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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 13 14:08:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:08 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz,lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:08 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:08 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 14:08 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:08 |
| dims | o/ | 14:08 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:08 |
| gcb | sorry for my network issue | 14:08 |
| rloo | o/ | 14:08 |
| lhx_ | o/ | 14:09 |
| gcb | \o/ good morning/afternoon/evening everyone | 14:09 |
| gcb | we have two new comers lhx_ and shuyingya , can you introduce yourself ? | 14:09 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 14:10 |
| gcb | maybe they can introduce them later :-) | 14:11 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:11 | |
| gcb | Any red flags here ? | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | Hi all, I am shuyingya, now mainly working on sahara project, and will focus on oslo.db. I am sahara project liaison | 14:12 |
| bknudson_ | none for keystone that I know of. | 14:12 |
| dims | nothing from requirements | 14:12 |
| gcb | shuyingya, welcome | 14:12 |
| gcb | bknudson_, dims: thanks | 14:13 |
| rloo | nothing from ironic | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | nothing from my side ^ ^ | 14:13 |
| gcb | rloo, ack :-) | 14:13 |
| gcb | Let's move on | 14:14 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Pike (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:14 | |
| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/444915, I just posted the release patch, please help review | 14:14 |
| gcb | I'm wondering if we need weekly release , maybe biweekly release ? | 14:15 |
| dims | gcb: we had turned voting off temporarily while dealing with the hacking/pbr issues, here's the review to turn it back on | 14:15 |
| dims | gcb : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444922/ | 14:16 |
| dims | gcb : i'd vote for weekly | 14:16 |
| bknudson_ | I prefer to see releases more often since then we don't go so long between commit and release. | 14:16 |
| bknudson_ | Is it too much work so needs automation? | 14:16 |
| gcb | dims, bknudson_ : weekly release is okay for me. just thought if a tiny change need a release | 14:17 |
| gcb | dims: will check your review later | 14:17 |
| bknudson_ | maybe there's something we can put in the commit to indicate if it needs a major/minor/fix release? | 14:17 |
| gcb | current, I check the commit log to if it is a trivial fix or fix bugs | 14:18 |
| bknudson_ | looks like all the releases this time included bug fixes. | 14:19 |
| bknudson_ | actually, new features. | 14:19 |
| gcb | yeah | 14:20 |
| gcb | a trivia fix without function change seems not a good candidate for release | 14:21 |
| bknudson_ | "The python 3.4 support is removed" -- should this be a major release since removing support? | 14:21 |
| bknudson_ | this is in the log for futurist | 14:22 |
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| bknudson_ | http://logs.openstack.org/15/444915/1/check/gate-releases-tox-list-changes-ubuntu-xenial/3b93fad/console.html#_2017-03-13_13_57_35_523111 | 14:22 |
| dims | bknudson_ : that's a statement of testing, not actual code change to remove support. so i am not quite sure if major is needed | 14:23 |
| dims | dhellmann : thoughts? ^ | 14:23 |
| gcb | it's just remove the classifier in setup.cfg | 14:23 |
| bknudson_ | ok. | 14:23 |
| gcb | BTW, it's not a burden for me to release weekly, so let's do it as before | 14:24 |
| bknudson_ | regarding the change in oslo.messaging -- I don't think this is a minor release change, so should be patch release. | 14:24 |
| bknudson_ | oh, I was reading the log incorrectly. There's a bunch of changes in oslo.messaging. | 14:25 |
| bknudson_ | minor release looks correct for oslo.messaging based on the other commits | 14:26 |
| gcb | what do you mean patch release ? | 14:26 |
| bknudson_ | a patch release would just change the last # 5.5.0 to 5.5.1 rather than 5.6.0 | 14:27 |
| gcb | we don't release patch release in master branch, we need leave it to stable branch | 14:28 |
| gcb | in other word, we need 5.5.1 for stable branch, | 14:29 |
| gcb | something like s a minor release change, so should be patch release. | 14:30 |
| gcb | something like https://review.openstack.org/443331 | 14:30 |
| gcb | okay,let's move on | 14:32 |
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| gcb | #topic block review | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "block review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:32 | |
| gcb | Any review call for reviewers ? | 14:33 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/440835 seems a good feature | 14:33 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:34 | |
| lhx_ | hi, oslo guys, i'm new comer for oslo and i'm contributing to Telemetry | 14:35 |
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| dims | welcome lhx_ | 14:36 |
| gcb | lhx_ is my colleague, he focus on oslo.messaging now | 14:36 |
| kgiusti | hi lhx_! | 14:37 |
| lhx_ | i would be the liaison of Telemetry if possible because jd and sileht are busy on the projects | 14:37 |
| dims | nice, we definitely need help there | 14:37 |
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| gcb | I trying to attract more developers to oslo, especially in Asian :-) | 14:38 |
| gcb | I'm | 14:38 |
| gcb | we really need more people to help make oslo better | 14:39 |
| lhx_ | haha, i'm a newer for oslo.messaging also, thanks gcb for introducing me | 14:39 |
| gcb | I noticed some oslo core reviewers have little time on oslo, or move to other non-openstack projects, | 14:40 |
| lhx_ | dims, kgiusti, thank you, oslo gurus, :) | 14:40 |
| shuyingya | lhx_ welcome | 14:41 |
| dims | gcb : oslo is all part-timers :) | 14:41 |
| gcb | lhx_, shuyingya: please feel free to ask in #openstack-oslo if you have any questions, oslo guys are very nice lol | 14:42 |
| gcb | dims: agree | 14:42 |
| shuyingya | \o/ | 14:42 |
| lhx_ | shuyingya, the same welcome! | 14:43 |
| gcb | lhx_, shuyingya : please add your irc name in https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools/blob/master/ping_me.py | 14:44 |
| gcb | then I can ping you when oslo meeting starts | 14:44 |
| gcb | okay, does anyone have other things ? | 14:45 |
| lhx_ | okay | 14:45 |
| shuyingya | ok | 14:45 |
| gcb | then we can call it a meeting today. | 14:45 |
| gcb | 3 | 14:45 |
| gcb | 2 | 14:46 |
| gcb | 1 | 14:46 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:46 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 13 14:46:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-13-14.08.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-13-14.08.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-13-14.08.log.html | 14:46 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 16:01 |
| crushil | \o | 16:01 |
| JayF | TheJulia: DST means this is at +1h local time, right? | 16:01 |
| JayF | yeah, 1700 UTC, it's only 1600 UTC | 16:02 |
| vgadiraj | o/ | 16:02 |
| crushil | Thanks JayF | 16:02 |
| crushil | You're right | 16:02 |
| TheJulia | yup, in an hour :( | 16:02 |
| * TheJulia goes to fix her calendar | 16:02 | |
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| JayF | I used to maintain a UTC-specific ironic meeting | 16:03 |
| JayF | but it tended to break calendar.app when DST changed over, lol | 16:03 |
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| dtantsur | anyone up for an ironic meeting? :) | 16:59 |
| mjturek | \o | 16:59 |
| yolanda | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 13 17:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| hshiina | o/ | 17:00 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 17:00 |
| jason77 | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | \o | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | welcome everyone, thanks for coming! | 17:00 |
| JayF | \o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | let's give folks a few more minutes to join | 17:01 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 17:01 |
| crushil | \o | 17:01 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
| soliosg | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | as usual, our agenda is at | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | a few things to discuss today, good :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | the main announcement is that the pike priorities are approved! | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/pike-priorities.html | 17:02 |
| alezil | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | so, I've updated the whiteboard with all the topics we have there | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | you have a few minutes more to write your status updates ;) | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | (but please do it in advance) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | also | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | please keep generating ideas for ops adopt-a-project: | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | next, a boot-from-volume subteam meeting is scheduled now: | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-BFV | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | please add to your calendars, if you're interested | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | and the last thing from me: | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #info dtantsur is checking health of 3rdparty CI currently. If you get a email, please act accordingly. | 17:05 |
| JayF | dtantsur: who is "ops" re: that etherpad | 17:05 |
| JayF | dtantsur: Is that some kind of OpenStack Operators group? | 17:05 |
| jroll | JayF: osic ops team :P | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | JayF, details are there, but I think there is a group of ops interested in improving certain projects | 17:05 |
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| jroll | melvin's thing | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | ah, yeah, this is more detailed ;) | 17:05 |
| JayF | jroll: okay, that answers my question. Was curious if it was the OSIC thing or something different | 17:05 |
| jroll | :) | 17:05 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: i didn't understand the last thing. 'if you get a email...'.? | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | anyone has anything else to announce? or any questions? | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | rloo, if you don | 17:06 |
| vgadiraj | o/ | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | don't get a email - no need to bother | 17:06 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what email? | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, sigh, which you did not get, because you're not a 3rdparty CI owner | 17:06 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you mean, if you send an email? | 17:06 |
| rloo | dtantsur: OH. | 17:07 |
| joanna | o/ | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx for explaining. | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | I'm writing to certain folks maintaining about 3rdparty CI about problems I've spotted | 17:07 |
| soliosg | I think the third announcement (3rd party CI) kills one item from the Discussion section! | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, not entirely kills, let's get to it in its time | 17:07 |
| soliosg | ack | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | anything else? questions? | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx, i didn't know if you meant if our patch got 3rd party CI failure or somethin' like that | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | rloo, sorry, please bear with my English :) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | (5 months more!) | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: no worries; that's why i asked :D | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you aren't counting down, are you? ;) | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | ofc I'm not ;) | 17:08 |
| * JayF bear metals with dtantsur's english | 17:08 | |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | ok, moving on :) | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:09 | |
| dtantsur | we need MOAR of them! | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | starting with line 94 | 17:09 |
| * jlvillal sometimes wonders if dtantsur knows about "more" ;) | 17:10 | |
| * dtantsur does not, obviously :) | 17:10 | |
| jlvillal | :D | 17:10 |
| rloo | TheJulia: can i update the BFV status stuff? | 17:10 |
| rloo | TheJulia: I don't think L119 is still true? | 17:10 |
| * TheJulia raI just removed 119 | 17:11 | |
| rloo | thx TheJulia! | 17:11 |
| TheJulia | rloo: and the real answer is I would expect anyone to be willing/able to update anything that is pertinent, but that is just me :) | 17:12 |
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| galyna1 | o/ | 17:12 |
| rloo | TheJulia: yes, just didn't know if you were in midst of updating or not :) | 17:12 |
| rloo | is mario around? | 17:12 |
| jroll | he's out | 17:12 |
| TheJulia | I was and then was distracted | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | JayF, re rescue report, do you think we could just link to the gerrit topic instead of listing all patches? | 17:12 |
| rloo | mario did some work on the osc default api version change | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | #info Almost complete with making multi-node multi-tenant grenade working. This has been a long road. Will need to change the experimental job to a non-voting job. | 17:13 |
| JayF | dtantsur: sure, I can update it for that way next week | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | thnx | 17:13 |
| JayF | dtantsur: better way to clean that up is for more reviews and landings ;) | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | true :) | 17:13 |
| JayF | With mario out this week, I'll try to update those patches based onreview feeback | 17:13 |
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| rloo | so not much status wrt network-related stuff | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | yep. I hope it's because I only added the new subteams today. | 17:15 |
| rloo | nice that redfish driver spec has been approved! | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, ++ I will keep on reviewing the rescue stuff, it's close I think | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ++ o/ | 17:15 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: so is sushy under ironic umbrella? | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, not yet, this is something i would like to discuss | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | perhaps open discussion today ? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | yep, let's leave it (I'm +1) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | * leave it for open discussions | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | 2 minutes to review the subteam reports | 17:17 |
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| rloo | lucasagomes: i added a note about sushy & ironic in that subteam thing | 17:17 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, oh ok thanks | 17:17 |
| * rloo good with subteam reports | 17:18 | |
| dtantsur | before we move on: quick poll: do we find our Trello board still useful? answers: yes/no/let's talk later? | 17:18 |
| * dtantsur votes no | 17:18 | |
| rloo | yes if it is kept up to date | 17:18 |
| TheJulia | I'm also a no, too many different ways of tracking work | 17:18 |
| JayF | I never looked at the trello board, personally | 17:19 |
| vsaienk0 | no | 17:19 |
| jroll | I was mostly the only one that updated it, and so assumed I was the only one that looked at it | 17:19 |
| jroll | and the subteam reports are now good enough that I rarely use it | 17:19 |
| joanna | I looked at it | 17:19 |
| rloo | i look at it sometimes, because that info isn't readily available anywhere else. if we put that info in subteam reports, then we don't need. | 17:19 |
| joanna | and it was misleading for me, but only because it seemed outdated | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: which info? | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | ok, this does not seem like an easy win, let's postpone is till open discussion, or even bring to the ML | 17:20 |
| rloo | overall, nova & ironic specs, patches | 17:20 |
| jroll | ah | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | it was just a quick poll, thanks :) | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:20 |
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| * jroll votes no, just for the record | 17:20 | |
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| jroll | priority #1 has been in merge conflict for some time, we should remove that | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | ++ just wanted to propose | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | I'd also remove node tags, takes more time than we expected | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | and get rescue there instead. or BFV. or both. | 17:21 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:21 |
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| jroll | we need to keep pushing on BFV or we won't get it done this cycle | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | +1 for rescue | 17:21 |
| jroll | need to get some chunk of it done each week | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | the standalone stuff that vsaienk0 is working is in good shape as well | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | let's take the first patch of BFV, and a couple of rescue | 17:22 |
| * dtantsur finds links | 17:22 | |
| lucasagomes | (I haven't looked at the fixes you pushed today yet vsaienk0 sorry, didn't have time) | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | jroll: priority 1 = stand-alone testing? | 17:22 |
| jroll | don't ask me, I have no clue what's going on :) | 17:23 |
| jroll | oh that | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | jroll: From your comment on "merge conflict" | 17:23 |
| jroll | jlvillal: no, it was previously some tempest tests for portgroups/vifs | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Ah, okay. Thanks! | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, I've removed the item with conflicts | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | now yes, it's number one for me | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | Thanks. I wasn't fast enough reading the whiteboard... | 17:23 |
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| JayF | I'm not going to be here next Monday, but I'd suggest for next week we make rescue patches a priority | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | JayF, what should we take from rescue? | 17:24 |
| JayF | I would wait until next week as mario is out this week | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | I suggest taking one patch from it already | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | ah, ack | 17:24 |
| * lucasagomes is not Jayf, but he thinks the API part | 17:24 | |
| JayF | I'll get it through at least one round of review today | 17:24 |
| rloo | TheJulia: sorry, remind me. how much of bfv needs to land before doing the nova part? all of it? | 17:24 |
| JayF | s/today/this week/ | 17:24 |
| * dtantsur looks around | 17:24 | |
| JayF | and then if everyone bears down on it next week we can land it | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | Redfish driver then? seems like an easy win | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | rloo: The majority of it, and the volume connection API | 17:24 |
| JayF | dtantsur: how do we feel about related nova patches going in there? | 17:25 |
| jroll | s/driver/hardware type/, right? :) | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it's only a hardware type and 2 interfaces (power and management) | 17:25 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ok, would be good to work backwards from nova deadlines, to have an idea as to when to target the work | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | I didn't create a old-style driver, I think we don't need it. right ? | 17:25 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: +1 from me | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | rloo: agreed | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | JayF, you mean, on the list? well, depends on how actionable from our part they are | 17:25 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: ++ exactly, it's explicitly disallowed to create new oldstyle drivers iirc | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | cool | 17:25 |
| JayF | dtantsur: frantically looking for the link, but gerrit doesn't share my urgency | 17:26 |
| jroll | JayF: dtantsur: fwiw, I plan to start keeping my own list of important nova patches, and asking for help with reviews when needed | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | jroll, that would be super helpful | 17:26 |
| jroll | idk that we need the whole team prioritizing nova patches | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | ++ (though I do keep a list in my gertty) | 17:26 |
| JayF | dtantsur: jroll: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441544 is the one I was referring to, honestly I just want someone ironic other than just me to look at it :) | 17:26 |
| jroll | ya, figured, already on my list :) | 17:27 |
| * jroll says that before it loads... | 17:27 | |
| jroll | yeah | 17:27 |
| jroll | that one :D | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | JayF, will check as well | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | still don't think it should be on the list for everyone tbh | 17:27 |
| rloo | so redfish driver is optional. maybe we should instead review ipa rest api version spec instead? | 17:27 |
| JayF | dtantsur: I'm fine with that, just like I said, goal was more-than-just-jay :) | 17:27 |
| rloo | also fault support spec needs reviews | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | rloo, just wanted to get it out of our radar finally | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i understand, but the ones that need spec reviews will never move along w/o the specs being approved. | 17:28 |
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| * dtantsur is worried about landing too many specs before we land code from previous specs | 17:28 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: and those ones have higher priority than redfish driver | 17:28 |
| yolanda | i need reviews on the custom deployment steps as well | 17:28 |
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| yolanda | i have a pair of -1s to answer, but i'd like to get more feedback | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | everyone's spec needs review ;) I'd like to move specs to "finished", not only "approved" from time to time ;) | 17:29 |
| JayF | fault support spec is probably not close enough to be a priority | 17:29 |
| rloo | yolanda: yes, but that is optional, the others i mentioned are higher priority | 17:29 |
| JayF | but I'd love for more interested people to look at it, as we have a new patchset up | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | but if everyone thinks I'm wrong, I'm ready to drop specs there instead | 17:29 |
| rloo | JayF: what do you mean, the spec needs more work for fault support? | 17:29 |
| JayF | Yeah, I think we're going to have to prototype some of the code to wrap oour heads fully around the driver apis for it | 17:30 |
| JayF | but the rest APIs are 100% laid out | 17:30 |
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| rloo | JayF: so we shouldn't review it for now? | 17:30 |
| JayF | I would love a review from folks, but I don't think it's priority, and anyone reviewing should be aware it's about 80% done | 17:30 |
| rloo | JayF: ok, going to add a comment to that effect. | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | IPA API seems close, so I'd take it instead of low-priority E-Tags https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341086/ | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | wdyt? | 17:31 |
| jroll | I'm not opposed | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | rloo? | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | I haven't reviewed that yet but sounds fine, /me adds to his list | 17:31 |
| rloo | sigh. no, i think we should leave etags spec. | 17:31 |
| rloo | cuz... there was movement in that spec last week, probably? cuz it was a priority. we should get it approved soon. | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: but i think it would be good to add ipa api version spec too | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | ok, 6 items be it. please work hard :) | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | I hope sambetts_ is around to update it | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | we have 6 items on priorities. any more comments? | 17:33 |
| * dtantsur wants to move to the discussion | 17:33 | |
| rloo | if anyone finds out about sambetts_ availability; if he isn't, please scratch that priority | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | or we can update it ourselves | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | meanwhile, who wants to be the bug triager this week? mjturek wanna continue? :) | 17:34 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: I wouldn't mind! I'm getting the swing of it | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | cool! | 17:35 |
| mjturek | fyi - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | #action mjturek to continue helping with bug triage | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage | 17:35 |
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| mjturek | keeping a summary of what I changed | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:35 |
| mjturek | np | 17:35 |
| jroll | thanks for doing that, mjturek :) | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | any comments before we move on? | 17:35 |
| mjturek | np jroll :) | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | #topic Impressions about third party CI gate jobs that usually fail, reasons they fail, and how we can help to fix them | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Impressions about third party CI gate jobs that usually fail, reasons they fail, and how we can help to fix them (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:36 | |
| dtantsur | as I already said, I started reaching out to maintainers about their CI | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | still, it's a bit hard to measure quality of each CI | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | do we have any formal metrics? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | also soliosg, sorry, it was your topic :) | 17:37 |
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| jroll | this site gives some pass/fail metrics http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days | 17:37 |
| soliosg | Yeah, I added this item because it seems we don't pay attention to 3rd party jobs now, passing or failing | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | jroll++ I was using it | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, I do. but I agree, it's hard to pay attention when they are random | 17:38 |
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| dtantsur | I also don't like HTTPS error on half (or all?) of logs sites | 17:38 |
| jroll | ya, we need to get folks improving these systems | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | #action dtantsur this week goes over the list of CI and contacts maintainers if he spots any problems | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Thanks soliosg and dtantsur. I do sometimes wonder if some of the 3rd Party CI is not living by the spirit of what we want. Since I see so many of them fail again and again. | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | which is something I started already | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | And one purpose of the 3rd Party CI is so they can keep their drivers in tree | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | I've even see one CI passing on a patch when our CI was all red | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | I'm going to follow up with the maintainers on it | 17:39 |
| soliosg | dtantsur: Right, such randomness is what makes difficult to pay attention to | 17:39 |
| JayF | dtantsur: I'd personally be interested in a summary of that work, maybe to the mailing list? | 17:40 |
| JayF | dtantsur: i.e. if a given 3rd party CI is super reliable, that's a great input to code reviewing, as is the alternate | 17:40 |
| rloo | when we initiated this, did we note down what we expected from 3rd parties? wrt success/failure rates, etc? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | JayF, which kind of summary? I don't want to call names, though they're obvious | 17:40 |
| vdrok | rloo: yeah, I remember that stated in the spec | 17:40 |
| JayF | dtantsur: Calling names being specifically what I wanted; like "These CIs: blah, blah, blah, are passing reliable, whereas these have the following issues..." | 17:41 |
| JayF | dtantsur: not so much to call them out but to inform me as a reviewier | 17:41 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, we kinda dropped the ball on getting it in docs: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/dev/third-party-ci.html | 17:41 |
| JayF | dtantsur: but up to you | 17:41 |
| jroll | rloo: the spec has some rough numbers though | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | JayF, ok, I'll think about it. I still need more data collected, 7 days is not too much. | 17:41 |
| rloo | jroll: we should pick up the ball then... | 17:41 |
| mmedvede | slightly related: would you prefer a consistently failing CI still reporting? (context: I am one of maintainers of IBM PowerKVM CI, and turned off reporting on ironic for now) | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | good question | 17:42 |
| vdrok | maybe we should have some status page for such cases | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | mmedvede, do we have such information exposed somewhere? | 17:42 |
| jroll | rloo: sure, I don't know that I have time | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, we have a wiki, in theory | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:42 |
| rloo | jroll: heh, let's ask for a volunteer :) | 17:43 |
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| vdrok | dtantsur: oh, cool | 17:43 |
| jroll | FYI these are the third party CI requirements for all of openstack, which includes a wiki page for each system: | 17:43 |
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| jroll | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | mmedvede, yours is not marked as being down on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:43 |
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| mmedvede | dtantsur: so, we use the same user also for nova, so it is fine there | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | I'm using this wiki page, and its subpages to figure out the expected status | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | mmedvede, well, you can at least update the "comments" field with "broken for ironic" or something | 17:44 |
| mmedvede | dtantsur: ack | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | anyone wants to pick back https://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/dev/third-party-ci.html ? | 17:45 |
| JayF | dtantsur: if nobody picks it up now, if someone can summarize it in a bug I bet I can find someone to pick it up | 17:46 |
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| rloo | whoever does, should talk to krtaylor to find out where its at | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | JayF, well, I'd pick it, but I don't know certain details, like required changes | 17:46 |
| jroll | summary: "decide on final third party CI requirements and write them down" | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | ++ for talking to krtaylor first | 17:46 |
| nicodemos | dtantsur: do you plan any requirements change for 3rd party CI? | 17:46 |
| jroll | the second part of that is easy | 17:46 |
| jroll | the first not so much | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | nicodemos, not before we make them reliably working.. | 17:47 |
| mjturek | fyi krtaylor is out today | 17:47 |
| jroll | (e.g. decide if requiring to report within 8 hours is reasonable or not) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | let's start with collecting some statistics and reporting back | 17:47 |
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| jroll | there's some details here but they are old, need to be reviewed again http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/6.2/third-party-ci.html | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | I can figure out gerrit API and write something like a custom dashboard (if there is no existing) | 17:47 |
| jlvillal | I have noticed at least one CI voting a day or two later. | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | sounds like an action? | 17:47 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: ++ | 17:48 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur for volunteering ++ | 17:48 |
| jroll | dtantsur: maybe talk to cinder PTL, they might have something already | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | #action dtantsur to collect / write a tool / find a tool to collect advanced statistics about 3rdparty CI | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | jroll++ | 17:48 |
| rloo | what about that ci page -- JayF wanted someone to open a bug against it? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | let's open a placeholder bug for sure | 17:49 |
| JayF | rloo: I only wanted a bug because then it's easier to delegate | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | something like "Populate this page with real data: <link>" | 17:49 |
| JayF | rloo: if someone is going to JFDI I don't care abouta bug :) | 17:49 |
| rloo | ok, no bug needed. if someone wants one, please open it. | 17:50 |
| rloo | let's move on now :) | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | 10 minute warning | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | yeah, let's move on | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | #topic Status check on having a local copy of tempest manager.py | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status check on having a local copy of tempest manager.py (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:50 | |
| dtantsur | tl;dr: do we still need it? soliosg, pas-ha? | 17:50 |
| soliosg | I believe we still needed | 17:50 |
| rloo | soliosg: why | 17:51 |
| soliosg | From Andrea's reply to pas-ha, it sounded like QA wants to stick to the original plan | 17:51 |
| vdrok | yup, I guess the outcome of the ML discussion was to have it | 17:51 |
| vdrok | so that not to increase the amount of jobs | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | That is how I read the email thread. Need to make a local copy in Ironic. | 17:51 |
| rloo | soliosg: please update that patch then, with link to mailing list and the summary, and then lets get on with it :) | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ++ | 17:52 |
| jroll | yeah, it's only temporary, let's just get it done | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | note that a follow-up to this patch should be trimming this file down to what's needed for our CI to pass.. | 17:52 |
| soliosg | Ack | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | just in case temporary is not too temporary.. | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | thanks soliosg! | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | #agreed we'll continue with carrying manager.py (or it's slimmer version) in-tree for now | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | moving on? | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | #topic Boston summit/forum brainstorming | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston summit/forum brainstorming (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:53 | |
| dtantsur | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113115.html | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | rloo, that's you | 17:53 |
| rloo | to be clear, my intent was NOT to actually do brainstorming today. i just wanted to bring it up | 17:53 |
| rloo | what is ironic's involvment (if any) going to be at the summit forum. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | yeah. this may be driven by people who actually go to Boston | 17:54 |
| TheJulia | Have we created an etherpad yet? | 17:54 |
| jroll | there's action items on there, fwiw, we should do those | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | not me | 17:54 |
| jroll | I haven't | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | I can start an etherpad, but it's probably not fair for me to populate it, as I don't plan to go | 17:54 |
| jroll | rloo: I know at least 2 ironic people that plan to go | 17:54 |
| rloo | as a group/ironic, do we actually want/care about this? | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-ironic-brainstorming ? | 17:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: as PTL, I think you should help populate it, surely you have questions for deployers/ops/users :) | 17:55 |
| rloo | thx TheJulia! | 17:55 |
| jroll | rloo: about getting fedback from deployers/ops/users? I hope we do | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | I can help, sure, but I want people actually present to be aware of it ;) | 17:55 |
| rloo | jroll: i hope so too but didn't want to assume anything ;) | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | I care about it, and I can put some stuff in sometime over the next few days | 17:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yeah, fair | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | thanks TheJulia | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-ironic-brainstorming | 17:55 |
| jroll | TheJulia: thanks! | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | anything else here before we move on? | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:56 | |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, sushy time? ;) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | also 3 minutes left | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | well 4 minutes heh | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | so, sushy under the Ironic umbrella. What do you guys think about it ? | 17:57 |
| JayF | +2 | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | +2 | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | +a | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | the library is pretty small, 792 LOC with unittests included | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:57 |
| jroll | +2 | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | ok | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | if we position sushy as ironic-specific redfish library, it should be under ironic governance for sure | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | +2 we want redfish :) | 17:57 |
| jroll | dtantsur: which we should :) | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | if we plan on general-purpose library.. I hope we don't :) | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | ok I will put a patch for the governance doing that then :D | 17:57 |
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| rloo | what are the options? if it isn't under ironic umbrella, then what? | 17:58 |
| wanyen | what's ironic planfor redfish-python? | 17:58 |
| JayF | dtantsur: if someone wants to make it a general purpose lib, I suggest we let them and try to rope them into revieiwng more ironic things ;) | 17:58 |
| JayF | rloo: I'd assume not-big-tent, not governed at all | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, it's ironic-specific and I prefer to keep it that way | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | JayF++ | 17:58 |
| nicodemos | Ironicers, I'd like to ask some review in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408298 | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, I think the idea was, when pyhton-redfish is mature enough we will re-evaluate it | 17:58 |
| jroll | wanyen: we don't plan to use python-redfish, there are architectural problems with it that make it a bad fit for ironic right now | 17:59 |
| jroll | and what lucasagomes said :) | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, that's what I got from the spec, because at the moment (you can check the comments in the spec itself) we can't use it | 17:59 |
| wanyen | I like to understand Ironic's plan for redfish-python lib. | 17:59 |
| nicodemos | it would remove some custom code from oneview drivers and use ironic deploy implementation instead :) | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, it's in the spec | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, let's talk about it when it's ready | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | nicodemos, will try to get to it | 17:59 |
| jroll | and we're at time | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:59 |
| jroll | ish | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| jroll | thanks dtantsur ! | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:00 |
| rloo | thks all! | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 13 18:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-13-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-13-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-13-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| jason77 | hello everyone. Last week, I was using LLDP for switch info collection. may i ask ironic api and bare metal must be in the same flat network? | 18:00 |
| jason77 | After which release is the FUJITSU blue print for multi-tenant finished? | 18:00 |
| TheJulia | jason77: You should likely bring that up in #openstack-ironic at this point in time | 18:00 |
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| jason77 | thx | 18:00 |
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