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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 23 17:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)"17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
jlvillalo/17:00
xeko/17:00
vdroko/17:00
zhenguoo/17:00
joannao/17:00
rlooo/17:00
jroll#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting17:00
dtantsuro/17:00
jrollagenda is there ^^17:00
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stendulkero/17:00
soliosgo/17:00
jrollalllllright let's do this17:00
jroll#topic announcements and reminders17:01
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jrollcrunch time!17:01
mjtureko/17:01
jroll#info client freeze this week17:01
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bfournieo/17:01
jroll#info soft feature freeze next week17:01
krtayloro/17:01
hshiinao/17:01
mgoddardo/17:01
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aslezilo/17:01
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jroll#info goal for final release is in two weeks17:01
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jroll#info don't forget to add in things you want to discuss at the pike ptg:17:02
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-pike-ptg17:02
xavierro/17:02
jroll#info ptl nomination week, if you want to be PTL for pike please nominate yourself17:02
yuriyz|2o/17:02
jroll#info we got portgroups and attach/detach stuff landed in nova17:02
jrollnice work everyone on that one, it's been a ride \o/17:03
jrollI think that's it, anything I missed?17:03
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rlooyay, congrats on getting those features, nova patches landed!17:03
rpiosoo/17:03
rloo(and I think we worked well with nova folks)17:03
jroll++17:03
rloojroll: wrt client freeze this week -- which day?17:04
jrollrloo: thursday is the absolute deadline, I'd prefer to release wednesday17:04
jrollthat goes for most openstack-y release deadlines17:04
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rlooinspector client & ironic client, right? ok, will aim for wed.17:04
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jrollyep17:05
jlvillalnice! :)17:05
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jrollI need to clarify IPA with doug, too, but I think we did that as a service last time17:05
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rloojroll: one more question about client. i saw some mention of thinking about deprecating ironic cli in future. if so, we should make sure we have full osc support.17:05
jrollrloo: yeah, that would be part of the plan17:06
jrollanything else?17:06
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rloojroll: ok, dtantsur brought up last week that we're missing at least two things in osc. i'll try to go through this week.17:06
jrollrloo: okay, I don't think we need to rush that though17:07
* jroll moves on17:07
jroll#topic subteam status reports17:07
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jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:08
jrollstarts at line 6617:08
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* jroll updates a couple things quickly17:08
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rloovdrok, sambetts: wrt portgroups. are patches waiting for reviews, or still need to be created? I don't see any doc patches.17:09
vdrokrloo: yeah, no docs yet. I think they will not be that big. will get to that this week17:09
rloodtantsur, wrt CI refactoring, there is more to do wrt refactoring, right? not just those two patches that got merged?17:10
rloovdrok: thx17:10
dtantsurrloo, much more, I think17:10
dtantsurwe still haven't consolidated our jobs17:10
rloodtantsur: ok17:10
jrollyeah, we never got into the CI refactors this cycle :(17:10
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dtantsurLucas is pushing forward UEFI testing, which is extremely important IMO17:10
rloodtantsur: and there's still more to do wrt UEFI testing?17:11
dtantsurrloo, we don't have a UEFI job yet17:11
rloodtantsur: ok. am going to note that down.17:11
* jroll made some notes on nova + resource classes in the cross-project section, fyi17:11
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jrollsoft power/reboot is looking good, nice!17:12
rloojroll: wrt rolling upgrades, did we decide to punt it to Pike? i'll update whiteboard with that.17:12
jrollrloo: don't think we made an official decision, but that's how I'm leaning17:12
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zhenguohi, wrt node tags, would you plan to land it before the final release?17:13
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jrollzhenguo: that would be cool, if we have time, maybe punting rolling upgrades makes some room for that17:14
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rloozhenguo: node tags has an API / client component?17:14
jrollif not, I would like to get it in very early in pike17:14
zhenguorloo: yes, API17:14
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zhenguojroll: ok, and I will be on vacation soon17:15
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zhenguoso maybe early in pike is ok17:15
rloozhenguo: when will you be away?17:15
zhenguorloo: it's Spring Festival!17:16
jrollzhenguo: lucky you! :)17:16
zhenguojroll: thanks17:16
rloozhenguo: enjoy :)17:16
jrollzhenguo: I'll see if we can get a review this week, then, might be enough17:16
zhenguorloo: thanks, I will be out of office in 2 days17:16
zhenguojroll: thanks17:17
jrollzhenguo: np, thanks for the update :)17:17
rloojroll: when's the nova deadline for features? do you remember? this week?17:17
jrollrloo: yep17:17
rloojroll: ok, so we're shooting for soft power off & soft reboot?17:18
jrollso I think our priorities look roughly the same as last week, though I removed rolling upgrades until we decide if we're punting or not17:18
jrollrloo: yeah, one has a +A already'17:18
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rloojroll: ok, i was looking at status, nmi won't make it in until pike.17:18
rloojroll: wrt resource classes. besides doc + testing, shouldn't need any code changes in ironic/ocata?17:19
jrollrloo: agree re: nmi17:19
jrollrloo: correct17:19
jrollit's just metadata in ironic17:19
rloojroll: thx for confirming (both) :)17:20
jroll:)17:20
jrollis there anythign we should change/add in the priorities? I'm curious how much more BFV we want to do this cycle17:20
dtantsur"nmi won't make it in until pike" why?17:20
jrolland if we should get node tags or rescue mode up there in case folks run out of things to review :)17:20
rloojroll: i was just going to mention bfv. i think it is good to review but not a priority.17:20
rloodtantsur: need client release and nova patch. i think.17:20
jrollif client merged, I can release that today17:21
rloodtantsur: nova freeze is this week17:21
mat128o/17:21
dtantsuryeah, nova patch is probably impossible, but our part can be finished17:21
jrollidk how the nova thing is looking, but I feel like matt wanted to punt it to pike17:21
jrolloh, we landed the client patch, yeah17:21
jrollso we're done then right? :)17:21
rloodtantsur: i have no opinion either way on nmi. you guys decide.17:21
vdrokironic side looks pretty close yeah17:22
jrollah, osc17:22
rlooaccording to status, looks like one osc patch17:22
TheJuliajroll: I have some time tonight to work on BFM, but my week is largely travel + meetings this week, so I won't get much done on it17:22
dtantsuryep, osc patch and api-ref.17:22
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TheJuliaerr, BFV17:22
jrollTheJulia: okay, I'll deprioritize17:23
jrollshould we be focusing on node tags or rescue mode or both, then?17:23
dtantsurnode tags - maybe, yeah. it's been a while17:23
dtantsurdunno how rescue looks now17:23
dtantsuragain, we need a nova part, right?17:23
jrollyep17:23
rloojroll: node tags has 2 patches outstanding and i suspect they are simple (but i haven't looked at them). i don't know about rescue -- anyone know?17:23
jrollrescue is mostly done other than IPA side17:24
jroll"done" meaning code is up and has had many iterations17:24
rlooi think if there haven't been much reviews on rescue, i would punt to pike17:24
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JayFIt's our goal to have it working in devstack this week17:24
JayFrescue17:24
JayFall the ironic side stuff is pretty straightforward and done17:24
jrollkeep in mind that driver comp / rescue / node tags all have API version bumps, so be concious of merge conflicts please :)17:24
JayFit's not been getting reviewed because it constantly needs rebasing17:24
* rloo recalls past releases where we tried to get features in at the last minute, and shudders17:24
rlooi think if we get driver composition done, we're lucky. am worried about pushing for more stuff this late.17:25
dtantsurJayF, is there a nova patch for it?17:25
jrolldtantsur: there is17:25
jrollthis is all on the whiteboard btw17:25
JayFit's not likely to land in nova in pike17:25
jrollin pike?17:25
jrollwhy?17:25
JayFer I mean17:25
JayFuntil pike17:25
mat128before pike?17:25
jrolllol, yeah17:25
JayFbut if we punt it in ironic to pike, I'm concerned it'd miss nova in pike as well17:25
JayFit seems to work best if we have a full ironic release of a feature before trying to get it into nova17:26
rlooJayF: nah, not if it gets into ironic pike early.17:26
jrollthis is true17:26
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rlooJayF: rescue has an API component. client release is this week.17:26
jrollidk, let's say if people have time, take a look and see how it feels17:26
dtantsurtoo many client changes to land before Wed...17:26
rloodtantsur: ++17:26
JayFrloo: that's a really good point, about client changes needing to land. dangit :(17:26
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rlooJayF: we are landing soft reboot, power off in both nova & ironic in ocata.17:27
jrollI'm skeptical we'd finish rescue in a ~week anyway17:27
rlooJayF: it can be done :)17:27
JayFYeah, that's fair. Can we make it something we work to land first thing in pike cycle?17:27
jrollJayF: ++17:27
rlooJayF: along with bfv...17:27
jrolland rolling upgrades17:27
rlooJayF: and rolling upgrades...17:27
* jroll gets scared17:27
dtantsurit's up to a new PTL to make sure the priorities are set early and get worked on ;)17:27
jroll:D17:27
rlooand that ^^. heh.17:27
jroll:P17:28
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* jroll thinks we're all pretty much on the same page and expects no surprises with pike priorities17:28
rlooalthough jroll can attest to how easy it is as ptl to have folks focus on priorities...17:28
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jrollhaaaaaaa.17:28
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TheJuliaheh17:28
jrollalright, anything else for this bit of the meeting?17:28
rlooso yeah, set priorities early. the rest... ??!!17:28
dtantsurwait, aren't we going to make Ironic a proper CMDB finally?17:29
TheJuliarloo: somewhere there is Profit.....17:29
jroll/ban dtantsur17:29
* dtantsur runs away very quickly17:29
TheJuliadtantsur: z cycle maybe?17:29
rloodtantsur: add to ptg etherpad :D17:29
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* jroll still has a git repo named 'alanis' - a collection of all things ironic17:29
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mat128|afklmao17:29
TheJuliaOn a serious note, it might actually be worth discussing at the ptg17:29
jrollalright, let's move on if there's nothing else17:30
jrollTheJulia: quite possible17:30
jroll#topic RFE review17:30
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jrollso, Nisha_Agarwal asks me about 3 times a week to look at this RFE17:30
jroll#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/165686317:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1656863 in Ironic "RFE : Enhance pxe_ilo to do inband inspection also" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Nisha Agarwal (agarwalnisha1980)17:30
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jrollso I'd like to see if we can approve it here, so that I'm done staring at it17:31
vdrok:D17:31
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jrollit seems fine to me, although I'm skeptical if we need that config17:31
jrollwhat do folks think?17:31
JayFI mean, ilo driver has a pattern of making everything configurable17:31
JayFI don't think it's too bad to offer that config17:31
JayFThat rfe seems very straightforward though17:32
TheJuliaIt seems logical to approve given the context17:32
jrollyeah, that's why I wanted to talk about it, I'm just not sure at all if we should have the config17:32
jrolle.g. is it normal to only do OOB, or is it normal to do both, or?17:32
dtantsurthere is a spec for it fwiw17:32
jrollI think I'm fine with it as-is but objections welcome17:32
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jrolldtantsur: this one breaks pxe_ilo out of that spec, since it doesn't depends on a boot driver17:33
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jrollboot driver in inspector*17:33
jrollI told nisha that would be fine17:33
dtantsuraha17:33
dtantsurwell, we already have (I think) oneview doing it17:33
dtantsurshould be fine17:34
jrollok cool, sounds like 4 +1s including myself17:34
* jroll approves17:34
jrollthanks y'all17:34
jroll#topic open discussion17:34
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jrollanyone have a thing?17:34
joannaI have :)17:34
rloowhy restrict to only doing OOB? (but i haven't been paying attention so ignore me)17:34
jrollrloo: one reason would be to avoid waiting for the agent to boot if not needed17:35
JayFrloo: That's not explained in the RFE, but I assumed it was so deployers could maintain existing behavior (OOB-only) as desired17:35
jroll(inband just gives extra inspection details, that one might not need)17:35
jrollalso that17:35
stendulkerstendulker: that saves a agent boot17:35
jrolljoanna: go ahead17:35
joannaremember the discussion before the Holidays about status codes and Retry-After?17:35
joannaI created a spec for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414194/17:35
TheJuliaI think the restriction is more a product detail than anything else17:35
stendulkeryes to maintain backward compatibility as well17:36
jrolljoanna: nice, dtantsur and lucas will be interested ^^17:36
rlooit just seems odd to have an oob_inspection_only config. vs a config that allows you to specify oob and/or inband.17:36
jrollprobably sambetts too17:36
joannaand there are opinions that status codes shouldn't be changed not to introduce such a big incompatibility between API versions17:36
dtantsurI will get to the specs when we finish landing Ocata features, I guess ;)17:36
jrolldtantsur: +100017:36
* jroll thinks we should only prioritize specs and almost-done-features for the first few weeks of pike17:37
joannaand I would be really grateful if we could agree on how this change should look like :)17:37
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TheJuliarloo: Thinking about it, once driver comp is in, it doesn't _really_ make sense to have that config because there could just be an interface that goes "why not both?"17:37
joannaI understand it's not a priority now, I just don't want this topic to die :)17:37
rlooTheJulia: yeah, i was wondering how it fit with driver comp too17:37
jrolljoanna: ++17:37
stendulkerrloo: makes sense. Will work on that suggestion17:38
joannajroll: thanks! :)17:38
* rloo votes for a PTL that promises to go through all the specs. ha ha.17:38
rloostendulker: thx for looking into it17:38
* jroll will never promise that, not enough brainpower in the world17:38
TheJuliarloo: All the specs! \o/17:38
jrollstendulker: should I wait to approve that yet, then?17:38
TheJuliajoanna: Adding it to my queue17:38
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jrollok17:39
joannaTheJulia: awesome, thanks17:39
jrollanything else?17:39
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vdrokjroll: rloo not sure how driver compostion would affect that tho, you still have a single inspect_interface column. To be able to disable in-band, you need a config option, or a separate interface, which would duplicate most of the stuff?17:40
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TheJuliavdrok: or a separate inspection interface that is aware of multiple options and that enumerates through them17:41
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jrollvdrok: yeah, dunno17:41
JayFvdrok: you'd have like, 3 interfaces supported in ilo hardware type: IB only, OOB only, IB+OOB17:41
rloovdrok: and/or general configs, not specific to ilo.17:41
JayFvdrok: as opposed to yet another ilo config option17:41
rloooh, i like JayF's suggestion17:41
JayFjroll: ^ in light of this discussion, I'm not as +1 on that ilo rfe again17:41
jrolllol17:41
TheJuliaJayF: +1 to that suggestion17:42
jrollyeah stendulker said he wanted to investigate more, too17:42
jrollcan y'all comment on the rfe then?17:42
* jroll moves back to unapproved17:42
vdrokJayF: IB is already there, just inspector, it seems to be the matter of doing IB+OOB and OOB separately or together17:43
JayFvdrok: exactly17:43
jrollyep17:43
jrolllet's take this conversation to the RFE17:43
jrolland then everyone gets a free 15 minutes17:43
TheJulia++17:43
vdrokyup, thanks everyone!17:43
rlooah, the sound of crickets...17:43
TheJulia\o/17:43
jrollthanks folks17:43
jroll#endmeeting17:43
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stendulkerjroll: Got disconnected. Have updated RFE to have config variable as "hardware_inspection_type" with possible values as 'oob' and 'inband'.17:46
stendulkerjroll: RFE https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/165686317:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1656863 in Ironic "RFE : Enhance pxe_ilo to do inband inspection also" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Nisha Agarwal (agarwalnisha1980)17:46
jrollstendulker: okay, you missed some conversation, watch for discussion in that rfe17:46
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