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| mlavalle | Is tidwellr around? | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 15:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| haleyb | i see him "mobile" internally | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:01 |
| jschwarz | hey guys | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: hey | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Barcelona Summit is just 10 days away | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Looking forward to see many of you there | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: you going? | 15:04 |
| jschwarz | mlavalle, I am indeed | 15:04 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:04 |
| jschwarz | giving a talk, not going is risking kevinbenton and akamishnikova hunting me down | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | njohnston, jschwarz looking forward to see you there | 15:04 |
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| jschwarz | mlavalle, likewise :) | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Ocata release schedule is here: | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:05 |
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| njohnston | mlavalle: looking forward to it! | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Please note that Ocata-1 is the week of November 14 - 18 | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Also note that Ocata will be a relatively short cycle | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | any other annoucements from the team? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | If not, let's move on | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540983 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Oleg has been trying to replicate this one | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: do you know anything about this one? | 15:10 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: it's been a while since i looked closely besides reverting the test skip | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks. I'll ping Oleg later today | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556991 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556991 in neutron "Isolated metadata will not work if ipv6 subnet is created first" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | There is a fixed proposed for this bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293237/ | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I think it is in good shape to be reviewed by cores, so if you have a chance, please take a look | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I can review. | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: thanks! | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | I had a conversation with john-davidge earlier today about this one. He has agreed to work on it | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | He already assigned himself to it | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | so we will see progress next week | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1631693 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1631693 in neutron "prefix delegation does not work in newton" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge is also working on this one. Proposed fix is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384577/ | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | It already has a +2 from haleyb. Thanks! | 15:19 |
| * carl_baldwin looks ... | 15:19 | |
| mlavalle | maybe carl_baldwin can nudge it forward | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | For this one, I have been checking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374106/2 | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I rechecked it twice since last night and the build has succeeded | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | So I am going to recheck the patchset a few more times today and tomorrow. If I don't see the failure, I am going to mark the bug as fixed | 15:24 |
| * carl_baldwin forgets how that one was assigned to him | 15:24 | |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, right. | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: do you want to assign me to it? | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | It is fine. | 15:25 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: should we then push the patch to not skip the test? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: let me play with it today and tomorrow. If I don't see the failure by tomorrow night, yes, let's not skip the test | 15:26 |
| haleyb | +1 | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | ok, sounds like a plan | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I'll assign it to you. | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: sounds good | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I saw johnbelamaric joining the meeting | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | any updates? | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | This one has a partial fix | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll take a look at this one today. | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: Thanks | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Next one is about docs | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580780 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580780 in neutron " Associate subnets to segments through subnet API" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | Is this addressed by the docs you are writing for routed networks, carl_baldwin ? | 15:35 |
| * carl_baldwin looks... | 15:36 | |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013 | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll make sure it is addressed. | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it is but there might be one or two things to add. | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1593846 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593846 in neutron "[Doc] Fix designate dns driver for SSL based endpoints" [High,New] | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | For this one I will add a section to the DNS chapter in the Networking Guide | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | I'll do it over the next few days | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Sounds good. | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | Finally https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1555382 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555382 in neutron " Queries for DVR-aware floating IP next-hop lookups" [High,Confirmed] | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | I will ping tidwellr to see if he can help | 15:40 |
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| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: sorry, not updates now, I haven't heard from aliaks on it, I will sync with him | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | johnbelamaric: thanks! Much appreciated | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team? | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: do you want to mention something here? | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | I got a draft of the docs up. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | It is ready for review. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013/ | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like I have a little feedback to address. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks sam-i-am and johndavidge | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll get on that today. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | The API docs are looking pretty good. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374434/ | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | On the integration with the Nova scheculer front, we have a patchset with 99% complete functionality | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358658/ | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | The only missing piece is to enable the association of aggregates to resource pools | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | I will do that as soon as the Nova team dlivers that piece | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | So right now I am writing unit tests | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Does Nova have a patch as a wip? | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Yes | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | take that back | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | it is not wip | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | I will add a reference to it in the commit message of my patchset | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | it is being actvely worked | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | cool | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | The tempest api tests are making great progress | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353115/ | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | I think it is good for reviews | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | Thanks to janzian for his hard work on this | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 Thanks, janzian | 15:51 |
| janzian | Happy to help :) | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | Please take a look if you have a chance | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | Moving on.... | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | I don't see tidwellr around | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | so we are going to skip BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics from the team? | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | ok team | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 15:54 |
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| mlavalle | Have a great day / afternoon / evening | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 15:54:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-13-15.01.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-13-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-13-15.01.log.html | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:55 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair etoews elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| ediardo | o/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | \o | 16:01 |
| cdent | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| jlopezgu | o/ | 16:01 |
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| etoews | wow. big crowd. | 16:01 |
| elmiko | seriously =) | 16:01 |
| edleafe | I understood that there would be punch and pie | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:01 |
| cdent | just as a point of order before we get rolling, I'm pretty heavily invested in at least one of these agenda items, so I'd like to recuse myself from writing the newsletter this time. otherwise i'm likely to over-editorialize | 16:01 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:02 |
| elmiko | you have got me curious what all the hub-bub is about | 16:02 |
| cdent | that out of the way: | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
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| cdent | I was going to follow up on the bof at summit. I found it, i was just never informed that it was accepted | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16817/api-working-group-meetup | 16:03 |
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| cdent | that moves us directly into the first topic on open mic | 16:04 |
| cdent | #topic open mic | 16:04 |
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| cdent | which is summit update | 16:04 |
| cdent | I had been under the impression that the idea for there being api usability tests at the summit had died down, but that's not the case, it was another communication drop | 16:05 |
| cdent | There will be api related tests monday morning. When I'm not there. | 16:05 |
| elmiko | api usability tests? | 16:05 |
| cdent | yeah, I'm not sure how that works either, but that's part of the plan | 16:05 |
| * cdent locates links | 16:05 | |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:05 |
| cdent | #link | 16:06 |
| cdent | #undo | 16:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7fd8b5f49490> | 16:06 |
| cdent | #link api usability: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UX#Participate_in_a_usability_study_being_conducted_at_the_Barcelona_Summit.21 | 16:06 |
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| * elmiko looks | 16:06 | |
| cdent | There's been a lack of written information so it has failed to progress with any real substance, as of yet | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | sounds cool, i'm surprised there hasn't been more noise of collaboration with us | 16:07 |
| etoews | there was an email thread... | 16:07 |
| edleafe | yeah, didn't see anything about APIs there | 16:07 |
| elmiko | etoews: ahh, gotcha. thanks | 16:07 |
| cdent | elmiko: I've made several efforts with the organizers to get them to send more email about it | 16:08 |
| cdent | over and over | 16:08 |
| cdent | and failed every single time | 16:08 |
| elmiko | that's a bummer | 16:08 |
| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osux-api-oct2016 | 16:08 |
| cdent | both in the sense of "send email to the list" and "send me email about this, if you can't do that, because I can't schedule a webex with my current schedule, but would love to talk more" | 16:09 |
| elmiko | oh yeah, this does job my memory | 16:09 |
| elmiko | s/job/jog/ | 16:09 |
| cdent | I have response pending to again redirect to the public list, at which point I think we have to say "we tried" | 16:10 |
| etoews | dimes to dollars sez all of the feedback will be about the documentation (which is fair) and not about the actual api (which is unfortunate) | 16:10 |
| elmiko | that seems highly likely etoews | 16:10 |
| edleafe | etoews: yup | 16:11 |
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| cdent | the orchestrator is piet kruithof at intel, if anyone has contact with him, there's probably an opportunity to help shape things | 16:12 |
| cdent | shall we move on? | 16:12 |
| etoews | piet_: ^^ | 16:12 |
| piet_ | etoews Hiya | 16:13 |
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| piet_ | Ohhhh API folks? Want to chat about the study? | 16:13 |
| etoews | piet_: have you read the scrollback? | 16:14 |
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| piet_ | Just got out of another meeting | 16:15 |
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| piet_ | Reading now | 16:16 |
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| cdent | can we return to this at the end if there is time? I'd like to make sure we take advantage of ediardo while he's here (and vice versa) | 16:16 |
| etoews | cdent: yep. let's move on. | 16:16 |
| piet_ | Sure | 16:16 |
| ediardo | hi | 16:16 |
| cdent | so next topic is that ediardo has some ideas that might be useful for enhancing the links in errors response | 16:17 |
| * ediardo grabs the mic | 16:17 | |
| cdent | #link error knowledge base proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fdRuPsIenaulxjXGgEK35UeWORiwOPpdX7OxL6E-ICw/edit | 16:17 |
| * cdent cedes the floor | 16:17 | |
| ediardo | Eddie Ramirez here, working at intel. There's this tiny demo we did and we believe you folks should see it :) | 16:17 |
| ediardo | #link same doc but on etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-error-messages ;) | 16:18 |
| ediardo | So, we did a script that pulls http status codes and explanation messages from 4 core projects | 16:18 |
| ediardo | #link And made this website http://172.99.106.155/exceptions/ | 16:18 |
| etoews | nifty | 16:19 |
| ediardo | The idea is to concentrate all API errors into a single place and create a new website under the .openstack.org domain | 16:19 |
| elmiko | very cool | 16:19 |
| ediardo | we managed to collect ~800 error messages from keystone, nova, cinder and glance, | 16:19 |
| etoews | ediardo: this sounds like it's a perfect fit for this http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/errors.html#errors-documentation | 16:19 |
| cdent | etoews: yup exactly | 16:19 |
| ediardo | This thing still needs more work, of course, but I want to hear from you guys and know what other similar efforts have been started | 16:20 |
| ediardo | Yes | 16:20 |
| etoews | none that i'm aware | 16:20 |
| etoews | of | 16:20 |
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| ediardo | I find that example very useful | 16:20 |
| edleafe | ediardo: just scanned it briefly - is there anything that points out inconsistencies? | 16:20 |
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| ediardo | not sure how to answer that question, could you explain a little bit more? | 16:21 |
| * cdent just noticed he's in the land of nicks that start with 'e' | 16:21 | |
| etoews | ediardo: you might want to ping sdague about similar efforts but i expect yours is the best going | 16:21 |
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| edleafe | cdent: you're outnumbered | 16:22 |
| cdent | rather | 16:22 |
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| cdent | ediardo: is there a next step that you're hoping to get from api-wg or is more of a matter of us all nodding and saying "cool"? :) | 16:23 |
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| ediardo | Those error messages were pulled from the exceptions.py file, some services don't have ALL of the exceptions in this file that's one thing that would require a tedious work | 16:23 |
| ediardo | Yes | 16:23 |
| etoews | cool | 16:23 |
| * elmiko nods | 16:24 | |
| elmiko | cool | 16:24 |
| ediardo | I would like to get more direction and people | 16:24 |
| * etoews something we all want ;) | 16:24 | |
| ediardo | looks like working with the person you said is the next step | 16:24 |
| edleafe | ediardo: sorry, didn't see your question | 16:25 |
| edleafe | ediardo: I meant, did you do any comparison of these error messages across projects? | 16:25 |
| ediardo | Not yet edleage | 16:25 |
| edleafe | ediardo: in the sense of, given a similar exception, projects do/don't handle it the same. | 16:25 |
| etoews | that sounds like it might be a step for further down the road | 16:26 |
| ediardo | wehaven't done that yet | 16:26 |
| edleafe | ok, cool - just wondering where you were with this | 16:26 |
| etoews | ediardo: what's the next step you want to take and can we help or have we already done it? | 16:26 |
| ediardo | some many stuff could be done once all your base belong to us | 16:26 |
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| ediardo | sorry, all the api errors belong to us | 16:26 |
| ediardo | Should I propose a patch and start the conversation ? | 16:27 |
| ediardo | how's the process here? | 16:27 |
| cdent | ediardo: it depends on what you're proposing to patch? | 16:28 |
| ediardo | A patch with detailed information about this project, how projects would facilitate the collection of api error messages, etc | 16:28 |
| ediardo | The JSON Example... | 16:28 |
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| ediardo | You knoe, come up with a clear vision of where this goes... | 16:29 |
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| ediardo | any direction will be appreciated | 16:30 |
| etoews | ediardo: do you envision this as a "top-level" openstack project? | 16:30 |
| cdent | ediardo: I think the project and the plan is a good idea, but it is not something we'd want to hook into the api-wg guidelines until it was further down the road | 16:30 |
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| cdent | so I'd say that the thing the immediate next steps are: | 16:30 |
| cdent | talk to sdague to see if he knows of other things like it | 16:31 |
| cdent | post to the os-dev list describing what you're doing and seeking feedback | 16:31 |
| ediardo | got it | 16:32 |
| etoews | i think this is probably something worthy of being in the big tent at the top-level. considering it seems like it's going to be a running service, questions of care and feeding of said service will come up sooner than later so be prepared to answer those. | 16:32 |
| cdent | I suspect that more ideas will come out of the feedback on list | 16:32 |
| etoews | ediardo: please prefix the email subject with [api] | 16:33 |
| ediardo | etoews: I'll do | 16:33 |
| etoews | ediardo: this is good stuff. i look forward to seeing where it goes! | 16:33 |
| cdent | yeah, me too | 16:33 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 re: big tent | 16:33 |
| ediardo | Thank you guys | 16:34 |
| ediardo | We appreciate your feedback | 16:34 |
| cdent | cool | 16:35 |
| * cdent nods | 16:35 | |
| cdent | :) | 16:35 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:35 |
| cdent | let's skip the porcelain thing, as it will keep | 16:35 |
| cdent | and leap forward to | 16:35 |
| cdent | #topic GET with request body vs. querystring vs. POST (edleafe) | 16:35 |
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| cdent | #link came up in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300178/ | 16:35 |
| edleafe | oh boy oh oboy oh boy | 16:35 |
| cdent | #link with commentary on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385618/1/specs/ocata/approved/resource-providers-get-by-request.rst | 16:36 |
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| cdent | #link and references in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/978061/http-get-with-request-body | 16:36 |
| edleafe | So one thing we want to establish guidelines first, and then follow them in Nova | 16:36 |
| edleafe | Rather than the other way around, which has been the historical pattern | 16:37 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:37 |
| edleafe | The question is how to best represent a filter to a GET-like request | 16:37 |
| edleafe | traditionally one would use a query string | 16:37 |
| edleafe | but some feel that the string could be long and ugly | 16:38 |
| edleafe | I'm not very concerned about ugly - after all, it's for computers, not people | 16:38 |
| edleafe | Length limits are an issue, but apache can take a string over 8000 chars | 16:39 |
| edleafe | I don't see us hitting that | 16:39 |
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| edleafe | The alternative would be to GET with a body | 16:39 |
| edleafe | Although the support for that is very iffy | 16:39 |
| edleafe | specifically, caches and proxies are not supposed to support bodies in GETs | 16:40 |
| elmiko | i thought there was some question if all the http middleware/frameworks we use support body for GETs | 16:40 |
| cdent | (that apache limit isn't a uri limit, it's for "field", and we're not actually sure what that is, the uri limit is longer) | 16:40 |
| edleafe | So we are also considering a POST with a body | 16:40 |
| edleafe | But many object on the grounds that POST feels like it should be creating resources | 16:40 |
| cdent | note also that this etherpad is currently active: | 16:40 |
| edleafe | even though the docs say otherwise | 16:40 |
| cdent | #link etherpad discussing other proposals: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-request-providers | 16:40 |
| edleafe | cdent: I ran some tests on qs length. Results are in the same etherpad | 16:41 |
| cdent | oh cool, thanks edleafe | 16:41 |
| cdent | so anyway, there are two issues here: | 16:41 |
| edleafe | elmiko: exactly, which is why we've been pushing back on the GET+body approach | 16:42 |
| cdent | one is resolving the problem in a correct way and making a guideline for this kind of thing | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | hmm | 16:42 |
| cdent | two is dealing with projects that express unwillingness to be concerned with standards and guidelines | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | nothing about this changes that stance though | 16:43 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, we obviously need #1 first | 16:43 |
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| cdent | edleafe: I'm not certain about that ordering: the api-wg has alreayd said: if all else follow the rfcs | 16:43 |
| edleafe | we need consensus on a guideline before we can criticize some group for not following it :) | 16:44 |
| cdent | the rfcs don't like get with a body | 16:44 |
| edleafe | cdent: but they don't prohibit it, either | 16:44 |
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| cdent | they prohibit it meaning anything | 16:44 |
| edleafe | cdent: and it will work (most of the time) | 16:44 |
| edleafe | So does anyone else have any opinions on this? | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | in general, i think i lean towards the request params side of the force for shaping a GET | 16:46 |
| elmiko | seems easy, but i understand the reasons why ppl may not like it | 16:46 |
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| etoews | agreed | 16:46 |
| etoews | (sorry my internet connection dropped there for a bit) | 16:46 |
| etoews | the "the URL is ugly" argument is silly | 16:47 |
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| etoews | if the URL length limit argument turns out to be valid then other options could be considered | 16:47 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:48 |
| edleafe | OK, it seems that there is no significant disagreement | 16:49 |
| cdent | I think it is important to be able to articulate why this is the better way to go and what a second option should be | 16:49 |
| edleafe | How about I write up a proposed guideline? | 16:49 |
| cdent | (I think the second option is POST with a body) | 16:49 |
| cdent | edleafe++ | 16:49 |
| etoews | +1 | 16:49 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:50 |
| cdent | #action: edleafe will write up proposed guideline for complex queries | 16:50 |
| edleafe | cool | 16:50 |
| elmiko | agreed that we should be well rationed about this, but it is one of those gray areas that can descend into religious holy wars | 16:50 |
| cdent | the thing that actually enrages me most about this process is people insisting that POST means a write | 16:50 |
| edleafe | elmiko: that's exactly why we should have a guideline for that | 16:51 |
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| elmiko | edleafe: agreed | 16:51 |
| edleafe | cdent: in 99% of the cases that's true | 16:51 |
| elmiko | cdent: yeah, i mean you could take an extreme position and say that the POST is creating an ephemeral resource which only exists for the lifetime of the request ;) | 16:51 |
| cdent | not really, if you consider forms | 16:51 |
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| cdent | POST has no built in semantics | 16:51 |
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| cdent | web form post is a complex query | 16:52 |
| etoews | that's a side discussion | 16:52 |
| elmiko | true, but don't we start to travel a winding road back to "why can't i have action endpoints with POST?" | 16:52 |
| etoews | elmiko: do you mind taking the newsletter? i have another meeting after this. | 16:52 |
| cdent | etoews: I think it's germane because not understanding what the methods mean is part of what has made these discussions so long | 16:52 |
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| elmiko | etoews: sure, might take me a few, i have a couple meetings as well | 16:52 |
| elmiko | :/ | 16:52 |
| cdent | elmiko: action endpoints has come up in this discussion too | 16:53 |
| elmiko | gotcha | 16:53 |
| edleafe | cdent: I see stuff like this all the time explaining REST and HTTP verbs: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-restful/ | 16:53 |
| edleafe | They map the verbs to CRUD operations | 16:53 |
| cdent | sure and that's bogus | 16:53 |
| edleafe | of course | 16:54 |
| edleafe | but it's out there | 16:54 |
| edleafe | and if you read it on the internet, it has to be true | 16:54 |
| * cdent is not sure what we're discussing :) | 16:54 | |
| cdent | anyway we are quickly running out of time | 16:54 |
| cdent | and we should hit | 16:54 |
| cdent | #topic null/special case in time intervals: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383862/8 | 16:55 |
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| etoews | cdent: looks like you can workflow+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364460/ | 16:55 |
| elmiko | i'll get this newsletter out by eob today | 16:56 |
| cdent | done | 16:56 |
| cdent | i reckonthis can be merged too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385128/ | 16:56 |
| etoews | done | 16:57 |
| cdent | rad | 16:57 |
| cdent | I reckon that's end of time then | 16:59 |
| cdent | any last words? | 16:59 |
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| cdent | #action elmiko make the newsletter go | 16:59 |
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| etoews | good day to you fine sirs | 16:59 |
| elmiko | later | 16:59 |
| edleafe | cdent: end of time? Heavy. | 16:59 |
| * cdent is catastrophic | 16:59 | |
| cdent | thanks everyone, we'll have some leftovers for next time | 17:00 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 17:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | anyone around for some app-catalog meeting? =) | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | I'm here | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | but we can skip it | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | imho | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: high there, have any update? or shall we postpone that till next week/summit? | 17:05 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick is not with us, unfortunately | 17:05 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: I vote for postpone | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, looks like we need sskripnick to get any updates anyway =) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so unless someone shows up with updates on glare or anything else — I'll stick around for 10 more minutes ) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, officially skipping the meeting today ) | 17:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 18:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | # #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Oct_13th_2016 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there were a few bugs on the server side, client and UI which were fixed over the last few days | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont have anything critical at my end | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382036/ | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “fix proxy_group migration default” | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: are you planning on updating that patch? | 18:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: looking | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:03 |
| songole | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the db migtation scheme | 18:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yeah I'll update | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | scheme -> schema script | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: ok great, thanks | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: this one needs another +2 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1630903 | 18:04 |
| igordcard | hi | 18:04 |
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| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok, will do | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: the NFP patches are in the queue for a long time | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: also the NFP gate test keeps failing intermittently, but is more often ow | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: is there anything we need to discuss on that front here? | 18:06 |
| songole | Jagadish is on vacation this week. They will get to it early next week. | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay thanks | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i noticed some spurious posts a couple of weeks back, e.g. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380661/ | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was another patch which was posted as a revert of my patch by the same author ^^^ | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure what is going on | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if anyone else has seen or heard of this before | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Queue DHCP and Nova notifications | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queue DHCP and Nova notifications (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:08 | |
| tbachman | the email address on that is weird | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384282/ | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yeah, i tried to dig up | 18:09 |
| tbachman | xaxadmin | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: but no leads | 18:09 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: did you talk to any Infra folks? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: interesting thing is that it was against the GBP projects | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: no i didnt | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: should have | 18:09 |
| * tbachman blames it on russian hackers ;) | 18:09 | |
| tbachman | lol | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: the openstack wiki system was heavily under attack | 18:10 |
| tbachman | yeah -- I recalll that | 18:11 |
| tbachman | not sure what that is | 18:11 |
| tbachman | but certainly doesn't seem legitimate | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yeah | 18:11 |
| tbachman | and not sure how/why it's happening | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so regarding the above patch | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i got comments from rkukura and tbachman | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the queueing in this patch is currently triggered only for aim_mapping driver | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the goal is to eventually move the resource_mapping driver also to a async style like the aim_mapping driver | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we would use this queueing over there as well | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding rkukura’s comment about extending this to other notifications which neutron makes, but original goal was to only address the notifications we send from local_api | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and my understanding was that it would fix the DHCP issue we were facing by doing this | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | queueing up all notifications going out from the neutron server is more challenging | 18:14 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree we can change this later if we need to queue other notifications, such as those made by ML2 | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i have been thinking about how we can do that | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but will require some more prototyping | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for now i am hoping that we can make progress with the framework i have proposed in the patch, and validate tif it actually fixes the issue | 18:15 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Quick question: do notifications only get queued if there is a transaction? I.e. do they get sent immediately if there is no transaction? | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good question, currently everything that gets called from that local_api module is within a transaction | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: at least to the extent that i observed | 18:16 |
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| rkukura | So I’m a bit concerns something could get queued but not sent until the next transaction | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so if a notification is not being pushed from the local_api, it will not get queued | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no, that wont happen | 18:17 |
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| rkukura | s/concerns/concerned/ | 18:17 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: dumb question - do you listen for these notifications on rabbit and fwd them to APIC? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i can check that the notification_queue is empty at the end of the test | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: no, we just queue up the notifications before sending them to rabbit | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: there is kind of an interceptor which queues up the calls that were intended to go the message queue | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: in my debugging i had checked that all notifications were always getting sent out, as there were no notifications that remained in the queue forever | 18:19 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I kind of think the add_notification_to_queue should just send immediately if transaction_key is None, rather than returning | 18:19 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: Ah ok. thanks | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i can explain offline if you have more questions | 18:21 |
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| songole | thank you | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the UTs i am trying to compare the order and content of the notifications between those sent when there is no queuing versus those when there is queuing | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in case it was not apparent from the UTs | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the patching of the uuid and mac generation in the UTs to aid in comparison | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that i get the same resource identities in successive runs, and i can just compare them directly | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any more thoughts/concerns on this patch? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we need to discuss today? | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i wont be travelling to Barcelona | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe Ivar will be there, so he will have to keep the GBP flag flying :-) | 18:25 |
| songole | Any GBP sessions planned during the Summit? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i havent planned anything at my end since i wont be travelling | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if you are planning to attend, please feel free to schedule | 18:26 |
| igordcard | my qos patch failed to merge, I haven't yet checked the logs but will do soon | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i think MikeC might have some talks in the vendor forum | 18:26 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I am not traveling either. Prasad is going | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: great thanks | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: let me know if you need me to look at anything, sorry we should have merged this patch much earlier | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:27 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: okay, thanks | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i have feeling this has something to do with the requirements or upper-constraints | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright thanks all | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see you next time! | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:28 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: bye! | 18:28 |
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| songole | bye | 18:28 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 18:28:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-10-13-18.01.html | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-10-13-18.01.txt | 18:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-10-13-18.01.log.html | 18:28 |
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| igordcard | bye | 18:28 |
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| SWDevAngel | Hi Shamail | 19:03 |
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| rocky_g | hey SWDevAngel ! | 19:04 |
| SWDevAngel | Hey Rockster! | 19:04 |
| SWDevAngel | Do you know if ItShamail is having his meeting today? | 19:05 |
| SWDevAngel | Oops, i mean itzshamail | 19:06 |
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| SWDevAngel | ildikov I've got a question for you | 19:09 |
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| ildikov | SWDevAngel: shoot :) | 19:11 |
| ildikov | SWDevAngel: they had a meeting last week | 19:13 |
| SWDevAngel | Oh - somehow I'm not on that mailing list. It was still on my cal for today. Okay... my question... Just typed it in twitter to you. | 19:13 |
| ildikov | SWDevAngel: I don't see a reminder for today, so they might decided to skip | 19:13 |
| SWDevAngel | Oh shoot. Twitter network error. Urgh! Okay - typing it again | 19:14 |
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| ildikov | SWDevAngel: the meeting slot is in my calendar too as it is a registered meeting in OpenStack | 19:14 |
| SWDevAngel | Me too. I just emailed itzshamail. I'm guessing he cancelled it (but not on the gmail cal invite) | 19:14 |
| SWDevAngel | Also - when is the next WoOS meeting? (Having major Outlook issues so things aren't syncing that that one seems to have fallen off...) | 19:15 |
| SWDevAngel | (That's not my question for you tho... back to Twitter...) | 19:15 |
| ildikov | SWDevAngel: I'm attending only the mentoring meetings on Wednesdays | 19:16 |
| ildikov | SWDevAngel: I think they are usually on Mondays, but many meetings get cancelled the week before the Summit due to travels, etc. | 19:16 |
| ildikov | SWDevAngel: so I don't know for sure when the next meeting is scheduled | 19:17 |
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