within the GBP model)18:57
SumitNaiksatamso if you go to the GBP UI today, you create a member in the context of a group (the user doesnt create a PT)18:57
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Is the member the VM? And do you mean it can have multiple NICs attached to ports belonging to different PTs18:58
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: right18:58
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SumitNaiksatamand when you create the member, you are obviously in the context of one PTG, but you can associate additional PTGs as well18:58
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: which in turn plays out like you described18:58
SumitNaiksatamI will put the details in a spec and send it out for review18:59
SumitNaiksatamjust wanted to set the context here18:59
rkukuraOK, hopefully with the right one providing the VM’s default route18:59
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yes, that needs to be handled correctly19:00
SumitNaiksatamall right, we are out of time, thanks all for joining19:00
SumitNaiksatamsee you next week19:00
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shamail#startmeeting nonatc19:02
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shamailHi everyone.  Who’s here today?19:02
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shamailThis might be a quick meeting.  :-)19:02
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MeganRo/ - but also on a Webex, so slower to respond19:03
shamailping dabukalam19:03
shamailHi Megan!19:03
shamailLet’s give this a few minutes… if it is just us then we can defer to next week.19:03
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shamailThe agenda would still be relevant19:03
MeganRsounds good19:03
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shamailAlright, I will go ahead and end the meeting for today.  I will make sure to send out a reminder for the meeting next week (I think that still helps).19:05
shamailThanks for joining MeganR19:05
MeganRyw - thank you for the quick meting  :)19:05
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shillasaebi#startmeeting ops_guide20:33
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shillasaebianyone here for the ops guide20:34
shillasaebihi DevonBoatwright20:34
shillasaebihow are you?20:34
DevonBoatwrightsuper awesome20:34
shillasaebiDarrenC won't be joining us today20:34
shillasaebihi vhoward20:34
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shillasaebiis shaunom here?20:35
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shillasaebihmmm no20:35
shillasaebihe started a review for the blueprint arch-guide-restructure and it was merged a few days ago20:36
shillasaebiwere still looking for help with the reorganization of the ops guide. Feedback can be added to #link
shillasaebiwe also discussed the tagging and bringing it up to Christian and Andreas once some thoughts were gathered #link
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shillasaebiThere's not much content in there yet20:39
shillasaebiGuessing we'll need more time20:39
shillasaebishaunom had mentioned that he was going to be in Germany, and that he can try and touchbase with Andreas.20:39
shillasaebiMaybe next time we will have more updates on taht20:39
shillasaebiespecially since darrenc and shaunom are not here today20:40
shillasaebiI really don't have much else to add besides looking at the ops guide and adding feedback to #link
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DevonBoatwrightIt will be a quick meeting today, then.20:42
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shillasaebiyeah hopefully more next time20:44
shillasaebi#topic open discussion20:44
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shillasaebianyone have anything to bring up?20:44
vhoward(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻20:44
shillasaebiok then sorry it was short this time20:45
shillasaebihopefully more next time20:45
shillasaebimeeting adjourned!20:45
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