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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 13:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:01 |
| dtroyer | Good Thursday OSC-ers, anyone here yet? | 13:01 |
| RuiChen | o/ | 13:01 |
| huanxuan | o/ | 13:01 |
| dtroyer | courtesy ping: dhellmann, rtheis, stevemar, sheel,, thingee, ankur-gupta-f | 13:01 |
| huanxuan | hi dtroyer and RuiChen | 13:02 |
| RuiChen | hi huanxuan :) | 13:02 |
| dtroyer | OK, let's get started. | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-weekly-meeting | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | that is the agenda, which I was just filling out a few minutes ago... | 13:03 |
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| dtroyer | basically, right now we are focused on a couple of things toward getting two more releases before the freeze in a couple of weeks | 13:04 |
| dtroyer | #topic releases | 13:04 |
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| dtroyer | We want to make a release soon, this week yet if possible, that fixes all of the SDK issues so the blacklists for SDK 0.9.11 and 0.9.12 can be removed | 13:05 |
| stevemar | o/ | 13:05 |
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| dtroyer | There are currently a couple of new-ish issues getting in the way of that | 13:05 |
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| huanxuan | yes | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | can stevemar or huanxuan summarize that for us? (I've only skimmed the scrollback so far) | 13:06 |
| RuiChen | yeah, some guys report bugs about 0.9.2 sdk in channel yesterday | 13:06 |
| huanxuan | yes, jiahui was fix them | 13:07 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: you can summarize the current gate issues :) | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | ((RuiChen, you mean 0.9.12?)) | 13:07 |
| RuiChen | yes, sorry 0.9.12 | 13:07 |
| huanxuan | stevemar: the current gate issues is about the unit test... | 13:08 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: i think there are 2 gate issues with unit tests? | 13:09 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: one for test_image: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419445/ | 13:10 |
| stevemar | and another about Network qos rule | 13:10 |
| huanxuan | yes, and two for test_network_qos_rule | 13:10 |
| stevemar | you can see one of them here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419067/ | 13:10 |
| huanxuan | I think ralonsoh_ is working on them now | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | I can reproduce the qos rule one locally | 13:10 |
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| stevemar | weird how that got merged! | 13:11 |
| ralonsoh_ | huanxuan: I'm on it | 13:11 |
| ralonsoh_ | because it only fails when scp_mark=0 | 13:11 |
| ralonsoh_ | dscp_mark | 13:11 |
| huanxuan | yes, I guess it is | 13:11 |
| ralonsoh_ | and it's random | 13:11 |
| huanxuan | http://logs.openstack.org/45/419445/1/check/gate-python-openstackclient-python27-ubuntu-xenial/db77b56/console.html#_2017-01-12_12_37_46_480826 | 13:12 |
| huanxuan | Note that I found two errors in qos rule | 13:12 |
| huanxuan | the second one is also caused by scp_mark=0 right? | 13:13 |
| ralonsoh_ | both | 13:13 |
| huanxuan | ok, thank you ralonsoh_ | 13:13 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: i think they are the qos rule create and set? both trying to set dscp_mark=0 ? | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | do we have a fix proposed for that yet? | 13:14 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: no, ralonsoh_ is on it | 13:15 |
| dtroyer | ok, I'll keep a watch out for it | 13:15 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:15 |
| stevemar | we could skip the tests if necessary? | 13:15 |
| dtroyer | looks like huanxuan is on the image test already | 13:15 |
| huanxuan | yes, but not sure it works | 13:15 |
| huanxuan | I am trying to do that | 13:16 |
| dtroyer | that's another one that is racy, it passed the original review a number of times | 13:16 |
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| dtroyer | I am concerned that we are refactroing a bit too aggressively and making tests that step on each other when run in parallel | 13:17 |
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| stevemar | have to step away for a bit, sorry | 13:18 |
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| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419445/ has already failed py27 unit tests | 13:18 |
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| dtroyer | with the qos failure | 13:19 |
| * dtroyer sigs | 13:19 | |
| huanxuan | I saw it, it failed by the qos rule | 13:19 |
| dtroyer | we may need to hit both in a single review? | 13:19 |
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| dtroyer | ralonsoh_: what is your estimate for fixing the qos unit tests? | 13:19 |
| ralonsoh_ | 15 mins | 13:19 |
| ralonsoh_ | i'm passing the test locally | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | ok, cool. let's run that and if we can merge it we'll swing back and get the image test | 13:20 |
| huanxuan | ok | 13:20 |
| stevemar | back | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | if it doesn't get through the check due to the image test, lets go ahead and merge the two reviews | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | we don't need to wait for all jobs to finish… does everyone know how to check the results as it runs? | 13:21 |
| stevemar | you can see results here http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ as they run, just type in the project name or patch number :) | 13:22 |
| dtroyer | yes, thanks stevemar | 13:22 |
| huanxuan | thanks stevemar | 13:22 |
| dtroyer | the unit tests are fairly quick so we'll see a failure soon-ish | 13:23 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:23 |
| huanxuan | I see it | 13:23 |
| huanxuan | thank you | 13:23 |
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| dtroyer | ok, after the unit tests are clear, we think the functional tests are too now, correct? | 13:24 |
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| huanxuan | yeah | 13:24 |
| ralonsoh | sorry for the delay. QoS fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419461/ | 13:24 |
| dtroyer | thank you ralonsoh | 13:24 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 13:24 |
| huanxuan | nice! thank you ralonsoh | 13:24 |
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| RuiChen | thank you ralonsoh | 13:25 |
| dtroyer | so https://review.openstack.org/419129 needs to merge first, then https://review.openstack.org/418650 should be clear. at which point we can remove the requirements change and merge that and be done with the skips | 13:25 |
| dtroyer | _that_ is when I am proposing we do the next release | 13:26 |
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| dtroyer | I'm looking at the release notes in parallel to all of this | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | so there may be the traditional relnote cleanup to merge last and that'll be the release commit (if we need it) | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | so far it looks good, we're doing much better at the release notes! | 13:27 |
| stevemar | we've been fixing the rel notes before merging | 13:27 |
| stevemar | ;) | 13:27 |
| stevemar | oh one more bug should be fixed before releasing... | 13:28 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418221/ | 13:28 |
| RuiChen | I have a new idea about it | 13:28 |
| dtroyer | that, however, is not a proper fix | 13:29 |
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| stevemar | RuiChen: whats the new idea? | 13:29 |
| dtroyer | we have to hack around auth plugin stuffs already due to o-c-c | 13:29 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: nice job investigating so far | 13:29 |
| RuiChen | how about add a new global option --legacy-networking=true/false, user decide which one he want talk to neutron or nova-network, we only need to do small modification in is_network_endpoint_enabled() | 13:29 |
| RuiChen | thank you, stevemar | 13:29 |
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| dtroyer | There is no OS_NETWORK_API_VERSION=1 now (Neutron started at v2), we could use that as the trigger | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | changing the default now is huge though, and is likely to break things, so we would have to queue that for osc 4 | 13:31 |
| RuiChen | you mean OS_NETWORK_API_VERSION=1 is nova-network? | 13:31 |
| RuiChen | for osc | 13:31 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: do users normally set OS_NETWORK_API_VERSION=1 to use nova-net? | 13:31 |
| dtroyer | in theory yes | 13:31 |
| stevemar | ha, theory | 13:31 |
| stevemar | we've never made them do it before :) | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | although our code doesn't recognize v1, so making it do that to force using nova-net would not break anything | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: no, that doesn't do anything now | 13:32 |
| dtroyer | we rely soley on the sc, which needs auth, which… | 13:32 |
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| stevemar | can we catch the exception and retry with real credentials? | 13:34 |
| stevemar | sc => service catalog (to get the authentication information) | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | if we had real credentials it would work already, this fails when those are not present. | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | correct? | 13:35 |
| stevemar | oh right, this only happens if there is no auth information right? | 13:35 |
| RuiChen | we support no auth to show help message now | 13:35 |
| dtroyer | so modifying the is_network_endpoint_enabled() check in client manager to fall back to api version if no sc might work | 13:35 |
| dtroyer | RuiChen: right, and we need to keep it that way as much as possible | 13:35 |
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| RuiChen | the current question is that we pass usename and others to Token class | 13:37 |
| RuiChen | these merge the fake token and correct user options | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: can I submit a change to ksa that removes all of the extra arg checking? that causes more problems than it helps I think… | 13:38 |
| dtroyer | token can just ignore username, and phase_of_moon for that matter if it doesn't want to see them | 13:38 |
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| stevemar | bah, you'd have to bug jamie to see what he set it up that way, probably for backwards compat reasons | 13:39 |
| dtroyer | will jamielennox die with frustration? :) | 13:39 |
| stevemar | arggg... this is a tough one | 13:40 |
| dtroyer | it forces us to filter out everyhting a user may have lying around that the current auth type can't deal with. that is a plugin function. | 13:40 |
| dtroyer | maybe I split them into two layers and we get to bypass the comatibility-checking layer | 13:40 |
| dtroyer | I think we only care about required-but-missing, not unwanted-but-present args | 13:41 |
| stevemar | to clarify what i said earlier, this only happens if authentication info is present (since it conflicts), if there are none then we are all clear | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | anyway, thats for another day, and we'd still have to fight through o-c-c to do it too | 13:41 |
| stevemar | going back to my catch and retry idea | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | ok, yeah | 13:42 |
| stevemar | can we catch the TypeError and retry by removing the TOKEN and URL ? | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | so catch and remove auth info altogether? | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | that too | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | lets try it | 13:42 |
| RuiChen | ok, I will try it | 13:43 |
| dtroyer | ralonsoh_: https://review.openstack.org/419461 cleared unit tests! | 13:44 |
| huanxuan | nice | 13:44 |
| ralonsoh_ | dtroyer: perfect! | 13:45 |
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| dtroyer | ok, so I also wanted to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418183/ and if that needs to get into the first release | 13:46 |
| dtroyer | more SDK bits | 13:46 |
| stevemar | no idea :) | 13:48 |
| dtroyer | I'll test it locally on sdk 0.9.12 and find out... | 13:49 |
| RuiChen | thank you dtroyer | 13:50 |
| dtroyer | so to summarize, we have a list for the first release that includes unit test fixes, functional test fixes, and at least one more bug fix. | 13:50 |
| huanxuan | ok, sound good | 13:50 |
| dtroyer | we may be close getting that out this week yet, so likely Monday for that release | 13:50 |
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| huanxuan | ok | 13:50 |
| RuiChen | sounds good, \o/ | 13:51 |
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| dtroyer | then we do another one that contains the remvol of the sdk blacklists (which have to get through in between) | 13:51 |
| dtroyer | and that's stable/ocata | 13:51 |
| dtroyer | phew! | 13:51 |
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| stevemar | much smoother than stable/newton ! :) | 13:52 |
| stevemar | did i just bring back nightmares for you dtroyer? :) | 13:52 |
| dtroyer | so anything else that anyone wants in the stable/ocata branch needs to be ready to go by wednesday next week | 13:52 |
| * dtroyer has an auto-block set for triggery-things | 13:52 | |
| huanxuan | actually I want to implement more cinder v2 command | 13:52 |
| dtroyer | how close is that huanxuan? | 13:53 |
| huanxuan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414197/ | 13:53 |
| stevemar | the encryption-* stuff is close! | 13:53 |
| dtroyer | ok, yes, that should be doable | 13:53 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:53 |
| stevemar | thingee: and i have been reviewing it as it goes | 13:53 |
| huanxuan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1655624 | 13:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1655624 in python-openstackclient "implement cinder "get-pools" and "get-capabilities" commands in OSC" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to aohuanxuan (huanxuan-ao) | 13:53 |
| dtroyer | we can work that once we make the release proposal, we don't need to wait for the final merges | 13:54 |
| huanxuan | I report a bug for the last two commands | 13:54 |
| huanxuan | But not sure it make sense or not | 13:55 |
| * dtroyer looking | 13:55 | |
| dtroyer | I'll respond in the bug, not sure about 'volume backend' but it may be ok | 13:55 |
| huanxuan | ok | 13:55 |
| stevemar | huanxuan: regarding the manage/unmanage commands, what happened there? | 13:55 |
| dtroyer | we have 5 minutes left | 13:55 |
| stevemar | i think we did volume manage, but not anything else? | 13:56 |
| stevemar | there is: volume manage, snapshot manage, volume unmanage, snapshot unmanage | 13:56 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:56 |
| stevemar | i think smcginnis had issues with it, or someone did? | 13:56 |
| huanxuan | I plan to let jiahui and zhiyong help me about those | 13:56 |
| RuiChen | sorry, I have a question about OSC version and bug fix | 13:57 |
| huanxuan | ok please | 13:57 |
| RuiChen | for example, Mitaka OpenStack adopt OSC version [1.8.0, 2.3.0], if a bug in current master impact the stable version 2.3.0, what we should do? | 13:57 |
| RuiChen | release 2.3.1 or latest version to ship the fix? | 13:57 |
| RuiChen | Our downstream team face the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1560157 | 13:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560157 in python-openstackclient ""openstack network list" fails with "An SSL error occurred."" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 13:58 |
| RuiChen | they want an official osc release to fix the bug, but not the latest version, because some new commands maybe can't use in Mitaka OpenStack, and the bug block whole the networking commands in SSL config. | 13:58 |
| dtroyer | we _really_ do not want to get stuck on requiring a mitaka OSC for mitaka clouds, but encourage everyone to use current OSC | 13:58 |
| vgridnev | Hey folks, seems like you out of time, right? | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | one minute yet on my clock | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | :) | 13:59 |
| vgridnev | Ok, sorry | 13:59 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: we can talk in -sdks | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | RuiChen: let's move that to -sdks | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | yes | 13:59 |
| RuiChen | ok | 13:59 |
| huanxuan | ok | 13:59 |
| dtroyer | thank you everyone! | 13:59 |
| RuiChen | thank you everyone | 13:59 |
| huanxuan | thank you ! | 13:59 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 13:59:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-12-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-12-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-01-12-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 14:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | O/ | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| zemuvier | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| zemuvier | o/ | 14:00 |
| shuyingya | Hi o/ | 14:00 |
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| raissa | o/ | 14:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:03 |
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| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:04 |
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| vgridnev | Not so much from me, I'm back from log weekends, and busy with some internal stuff around sahara | 14:04 |
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| zemuvier | updated docs for sahara tempest, continue working on my cli test patch and on ispublic/isprocted patch | 14:04 |
| tosky | usual set of reviews, and not too much on my side in the last weeks (also, vacations!), struggling on internal stuff | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm still struggling with integration of storm on vanilla plugin, might not be interesting for this cycle anymore. Still interesting and I want to do it, but I'm not the time will suit | 14:04 |
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| shuyingya | recently more concentrate on understanding sahara code and draw some time_sequence of cluster_create related. For upstream, the cdh5.9 support already done and looking for what to do next | 14:05 |
| raissa | added some missing tests to sahara-tests, some internal work also | 14:05 |
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| vgridnev | About release schedule, we have less than 2 weeks until O3 is released | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | Also, I hope to have Shaifali start sending some patches on API v2 changes in a couple weeks | 14:06 |
| tosky | yay cdh 5.9 | 14:06 |
| tosky | and vgridnev is doing a nice job on HDP 2.5 | 14:07 |
| tosky | (apart from fixing the access-through-proxy with centos) | 14:07 |
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| vgridnev | Yep, we did cdh 5.9 and HDP 2.5, we need to enable test jobs for that, I'll talks with esikachev about that (he is PTO until end of this week) | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | Anything else? | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | and I have invited an intern to work for sahara right now, who called linjiasen. If you all have some job need to do in ocata, we can help you | 14:10 |
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| tellesnobrega | that is awesome shuyingya, api v2 might be a good thing to work on | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | Uh, additionally I did announcement that I'm not going to run for Pike as PTL, so I would like to let someone else to run this role in P | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, agreed | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | I did, indeed | 14:12 |
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| shuyingya | yep, I would like to work on it. | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | maybe jiasen can help me too if I have internal stuff | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, you are talking API v2, right? | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | yes | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | sure, I can give you a hand with that as well | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-ptg-pike | 14:15 |
| shuyingya | tellesnobrega, thanks. | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | np | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | Let's start etherpad for Pike's PTG | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | We can start collecting ideas to this | 14:16 |
| tosky | I'd like to officially thanks vgridnev for all the heavy work he did in his role as PTL! | 14:16 |
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| shuyingya | vgridnev, thanks! | 14:17 |
| raissa | thanks vgridnev! | 14:17 |
| zemuvier | vgridnev: thanks :) | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, thanks for the hard work, we all really appreciate | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | Thanks all, I really appreciate that | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | :) | 14:18 |
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| jiasen | o/ | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | About the pike planning: important part is that we need to work on support of python35 for sahara | 14:20 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, yes, I saw an email about that, seems like a really important thing now | 14:20 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:21 |
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| shuyingya | Hi all, can we mount an existed volume when cluster creating? I am not familiar with heat. I read the sahara code, looks like it doesn't support. | 14:22 |
| tosky | yep, python35++ | 14:22 |
| tosky | uhm, yeah, so far we test with the creation of new volumes; not sure how complicated it would be to mount an existing volume | 14:22 |
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| tosky | then you would probably need a specific node group template only for that node (unless you define some kind of pattern, like "mount volume named 'volume<nodename>'" or so | 14:23 |
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| vgridnev | Seems like strange thing for me, and yes, there is no support for that now | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, what is the use case for that? | 14:25 |
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| vgridnev | Yeah, that will be interesting to see use case for that | 14:26 |
| shuyingya | my colleague tell me our custom would like to creating a cluster and use the data already existed in other volume. | 14:27 |
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| vgridnev | the problem is that this data has to be imported to hdfs at least, I think | 14:28 |
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| vgridnev | even if you would mount this volume to the cluster, you will need to import that into filesystem | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | it can be interesting, but I agree with vitaly, the data would need to be imported to hdfs | 14:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, wouldn't it be better to use swift? | 14:30 |
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| tellesnobrega | or is there a problem with swift? | 14:30 |
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| tosky | (or manila) | 14:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, true | 14:32 |
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| shuyingya | network broken for a while. this question I also need take more investigation. | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, it would be interesting to know if the options satisfy the use case, if not you can explain why not and we can work on that | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | Is there something else we can discuss? | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | not from my side | 14:35 |
| shuyingya | tellesnobrega, OK, we can talk about it next time | 14:36 |
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| vgridnev | sorry, was disconnected from bouncer | 14:39 |
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| vgridnev | If there is nothing else we can discuss, let's finish meeting for today | 14:39 |
| vgridnev | Thanks everyone | 14:40 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 14:40:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-12-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-12-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-12-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
| zemuvier | thanks | 14:40 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 15:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | hi there! | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi mlavalle | 15:01 |
| janzian | Hello all | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #Topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | We are a little more than a week from Ocata-3 | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | #undo https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | sorry! | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | Also reminding people that the PTG is on February 24th | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: armax mentioned this past Sunday that we didn't have an agenda yet | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | also in the lates emails from the community, I didn't see a Neutron etherpad yet (as of 2 days ago) | 15:06 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: right, i don't know if that means it's the new PTLs job? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: no he armax seemed to own the action item during the Monday meeting. I think we need to follow up with him | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: unless you are running for PTL and you have everything under control :-) | 15:08 |
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| * haleyb takes two steps back from the PTL election :) | 15:08 | |
| mlavalle | haleyb: fair enough.... I'll ask him later today | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements? | 15:09 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: we could start working on a list and link it from the meeting etherbase, then just copy it later | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: let's do that. I'll start a section there | 15:10 |
| haleyb | thanks! | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | first is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | There is a fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/ | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | I meant to review it over the past few days. But got sidetracked finishing the routed networks stuff, after Nova team fixed their bug | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I intend to review it and encourgage others to do the same | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | Any comments? | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:14 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: I added a unit test earlier this week to cover the new function, but I'd like to look into functional testing before it merges. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | that makes sense. any help you need? | 15:15 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: i did have one question, but you can answer in the review instead of talking code here | 15:16 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: No, I'm good for now thanks. Will let you know if that chnages | 15:16 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Ok sure | 15:16 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: Hadn't noticed the review, will address it, thanks | 15:16 |
| haleyb | great, thanks | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | #undo https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | I continued looking at the code earlier today | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | One of the manifestations of this bug is during subnet delete in rally jobs | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | Right now I am following carefully the code to really understand what's going on | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | I'll keep you posted | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | any comments or questions? | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | No owner right now. I'll take it after I make good progress with the previous one. Fill free to take it out of my hands, though :-) | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | any comments, advice, volunteers? | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:23 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: i just started looking at the latest comment that it's being seen | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I invalidated this one in December after not seeing it for a couple of weeks | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I checked last night while preparing for this meeting | 15:24 |
| haleyb | there's nothing in the neutron logs pointing at an error, so i started trolling through the nova logs making sure the remove VM actually booted | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | There were a good number of hits | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks! any other comments? | 15:26 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i only see one failure in past 7 days with the logstash in the bug, but i'll keep looking | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks! | 15:27 |
| haleyb | oop, kibana was just slow, getting a few more | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | yeah, last night I found a lot | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: ~50? | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | maybe, it's only showing 30 in the filter | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | cool, thanks! | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | I don't see baoli today, so we will skip prefix delegation | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | I only want to mention that one of his patchsets merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408306/ | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | thanks haleyb for the reviews | 15:32 |
| haleyb | baoli did all the hard work | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:33 | |
| john-davidge | Great news! that one moved quickly | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | On this front, thanks to haleyb, baoli for their reviews / comments | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | The Nova team merged the fix to the aggregates bug that was blocking us | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | As soon as I noticed it, I reworked my two patchsets. They are now complete and fully functional | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | They are here: | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414726 | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | That's the placement api client | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | and here: | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358658 | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | I need reviews so I encourage the team to take a look | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | any questions? | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: I forgot to mention that the doc for service subnets merged. Thanks for working on that | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | any other topic from the team? | 15:40 |
| haleyb | i have nothing | 15:40 |
| john-davidge | on the subjetc of ptg | 15:40 |
| john-davidge | I had seen this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 15:40 |
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| john-davidge | not sure if its the right one, its not on the wiki | 15:40 |
| john-davidge | but we could start adding topics to it | 15:41 |
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| haleyb | seems to be a blank page, assuming it's the same path as otehrs i guess that would be ok | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | yeah, we can start adding topic | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | topics^^^ | 15:43 |
| haleyb | i will copy/paste the header from the nova page to start | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Thanks | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | ok team, Thanks for attending | 15:46 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks! | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 15:46:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-12-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-12-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-12-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| sigmavirus | API WG meeting? | 15:59 |
| elmiko | should be | 15:59 |
| * mordred waves at the nice people | 15:59 | |
| elmiko | in like <1 min | 15:59 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 16:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hehe beat me to it | 16:00 |
| cdent | we will start no meeting before its time | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| cdent | say hi if you're here for the meeting | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | scottda gets a gold star | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | hi | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi if you're here for the meeting | 16:00 |
| stevelle | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | yay! | 16:00 |
| mordred | hi | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| sigmavirus | hey y'all | 16:00 |
| cdent | elmiko gets a platinum star | 16:01 |
| elmiko | nice, big crowd today =) | 16:01 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic old biz | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old biz (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-05-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| cdent | the only action item was to review the glance change in tempest, for which there is a slot later in the agenda | 16:02 |
| cdent | so | 16:02 |
| cdent | #topic new biz: service types authority | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new biz: service types authority (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:02 | |
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| cdent | #link https://github.com/openstack/service-types-authority | 16:02 |
| cdent | does anyone not know or need a refresher on what that is? | 16:02 |
| * mordred welcomes our new service types authority overlords | 16:03 | |
| elmiko | haha | 16:03 |
| cdent | so I reckon that's in our wheelhouse. should it be in our bailiwick? | 16:03 |
| * edleafe needs a refreshed on that vocabulary | 16:04 | |
| cdent | it has its own core reviewers and everything, but it stalled out in the face of other things last year | 16:04 |
| edleafe | refresher, even | 16:04 |
| elmiko | i thought there was already a fair amount of crossover in the cores for api-wg and service-type | 16:04 |
| cdent | wheelhouse: a style we like, bailiwick: things we care about, service types authority: a repo that authorizes the service types to go in the service catalog to avoid collision and lead to cohesion | 16:05 |
| elmiko | hmm, given that definition. i'm +1 wheelhouse, -1 bailiwick | 16:05 |
| cdent | we don't really need to own it in any official capacity but I think it would be useful for us to a) track it and be good about reviewing, b) make refrence to it in guidelines | 16:06 |
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| elmiko | that's entirely reasonable | 16:06 |
| cdent | (especially the latter) | 16:06 |
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| cdent | because if the service catalog is no good, we've got bad foundations | 16:06 |
| edleafe | What part of that would be needed in API guidelines? | 16:06 |
| edleafe | s/needed in/covered by | 16:07 |
| cdent | I was thinking something along the lines of a) use the service catalog b) use the names from the service types authority in your catalog c) refer to things in the catalog by type not name | 16:07 |
| mordred | don't append a version string to your service type | 16:08 |
| cdent | I suspect mordred can provide some additional thoughts on that? | 16:08 |
| cdent | jinx-ish | 16:08 |
| mordred | cdent: yah - I agree with those things | 16:08 |
| cdent | anybody disagree? | 16:08 |
| cdent | rosmaita: you here? how do you feel about not use a version string in service type? | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | here, thinking | 16:09 |
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| rosmaita | you mean a version string in the actual type name, for example | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | "image-v2" | 16:10 |
| mordred | I'm picking on volumev2 | 16:10 |
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| rosmaita | instead of "image" | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i don't like it | 16:11 |
| scottda | yeah, and now we have volumev3 | 16:11 |
| scottda | which is my doing, full disclosure | 16:11 |
| scottda | I hate that, though. | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | i like the model where you get the type object, and it has some endpoints in it that have version inof | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | *info | 16:11 |
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| scottda | rosmaita: +1 | 16:11 |
| * mordred promises not to punch scottda | 16:11 | |
| scottda | ha...I was under duress... | 16:12 |
| cdent | :) | 16:12 |
| mordred | rosmaita: yah - what I want from the catalog is the version discovery endpoint from the service | 16:12 |
| mordred | personally | 16:12 |
| mordred | which is what I get from glance- thank you | 16:12 |
| scottda | I'd love to get away from that with Cinder..we've just had a heated discussion at yesterday's meeting. | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | :) | 16:12 |
| elmiko | mixing version with service type seems a little off to me | 16:12 |
| elmiko | at least from the catalog perspective | 16:12 |
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| scottda | I'd frankly love to expose a single endpoint and free us to bump major version for backwards-incompat changes. Like we should be doing with semver.. | 16:13 |
| mordred | yup. if we wanted to put version in the catalog, we'd need to essentially replace all of the version discovery endpoints with structured catalog metadata that has versions sort of like the version discovery endpoints return - which would be a complete rework of how everything works | 16:13 |
| mordred | scottda: yes. execpt I want you to stop making backwards-incompat changes | 16:13 |
| mordred | because they're MASSIVELY painful for users | 16:14 |
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| mordred | but if you must, I'd still prefer them to be listed in the version discovery system | 16:14 |
| scottda | mordred: Well, we'll never deprecate old stuff.. | 16:14 |
| mordred | scottda: yes | 16:14 |
| mordred | that's fine | 16:14 |
| mordred | end-users have to deal with the pain if we don't | 16:14 |
| scottda | it's kinda what microversions is supposed to allow, but people are confused, at least some cinder devs. | 16:14 |
| mordred | well -- this is a whole other argument which is potentially off topic | 16:15 |
| scottda | I'd really, really like to have some discussions around this at the PTG | 16:15 |
| cdent | cool, I think getting this stuff in the log and into people's brains is useful for future guideline creation and other discussions. Is there a particular action we can describe for what's next, if any? | 16:15 |
| mordred | scottda: +10000000000 | 16:15 |
| cdent | scottda: which particular "this" do you mean? | 16:15 |
| scottda | API versioning, especially around major version changes (backwards-incompat).... | 16:15 |
| cdent | edleafe are you going to ptg? I'm not, elmiko is not, etoews is not, as I recall. | 16:15 |
| scottda | and how that relates to the service catelog | 16:16 |
| edleafe | Yes, I'll be at the ptg | 16:16 |
| scottda | Cinder's proliferation of endpoints is problematic, I agree. | 16:16 |
| mordred | scottda: you can count on at least me to show up to such a discussion | 16:16 |
| scottda | ok, at least us then. | 16:16 |
| mordred | scottda: I'll be happy to energetically share opinions on the end user experience :) | 16:16 |
| cdent | #action edleafe, scottda, mordred to drive some dicussion about api versioning at ptg | 16:16 |
| mordred | \o/ | 16:17 |
| * dtroyer will provide moral support | 16:17 | |
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| scottda | yeah, not sure how cross-project discussions at ptg work. Is there some etherpad to sign up for a room or something? | 16:17 |
| cdent | any action to make about service-types-catalog? | 16:17 |
| cdent | I'll take that as a "we'll think about it until we figure something out" | 16:18 |
| cdent | next topic | 16:18 |
| cdent | #topic new biz: status of the glance change? | 16:18 |
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| cdent | rosmaita: floor? | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, well ... | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | i put an item on the QA team agenda to ask for an "official" decision about whether they would accept the tempest patch | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109965.html | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | unfortunately, i had teh meeting time wrong (they alternate 9 & 17 UTC) and missed it | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | got one response on the ML, to which i responded thjis morning: | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110018.html | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | i tried to clarify that yes, we are aware that the change we are making has an incompatibility, but we want to do it anyway | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | and that we have community support for the change | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | but i'm not sure what the next move is here | 16:21 |
| cdent | yeah, I stumbled at that point too | 16:22 |
| mordred | hrm. it's a breaking change, but it's also a bug fix | 16:22 |
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| rosmaita | yes, and we've tried to minimize impact by the way the default image visibility will be set | 16:23 |
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| mordred | oh - wait - I was thinking of the wrong thing. this thing you're doing I think is completely fine | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | i guess i need to get a clear statement from the QA team that they refuse to allow this change, period | 16:23 |
| cdent | there's a similar desire to fix a thing in keystone that is somewhat backward incompatible and I left a comment that I think is appropriate here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1654084/comments/8 | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1654084 in openstack-api-wg "Listing resources with invalid filters should result in a 400" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Ed Leafe (ed-leafe) | 16:23 |
| jokke_ | We had timely heated discussion about this within the glance community and what the user impact will be and how we minimalize the impact to the smallest possible inconvenience | 16:24 |
| cdent | we don't want to lose sight of the goal: make things better for users | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | mordred: not surprised you forgot, this has been dragging on for a long time ... you gave your OK back in June, i think! | 16:24 |
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| edleafe | The only stopper is the Tempest test, no? | 16:24 |
| cdent | yes | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | yep | 16:24 |
| edleafe | And it seemed (IMO) that the logic in the test was flawed | 16:25 |
| cdent | and it appear that only one tempest core opposed, another is okay | 16:25 |
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| edleafe | i.e., based on an incorrect assumption | 16:25 |
| mordred | yah.I think it's a much better user experience, and the way in which it's breaking things is _way_ easier to deal with than the mass of other api breaking changes that are rolling out | 16:25 |
| stevelle | we have two cores who are opposed, to be precise | 16:25 |
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| rosmaita | just noticed that jordan gave it a +2 | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414261/ | 16:26 |
| cdent | ah, thanks stevelle, I was counting comments and votes that I've superficially seen, not all commentary | 16:26 |
| mordred | so - fwiw, the primary role of the TC is actually to mediate intractible disagreements between projects | 16:26 |
| cdent | #link the glance change to tempest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414261/ | 16:26 |
| mordred | I can think of almost no times the TC has been asked to do so | 16:26 |
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| cdent | heh | 16:27 |
| mordred | but if it can't be worked out, it's completely fair and in scope to raise it at the TC level for guidance | 16:27 |
| edleafe | mordred: agreed | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | jordan's comment on the patch is "I am ok with this. I've read the several discussions about this, it's not worth blocking and fighting with the Glance team, imo. I am not sure image sharing is widely used anyway." | 16:27 |
| hemanthm | ++ mordred | 16:27 |
| cdent | It's interesting that this is intractable (from an observational/intellectual standpoint). | 16:27 |
| cdent | It seems like with jordain's vote that it is close, and maybe it's on its way to being resolved? Is there anything in the meantime that the api-wg can/should do to help (we've already put our stamp of approval on it)? | 16:29 |
| cdent | s/ain/an/ | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | no, i can maybe follow up with the QA PTL and ask him to get some more QA/tempest cores to look at it? | 16:29 |
| cdent | that seems like a good plan | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | and then if we can't get it merged, take it to the TC | 16:30 |
| * cdent nods | 16:30 | |
| cdent | any further commentary before moving on? | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks everyone | 16:30 |
| cdent | #topic new biz: open mic | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | quick etiquette question | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new biz: open mic (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:31 | |
| cdent | go for it | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | is it ok if i send a personal message to QA PTL, or should i do it on the ML? | 16:31 |
| * cdent defers to old man mordred | 16:31 | |
| edleafe | I generally prefer the ML for things like that. | 16:32 |
| elmiko | default to open ;) | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | sounds good, thanks | 16:32 |
| edleafe | I don't want to be appearing to get around things by appealing to personal relationships | 16:32 |
| cdent | politically I think everything should be on the ML, socially it has often proven otherwise. In this case I don't think it makes much difference. | 16:32 |
| elmiko | edleafe++ | 16:33 |
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| cdent | okay; anyone have a new non-agenda open mic topic they'd like to raise? | 16:33 |
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| rosmaita | i agree open is better, i just don't want it to appear like a "power cc:" | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | rosmaita: yeah, that's fiar | 16:34 |
| elmiko | fair even | 16:34 |
| edleafe | BUt to be fair, most people don't like me, so I can't use personal appeal as an advantage :) | 16:34 |
| scottda | If noone else has a topic, what's the next step on discussion of versioned endpoints at the PTG? An ML post? | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | edleafe: LOL | 16:34 |
| cdent | scottda: yeah, that seems like a good idea | 16:34 |
| jokke_ | edleafe: it's good that I'm not the only one :D | 16:35 |
| edleafe | jokke_: heh | 16:35 |
| scottda | I'm not sure I have as much info on this as others, but I'll do it if noone else wants to. | 16:35 |
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| cdent | scottda: including amongst your other questions: is there an etherpad for this sort of thing yet? | 16:35 |
| cdent | if you start the ball rolling it will accumulate info | 16:35 |
| scottda | cdent: I thought there was, but not sure. diablo_rojo told me that there were fishbowl rooms and she thought service teams would have rooms on mon-tues.. | 16:36 |
| cdent | there's this message on a related topic from long ago: http://markmail.org/message/o4k7wd7vqxon2ypk | 16:36 |
| scottda | so for cross-project she *thought* cinder would have a large-ish room available. | 16:36 |
| cdent | "In a perfect world, every endpoint would return the same type of resource - most likely the versions resource as described in the API WG Microversions spec." | 16:36 |
| scottda | cdent: OK, I'll send out an ML post that we want to discuss how to get to that perfect world... | 16:37 |
| scottda | without breaking existing users. | 16:37 |
| cdent | #action scottda to send out email to get things started for consistent versioned endpoints | 16:38 |
| cdent | thanks | 16:38 |
| scottda | np | 16:38 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:38 | |
| cdent | #link lots of guidelines https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:38 |
| cdent | I'm not aware of anything that's ready to freeze? edleafe has added a ton of good stuff that still needs a bit more review and revision | 16:38 |
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| cdent | sigmavirus has the pagination thing in progress, on which there's a bit of discussion about "tone" | 16:39 |
| edleafe | cdent: yeah, I've gotten some good feedback, but would like a little more if possible | 16:39 |
| * sigmavirus hasn't had a minute to change the tone | 16:39 | |
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| edleafe | sigmavirus: I can take a whack at it if you like | 16:39 |
| cdent | and the capabilities guideline is still moving forward but not really achieving consensus | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus | edleafe: gopher it :) | 16:40 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus: kewl | 16:40 |
| * cdent misses gopher | 16:41 | |
| cdent | only gopher 1 though, gopher 2 was nightmare | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus | let's make gopher3 | 16:41 |
| cdent | it'll be SO MUCH BETTER | 16:42 |
| sigmavirus | layer it on top of quic or something for giggles | 16:42 |
| cdent | exactly | 16:42 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:42 |
| cdent | so I wonder if we should talk a bit about the capabilities guideline | 16:42 |
| cdent | #link capabilities guideline: https://review.openstack.org/386555 | 16:42 |
| cdent | Does it even fit in the api-wg? | 16:43 |
| sigmavirus | Are we even capable of having this discussion? ;) ;) | 16:43 |
| cdent | ikr | 16:43 |
| cdent | I'm forever optimistic about being able to have whatever conversation we want | 16:44 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:44 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, yeah, if it is determined that APIs should support capability discovery | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | i think it fits for us to discuss the details surrounding the api impl, but i'm not sure about the api-wg commenting on the content of the capabilities proposal | 16:44 |
| cdent | there's something about capabilities discovery that makes me feel really squeamish and I cannot put my finger on why | 16:45 |
| edleafe | I would first like to define exactly what information this API should return | 16:45 |
| scottda | It should certainly be uniform across services, so this would be the place to make that better. | 16:45 |
| scottda | otherwise, we'll get a hodge-podge | 16:45 |
| elmiko | scottda: +1 | 16:45 |
| cdent | yes, that's very true | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i'm just not sure we need to weigh in, in an official api-wg capacity, about whether capabilities is a good idea or not. | 16:46 |
| cdent | mordred: are you still around? from the world of shade and cloud-config etc can you comment on the need for capabilities discovery? | 16:46 |
| cdent | elmiko: part of the reason I think we _might_ want to weigh in is because of what I said in one of my comments on the review: if you need it at the instance level than the resource representations aren't great | 16:47 |
| cdent | and we should aspire to good resource representations rather than bandaids to fix them | 16:47 |
| elmiko | cdent: and i think that is fair, we are still discussing good api design. i just meant from a perspective of "capabilities are bad/good" kinda thing. | 16:48 |
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| cdent | asking a cloud if it is capable of function X is much different from asking an instance if it is capable of function X | 16:48 |
| edleafe | cdent: why wouldn't a user want to know about what they can/can't do with an instance? | 16:48 |
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| cdent | they should know by looking at the instance itself, not another URL | 16:49 |
| edleafe | cdent: but johnthetubaguy's comment was that this was always for an authenticated request | 16:49 |
| edleafe | cdent: i.e., it had a user's scope | 16:49 |
| cdent | sure but /capabilities/volume is about this cloud | 16:49 |
| cdent | and /volume/id/capabilities is about this instance | 16:50 |
| cdent | the latter seems off to me | 16:50 |
| edleafe | the latter seems more like it would be better served by a --dry-run sort of construct | 16:51 |
| cdent | in fact, ideally I would act a service about its capabilities, I'd ask a cloud about the capabilities of all its services | 16:52 |
| cdent | sigh | 16:52 |
| cdent | s/would act/wouldn't ask/ | 16:52 |
| edleafe | "Does this cloud support volume deletion?" is different than "Can I delete this volume?" | 16:52 |
| cdent | that latter question should be answered by a link rel in the representation of the volume at /volume/id | 16:53 |
| edleafe | but they are both being called 'capabilities' | 16:53 |
| cdent | right, and that seems incorrect (to me) | 16:53 |
| edleafe | me too | 16:55 |
| cdent | anyone else want to weigh in? | 16:55 |
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| elmiko | i'm kind atorn | 16:55 |
| scottda | yeah, me too | 16:56 |
| scottda | and I've ping'ed dulek who wrote the patch, but no reply. | 16:56 |
| elmiko | i can see the wisdom in querying the cloud for capabilities, but i wonder if the users are looking for something more detailed than that | 16:56 |
| scottda | Well, the cloud may have capabilities that an individual user doesn't have access to.... | 16:56 |
| scottda | some 0f that, for volumes, can be in volume-type | 16:57 |
| scottda | i.e. backup | 16:57 |
| elmiko | at the same time, in the case of the delete volume example, why would you query to find out if you could delete a volume? wouldn't you just try it on a cloud that has deletions, and then respond accordingly to the response from the service? | 16:57 |
| edleafe | elmiko: because some things are async | 16:57 |
| elmiko | edleafe: good point | 16:58 |
| cdent | Since we only small number of minutes left, anyone who is interested please add more commentary on the review: https://review.openstack.org/386555 | 16:58 |
| cdent | last topic | 16:58 |
| cdent | #topic: bug review | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": bug review (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:58 | |
| cdent | we've had at least one new bug but it's been addressed almost as quickly as it was created (thanks edleafe!): https://review.openstack.org/417441 | 16:58 |
| elmiko | this is part of the reason i don't want to be in the middle of the design process about capabilities, i'm happy to give advice about the api design, but i don't have a strong enough grasp on the end goal to give good advice on the proposed solution | 16:59 |
| cdent | but that leaves a lot of older bugs languishing | 16:59 |
| cdent | if you have time interest please have a look | 16:59 |
| cdent | #link bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:59 |
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| edleafe | Most of the bugs are TODOs, so it doesn't take a lot to fill in the guidelines for the missing TODO | 17:00 |
| cdent | anyone itching to newletter? if not i'll ping people to review my edits later | 17:00 |
| * elmiko checks | 17:00 | |
| cdent | thanks everyone for coming, nice to see so many people | 17:00 |
| elmiko | nope, no itch | 17:00 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:00 |
| cdent | conversation continues in #openstack-sdks | 17:00 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 17:00:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent ! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: cdent: sorry missed your note there, I meant all the requests take into account policy even /capabilities where it talks about the endpoint as a whole, at least thats what I thought we agreed at the summit session | 18:07 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I don't think I was at that session. It just seems to me that people are using "capabilities" to mean very different things, and we need to define that first | 18:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: agreed, thats what that spec is all about | 18:14 |
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