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gothicmindfoodfyi folks - the swg meetings are on hold while we figure out better ways of communicating across timezones & schedules. Come chat with us in #openstack-swg :)14:00
fungiaww, and i was even caffeinated this time... ;)14:02
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 15:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
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mlavalleHi15:00
haleybmlavalle: hi15:00
john-davidgeo/15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavallePike-1 is less that a month away15:02
mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html15:02
mlavalleAny other announcements from the team?15:03
mlavalleok, moving on15:04
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:04
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mlavalleFirst up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/162742415:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:04
mlavalleI spent some time this morning checking Kibana for more hits for this bug15:04
mlavalleUnfortunatelly, the refactoring of delete_subnet and delete_network in the plugin (ml2 and DB) didn't eliminate the bug15:06
haleyb:(15:06
mlavalleThe shape of what I found in the logs changed a bit15:06
mlavalleBut we still have a delete_subnet tripping with a DHCP port update operation.15:07
mlavalleI'll continue analyzing after the end of this meeting15:08
mlavalleany other comments?15:09
mlavalleNext up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161048315:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach)15:10
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mlavallekevinbenton reviewed the proposed solution for this15:11
mlavalleHe didn't see much value in it. He goes as far as removing the rollback mechanism15:12
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mlavalleany other comments?15:12
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mlavalleok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/162748015:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian)15:13
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janzianI've been looking through a few different occurrences of this bug on Kibana15:14
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janzianFor the most part, the window appears to be around 0.6 seconds from port creation to deletion to bug15:14
mlavallefrom what I saw during our meeting, it's related also the DHCP port creation or update, right?15:15
mlavallejanzian: ^^^^15:15
janzianI believe so, yes15:16
janzianI'm still trying to figure out an optimal solution. The obvious answer is locking the relevant parts of the database during the process, but I feel like that's much too big a performance hit15:16
mlavallemhhh, before going there/////15:16
mlavallehave you seen this failure being concurrent with an operation on the port's subnet, specifically deletion?15:17
janzianYes. Here's one of the examples I've been looking at: http://paste.openstack.org/show/602933/15:18
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janzianThe subnet is deleted very soon after the DHCP port was requested to be created, causing the bug15:19
mlavalleok, so it is very similar to what I am seeing with the Flusherror bug15:20
mlavallelet's look at this together15:20
janzianSounds good to me15:21
mlavalleany other comments?15:21
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mlavalleok, moving on15:22
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150900415:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed]15:23
mlavalleIt seems this one is related to failures in the DVR job now15:23
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mlavallewhich seems to have a failure reate of ~25%15:23
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* haleyb didn't know of any DVR issues15:24
mlavallemaybe I misunderstood from the CI meeting15:24
mlavalleI will go back to the logs15:24
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haleybi've also been offline a few days :)15:25
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mlavallehaleyb: take a look here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-14-16.00.log.html#l-3815:27
mlavalleLet's follow up after the meeting15:28
haleybsure15:28
mlavalleany other bugs from the team?15:29
mlavalleok, moving on15:29
mlavalle#topic Prefix Delegation15:30
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mlavalleA copuple of days ago we merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413137/15:30
mlavallecouple^^^15:30
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mlavallewhich I belive was the last PD related patchset up for review15:31
mlavalleany other comments?15:31
mlavalleok, moving on15:32
haleybyes, that was the last one15:32
haleybsorry, distracted15:32
mlavallethanks15:33
mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:33
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mlavalleI had a brief irc chat with kevinbenton regarding the floating ip RFE last Friday15:33
mlavalleHe mentioned the drivers couldn't review the RFE last week15:34
mlavalleBut that they will give it a try this week15:34
mlavalleI thought john-davidge might be interested on this :-)15:34
john-davidgemlavalle: That's good news, thanks :)15:34
mlavalleany other comments?15:35
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:36
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mlavalleAny other topics that should be discussed here today?15:36
* john-davidge will be on PTO next week15:37
mlavallejohn-davidge: enjoy!15:37
john-davidgemlavalle: Thank you :) Much needed ski holiday15:37
mlavalleok, guys, thanks for attending15:38
mlavallehave a nice rest of your days :-)15:38
mlavalle#endmeeting15:38
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edleafe#startmeeting api wg16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 16:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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cdento/16:00
elmikoyo/16:00
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edleafe#chair cdent elmiko edleafe16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko16:00
edleafe#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda16:01
* cdent feels like death warmed over today, so spectating16:01
edleafe#topic previous meeting action items16:01
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elmikobummer, feel better soon cdent16:01
edleafeThe only action item was for me, and I didn't get to it in time16:02
edleafeDidn't really matter, as the TC meeting was pretty full16:02
edleafeBut the feeling from their discussion of other WGs is that these are supposed to be ephemeral16:03
edleafeIOW, when the work's done, time to move on16:03
edleafeSo while our work isn't done, it's certainly not at the level it was16:03
edleafeSo perhaps natural attrition is just to be expected16:03
* edleafe sighs16:04
edleafeComments?16:04
elmikoi guess16:04
cdentI think there's some truth to that, but I also think there's a lot left to do. The bigger truth is that there's simply less people with the freedom to do it.16:04
elmikoi mean, we just have to deal with bare bones membership for the time being16:04
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elmikocdent++16:05
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elmikoi'm still really curious to hear how the tc feels about declining membership of the api-wg16:05
edleafeWe should always look out for people showing some interest and help them get more involved16:05
elmikoseems like we know they value the work16:05
elmikoedleafe++16:05
edleafeelmiko: but I guess I wonder what they could possibly do about it16:06
cdentwhich, by the way, after talking to dtantsur about the stability guidelines he expressed some interesting in being more actively involved16:06
edleafeTC Resolution: API WG GOOD16:06
elmikodo we have enough bug/guideline backlog that we could approach outreachy or someone about offering an internship spot?16:06
edleafeelmiko: not sure if writing project-wide guidelines is the best place for a newbie to start16:07
edleafeunless they are new to OpenStack, but familiar with APIs16:07
elmikoedleafe: yeah, i was thinking more about the bugs and smaller stuff16:07
elmikojust spit-balling16:07
edleafeMoving on...16:08
edleafe#topic open mic and new biz16:08
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edleafeShould we revive the pagination spec? It was recently abandoned.16:08
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390973/16:08
edleafeGuess the original author lost interest or changed focus16:08
edleafeI'd be happy to take that over16:08
elmikoseemed like it was very close16:09
edleafeyeah16:09
elmikojust a couple outstanding questions to answer16:09
edleafeSo unless there are any objections, I'll re-start that effort16:09
cdentyes please16:09
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elmiko+116:09
edleafe#action edleafe to take over the pagination spec16:09
edleafeAnything else for Opens?16:09
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cdentonly to mention: stability guidelines getting pressure to close up16:10
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cdentin my latest comment there I tried to identify the current sticking points16:10
cdent#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/16:11
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edleafeyeah, let's keep up the reviews on that16:11
cdentstill not managed to draw out people who will talk about it in voice but not writing16:11
cdentI guess that's just the way it goes.16:11
edleafeyes, unfortunately16:12
edleafeAlong those lines...16:12
edleafe#topic guidelines16:12
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:12
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edleafeWhat's ready to freeze? Or what's not, what's missing?16:12
edleafeWhat's ready to merge?16:12
edleafeTwo new guidelines, both dealing with microversions16:13
edleafeMicroversions: add next_min_version field in version body, from jroll16:13
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/44613816:13
cdentnothing ready to merge or freeze16:13
edleafeand WIP: microversion architecture archival doc, from sdague16:14
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/44489216:14
jrollohai16:14
sdagueedleafe: fyi... that's so incredibly uber rough right now :)16:14
edleafesdague: gotcha16:14
sdagueso... consider it not much more than "I'm finally getting around to doing it"16:14
sdaguehopefully it will be in a reviewable state in a couple of weeks16:15
edleafestill, always good to keep everyone in the loop16:15
edleafesounds good16:15
edleafeAny other guidelines to discuss here?16:15
elmikoseems like jroll's addition is almost ready, just needs a round of reviews before freeze16:15
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edleafe#topic bug review16:16
edleafe#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:16
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edleafeDoesn't look like anything new this week16:17
edleafeMoving on...16:18
edleafe#topic weekly newsletter16:18
edleafe#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter16:18
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edleafeI doubt that cdent is up for that :)16:18
edleafeI can start, and then ping you guys for sanity checks16:18
elmikoyeah16:18
cdentno, thanks, I think I'm going to go to bed. I feel worse than I did in the morning, which is a bad sign.16:18
elmikothanks edleafe, greatly appreciated =)16:19
edleafe#agreed cdent to go back to bed16:19
elmikoerf, rest easy cdent16:19
elmikoagreed16:19
edleafeSo with that, I think we're done16:19
edleafe#endmeeting16:19
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elmikothanks edleafe !16:19
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cdentthanks16:20
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: rkukura annak: hi18:02
* igordcard looks at tbachman and annak and then18:02
rkukurahi18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:02
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam:  hi!18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 18:02:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
igordcardhi SumitNaiksatam tbachman annak rkukura18:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy'18:02
SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_16th.2C_9th.2C_2nd_201718:02
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: hi18:03
igordcardhi SumitNaiksatam I have time today :)18:03
SumitNaiksatam#topic QoS patch18:03
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42643618:03
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: :-) thanks18:03
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: unfortunately we have not yet merged this patch18:03
SumitNaiksatami noticed that ash responded on the review, but i did not get a chance to look closely myself18:03
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: do you think what he suggested is feasible or is the reason for the failures?18:04
igordcardpoint 1) is fine, that had already been corrected but then I restored an earlier patchset18:04
igordcardpoint 2) is what I'm investigating now, I haven't yet fully understood18:04
igordcardthis is what I'm struggling a bit with18:05
igordcard"Chain gets deleted as part of update ptg operation between pre and post commit call, which deletes service targets(few pts in this ptg) created by plumber."18:05
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: right18:05
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igordcard#link http://logs.openstack.org/36/426436/4/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-nfp-ubuntu-xenial-nv/c1b6dd3/logs/q-svc.txt.gz?level=ERROR#_2017-02-02_21_12_07_83418:06
SumitNaiksatami am not sure how that is related to your patch, but what he says is correct18:06
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay, but why is that related to your changes?18:06
SumitNaiksatamoh this one: self._disassociate_qosp_from_pt18:07
SumitNaiksatamthe PT doesnt exist18:07
SumitNaiksatamperhaps ignore in this case?18:07
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: because it is a Service Target (I don't really know what they are) ?18:07
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: that PT18:07
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: the service targets are special PTs created by the plumber for the network services18:08
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: because for other PTs I expect all of them to stay there by the end of the operation18:08
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: so then you can actually skip a PT if its a service_target18:08
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: i believe the issue is that in this case the plumber is deleting the service_target?18:09
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SumitNaiksatambefore you make the self._disassociate_qosp_from_pt ?18:09
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igordcardSumitNaiksatam: I believe that is ash's point but I haven't look further18:10
igordcard#link http://logs.openstack.org/36/426436/4/check/gate-group-based-policy-dsvm-nfp-ubuntu-xenial-nv/c1b6dd3/logs/q-svc.txt.gz?#_2017-02-02_21_12_07_83418:10
igordcardwith non-ERROR lines18:10
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay, i will confirm if you can always skip disassociating from the service_target18:11
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SumitNaiksatamin general i am wondering why you are even getting a reference to that if the PT is already deleted18:11
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: are service targets nfp-only?18:11
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: not NFP only18:11
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: but service chain only18:11
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: the PT is expected to be there, as I got a list of PTs associated to the PTG beforehand18:11
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: hmmm18:12
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: and the mapping to qos policies is from the PT18:12
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay let me look at this further18:12
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay18:12
SumitNaiksatami will investigate further18:12
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: NSP is associated to PTG, but the mapping is actually done between the PTG's PTs and the qos policies18:12
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: right, got it18:13
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay, lets cirle back on this offline, i will dig into it18:13
SumitNaiksatami was really hoping to have gotten this merged by now, because we are getting close to merging the newton patches18:14
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: but the mapping PT-QoS isn't persisted... it is created on the PT's neutron port18:14
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: i know you are leading a few other initiatives as well, so many thanks for spending the time on this!18:14
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay18:14
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: I'll try to dedicate some time still today and test a few things now that I know about the service targets18:15
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay that will be great18:15
igordcardI was on vacation for most of this week and tomorrow is bank holiday here18:15
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: oh okay, no worries, hope you had a good vacation :-)18:16
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igordcardSumitNaiksatam: not a leisure vacation :( but wasn't bad18:16
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: :-)18:16
SumitNaiksatamokay moving on18:16
SumitNaiksatam#topic Newton Sync18:16
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SumitNaiksatamso, there are several patches here18:17
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:newton-sync18:17
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks for the last round of reviews18:17
SumitNaiksatamas i mentioned offline, there is one test which fails occassionally, but i think we can ignore that for now18:17
rkukurano problem - your commit message was really helpful!18:17
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay, i didnt imagine that anyone would actually ready it :-P18:18
SumitNaiksatam*read18:18
rkukuraI should have pointed out a couple nits in it as evidence ;)18:19
SumitNaiksatam:-)18:19
SumitNaiksatamtypos in the commit message :-)18:20
rkukuraSo I only had a couple nits and questions on the main sync patch - nothing major18:20
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah, i havent read through those but i will after this meeting and respond18:20
rkukuraok18:21
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i didnt delete some of the revisit comments because i did not spend time investigating those18:21
rkukurathose were related to notifications, so I don’t think they apply anymore18:21
SumitNaiksatamokay18:22
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rkukuraI’m not sure any updates will be needed, so we need to get another reviewer looking at it ASAP18:22
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:22
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SumitNaiksatami just read all your comments18:22
SumitNaiksatamcould do any update, but nothing seems critically wrong18:23
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SumitNaiksatamother than that i think the cli, ui, heat patches should be good as is18:23
rkukuraI will [re]-review those - any reason we need to more the main patch before those?18:24
SumitNaiksatamoh wait, seems annak’s CLI patch went into merge conflict since we merged kent’s patch, darn!18:24
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: well, as long as we are going to merge the main patch soon enough, it shoud be okay18:24
SumitNaiksatamif we merge those before the main patch, then i can update the main patch to remove the pointer to the gerrit reviews and restore the original main branch references18:25
rkukuraright18:25
SumitNaiksatamso yeah, i am fine either way, less work if we merge those first18:25
SumitNaiksatamannak: if you can take a quick look at the merge conflict on the CLI patch it will be good, else i can take a look at it a little later18:26
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Chaining and NFP patches18:27
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SumitNaiksatamsongole is not here18:27
SumitNaiksatamand there are a ton of patches here18:27
SumitNaiksatamunfortunately i havent found the time to review18:27
SumitNaiksatamwill do so shortly18:27
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:27
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: igordcard annak: anything else for today?18:27
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rkukuranothing from me18:28
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SumitNaiksatamokay, thanks all for attending, back to the newton-sync :-)18:28
SumitNaiksatambye18:28
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:28
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rkukurabye18:29
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