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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 13:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hey all | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:01 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 13:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 13:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hi diablo_rojo_phon ildikov | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | hi matjazp | 13:02 |
| ianychoi | hi ildikov diablo_rojo_phon | 13:02 |
| matjazp | hey ianychoi | 13:02 |
| ildikov | hi everyone :) | 13:02 |
| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:02 |
| matjazp | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:03 | |
| matjazp | see meeting minutes at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-04-13.01.html | 13:03 |
| ildikov | we decided to go with LP | 13:04 |
| matjazp | #info we will use LP at the Barcelona training | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375834/ | 13:04 |
| matjazp | kmARC around? | 13:04 |
| ildikov | for Barcelona for sure and then switch when we have more projects on Storyboard | 13:04 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sounds good to me | 13:05 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, I've read the infra responses | 13:05 |
| ildikov | we should still introduce Storyboard on the training in a few words, but do the exercises with LP | 13:05 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, tnx | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | It merged but the problem is .. I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox/+bug/1631584 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384071/ to test but openstack-infra did not write any comment on LP. | 13:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1631584 in openstack-dev-sandbox "Test with openstack-dev/sandbox integration is needed" [Undecided,New] | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | I tried to investivate the root case.. but have not found yet... | 13:05 |
| ildikov | we contacted DreamHost with kmARC and now he has an account to test with | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | Anybody can investigate in it? | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, hi :) | 13:06 |
| matjazp | ildikov: great, he can report his findings later to the ML | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, good :) | 13:06 |
| ildikov | I will ping him regarding where he is with these | 13:06 |
| -amotoki- just becomes online and IRC client got connected | 13:07 | |
| ildikov | I also plan to contact the students who signed up, and I would like to verfiy with him the laptop requirements to send out | 13:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: good idea | 13:07 |
| matjazp | thats great | 13:08 |
| matjazp | we can see up front if anyone will have a laptop with too little RAM and plan cloud VM for him/her | 13:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: exactly | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | great | 13:09 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov contacts the trainees and gathers their laptop specs. | 13:09 |
| matjazp | #action kmARC tests cloud VM with Dreamhost | 13:10 |
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| matjazp | #topic Upstream training - review queue | 13:10 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I was thinking more to send them what we see needed regarding RAM and disk | 13:10 |
| matjazp | nice progress, everyone | 13:10 |
| ildikov | if I cannot reach kmARC I'll ask the students about what they have... | 13:10 |
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| ildikov | I made some updates to the etherpad also: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:11 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, but not all will be able to upgrade in time, so we better count those as the one that will use cloud VMs | 13:11 |
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| matjazp | open reviews: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides+status:open,n,z | 13:12 |
| ildikov | I work on the Governance one currently | 13:12 |
| ildikov | I'll upload a patch today | 13:12 |
| matjazp | I'll reword patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383574/ in accordance with suggestions and comments | 13:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'm waiting for comments on my three. | 13:13 |
| ildikov | I think by the end we're kind of fine what is there | 13:13 |
| ildikov | matjazp: ^^ | 13:13 |
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| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: three? | 13:14 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, I'll change it minimally so everyone is happy ;) | 13:14 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: the metrics one is merged | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | what is three? | 13:14 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I thought I had three patches out the. | 13:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | There | 13:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Two then I guess :) | 13:15 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool ;) | 13:15 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: you're too slow, 'cause you're on the phone ;) | 13:15 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon : and both already have comments | 13:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I just woke up and I'm at the gym. You'll have to give me a break :) | 13:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nice. Will get those addressed today then. | 13:16 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: how can you exercise and type at the same time? | 13:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Treadmill. | 13:16 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: ahhh, ok.. nice multitasking ;) | 13:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yep :) | 13:17 |
| matjazp | ok, so is there anything else to cover here? | 13:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Don't think so. ildikov? | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | Wow gym....!! :) | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | I don't think so now | 13:18 |
| matjazp | we have less than 2 weeks till the training | 13:18 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: not for the reviews | 13:18 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 13:18 |
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| ildikov | We are getting close to have an updated content | 13:18 |
| matjazp | what about #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:18 |
| matjazp | anything that is critical there? | 13:18 |
| ildikov | Some more thinking about exercises in general would be useful | 13:19 |
| ildikov | I have two critical items | 13:19 |
| matjazp | but no blockers, right? | 13:19 |
| matjazp | which one? | 13:19 |
| ildikov | We were discussing to have a Documentation deep dive part like how we have that for code | 13:19 |
| ildikov | And I also plan to contact the Working Group Chairs whether a few of them can be around Monday afternoon to chat with those students, who're interested in that area | 13:20 |
| ildikov | the latter is less complicated | 13:20 |
| matjazp | sounds good, where is the problem? for Docs session deep dive? | 13:20 |
| ildikov | regarding the Docs part I thought to have an overview of the Docs team's work and the tooling around Docs | 13:20 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov contacts Working Group Chairs whether a few of them can be around Monday afternoon to chat with trainees | 13:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Neither ildikov not I are docs people :) | 13:21 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | *nor | 13:21 |
| ildikov | I'm a bit behind with organising this, so I plan to send out a mail today to the Docs list | 13:21 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon : yes you are, training guides is a part of Docs project ;) | 13:21 |
| ildikov | and get some content and ask whether anyone will be around Monday afternoon to help out | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, ildikov you are great contributors on Docs :) training-guides ! | 13:21 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: tnx :) | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | Originally I had an idea to integrate between openstack-dev-sandbox LP and openstack-dev/sandbox repo.. as an exercise... | 13:23 |
| ildikov | matjazp: ianychoi: so the point is, if we have people who happen to be interested in contributing more to Docs, with diablo_rojo_phon we are not the best people to share the principles of good OpenStack documentation :) | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | If the integration does not work, I will think about another exercise.. | 13:23 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: you mean the hook between LP and Gerrit? | 13:23 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: we can ask on the ML if anyone from the Docs team will be there on Moday | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yes the hook :) | 13:24 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, I will write up my idea and drop a mail with a few questions | 13:24 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: did you ask Andreas? | 13:24 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: he is super helpful with infra stuff | 13:24 |
| ildikov | matjazp: if I saw correctly the Docs meeting is in a Europe friendly slot this week, so I can bring this up there too | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, not yep.. I need to ask... yep he is so guru :) | 13:24 |
| matjazp | ildikov: great, I'll add an Action item | 13:25 |
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| matjazp | #action ildikov asks on Docs ML if anyone from the Docs team will be at the training | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yep tomorrow 19:00 UTC for Docs team meeting I think | 13:26 |
| matjazp | ildikov: we keep assigning action items to you... if you don't have time to do it, just say and we can reschedule a bit | 13:26 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I think I have only three yet for today | 13:27 |
| matjazp | ildikov: ohh.. so we can assign more, right ;) | 13:27 |
| ildikov | matjazp: and I delivered on the last meeting's ones so I think I'm good, but let you know if I need some help | 13:28 |
| ildikov | matjazp: tnx! | 13:28 |
| matjazp | ok, that covers the usptream etherpad | 13:28 |
| ildikov | matjazp: well, we can assign the rest to diablo_rojo_phon as she's so good with multitasking ;) | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | Yep... IRC meeting at gym ! | 13:29 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I should probably sleep at some time so I can get rid of this cold before next week. | 13:29 |
| * matjazp can't type quickly on the phone | 13:29 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | But I will continue to help wherever I can. | 13:29 |
| * ildikov neither | 13:29 | |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: why are you at the gym if you have a cold? | 13:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sweat it out hopefully? | 13:30 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: what phone size do you have? 10" ;) | 13:30 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: just take it easy and to make it worse! | 13:31 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: if you want to sweat it out properly then stay in bed with lots of hot tea!!! | 13:31 |
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| ildikov | ok Doctor Ildiko is off, ildikov is back | 13:31 |
| matjazp | when I try to type quickly on the phone, it looks like I'm having a stroke and dyslexia at the same time ;) | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | oh welcome back ildikov :) | 13:32 |
| matjazp | ok, next topic? | 13:32 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Haha yes doctor. And no matjazp its like 5 | 13:32 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: autocorrect is your friend mostly | 13:32 |
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| matjazp | ildikov : not when you're using Slovene | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | I have got a cold.. health is important to everyone :) | 13:32 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I have my phone language set to English to make it work friendly... | 13:32 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: :) | 13:33 |
| matjazp | #topic Team meeting at the Summit in Barcelona | 13:33 |
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| matjazp | as it turns out, I will be attending the Barcelona Summit | 13:34 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon and myself we are around whole week | 13:34 |
| ildikov | matjazp: great news! | 13:34 |
| matjazp | I didn't konw that in advance, so I dodn't plan any meetings before | 13:34 |
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| matjazp | but I would love to talk with you guys | 13:34 |
| ildikov | matjazp: when do you arrive to BCN? | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, wow let's see on Friday! | 13:34 |
| matjazp | all the Docs slots are taken | 13:34 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: yes | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | Unfortunately I will only stay on Friday afternoon.. | 13:35 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: Monday at midnight | 13:35 |
| matjazp | I have a flight at 22.00 at Venice ariport | 13:35 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: you mean you will be there only on Friday? | 13:36 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I fly in the 18th and leave the 29th. | 13:36 |
| matjazp | I still work on Monday | 13:36 |
| ildikov | matjazp: business never stops... :( :) | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yes I had not planned to go there because of my busy work.. but since I nominated as I18n Ocata PTL, I decided to attend just I18n contributors meetup. | 13:37 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: yes, but you Fondation gals&guys are supposed to be there all the time, right ;) | 13:37 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: long trip for a half day :( | 13:37 |
| matjazp | ianychoi ildikov: my thoughts exactly.. long trip for one day | 13:38 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I think by Friday we will be mostly available. when do you get in? | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, but fine. I will be look around Baecelona on Saturday morning! | 13:38 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: fair enough :) | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | My estimated flight arrival at Barcelona is 11am | 13:38 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : oh, so you're literally attending JUST the meetup | 13:39 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: so we might be able to have lunch together if your flight gets in in time? | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, yep :) ildikov wow great idea! | 13:39 |
| matjazp | ildikov : isn't there just a lunch packet on Friday? | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | I will ping ildikov and matjazp by mail after my arrival | 13:39 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: do that | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:40 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I think we can find something close if the local options are not that great | 13:40 |
| matjazp | ok, back to the training guides meeting in Barcelona... can we arrange smthng? Some ad hoc meeting? | 13:40 |
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| ildikov | my schedule is a bit foggy still, but it would be great to sit together a bit after the training | 13:41 |
| ildikov | we might wait until Friday and have a kind of lunch meeting | 13:42 |
| matjazp | we can try to sync over the ML to inlude other that are interested | 13:42 |
| ildikov | or we can figure out smth for the week | 13:42 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, that works too | 13:42 |
| matjazp | we can see who's interested | 13:42 |
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| ianychoi | cool :) | 13:43 |
| ildikov | +1 :) | 13:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Friday lunch is the community contributor awards and feedback session so I couldn't make it. | 13:44 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: good point, I forgot that's on Friday :( | 13:44 |
| csatari | Hi all. | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | I think on Austin, community contributor awards helo with lunch | 13:45 |
| csatari | Sorry for being late. | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | csatari, hi! | 13:45 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp organises a training guides team meeting in Barcelona over a Docs ML | 13:45 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: we should all be there, as that's a litlle bit of a community joy | 13:45 |
| matjazp | hey csatari | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | s/helo/held | 13:45 |
| csatari | Is there still some material what needs to be reworked? | 13:45 |
| ildikov | csatari: hi :) | 13:45 |
| ildikov | csatari: we're mostly getting there now | 13:45 |
| ildikov | csatari: you could look into exercises for the blocks | 13:46 |
| ildikov | csatari: for the updated modules we tried to add new ones, but I think there are still a few that could use some more thoughts | 13:47 |
| csatari | ildikov> Okay, I can check them and suggest changes if I have some beter idea that the existing. | 13:47 |
| ildikov | csatari: you can check the main etherpad regarding ideas we had so far: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:47 |
| csatari | s/that/than/ | 13:47 |
| ildikov | csatari: and you can check the current content also, we have only three open reviews currently so it's not that messy | 13:48 |
| ildikov | csatari: feel free to ping me or diablo_rojo_phon with ideas, suggestions or just upload a patch | 13:49 |
| ildikov | csatari: tnx! :) | 13:49 |
| matjazp | #topic aob | 13:49 |
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| matjazp | anything left to discuss? | 13:49 |
| csatari | ildikov> Okay, thanks. | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | I want to replace #upstream-university with #openstack-101 in training materials. | 13:50 |
| ildikov | matjazp: one question | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | Would it be fine to all? | 13:50 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : you mean IRC channel? | 13:50 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I was wondering to use an IRC channel during the training to even collect feedback on the fly | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/howitsmade-irc-meetings.html#6 | 13:51 |
| matjazp | channel #openstack-101 is logged in the eavesdrop right? | 13:51 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: would #openstack-101 suitable for that too? | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/upstream_training/2014/upstream_training.2014-11-01-12.43.html | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/upstream_training/2014/upstream_training.2014-11-01-12.43.html | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, matjazp it is currently under review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367005/ | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | But after merging this patch, then I think we can have IRC meeting on #openstack-101 | 13:52 |
| matjazp | so we should reach to the infra to merge it ASAP | 13:53 |
| matjazp | it is stuck in review queue | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, such IRC meeting during upstream training with students is so interactive and beneficial I think | 13:53 |
| matjazp | you can all +1 it to get more eyeballs on it | 13:53 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: coolio | 13:53 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I did already | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Bringing just a simple topic: e.g., lunch menu, who looks beautiful in the room? ... :) | 13:54 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon csatari ? | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | would make upstream-training vital! | 13:54 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: :) | 13:54 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : ehhhhh... no beauty pageants please | 13:55 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: sync over lunch is better ;) | 13:55 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | matjazp: +1 | 13:55 |
| matjazp | 5 min till the end | 13:56 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I was wondering about +2 rights in the training-guides repo for diablo_rojo_phon or myself in case we find something that needs to be fixed last minue | 13:56 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I wouldn't want to "fork" the training material if possible :) | 13:56 |
| csatari | matjazp> +1-ed. | 13:57 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: for that we include in cores the upstream training lead... Marton I believe? | 13:57 |
| ildikov | matjazp: could we do that for the training maybe? | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, are you currently upstream lead? or Marton? | 13:58 |
| matjazp | but since you're been so involved, I guess you and diablo_rojo_phon are the next candidates for sure | 13:58 |
| ildikov | matjazp: ok, I'll sync with Marton when he gets to BCN | 13:58 |
| matjazp | Marton already has +2 rights on the training repo by function | 13:58 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: good question :) | 13:58 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sounds good. | 13:59 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I'm the acting one currently for sure | 13:59 |
| matjazp | ildikov: if you're the upsteram training lead, you get the +2 by function immediately | 13:59 |
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| matjazp | we decided that in Paris Summit (+2 for current lead of the upstream training) | 14:00 |
| matjazp | ok, bye all | 14:00 |
| matjazp | times up | 14:00 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I will contact Marton and check where we are on this | 14:00 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-June/008762.html | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 14:01:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-11-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-11-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-11-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
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| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 14:01:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
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| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:02 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:02 | |
| tdurakov | let's start | 14:02 |
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| tdurakov | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | #topic CI | 14:02 |
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| raj_singh | o/ | 14:02 |
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| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, raj_singh, any updates on grenade job? | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | well, patches are waiting for review | 14:03 |
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| raj_singh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364809/ is merged | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | nothing moved forward there | 14:04 |
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| pkoniszewski | I mean, patches that do implement new config option to execute ping-pong live migrations | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: haven't seen tempest patch, we've discussed last time | 14:04 |
| mriedem | do we have a d-g patch that tests the tempest change? | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379638/ | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | ah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382456/ | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | not sure whether it is enough to test it, is it? | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | well, it should be | 14:06 |
| mriedem | set in tempest.conf in http://logs.openstack.org/56/382456/4/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode/b447a15/logs/new/tempest_conf.txt.gz | 14:06 |
| mriedem | [compute-feature-enabled] attach_encrypted_volume = True live_migrate_back_and_forth = True | 14:06 |
| mriedem | it is | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, so it should be enough | 14:06 |
| mriedem | is it set on the old side? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | looks like it's not http://logs.openstack.org/56/382456/4/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode/b447a15/logs/old/tempest_conf.txt.gz | 14:07 |
| mriedem | oh i know why | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | if it needs to be set on both sides i need to improve it then | 14:07 |
| mriedem | b/c we don't hae the var in devstack in stable/newton | 14:07 |
| mriedem | we don't want to run that in stable/newton i don't think | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | do we know on which node tempest is running? I mean, do we need to have the config option set on both sides? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so basically, this means we'd only run the live migration back and forth in the grenade multinode job and only on master changes (ocata+) | 14:08 |
| mriedem | it's on both sides | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: it's master node in d-g terms | 14:09 |
| mriedem | grenade multinode is a full newton, run smoke tests, upgrade everything to ocata except one compute node stays newton, then run ocata tempest smoke tests | 14:09 |
| mriedem | so on the 'new' side you have ocata on one host, and newton on an n-cpu | 14:09 |
| pkoniszewski | so i'd need to backport this change | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | you'd have to backport the devstack change if we wanted to run live migration back and forth on the old side | 14:10 |
| mriedem | which is newton | 14:10 |
| mriedem | but do we? | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | mriedem, tempest is installed on the master node, right? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | that would also change grenade multinode jobs on stable/newton to run this | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | tempest is run from the controller...yes | 14:11 |
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| tdurakov | well, there is no need to backport any | 14:12 |
| mriedem | tempest is branchless | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, so we can leave it as it is right now, it should be enough to have this flag set only on a 'new' node | 14:12 |
| mriedem | d-g is branchless | 14:12 |
| mriedem | so the only thing that keeps us from running lm back and forth on newton is devstack | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | and i don't think we need to expose newton to this right now | 14:13 |
| mriedem | since it's in stable branch mode | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | devstack change is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382451/ | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | so this is a chain of three patches ATM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379638/ (tempest) -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382451/ (devstack) -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382456 (devstack-gate) | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | i'm +1 on the d-g change | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i'll work down the stack | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks mriedem for your support there | 14:15 |
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| tdurakov | anything else on that? | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | are there plans to test this on different backends? | 14:16 |
| pkoniszewski | we can move forward | 14:16 |
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| pkoniszewski | this gate uses the same hooks, so once we enable NFS and Ceph backend back again we will have both tested in greande job too | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | the same hooks as a normal job | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: let's discuss it after meeting, have concerns on that | 14:18 |
| pkoniszewski | okay | 14:18 |
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| tdurakov | #topic Bugs | 14:18 |
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| tdurakov | markus_z: are you around? | 14:18 |
| markus_z | yep, I'm here | 14:19 |
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| markus_z | I wanted to ask for reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275801/ | 14:19 |
| markus_z | ^ solves a 1yr old issue when live-migrating and instance which has serial-console support. | 14:19 |
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| pkoniszewski | i will make sure to test this | 14:20 |
| markus_z | A backport to newton would be desirable too | 14:20 |
| markus_z | pkoniszewski: Awesome, thanks. You could use https://github.com/markuszoeller/openstack/tree/master/scripts/vagrant/live-migration-U1404-VB if you like. | 14:20 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, if i don't manage to resurrect my env, thanks! | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | 28 versions, ok, let's test and review it. | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | markus_z: thanks for bringing this | 14:23 |
| pkoniszewski | we have some outstanding high bugs with fixes up for review | 14:24 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: share links on that | 14:24 |
| pkoniszewski | searching for | 14:24 |
| pkoniszewski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339588/ - LM currently does not honor affinity/anti-affinity policies | 14:25 |
| pkoniszewski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356558/ - fixes LM on dedicated interface when tunnelling is OFF (by default in newton tunnelling is off) | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | Looks like some of these are listed, but maybe a few more to add? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | there is 1 unassigned high bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,Confirmed] | 14:27 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: you've reviewed fix on that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307541/ | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: is it ok to restore and update it? | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: possibly, I thought we merged something on that one though... I don't 100% remember now | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: it made we want to do lots of refactoring, but not sure | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | need to figure out whether is still valid or not | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: could you help with it? | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | #topic specs | 14:32 |
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| tdurakov | do we have any new specs except 2 in agenda? | 14:32 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: do you still going to restore sr-iov one? | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: yes | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: haven't found time yet | 14:33 |
| tdurakov | cool, I'm going to wrap things in the etherpad today | 14:34 |
| tdurakov | to track ocata things | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I can try help with that, although its on quite a big stack right now | 14:34 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: refactoring? | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: basically that bit of the xenapi driver is messy around its use of the objects, and dicts and other stuff, so I want to tidy that all up at some point | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | ok, help is welcome on that | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | very welcome:) | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | #topic open discussions | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I do have some WIP patches / stuff in my head about how that should work, I will try get to that | 14:37 |
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| tdurakov | markus_z, there is a question in agenda, so? | 14:38 |
| markus_z | Yeah, I thought I might ask here | 14:39 |
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| markus_z | My question is, how do we handle live-migrations to target nodes with an older hypervisor version today? | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | we don't allow them | 14:39 |
| markus_z | Let's say we have qemu 2.7.0 on the source node and qemu 2.3.0 on the target node. | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | we fail, in some cases, in pre-livemigration, I think | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | in conductor | 14:40 |
| davidgiluk | markus_z: With upstream qemu that's very unlikely to work | 14:40 |
| markus_z | Oh, in conductor you say? I have checked only the libvirt driver. | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/c824982e6a3d6660697e503f7236377cc8202d41/nova/conductor/tasks/live_migrate.py#L140 | 14:40 |
| pkoniszewski | here | 14:40 |
| kashyap | markus_z: I think he means having machine types compatilibity, etc | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats it | 14:41 |
| pkoniszewski | we do check version of the hypervisor basing on what we have in DB | 14:41 |
| kashyap | davidgiluk: Isn't it, when you're referring to fwd & backward migr | 14:41 |
| pkoniszewski | so we only allow old -> new live migrations | 14:41 |
| markus_z | Ah man, yeah, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for | 14:41 |
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| tdurakov | hmm | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | I wonder, could it be blocker during upgrades? | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | it can be | 14:42 |
| markus_z | how? | 14:42 |
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| tdurakov | if smth goes wrong it will be impossible to get back to old compute, right? | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | markus_z: it can be when you are moving VMs to newer operating system | 14:43 |
| pkoniszewski | e.g. from 14.04 to 16.04 | 14:43 |
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| pkoniszewski | you might not be able to move back to 14.04 | 14:43 |
| pkoniszewski | unless you upgrade QEMU on 14.04 side | 14:43 |
| markus_z | I thought the VM of the source node gets killed *after* the l-m was successful? | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | if there will be no check, will it be technically possible? on libvirt/qemu layers | 14:43 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk just said that it's very unlikely to work | 14:44 |
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| tdurakov | okay then | 14:45 |
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| markus_z | thanks a lot :) | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | I'd prefer to have some soft checks flags for that | 14:46 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: backwards migration tends not to work unless you're either 1) very lucky or 2) Someone has done a lot of work to wire the machine types to be exactly the same (that we do downstream) | 14:46 |
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| tdurakov | thanks davidgiluk | 14:47 |
| pkoniszewski | hmm, can we base on configuration then? i mean, when someone explicitly sets machine type in nova.conf? but how would we know whether this machine type is supported by QEMU on both sides, maybe we need another precheck during check_can_live_migrate | 14:47 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: worth to test, I thinh | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | s/think | 14:48 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, something we might want to check | 14:48 |
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| tdurakov | anything else to bring? | 14:49 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: It's difficult to check, for example it might be one particular device that used some new field in a new qemu | 14:49 |
| tdurakov | davidgiluk: i think it's not about upgrades | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | but still | 14:51 |
| tdurakov | thanks everyone for participating | 14:51 |
| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 14:51:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-11-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-11-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-11-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
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| gothicmindfood | ohhai | 15:00 |
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| gothicmindfood | courtesy ping courtesy reminder dhellmann, amrith, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingie, alexismonville, edleafe | 15:01 |
| jroll | hai | 15:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 15:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 15:01 |
| alexismonville | I will try to multitask a bit :) | 15:01 |
| gothicmindfood | #startmeeting swg | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 15:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gothicmindfood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swg)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swg' | 15:01 |
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| gothicmindfood | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SWGMeeting | 15:02 |
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| gothicmindfood | we've got a pretty light agenda today | 15:02 |
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| gothicmindfood | pre-Barcelona | 15:02 |
| gothicmindfood | there were no action items, looks like | 15:02 |
| ttx | Small remark on action items | 15:02 |
| ttx | The SWG dsicussion is now scheduled | 15:03 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: oh yay! | 15:03 |
| gothicmindfood | yes, I believe I saw it on the ML | 15:03 |
| * dhellmann arrives late | 15:03 | |
| ttx | let me check link | 15:03 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16923/cross-project-workshops-re-inventing-the-tc-the-stewardship-working-group-discussion | 15:03 |
| ttx | yes | 15:03 |
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| ttx | The others that happened before but wasn't really recorded is that version 0 of the principles was finally adopted | 15:04 |
| * gothicmindfood added a little bit to our Barcelona vision to include it in our vision of the day, really, Wednesday, where both the cross project session andt he panel will happen | 15:04 | |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: awesome! | 15:04 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: is there a final link for that? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/principles.html | 15:05 |
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| gothicmindfood | \o/ | 15:05 |
| ttx | will a pipeline of proposed changes already, which is great | 15:05 |
| gothicmindfood | yes, it's awesome to see engagement on that. | 15:06 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: do we imagine we'll be discussing those changes, etc., at the cross project workshop? | 15:06 |
| amrith | sorry folks, am late | 15:06 |
| gothicmindfood | amrith: np. :) we're just covering what's happened in the last couple weeks | 15:06 |
| amrith | thx gothicmindfood; am reading scrollback | 15:07 |
| amrith | courtesy ping for dhellmann, gothicmindfood, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingie, alexismonville, edleafe | 15:07 |
| amrith | so one thing I noticed is that the cp workshop is before the panel | 15:07 |
| gothicmindfood | amrith: yeah, that's all we had, options-wise | 15:07 |
| amrith | oh, it's fine; it means that the cp discussions can inform the panel | 15:08 |
| gothicmindfood | but also - might not be the worst order - we will certainly understand more before the panel about what people want to talk about | 15:08 |
| amrith | though I expect that we may get different audiences to the two sessions | 15:09 |
| mugsie | yeah, I was going to say it might be useful to pull in some of the feedback from the workshop to the panel discussions | 15:09 |
| gothicmindfood | that's also possible | 15:09 |
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| gothicmindfood | mugsie: ++ | 15:09 |
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| gothicmindfood | as far as TC member attendance goes, I figured we should probably reach out to everyone just to confirm with them what times we have meetups to see who from the TC can make it | 15:10 |
| alexismonville | is there's already a preparation document of the workshop? | 15:10 |
| * johnthetubaguy is lurking, but has another meeting running over, sorry :( | 15:11 | |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: not yet, we just have our vision for the whole of the summit here: | 15:11 |
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| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BarcelonaSWGMagic | 15:11 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: thank you | 15:11 |
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| gothicmindfood | to that mind, we can push through to: | 15:12 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Discuss any documents that are available for review | 15:12 |
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| gothicmindfood | I added a little bit to that Barcelona vision etherpad | 15:12 |
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| alexismonville | ok we will need to prepare a way for the workshop to deliver something that will feed the panel discussion, that could be something displayed on the wall of the room | 15:13 |
| gothicmindfood | should we start a cross project etherpad now, or later? | 15:13 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: can start now | 15:13 |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: can we make it an etherpad, or should we plan on having post-its/physical drawing-on things? | 15:13 |
| amrith | since the topics are proximate, want to use the same one as the panel? | 15:13 |
| ttx | and reference it in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads | 15:13 |
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| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: I would say that physical drawing can be more effective | 15:14 |
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| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: the only problem with that is making folks not physically in attendance able to participate/witness what's going on | 15:15 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: I agree that the drawing will target only the people in the room, we could duplicate the information on a pad? | 15:16 |
| mugsie_ | for these discussions, is that a big deal? If it can be captured after, that should be good enough. | 15:16 |
| gothicmindfood | any thoughts on whether we should rely on an etherpad only, or whether it would help to have post-its/physical drawing possibilities for attendees in the room? | 15:16 |
| * gothicmindfood can certainly take pictures and mail it to the -dev list | 15:16 | |
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| dhellmann | will we have the tools to create a drawing? we don't always. | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | and what is it we're going to be drawing? that part is still not clear to me. | 15:17 |
| mugsie_ | I am in favour of physical drawings, if we have the equipment | 15:17 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Barcelona-SWG-cp | 15:17 |
| gothicmindfood | let's use ^^ for the CP session - | 15:17 |
| jroll | I'd say we don't plan on drawing things, but if we happen to have a whiteboard or something, we can draw things if it helps | 15:18 |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to update wiki with SWG CP etherpad link | 15:18 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: I'm not sure we'll have whiteboards - it might make sense for me to buy a large drawing pad and bring some markers | 15:18 |
| gothicmindfood | or maybe a couple of those? | 15:18 |
| jroll | that's fine too, if you think it'll be useful | 15:18 |
| * gothicmindfood also has a secret stash of post-its she can bring | 15:19 | |
| dhellmann | maybe we should start with a plan for what will be discussed first? | 15:19 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: yeah, I think that would help | 15:19 |
| gothicmindfood | I think there's this uncertainty right now about what we want to talk about/cover | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | right, and deciding that will help us understand what tools we may want | 15:20 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: and I talked a bit about it last week/week before re: what subjects to cover and how | 15:20 |
| gothicmindfood | (in #openstack-swg) | 15:20 |
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| gothicmindfood | do we think we'll be running down basic concepts, and explaining them a lot? do we think we'll just be taking questions from people and kind of forming discussion around that? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | well, the former sounds like a presentation, and we try not to do those in design sessions | 15:21 |
| jroll | right, we should go in with a thing we want to solve | 15:21 |
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| gothicmindfood | that sounds like a good direction | 15:22 |
| gothicmindfood | what do we want to solve? | 15:22 |
| jroll | and spend the time figuring out how to solve that thing | 15:22 |
| * dhellmann looks back at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swg-short-list-deliverables | 15:23 | |
| gothicmindfood | I think there was some sense that we were expecting feedback on what we've accomplished on that list, right? | 15:23 |
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| gothicmindfood | (thanks for the link dhellmann!) | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | I would like to solve the problem of people not getting important information because the -dev mailing list is so busy. | 15:24 |
| mugsie_ | dhellmann: ++ | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | see line 140 | 15:24 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: that would be an incredibly huge accomplishment | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | the pitch for the cp session also asks a lot of questions that might solicit interesting answers | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BarcelonaSWGMagic line 43 | 15:26 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: yeah, and I think improving communication fits well with all of that | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | as a design session, we want to either come out with a decision or some sort of next-step action we can take. how do we frame these things to support one of those two outcomes? | 15:29 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: maybe help establish priorities in what we'll work on ? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 15:29 |
| ttx | (beyond recruitment) | 15:29 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: ++ | 15:29 |
| jroll | +1 | 15:30 |
| gothicmindfood | we can hone/create our next list of deliverables based on feedback from the community, for sure | 15:30 |
| ttx | I'd like to get out of there with a sense of what matters most | 15:30 |
| alexismonville | we could ask the one thing the people want | 15:30 |
| ttx | rather than my own idea of what matters most :) | 15:30 |
| alexismonville | :) | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 on the establish priorities goal, thats a great way to get buy in on the process | 15:32 |
| gothicmindfood | so - I like that idea. Do we have anything else we expect to get out of the CP session? | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | a plan for the number 1 priority, and who does what? | 15:32 |
| * gothicmindfood figures we'll learn about context-gaps to fill for our panel session, for sure | 15:32 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | do we have a good crisp description of all the things we want, I guess that deliverables list is close | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I expect asking "what would you like to see done differently?" will either spur more discussion than we'll have time for or will expose a lack of interest that will itself be useful information | 15:33 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: right, I mean, I try to be careful with lack of context or talking around a thing to mean lack of interest, too - sometimes just not having a background or common words to use to frame a discussion can discourage it | 15:34 |
| ttx | It's fine to discuss more operational stuff like "who does what" there as well | 15:34 |
| gothicmindfood | not necessarily a lack of interest | 15:34 |
| ttx | it's a workshop, not a panel | 15:34 |
| ttx | if it's only us present in the room, we can use some of the time to get some stuff prioritized and/or started | 15:35 |
| gothicmindfood | is it an interesting place to start the discussion of visioning for the TC in particular? | 15:35 |
| ttx | maybe. It's only 40min | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I like the idea of doing that anyways | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the presence of those that may want to help / have input | 15:36 |
| ttx | we'll have different audiences at the panel and the CPW | 15:36 |
| ttx | the panel, I see it as an opportunity to reach out beyond our usual constituency and give out signals that we are working on improving leadership in openstack | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | right, keep in mind that it's only 40 minutes. if we expect to have to provide a lot of context about what we're even talking about, we're going to want to focus on 1 desirable outcome rather than try to pack it full of a bunch of topics | 15:37 |
| ttx | the workshop, as a way to reality-check with contributors and get work prioritized/started | 15:37 |
| ttx | the former is a communications exercise, the latter a work session :) | 15:38 |
| ttx | if only because only the former is recorded | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:38 |
| persia | So, avoid the context and focus on coordination for the workshop, and then use that to drive context explanation for the panel? | 15:38 |
| gothicmindfood | persia: I was wondering the same thing. | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | how many people do we expect to attend both? | 15:39 |
| gothicmindfood | I think we'll have to just find a balance for providing context where we need to, but punt to the panel discussion on issues that don't drive us forward to get us an outcome in the cp session | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would consider the workshop as an in person IRC meeting, where are are likely to be some new folks that turn up, but maybe thats just me | 15:40 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: I would assume more people will attend the panel session than the workshop. | 15:40 |
| gothicmindfood | (but that's also because the other cpw I wanted to go to is at the exact same time as ours, so maybe I'm biased) | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : I will be surprised to see many contributors in the panel session. I expect mostly other types of community members there. | 15:41 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: ah, okay. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | maybe I'm assuming there are too many interesting design sessions at that time, though | 15:41 |
| ttx | unpredictable but yes, a *lot* of upstream devs just skip conference and watch a few talks later on video | 15:42 |
| * edleafe falls into that group | 15:43 | |
| dhellmann | right | 15:43 |
| gothicmindfood | well - let me flip the question | 15:43 |
| gothicmindfood | does anyone want me to target folks for invites to either session? | 15:43 |
| gothicmindfood | TC members? PTLs? | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats certainly my approach, as I generally have one or two design summit sessions I would like to be in, before you look at the conference stuff | 15:43 |
| * gothicmindfood has a reputation for pestering people to go to things anyhow | 15:43 | |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : I think the design summit session would be useful for tc members who can attend. | 15:45 |
| ttx | +1 for considerintg the CPW session a live SWG meetign | 15:45 |
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| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: okay, I'll make sure to just let each TC member know what we're hoping to get done there. Obvs not everyone will be able to go, but getting a personal ask always helps raise awareness | 15:46 |
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| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to give cpw session info to TC members individually | 15:47 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: oh no, that's the future fundraiser for training for the whole community coming out in me! :) | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:47 |
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| gothicmindfood | well, we've meandered into open discussion anyhow, but | 15:48 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Open Discussion | 15:48 |
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| gothicmindfood | looks like we covered a lot of Barcelona already | 15:49 |
| gothicmindfood | which was the only listed topic there on our agenda | 15:49 |
| gothicmindfood | does anyone have anything else they'd like to cover? | 15:49 |
| * gothicmindfood is very psyched to see everyone who will be in Barcelona, btw | 15:49 | |
| ttx | nothing from me | 15:50 |
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| gothicmindfood | is there anyone that's *not* going to Barcelona in the group who wants us to take notes/make sure we cover anything? | 15:50 |
| * gothicmindfood will also ask in the swg channel | 15:50 | |
| gothicmindfood | ok | 15:52 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm going to end the meeting a few minutes early then | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:52 |
| gothicmindfood | thanks everyone! | 15:52 |
| gothicmindfood | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:52:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| jroll | thanks :) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swg/2016/swg.2016-10-11-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swg/2016/swg.2016-10-11-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swg/2016/swg.2016-10-11-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: thanks! | 15:53 |
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| sambetts | Its time for the Networking-cisco meeting | 16:00 |
| sambetts | #startmeeting networking_cisco | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 16:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sambetts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_cisco)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_cisco' | 16:00 |
| pc_m | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sambetts | The agenda for today can be found | 16:01 |
| caboucha | carol here | 16:01 |
| sambetts | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/networking-cisco | 16:01 |
| tbachman | sambetts: hi! | 16:01 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:02 |
| sambetts | the first thing I'm going to do is a roll call so if everyone here can response with a "o/" then it'll give us a record of the attendees | 16:02 |
| sambetts | #topic Roll call | 16:02 |
| caboucha | o/ | 16:02 |
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| pc_m | o/ | 16:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:02 |
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| bradjones | o/ | 16:03 |
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| sambetts | Ok, I can see tbachman is here too, so lets move on | 16:04 |
| sambetts | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| sambetts | The biggest annouchment I think is that we are very close to cutting release 4.0.0, we had intended to release last week, but due to CI being down and wanting to get a couple of last patches in we've pushed back | 16:05 |
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| sambetts | I hope to push the last couple of patches in today if we can, I'll talk more about those in the review priorities topic | 16:06 |
| * tbachman wonders what he missed (CVO decided to hiccup) | 16:06 | |
| sambetts | tbachman: http://paste.openstack.org/show/585353/ | 16:07 |
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| tbachman | sambetts: thx! | 16:07 |
| sambetts | The plan now is to release a 4.0.0 release ASAP and follow up with a 4.1.0 release with any further enhancments we want to get in, but releasing the 4.0.0 release gives us something to fall back to and means the finished drivers are out there ready to be used | 16:08 |
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| sambetts | The only other annouchment is that the Cisco CI is back up and posting results as of end of last week/beginning of this week | 16:10 |
| sambetts | but I'll go into that further in the CI status topic | 16:10 |
| * tbachman gives a cheer | 16:10 | |
| sambetts | are there any other annoucements people have?? | 16:10 |
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| bradjones | not from me | 16:11 |
| sambetts | Okie doke, moving onto the next topic | 16:11 |
| sambetts | #topic CI status | 16:11 |
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| sambetts | So like I said Cisco CI is now back up and running \o/ | 16:12 |
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| tbachman | sambetts: congrats, and thanks for all the hard work chasing that (and people) down! | 16:12 |
| * pc_m yay | 16:12 | |
| sambetts | after the network and other testbed issues resolved we're seeing a good turn around on patches in around 30mins per patch :D | 16:12 |
| caboucha | agreed Sam did an outstanding job | 16:12 |
| tbachman | nice! | 16:12 |
| shwetaap | yea, Thanks Sam! | 16:13 |
| sambetts | there seems to be only one hicup with the CI job for pnr-ncs, which I don't know if its a code issue or testbed issue, but I see seg faults which is weird for python code | 16:13 |
| sambetts | so I think that needs further investigation so please disregard failures caused by that in the pnr-ncs job | 16:14 |
| bradjones | sambetts: is that only for the stable newton tests? | 16:14 |
| sambetts | it seems like it | 16:15 |
| bradjones | ok | 16:15 |
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| sambetts | pc_m: any updates regarding the coverage job? I see that it is failing in most if not all patches, is it still because of the timeout issue? | 16:16 |
| sambetts | pc_m: or just poor coding ;) | 16:16 |
| bradjones | sambetts: you beat me to it ;) | 16:16 |
| * tbachman looks down at the ground, kicks rock | 16:16 | |
| pc_m | Well, it seems to be running, but for some patches it is timing out. | 16:16 |
| pc_m | We need to request a longer run time, not sure how much more time we need. | 16:17 |
| sambetts | ok, so we still need to persude infra to bump the timeout on that test, and maybe move it to experimental | 16:17 |
| pc_m | Would be good with someone that has a good relationship with infra to get more time. | 16:17 |
| pc_m | sambetts: yes | 16:17 |
| pc_m | then, later can be put back to check queue. | 16:17 |
| tbachman | pc_m: didn’t sdake offer to help with this? | 16:17 |
| tbachman | or at least connect folks? | 16:18 |
| pc_m | tbachman: yes. | 16:18 |
| pc_m | I can ping him. | 16:18 |
| sambetts | I can push on that if not, I've had quite a bit of experience with them working on refactoring the Ironic CI jobs | 16:18 |
| pc_m | We also need to (strongly) encourage people to run coverage locally, and ensure we don't make things worse. | 16:18 |
| pc_m | It works locally, since the recent fixes. | 16:18 |
| * tbachman again looks down at the ground, kicks rock with foot | 16:18 | |
| * pc_m :) | 16:19 | |
| sambetts | its something we all need to get better at heh | 16:19 |
| pc_m | Yes, or we make the job voting, but that can be painful. Self policing would be better. | 16:19 |
| sambetts | pc_m: is there a way with the coverage job to make it focus only on the files/tests changed by a patch so as to reduce the run time? | 16:20 |
| tbachman | one thing — is a number instead of a percent the right way to qualify this? | 16:20 |
| * tbachman isn’t even sure if a percent is doable…. just thinking out loud | 16:20 | |
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| pc_m | sambetts: Right now, it does a comparison based test. Runs on baseline, then on changeset and compares. | 16:20 |
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| pc_m | Difficulty is people can be adding/changing/deleting code. | 16:21 |
| * tbachman waves to SridarK | 16:21 | |
| SridarK | Hi all | 16:21 |
| sambetts | o/ SridarK | 16:21 |
| pc_m | There is a missing coverage count limit that determines if pass/fail. Set to 4 lines right now, but could be changed in project-config. | 16:22 |
| pc_m | sorry, in cover.bash script in repo. | 16:22 |
| pc_m | So, if a commit has more than 4 missing lines than previous run, it says the test fails. | 16:23 |
| tbachman | not saying that 4 lines isn’t the right thing (or 0 lines for that matter). Just throwing something out there. There are also sometimes issues I’ve seen with what it says is covered | 16:23 |
| tbachman | pc_m: I still have to try that idea on fixing testing of methods that use “pass" | 16:23 |
| pc_m | Not great, as one can game it. | 16:23 |
| pc_m | tbachman: Yes, would like to see if that pragma works. Should. | 16:24 |
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| tbachman | sometimes 100% also can be a bit cookoo. Testing a getter seems unnecessary, imho | 16:24 |
| tbachman | pc_m: will try it | 16:24 |
| sambetts | my personal stance on the functions that just have pass in them, is that they are probably there because they are disabling some code that is inherited from the parent class, if that is the case we should have a UT to make sure that the parent code is being disabled | 16:25 |
| pc_m | tbachman: Yeah, that's why I like the comparison. If we have 80% coverage (the 20% being getters), and we add code, it'll catch the missing coverage. | 16:25 |
| tbachman | pc_m: cool | 16:26 |
| pc_m | It won't complain that we haven't added coverage to the 20% of getters. | 16:26 |
| pc_m | So it is a measure of if we are getting better or worse on a commit by commit basis. | 16:26 |
| SridarK | sambetts: with the methods with just pass - we have this pattern on mixins that we inherit from too | 16:26 |
| pc_m | Not my idea, was some script developed for another repo - I just ported it for networking-cisco. | 16:27 |
| sambetts | SridarK: as in mixins that are "abstract classes" ? | 16:27 |
| SridarK | pc_m: could the coverage - reflect a percentage rather than a pass or fail ? | 16:27 |
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| SridarK | sambetts: yes | 16:27 |
| pc_m | The report will show percentage for baseline and changeset, but the test pass/fail indication is based on the # lines. To work with the job infrastructure. | 16:28 |
| sambetts | SridarK: ah, yes thats a harder case to test for | 16:29 |
| sambetts | SridarK: unless you raise a NotImplemented error or something | 16:29 |
| sambetts | SridarK: but there are still some edge cases | 16:29 |
| tbachman | whatever we do, it won’t be perfect | 16:29 |
| tbachman | but should cover the main use cases | 16:30 |
| SridarK | sambetts: with respect to coverage - we should get less anal on some of these | 16:30 |
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| pc_m | SridarK: I think the current system does that. It is only detecting if coverage is getting better or worse. | 16:30 |
| SridarK | tbachman: +1 yes and as u said earlier going for the 100% is not worth the effort | 16:30 |
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| SridarK | pc_m: ok got it - so if we stay the same level of coverage percentage or get better - we will pass the test ? | 16:31 |
| pc_m | IOW, if overall coverage is 80% with 2000 missing lines, and it goes to 2010 missing lines, then we know we didn't cover new/changed code. | 16:31 |
| sambetts | SridarK: correct | 16:32 |
| pc_m | SridarK: not based on percentage, which is tough to measure. | 16:32 |
| sambetts | so without bikeshedding to much here, I think we can improve the coverage testing itself over time, but for now we need to push to get the existing job passing and failing consitently | 16:32 |
| pc_m | Based on # lines missing coverage, specifically the delta. | 16:32 |
| SridarK | pc_m: ok makes sense | 16:32 |
| sambetts | #action Submit patch to project-config to increase timeout on coverage job | 16:33 |
| SridarK | sambetts: yes sorry lets move on | 16:33 |
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| pc_m | sambetts: Yes. #1 to get time increase. #2 getting people to pay attention to results. | 16:33 |
| sambetts | ok awesome :) | 16:33 |
| sambetts | #topic Sub/Driver team feedback | 16:33 |
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| sambetts | So I added this topic as a chance for the individual driver/dev teams to give an update or feedback on whats going on with their plugin | 16:34 |
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| sambetts | so I'll pass the mic to you guys | 16:35 |
| SridarK | I dont see Bob M around | 16:35 |
| * tbachman wonders if we have a list of all the driver/dev teams | 16:36 | |
| sambetts | not really, ideally we need to put together one | 16:36 |
| SridarK | i can do a quick update on the L3 stuff - Bob & Shweta have been working thru the UT issues and i believe they are done with them, there are some issues on scale that i just started looking into along with Bob & Shweta | 16:36 |
| SridarK | tbachman: i think u may have more updates on the L3 stuff from ur side as well | 16:36 |
| caboucha | For Nexus Driver, only changes recently is refactor unit tests. | 16:37 |
| tbachman | I’ve got a few more patches in the queue | 16:37 |
| tbachman | I still need to provide updates for them | 16:37 |
| tbachman | that said, I’ve been pulled onto a higher priority project for the week :( | 16:37 |
| tbachman | hopefully I’ll be able to get back to the patches soon | 16:37 |
| tbachman | but likely not before the 4.0.0 release | 16:38 |
| sdake | pc_m what do you need? | 16:38 |
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| pc_m | sdake: Will chat after meeting. | 16:39 |
| sambetts | tbachman: ok, we'll push in what we can, your ok with us cutting a 4.0.0 release without all your patches in, we'll follow up with a 4.1.0 pretty soon | 16:39 |
| sdake | pc_m roger | 16:39 |
| tbachman | sambetts: sounds good. Do you have any thoughts on the time frame for 4.1.0? | 16:39 |
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| SridarK | There has been a set of patches from the DFA folks to enable FWaaS with their fabric - these patches all just merged recently | 16:39 |
| sambetts | tbachman: your deadline is still the 15th right? or has that changed? | 16:40 |
| tbachman | sambetts: ack. But we’re releasing from our fork for this one, since they aren’t all going to be in there | 16:40 |
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| tbachman | we have a maintenance release (usually about 2 weeks afterwards), which is when I was thinking of cutting over, if things work out that way | 16:41 |
| SridarK | sambetts: would it be 4.0.x for the maintenance release ? | 16:41 |
| tbachman | sambetts: keep in mind — as long as I can get this stuff in upstream, we can create our own release artifacts (for now) | 16:41 |
| sambetts | SridarK: 4.1.0, unless everything in it is bug fixes | 16:41 |
| tbachman | (i.e. tho it would be nice to be part of the networking-cisco release, it’s not a requirement for us) | 16:41 |
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| SridarK | sambetts: ok thx | 16:42 |
| sambetts | tbachman: do you have any requirement on being included in the RedHat platform release for Newton? | 16:43 |
| sambetts | tbachman: I believe the deadline for getting our networking-cisco RPMs built for that release the 21st, anything after than will need to wait for a OSP maintainence update | 16:44 |
| tbachman | sambetts: I’d have to check on that | 16:44 |
| tbachman | and good question | 16:45 |
| tbachman | sambetts: will that be with the 4.0.0 release? | 16:45 |
| sambetts | if we can get enough merged in time I'd like it to be the 4.1.0 release | 16:46 |
| tbachman | sambetts: things should be better towards the end of this week | 16:46 |
| sambetts | but I want to get the 4.0.0 release done ASAP as something to fall back to | 16:46 |
| * tbachman has said things like that before, tho :P | 16:46 | |
| sambetts | ok, so on that note it brings us nicly onto | 16:47 |
| sambetts | #topic Review Priorities | 16:47 |
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| sambetts | Ok, so I'd like to use this section to highlight reviews to focus on | 16:49 |
| sambetts | I have been working on a gerrit dashboard that'll allow us a nicer view of the patches and their statuses for networking-cisco | 16:50 |
| sambetts | right now this is what I've got so far: | 16:51 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dcisco+status%3Aopen&title=Networking%2DCisco+Reviews&Needs+Approval=NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Cjenkins+NOT+owner%3Aself+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D2+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%2D1&Needs+Reverify=label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+lab | 16:51 |
| sambetts | el%3AVerified%3C%3D%2D1%2Cjenkins&No+Negative+Feedback+%28top+10%29=NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Cjenkins+NOT+owner%3Aself+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D2+limit%3A10&Everything+else%2C+Not+WIP+%28top+10%29=NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D2+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%2D2+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+lim | 16:51 |
| sambetts | it%3A10 | 16:51 |
| sambetts | ah... that didn't work very well | 16:51 |
| pc_m | shorten url... | 16:52 |
| sambetts | https://goo.gl/8NwEhm | 16:52 |
| pc_m | thanks | 16:52 |
| sambetts | there are some issues and I have some other sections I want to add like, top 10 most recently approved patches | 16:52 |
| sambetts | but it should allow us a cleaner view of what is ready for review and want isn't | 16:53 |
| sambetts | For me the reviews I'd like to focus on are tbachman's ASR + ACI patches as they are the thing we need to merge ASAP to get them into the 4.1.0 release | 16:54 |
| * tbachman owes some updates to some of those patches | 16:55 | |
| sambetts | as well as what you can see on that dashboard | 16:55 |
| sambetts | there are a large number of WIP patches and older patches with a lot of negative feedback I'd like to clean up | 16:56 |
| sambetts | so just need a rebase or recheck, and to see if they are still relevent | 16:57 |
| sambetts | s/so/some | 16:57 |
| sambetts | As we have 3 minutes left I'll going to move on | 16:58 |
| sambetts | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| sambetts | Any one got any thing they want to cover here? OR Any thing that they would like added to the agenda for the meeting in 2 weeks time? | 16:58 |
| sambetts | Btw feel free to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/networking-cisco yourself if you think of anything to add in the meantime | 16:59 |
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| sambetts | Thanks everyone for coming | 17:00 |
| tbachman | sambetts: thanks! | 17:00 |
| sambetts | see you in 2 weeks, same time, same channel | 17:01 |
| sambetts | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 17:01:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_cisco/2016/networking_cisco.2016-10-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_cisco/2016/networking_cisco.2016-10-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_cisco/2016/networking_cisco.2016-10-11-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| bradjones | thanks | 17:01 |
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| pc_m | bye | 17:01 |
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