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| rtheis | dtroyer: osc meeting today? | 13:00 |
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| tangchen | Hi, I'm here. | 13:00 |
| dtroyer | rtheis: yes! | 13:00 |
| tangchen | I think it is today | 13:00 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 13:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:01 |
| rtheis | hi tangchen | 13:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 13:01 |
| stevemar | oh wow, we're all here | 13:01 |
| dtroyer | Hi gang! | 13:01 |
| tangchen | Hi, stevemar, rtheis, dtroyer | 13:01 |
| tangchen | :) | 13:01 |
| dtroyer | I am fighting laptop/browser issues so flying a bit blind right now | 13:02 |
| dtroyer | timing is everything, right? | 13:02 |
| tangchen | haha | 13:02 |
| dtroyer | #topic release status | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:03 | |
| dtroyer | So let's talk 3.0 release | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | It seems the pressure is all on the osc-lib work to complete now, correct? maybe one more thing from Henry? | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | (which may be what was proposed yesterday) | 13:03 |
| stevemar | yeah, and he just posted something | 13:04 |
| dtroyer | ok, cool | 13:04 |
| stevemar | i'll take a look at it today | 13:04 |
| dtroyer | I was hoping to be done this week, and have gotten stuck on reproducing the failures in the shell review | 13:04 |
| rtheis | and for osc-lib, do we want release notes? There are a couple conflicting reviews. | 13:05 |
| stevemar | rtheis: it doesn't hurt to have it, we never had a reason until now | 13:05 |
| stevemar | looks like someone proposed the directory structure | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | good question… most libs do not have reno-based release notes (based on a sampling of oslo and a few others) | 13:06 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348210/ | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | since those are end-user focused | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | is there a strong feeling that we should have that? or just the dev docs? | 13:06 |
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| dtroyer | I am leaning toward just dev docs but am not stuck on that | 13:06 |
| stevemar | i think just the dev docs are fine, osc-lib isn't meant to be end user facing | 13:06 |
| rtheis | I say we match other libs | 13:07 |
| rtheis | so dev docs are fine | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | ok | 13:07 |
| stevemar | i'll update the patch | 13:07 |
| rtheis | thanks stevemar | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | #agreed osc-lib will not use reno release notes | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | and +A Andrea's cleanup then, I've been holding off on that until we had this conversation | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | #topic osc-lib | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "osc-lib (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:08 | |
| dtroyer | while we're on that, I have also been holding off on another osc-lib release in case I needed something for the shell work, but I think it's time to do 0.4.1 at least there | 13:08 |
| stevemar | +A'ed ajaegers cleanup | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 13:09 |
| tangchen | me too | 13:09 |
| stevemar | we only have 5 commits unreleased https://github.com/openstack/osc-lib/compare/0.4.0...master | 13:10 |
| stevemar | 2 of which are minor | 13:11 |
| dtroyer | right, osc needs some of them for the shell work | 13:11 |
| stevemar | actually 3 commits | 13:11 |
| dtroyer | and its taking 3+ days to do release, g-r and u-c updates these days | 13:11 |
| stevemar | OK | 13:11 |
| stevemar | who wants to create the release? :) | 13:11 |
| tangchen | I'd like to try onec | 13:12 |
| tangchen | once | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | rtheis, tangchen: want some practice? | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | ok, cool, thanks | 13:12 |
| * dhellmann arrives late | 13:12 | |
| rtheis | thanks tangchen | 13:12 |
| tangchen | thanks, Richard. :) | 13:12 |
| * dtroyer backs up a bit to confirm something with dhellmann | 13:12 | |
| tangchen | Any guide please ? | 13:12 |
| stevemar | tangchen: you just gotta copy https://github.com/openstack/releases/commit/e305d347a68b2619cbadb0ae05453e652fde9ae1 | 13:12 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer : reno? | 13:13 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: we're not planning for reno-style release notes for osc-lib, that seems consitent with most others, correct? | 13:13 |
| stevemar | tangchen: as dtroyer said, mark it 0.4.1 and get the most recent hash (7a8b05152ac49f3895bef56be4424171c3917dd8) | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | we're adding reno to libs that have config options that deployers would see. I don't think that applies to osc-lib. I don't know if there are any other user-facing things that make sense to include in release notes there? | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | *most other libs | 13:14 |
| tangchen | stevemar: OK, I'll try it tomorrow | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: no, there shouldn't be anything like that | 13:14 |
| stevemar | tangchen: we need it a bit sooner :( | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | so osc-lib doesn't define any command line options? | 13:14 |
| stevemar | tangchen: the release team doesn't allow releases on fridays | 13:14 |
| tangchen | Oh, now ? | 13:14 |
| stevemar | (in case a gate is broken) | 13:15 |
| stevemar | tangchen: should only take a minute, i can do it if you want, i know it's late your time | 13:15 |
| tangchen | Oh, I can do it. | 13:16 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: hmmm… actually it has most of the global options, yes. so is there a way for osc to ppick those up naturally? | 13:16 |
| tangchen | working on it | 13:16 |
| tangchen | one min | 13:16 |
| stevemar | tangchen: thanks :) | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : we don't currently have a way to pull notes from one repo into another, no. :-/ | 13:16 |
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| dtroyer | but having the reno notes in osc-lib would at least make references cleaner | 13:17 |
| amotoki | even though osc-lib has a release note like reno style, it is not easy that users track changes in dependent libraries. | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | amotoki : that's a good point, putting release notes in the library might be a little confusing | 13:17 |
| amotoki | i think what we can do is just to mention osc-lib or other libs had such changes. | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | we could address that by having osc's release notes point to the lib notes for "more details" | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 13:18 |
| amotoki | it's not best but it sounds better approach | 13:19 |
| dtroyer | the user-unfriendly bit there is knowing _which_ osc-lib is installed. this is ok for service deployers, unfortunate for end-users | 13:19 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: true | 13:19 |
| dtroyer | and not something I though of when we decided to do the split. | 13:19 |
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| dtroyer | but also minor in the Big Scheme of Things | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can do something with the --version output of osc to expose that better | 13:20 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: osc-lib *ideally* shouldn't be changing too often after the big split | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: I'll make sure it is included in module show output too | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | that'll ease that pain a bunch | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 13:21 |
| tangchen | stevemar: Shall we hash it to ef4a4f143b1f96ac8c2a685a8e1a4e96c802cb0d ? | 13:22 |
| tangchen | Seems it was merged just now. | 13:22 |
| tangchen | the releasenote cleanup | 13:22 |
| rtheis | are we back to osc-lib release notes? | 13:22 |
| dtroyer | tangchen: you could, not necessary though | 13:22 |
| dtroyer | rtheis: yes | 13:22 |
| rtheis | ok | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | lets move on... | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | #topic review highlights | 13:24 |
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| dtroyer | Any reviews that need to be brought up here? | 13:24 |
| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/ | 13:24 |
| rtheis | a couple items on this review... | 13:25 |
| rtheis | 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/14/neutronclient/osc/v2/trunk/trunk.py | 13:25 |
| rtheis | rom openstackclient.identity import common as identity_common | 13:25 |
| rtheis | from openstackclient.identity import common as identity_common | 13:25 |
| rtheis | Is this available to plugins and is there a plan to move any of this to osc-lib | 13:26 |
| rtheis | this = identity common utilities | 13:26 |
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| stevemar | tangchen: sure, sounds like a good level | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | we really have not talked about moving API-specific bits to osc-lib, although it may not be out of the question | 13:26 |
| amotoki | so far neutron osc plugin wants to use find_project() and option definitions from identity.common. | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | Identity has a bit of a special place though in that everyone needs bits of it | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | the reason to move it is so plugins do not depend on osc itself, so stand-along CLIs are possible | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | it might make sense to expose some of the identity api through osc-lib, either fully by giving the identity client, or partially by giving a wrapper | 13:28 |
| dhellmann | I could see commands wanting to do things like translate UUIDs returned by APIs to names, for example | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | I think most of the stuff (from memory) in identity.common doesn't require a client to exist if it isn't called… | 13:28 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: some functions expect a client to be passed in the args | 13:29 |
| dtroyer | right, which is find for a lib | 13:29 |
| stevemar | ja | 13:29 |
| dtroyer | if you don't use it there isn't a cost | 13:29 |
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| rtheis | yep, that looks right | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | so if we can do it without forcing ksc or the sdk to be included we should be ok | 13:30 |
| stevemar | it would be nice to be consistent, so other projects don't reimplement it | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | exactly, and osc-lib is meant to be the plugin interface | 13:30 |
| amotoki | stevemar: +1 | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | so we need to support that. maybe post 1.0 though | 13:31 |
| tangchen | <amotoki>: Hi, I know the problem. And yes, +1 | 13:31 |
| rtheis | ok, so in the short term should we suggest that plugins duplicate the code until osc-lib has it | 13:31 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: in this case, the common one they are using is just adding an argument to parsed_args, so its really easy to add support for this | 13:31 |
| stevemar | rtheis: yeah, its a small function anyway | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | yay! more args/option in osc-lib! :) | 13:32 |
| amotoki | for short term in neutornclient, i would like to gather such things in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348097/ | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | can someone put together an initial proposal for osc-lib for this? | 13:32 |
| rtheis | sounds good | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | the easy stuff can go in quickly, but I don't want to hold up osc-lib's 1.0 (which would hold up osc's 3.0) if we can help it | 13:33 |
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| rtheis | amotoki: is this something you'd be willing to do since you are working the neutron end too? | 13:34 |
| rtheis | and may be the first user | 13:34 |
| amotoki | rtheis: it is just an initial version, but i am thinking this kind of thing is required. | 13:34 |
| rtheis | ok | 13:35 |
| amotoki | rtheis: we only see two implementations for OSC plugin, but we already see many code duplications. | 13:35 |
| tangchen | +1 for gathering them all together. | 13:35 |
| dtroyer | amotoki: agreed… I'm just running slower than I'd like atm | 13:35 |
| amotoki | it is a bit late in a dev cycle, so i think it is fair that we do this kind of things in each repo and collect them in the beginning of the cycle. | 13:36 |
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| dtroyer | amotoki: that may be the case for the plugins, but go ahead and start putting it into osc-lib too | 13:37 |
| amotoki | dtroyer: yeah, i am thinking so. | 13:37 |
| amotoki | but I think we need to gather inputs a bit more. | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | ok | 13:37 |
| * dtroyer finally got a peek at that review… | 13:38 | |
| dtroyer | is 'network trunk' the final resource name? | 13:38 |
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| rtheis | dtroyer: that is the current plan | 13:38 |
| rtheis | nothing merged yet | 13:38 |
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| dtroyer | (assuming these are .1q trunk ports) is 'trunk port' out of the question? | 13:39 |
| amotoki | in general I think it is better that networking commands have 'network' prefix unless it is clear that command names belong to 'networking'. | 13:39 |
| dtroyer | I haven't read all of the comments yet so don't know what the history is | 13:40 |
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| rtheis | dtroyer: I suggested "network trunk" or "trunk port" in patch 3 | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | I believe we should use the best descriptive name that a user will understand, if that means prepending 'network', ok, but it should not be done automatically | 13:41 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer : ++ | 13:42 |
| amotoki | i think we don't need 'network' prefix for 'load balancer' or 'vpn', but if it is not clear that a command name belongs to 'networking' 'network' prefix sounds okay. | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | I'll leave a comment… I agree trunk port is clearer to me, although is it greatly different from a port otherwise? The options might be different enough to warrant a specific resource | 13:42 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: thanks, there is some concern in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340624/17/setup.cfg too | 13:43 |
| dtroyer | I would have started with port —trunk, but again, I haven't read this in any detail yet | 13:43 |
| rtheis | a trunk port is a new resource in neutron db which contains ports | 13:43 |
| amotoki | rtheis: a verb 'enumerate'? | 13:43 |
| rtheis | amotoki: yes | 13:44 |
| rtheis | and a subport command object | 13:44 |
| dtroyer | ok, so a trunk is a port container? that is different, and maybe is enough to not include port in the name. | 13:44 |
| amotoki | rtheis: honestly 'list' is sufficient. | 13:44 |
| dtroyer | just because it is differnt in the db, though, doen't mean anything to a user | 13:44 |
| stevemar | amotoki: ++ | 13:44 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: that is my understanding of a trunk | 13:45 |
| rtheis | amotoki: is that correct? | 13:45 |
| amotoki | rtheis: I think so too, but i haven't fully followed the development of trunk port... | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | I'll read up on it. trunk means 802.1q trunk to most network folk, so if it isn't that it will be fun | 13:45 |
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| rtheis | dtroyer: thanks for your input | 13:46 |
| rtheis | nothing else from me on that review | 13:47 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks | 13:47 |
| dtroyer | any other reviews? | 13:47 |
| amotoki | rtheis: thanks for raising these! | 13:47 |
| rtheis | yw | 13:47 |
| tangchen | No from me. | 13:47 |
| dtroyer | ok, how about… | 13:48 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 13:48 |
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| rtheis | I don't have any to discuss | 13:49 |
| dtroyer | no bugs? | 13:50 |
| dtroyer | well, with 10 minutes remaining: | 13:50 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 13:50 |
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| dtroyer | what is on our minds today? | 13:50 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: unfortunately, I'm thinking about neutron extensions | 13:51 |
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| rtheis | I had a discussion with armax about some of the neutron osc plugins | 13:51 |
| rtheis | many require neutron extensions to be enabled | 13:51 |
| dtroyer | that's a fun thing | 13:52 |
| dtroyer | and discovery of that, right? | 13:52 |
| rtheis | should we have a general check up front in command object to fail | 13:52 |
| rtheis | right | 13:52 |
| rtheis | and does it also belong in osc-lib | 13:52 |
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| dtroyer | is that info available in the / route yet? (at version negotiation time?) | 13:53 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: I don't know | 13:54 |
| amotoki | in neutron, if a corresponding neutron extension is not available, 404 is returned. IIRC, what armax said is that we would liek to distinguish 404 and not supported. | 13:54 |
| dtroyer | ok, as long as that info is readily available we can handle it | 13:54 |
| rtheis | amotoki: that's right, thanks | 13:55 |
| dtroyer | if we can get help out of the version negotiation that's better | 13:55 |
| dtroyer | it doesn't sound like special-case error handling is too hard though, and if it's basically boilerplate for osc-lib we can do that | 13:55 |
| dtroyer | like with Identity though, if it requires additional dependencies for osc-lib we'll need to think hard about it | 13:55 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: sounds good | 13:56 |
| rtheis | thanks | 13:56 |
| dtroyer | also, in this case how much should go to the SDK? | 13:56 |
| amotoki | perhaps we can define requirement conditions (like micro-version or extensions) somewhere. | 13:56 |
| dtroyer | if these are common problems for apps that may make long-term sense | 13:56 |
| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343992/ | 13:56 |
| dtroyer | amotoki: as we make those things consistent across APIs, yes, I'd love to do that | 13:56 |
| rtheis | SDK api microversion support in review now | 13:57 |
| dtroyer | \o/ | 13:57 |
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| dtroyer | we can prototype this sort of extension handling between osc and plugins, and migrate it into the appropriate dependencies/libs as it gets worked out | 13:58 |
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| rtheis | good idea | 13:58 |
| amotoki | it will be a good input to SDKs :) | 13:58 |
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| rtheis | we out of time | 14:00 |
| dtroyer | tangchen: thanks again for doing the osc-lib release, it looks good | 14:00 |
| dtroyer | yup | 14:00 |
| tangchen | thanks. :) | 14:00 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone! awesome meeting! | 14:00 |
| rtheis | thanks | 14:00 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 14:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-07-28-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-07-28-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-07-28-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 14:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | hello folks | 14:00 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:01 |
| raissa | hi | 14:01 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| vgridnev | Elephant is the mascot for sahara project! | 14:03 |
| egafford | \o/ | 14:03 |
| tosky | \o/ | 14:03 |
| elmiko | cool | 14:03 |
| egafford | I love the remote control elephant. | 14:03 |
| tosky | so no problems with the Hadoop logo? | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | egafford, just elephant | 14:04 |
| egafford | Does it still have the antenna on its head? | 14:04 |
| egafford | Ah. | 14:04 |
| * egafford was pretty fond of the antenna on its head, but sacrifices must be made. | 14:04 | |
| egafford | Got pulled downstream pretty hard recently I fear. I'm now on strike from downstream work until my demands are met, and my demands are that I finish documenting the image gen CLI and putting up example code. :) | 14:05 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | Saharaclient is going to be released soon, since we are in N3 we will more often releases for saharaclient | 14:05 |
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| elmiko | i have not done much with sahara in the last week, it's becoming increasingly unlikely that i can shave time off to work on it :/ | 14:06 |
| egafford | elmiko: Thanks for your valor in shaving time off thus far. | 14:07 |
| elmiko | wish i could have done more, i'm worried about v2 =( | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | also, if feature require client changes, there are around 3 weeks to complete that | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | I have put up a new patch on the refactoring of floating ips, it is failing some ci tests, but I think it would be good to have some eyes look at it | 14:08 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: Ack. | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336597/ | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | right now in this scope we have 3 features: designate (small change) ; sorting abilities for lists ; and probably boot from volume if NikitaKonovalov will push a spec about that soon | 14:08 |
| egafford | vgridnev: (This is the set of features that require client changes, right?) | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev | and also around 4 weeks to just complete features. + (around 2 weeks of FF if FFE granted) | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | egafford, yes | 14:10 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Cool. | 14:10 |
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| tosky | I think I finally found how to properly move the CLI tests under the existing tempest plugin, it's the last version of the patch (under gates right now) | 14:11 |
| zemuvier | writing cli tests and fixing coverage for unit-tests for sahara scenario framework | 14:12 |
| vgridnev | I'm going to complete plugin's API in dashboard shortly after release client (which will be today, I think) | 14:12 |
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| vgridnev | anything else? | 14:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | fix for storm scaling problem is being pushed in a minute | 14:14 |
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| vgridnev | cool | 14:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | probably want to get that in so we can fix the test in the gat | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | gate | 14:15 |
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| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, we will discuss that after meeting, ok? | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, sure | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I think we don't APIv2 today? | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | don't need* | 14:16 |
| elmiko | yeah, we should probably consider removing it from the agenda | 14:16 |
| elmiko | unless someone else is willing to guide the effort | 14:16 |
| elmiko | although, big thanks to Mikhail for adding the pagination stuff into v2 | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:17 |
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| vgridnev | I thought about some deprecations for plugins, so now it should be simple | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348257/ | 14:18 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, this is a really nice feature. | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | this is going to deprecate CDH 5; 5.3; 5.4 (keeping enabled, deprecated since Newton, removed at least in P or later) | 14:19 |
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| egafford | (It's amazing for packagers too, btw; lets us disable and deprecate without removing code paths, which is always tricky with unit tests.) | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | for MapR 5.0.0 is deprecated, and since it's based on unstable distrib; I think it can be removed it in Ocata) | 14:21 |
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| vgridnev | additionally, there is a cool spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322347/ about feature matrix, I think that it's something that we can do with labels | 14:22 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: That'd certainly be great for test. | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | that is pretty cool :) | 14:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | just as a reminder, voting for talks is open | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | and also I posted a discussion about removing old CLI | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100224.html | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | would love to see your opinions | 14:26 |
| tosky | vgridnev: maybe the email should have some other tag in addition to [sahara] | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov, absolutely | 14:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | There are some interesting Sahara-related submissions by other companies btw | 14:27 |
| tosky | this is part of the general discussion about deprecations; keystone did it, so they had to follow some guidelines | 14:27 |
| vgridnev | tosky, interesting, what tag can be additionally? I have no idea; actually there is a same letter in openstack operators ML | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov, yeah, at least one talk for Intel folks (for Weiting) is going to be interesting | 14:29 |
| tosky | vgridnev: the idea would be to get opinion from other groups, but I'm not sure what is the right group for that | 14:30 |
| tosky | I always forget | 14:30 |
| tosky | elmiko: do you remember who is in charge for deprecation policies for such tools (like CLI)? | 14:30 |
| vgridnev | anyway, feel free to reply on my message with needed tag | 14:31 |
| elmiko | hmm | 14:31 |
| elmiko | not sure if there is a central authority for that, aside from the governance tag | 14:32 |
| elmiko | it might be worth suggesting it as a topic for the next cross-project meeting? | 14:32 |
| elmiko | or at least talking with that group for suggestions | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, as far as I know there is no cross project meeting now (or I'm missed something) | 14:33 |
| elmiko | ah, did they cancel it? | 14:33 |
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| elmiko | then maybe just send the message to [all][sahara] ? | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | I don't remember | 14:34 |
| tosky | or [governance], does it exist as tag? | 14:34 |
| elmiko | or if you really want to escalate, [tc] | 14:34 |
| elmiko | tosky: not sure about that one | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, all is possible I think | 14:34 |
| tosky | ah, [tc] maybe | 14:35 |
| elmiko | i think sending an email to get some feedback is an excellent idea, even if you just spam everyone with [all] | 14:35 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, for example http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-November/009019.html | 14:36 |
| vgridnev | just keystone | 14:36 |
| elmiko | that seems like a good example | 14:37 |
| elmiko | if we deprecate, send to operators list as well. very nice visibility | 14:37 |
| elmiko | s/if/when/ ;) | 14:37 |
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| vgridnev | anything else that we can discuss? | 14:40 |
| egafford | Can't think of anything. | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | me neither | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks folks! | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks folks | 14:43 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:43 |
| vgridnev | argh | 14:43 |
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| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 14:44:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-07-28-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-07-28-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-07-28-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:44 |
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| elmiko | thanks o/ | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 15:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi | 15:00 |
| jschwarz | hi guys | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr_ carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr_ | 15:01 |
| tidwellr_ | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Meeting agenda is here: | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | So our mascot is going to be a spider web.... yaay! | 15:02 |
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| john-davidge | Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. | 15:03 |
| * jschwarz voted for a spider web | 15:03 | |
| carl_baldwin | A little creepy, but ok. | 15:03 |
| haleyb | and I voted for the sloth :) j/k | 15:03 |
| * tidwellr_ wonders why not the yak | 15:03 | |
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| mlavalle | The yak was pretty funny | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Also a reminder to the team about the upcoming Neutron mid-cycle | 15:04 |
| haleyb | hit too close to home maybe | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements I might be missing? | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | If not, let's move on | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1604370 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604370 in neutron "functional: test_legacy_router_ns_rebuild is unstable" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | I've been keeping an eye on this one | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | we have a proposed solution here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344859/ | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | Any other comments? | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | If not, let's move on | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596075 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | I think the reporter is indicating that the merged fix didn't actually fixed it | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | :( | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | If there are no more comments, I'll reach out to kevinbenton and discuss further with him | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I've last track of that one. | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | if there are no more comments, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy) | 15:14 |
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| otherwiseguy | (which probably shouldn't be assigned to me since it is not alcutally related to the ovsdb native switch) | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | so we need to work further on this one | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | otherwiseguy: thanks for the clarification! | 15:16 |
| otherwiseguy | I had put a Closes-bug: in a patch and had to remove it. :/ | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | Not from me. | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | if not, let's move on.... Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603162 | 15:19 |
| openstack | mlavalle: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1603162 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603162). The error has been logged | 15:19 |
| * jschwarz lols | 15:20 | |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603162 | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | wow, it really doesn't like it | 15:20 |
| tidwellr_ | you broke the bot :) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | It is "IP deallocation failed on external system with pluggable IPAM" | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I can open it, so launchpad is up. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't see pavel_bondar around. | 15:21 |
| * mlavalle wonders how much it is going to cost him to fix the bot | 15:21 | |
| carl_baldwin | We might have to take a more active part in this one since it is blocking the IPAM migration. | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll try to take a look at this one today. | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Thanks carl_baldwin | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Last one today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1605277 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605277 in neutron "[IPAM] 'Internal' ipam driver does not allow to delete all pools on subnet update" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:23 |
| tidwellr_ | mlavalle fixed the bot! | 15:23 |
| * mlavalle feels relieved. the bot is not broken. | 15:23 | |
| jschwarz | can we feed it the previous link again? :) | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:24 |
| janzian | mlavalle, the mystical fixer of bots | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | So we have a fix proposed for this bug..... | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345498/ | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll take another look. | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs I might have missed? | 15:26 |
| jschwarz | well | 15:26 |
| jschwarz | there is a sudden resurgence of a bunch of l3-ha scheduler related bugs that are getting our attention in the past few days | 15:26 |
| jschwarz | some include: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1607381 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1607381 in neutron "HA router in l3 dvr_snat/legacy agent has no ha_port" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:27 |
| jschwarz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1607381 | 15:27 |
| jschwarz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1562878 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562878 in neutron "L3 HA: Unable to complete operation on subnet" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ann Taraday (akamyshnikova) | 15:27 |
| jschwarz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1605282 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605282 in neutron "Transaction rolled back while creating HA router" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz) | 15:27 |
| jschwarz | and a few more | 15:27 |
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| jschwarz | mostly worked on my me, Ann, Oleg, Kevin and Liu | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344890/ | 15:28 |
| Swami | jschwarz: it is good that people are testing it, and that's why we see more in the pipe. | 15:28 |
| jschwarz | hopefully we can get through these bunch as well and there are a few patches up | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | needs another +2 | 15:28 |
| johnbelamaric | along with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345512/ | 15:28 |
| jschwarz | reviews are always welcome, especially those which are close to completion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348224/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265680/ | 15:29 |
| jschwarz | /fin | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: thanks. We'll take a look at those patchsets | 15:29 |
| jschwarz | thanks | 15:30 |
| johnbelamaric | bugs for those are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1572474 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1572474 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Deadlock on simultaneous update subnet and ip allocation from subnet" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | I wanted to mention this from ihrachys : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098552.html | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | He is looking for some help with managing the large number proactive backports. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I know it is hard to think about taking on one more thing, but I wanted to get this out there for you all to think about. | 15:32 |
| jschwarz | I'll do my best to backport the l3 scheduler patches we'll merge this time around as well | 15:33 |
| Swami | I am working on backporting most of the dvr related changes and will continue. | 15:33 |
| * haleyb does too | 15:33 | |
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| ihrachys | thanks guys, I really appreciate. I hope that the launchpad dashboards and tags help you do the job. | 15:34 |
| haleyb | But there are a lot of things to backport and/or tag to be backported | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: I *hope* that my scripts tag all potentially relevant | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | if not, please raise a red flag, I don't want anything to fall thru cracks | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay, so we can keep an eye on anything that the scripts miss. It will be very helpful if the script is tagging all the potentials. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: yes, i think they do, sometimes maybe tag too much, but that's why we're here | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: I have ideas on how to avoid some of false positives, stay tuned | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments on this topic? | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | or bugs in general? | 15:38 |
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| jschwarz | mlavalle, not enough bugs? I can fish up a few for you if you want :) | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | no thanks :-) | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | Moving on | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: anything you want to share with the team? | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi, we've had a bunch of stuff merge this week. I think we're doing pretty well. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | I'd really like to close on service subnets and try to enable connecting routers' external gateway to a routed network. | 15:42 |
| john-davidge | Yeah, thanks for all the reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851 recently. I've addressed most of the comments so far today. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: Will take another look. | 15:42 |
| john-davidge | armax: Before I push the new patch, I'd love to get your feedback on the comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851/12/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py | 15:43 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: New patch is still sitting on my machine, will ping you when it's ready :) | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: great, I'll hold. | 15:43 |
| * haleyb on edge of his seat too :) | 15:43 | |
| armax | john-davidge: will do | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | armax: Thanks :) | 15:44 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: i need to update the OSC side, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342976/ but think it's pretty close | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Cool. | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I'm hoping we don't need to change the approach at this late stage, but I'm ready to do so if necessary | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | There is also the gerrit topic, which is getting smaller: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/routed-networks | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: it is not a big deal. Specially since your extension is really only the extend subnet dictionary | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: A heads up for the osc work, as per a comment on the service-subnets patch I'm changing the property to subnet['service_types'] | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | Unless there are any objections | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | It would be a pretty easy change | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I hope so. I've taken a look at the patch you linked to, thanks for that | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | What was it before agani? | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | *again | 15:47 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: i don't know if i object yet, i thought this was like dns_nameserver vs dns_nameservers that exist already? | 15:47 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: subnet['service_type'] - no plural | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Ah, no objection from e. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | *me | 15:48 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: So far we'd been using service_type, but service_types makes more sense with it being a list | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | john-davidge: as long as i can tweak the OSC code accordingly i'll be fine, will just wait for your update | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Cool, will ping you when it's ready | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's all I have. | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | me too | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | Thanks carl_baldwin, john-davidge and haleyb for the update | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:50 |
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| tidwellr_ | I don't have much of an update today | 15:50 |
| tidwellr_ | steve_ruan: anything on your end? | 15:51 |
| tidwellr_ | he's not here, I think we can move on | 15:51 |
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| mlavalle | Cool, I was looking the clock | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | I just tried to ping njohnston|PTO and as you can see, he is off | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | Moving on... | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: anything to discuss on this topic? | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | We need to get that bug fixed with rollback. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | But, we already discussed it. I'm going to take a look today. | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | Cool. Thanks | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Do you know anything about it? | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603162 | 15:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603162 in neutron "IP deallocation failed on external system with pluggable IPAM" [High,New] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:55 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: no | 15:55 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I will ping pavel_bondar | 15:56 |
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| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: Thanks! | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | Moving on then... | 15:57 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:57 |
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| mfranc213_ | hello | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | Hi mfranc213_ | 15:58 |
| mfranc213_ | sorry i'm late to this party; i'm filling in for njohnston today | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks. | 15:58 |
| mfranc213_ | couple things regarding fwaas: | 15:58 |
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| mfranc213_ | getting some traction on the L3 extension manager: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339246/9 | 15:59 |
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| mfranc213_ | and the fwaas team has we have started work on defining the RPC resource for FWaaS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347092/ | 15:59 |
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| mfranc213_ | the fwaas L3 agent extension is also getting a bit of traction: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337699/2 | 16:00 |
| mfranc213_ | that's it. again. apologies for missing my cue earlier. | 16:00 |
| elmiko | is the l3 meeting still going? | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213_: thanks | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| mfranc213_ | thing we just finished | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 16:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-28-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-28-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-07-28-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 16:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | elmiko: the room is all yours:-) | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
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| cdent | bonjour | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hola | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| elmiko | #topic start a "what's happening in the wide world of APIs" section of the newsletter? | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "start a "what's happening in the wide world of APIs" section of the newsletter? (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
| elmiko | not sure who added this, but it sounds cool | 16:02 |
| cdent | a) that's a good idea, b) I'm so time sliced that I'm completely out of touch with the wide world of apis, which is rather a bad thing given this group... | 16:03 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:03 |
| cdent | in good news we have a new guideline (or rather a clarification to an existing one): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346846/ | 16:05 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | at first glance, that guideline proposal seems ok to me | 16:08 |
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| cdent | it's based on some discussion surrounding the placement api stuff I've been workingon | 16:08 |
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| elmiko | wait, am i looking at the one you are talking about? (clear the case if the version string isn't parsable) | 16:09 |
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| cdent | yes | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | anyone else here for the meeting? | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 16:17:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-28-16.00.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-28-16.00.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-07-28-16.00.log.html | 16:17 |
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| darrenc | hello, who's here? | 21:37 |
| someara2 | I'm here | 21:38 |
| katomo | good morning | 21:38 |
| darrenc | hi someara2 katomo | 21:38 |
| darrenc | not sure where shilla is | 21:38 |
| someara2 | Can we continue whilst waiting for her? | 21:42 |
| darrenc | Yeah, I guess I can chair the meeting | 21:43 |
| darrenc | sorry just looking up the meeting commands | 21:44 |
| someara2 | No problem. | 21:45 |
| darrenc | #start meeting ops_guide | 21:46 |
| darrenc | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:46 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 21:46:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is darrenc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:46 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:46 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:46 |
| darrenc | ok, who's here? | 21:47 |
| katomo | o/ | 21:47 |
| someara2 | me | 21:47 |
| darrenc | #topic Action items from the previous meeting | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:48 | |
| darrenc | Incorporated enterprise ops documentation in the ops guide | 21:48 |
| darrenc | so shilla provided some ops docs that I added to the Ops Guide | 21:48 |
| darrenc | I received a lot of feedback and suggestsion from operators | 21:49 |
| darrenc | suggestions* | 21:49 |
| darrenc | in particular, it was RabbitMQ troubleshooting information | 21:49 |
| darrenc | So shilla is going to provide more troubleshooting information to add to the Ops Guide | 21:50 |
| someara2 | Thats great | 21:50 |
| darrenc | yep, I'm seeing what I can source as well | 21:50 |
| katomo | good | 21:51 |
| darrenc | #action Shilla to provide more enterprise ops documentation | 21:51 |
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| darrenc | A few ops guide bugs were resolved bugs resolved: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1580424 | 21:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580424 in openstack-manuals "error in OpenStack architecture picture" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Darren Chan (dazzachan) | 21:53 |
| darrenc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1375623 | 21:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1375623 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 14. Backup and Recovery in OpenStack Operations Guide - missing: Horizon Celiometer Swift Heat " [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Darren Chan (dazzachan) | 21:53 |
| katomo | yay | 21:53 |
| darrenc | ok, moving on | 21:54 |
| darrenc | #topic bug spotlight | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug spotlight (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:54 | |
| darrenc | there's a few outstanding bugs for the Ops Guide: | 21:55 |
| darrenc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457767 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457767 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:55 |
| darrenc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457770 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:55 |
| darrenc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457768 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457768 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:55 |
| darrenc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Fix released] | 21:55 |
| darrenc | Anyone want to volunteer to fix these? | 21:56 |
| darrenc | I guess not :) | 21:57 |
| darrenc | #topic Arch Guide | 21:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Arch Guide (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:57 | |
| someara2 | I would, but I need to understand the scope of work first | 21:57 |
| someara2 | Sorry, to slow. | 21:57 |
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| darrenc | Sometimes the bug description will mention whats needs to be done | 21:58 |
| darrenc | otherwise you can email the bug reporter for more details | 21:59 |
| someara2 | I was looking at it, I can pick it up. | 21:59 |
| darrenc | great, thanks someara2 :) | 21:59 |
| someara2 | At least the logging and monitoring ones for now. | 21:59 |
| darrenc | excellent | 21:59 |
| darrenc | thanks | 22:00 |
| darrenc | so we've formed a working group for the Arch Guide | 22:00 |
| darrenc | and we've been meeting up weekly on Wednesday at 2000 UTC | 22:01 |
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| someara2 | The focus has been on getting the strucutre right. | 22:02 |
| darrenc | Meeting minutes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-working-group | 22:02 |
| someara2 | *structure | 22:03 |
| darrenc | yep, it been nice to the guide progressing forward, thanks to someara2 and ben silverman | 22:03 |
| darrenc | it's* | 22:03 |
| darrenc | see* | 22:03 |
| darrenc | I think I need coffee ;) | 22:04 |
| katomo | :) | 22:05 |
| someara2 | Thanks for all the support Darren, dealing with us doc's newbies. | 22:05 |
| darrenc | np | 22:05 |
| darrenc | fyi, our work items are listed in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items | 22:06 |
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| darrenc | is there anything we need to discuss regarding the Arch Guide? | 22:07 |
| darrenc | else* | 22:07 |
| someara2 | Just as general heads up, the content will start to follow fairly soon | 22:07 |
| darrenc | thanks | 22:07 |
| someara2 | we are building the TOC and creating place holders. so if reviewers could focus on structure | 22:07 |
| someara2 | and not content at this stage it would help. | 22:08 |
| darrenc | cool | 22:08 |
| someara2 | Other than that, no further comments from me. | 22:08 |
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| darrenc | fyi, there's a few patches for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347962/ | 22:09 |
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| darrenc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347577/ | 22:09 |
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| darrenc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341318/ | 22:09 |
| darrenc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337441/ | 22:09 |
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| someara2 | Alex has been busy, she has comments in almost all of them. | 22:11 |
| darrenc | The only comment I have is to make sure we can reuse as much of the existing content in the current arch guide | 22:11 |
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| someara2 | Agreed. | 22:11 |
| katomo | +1 | 22:11 |
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| darrenc | So I put all the mitaka changes openstack-manuals/doc/arch-design-draft/source/arch-guide-draft-mitaka | 22:13 |
| darrenc | and as I've been migrating content across to the new structure, I've deleted files in the that folder | 22:14 |
| darrenc | anyway, if anyone else wants to help as well, that would be great | 22:15 |
| someara2 | Ok, I wondered about that. | 22:15 |
| darrenc | there's a lot of information on operator requirements | 22:16 |
| darrenc | that some operators had written in the last release cycle | 22:16 |
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| someara2 | My suggestion is that we try and use that in the 'Use Case' Sections. | 22:17 |
| darrenc | ok, thanks | 22:18 |
| darrenc | I'll have a look at it next week | 22:18 |
| darrenc | #topic open discussion | 22:18 |
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| someara2 | I will try and look at it during the next week. | 22:18 |
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| darrenc | ok | 22:19 |
| darrenc | anything else to discuss? | 22:19 |
| darrenc | actually I have one thing | 22:19 |
| darrenc | I'm not sure who is attending the ops midcycle, but it would be nice to propose an ops guide session | 22:20 |
| darrenc | anyway, I can chat to Shilla about it | 22:21 |
| someara2 | Perhaps Ben could make it. | 22:21 |
| darrenc | yeah | 22:22 |
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| darrenc | I won't be going | 22:22 |
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| darrenc | ok, anything else to discuss? | 22:23 |
| someara2 | nope | 22:23 |
| darrenc | cool | 22:23 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone | 22:23 |
| darrenc | #endmeeting | 22:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 22:24:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.html | 22:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.txt | 22:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-07-28-21.46.log.html | 22:24 |
| someara2 | Cheers | 22:24 |
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