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| gcb_ | #startmeeting oslo | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 14:01:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:01 |
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| gcb_ | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zz | 14:02 |
| gcb_ | zeek | 14:02 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 14:02 |
| rloo | o/ | 14:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:02 |
| gcb_ | \o/ | 14:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:02 |
| gcb_ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:03 |
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| shuyingya | o/ | 14:04 |
| bknudson_ | none for keystone that I know of. | 14:04 |
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| gcb_ | bknudson_: ack | 14:04 |
| gcb_ | thanks | 14:04 |
| rloo | none for ironic | 14:05 |
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| gcb_ | rloo: thanks | 14:06 |
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| gcb_ | I just checked our periodic tasks ,didn't find failure , so let's move on | 14:06 |
| gcb_ | #topic Releases for Pike | 14:07 |
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| gcb_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447437/ | 14:07 |
| gcb_ | there is failure, I will figure out . Please raise if you would like to delay the release of some libs | 14:08 |
| gcb_ | #topic Daily work | 14:08 |
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| gcb_ | Any stuck reviews ? | 14:08 |
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| gcb_ | Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/ when you're free :-) | 14:10 |
| gcb_ | okay, the last part | 14:11 |
| gcb_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:11 | |
| gcb_ | please note https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/. the community decided not to translated log | 14:12 |
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| gcb_ | you can check the details in that link | 14:12 |
| gcb_ | it seems a short meeting today | 14:14 |
| gcb_ | thanks everyone | 14:14 |
| gcb_ | #endmeeting | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 14:15:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-20-14.01.html | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-20-14.01.txt | 14:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-20-14.01.log.html | 14:15 |
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| d0ugal | #startmeeting mistral | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 15:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:00 |
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| d0ugal | Hey all, who is around for the Mistral meeting? | 15:00 |
| d0ugal | Renat is ill this week and asked me to run it. | 15:01 |
| mgershen | o/ | 15:01 |
| toure | hi d0ugal | 15:01 |
| apetrich | o/ | 15:01 |
| * d0ugal looks for the action items from last time | 15:02 | |
| rbrady | o/ | 15:02 |
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| d0ugal | #topic Review action items | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:03 | |
| d0ugal | Okay, so there are a couple... | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: send an invitation to team members to a weekly meeting | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | ^ that was completed. I got it anyway and you are all here \o/ | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | - d0ugal: file a bug about finding tests changing coverage randomly | 15:04 |
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| d0ugal | Also completed, let me find the bug link... | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672443 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672443 in Mistral "The Mistral coverage report isn't consistent" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | Nothing much else to say about that. | 15:04 |
| d0ugal | (we can come back to it later if people want, but I've not looked at it since) | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | - ACTION: d0ugal: check availability of rooms for team meeting at 15.00 UTC and send an announcement | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | and that was the final action item, which was also done. | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | so that's good, 3/3 done. | 15:05 |
| mgershen | nice :) | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | #topic Current status (what was done last week, roadblocks, plans) | 15:06 |
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| d0ugal | Please share anything you have for this week. | 15:06 |
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| d0ugal | I wrote a spec about moving the OpenStack actions to mistral-extra (and allowing other actions, like ansible, to be added too). Feedback would be appreciated: https://review.openstack.org/446996 | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | #link https://review.openstack.org/446996 | 15:08 |
| rbrady | custom actions api patch landed this week, working on porting keystone_utrils to mistral-extra this week. | 15:08 |
| rbrady | s/this/last/ | 15:08 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: woo! | 15:08 |
| toure | status -- working on poc for the workflow error analysis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443217/ | 15:08 |
| toure | also picked up a new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1586987 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586987 in Mistral "Keystone projects_create does not allow id parameter" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Toure Dunnon (toure) | 15:09 |
| mgershen | status: I did code reviews in all the time I had allocated for mistral this week, and I think I won't have time to do actual work this week as well. | 15:09 |
| toure | rbrady +1 | 15:09 |
| d0ugal | toure: oh, cool - that spec has updated quite a bit since I last looked. I'll review it again. | 15:09 |
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| toure | d0ugal yeah worked on it Friday | 15:10 |
| * ddeja waves to all :) | 15:10 | |
| toure | Renat and I discussed some of the changes he liked | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | toure: so that sounds like the id parameter isn't used when it is passed in? | 15:10 |
| * toure waves back to ddeja :) | 15:11 | |
| toure | right | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: thanks, the reviews are much appreciated | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: hey ddeja, thanks for stopping by. Renat isn't around this week, we are currently doing status if you have anything to share. | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | toure: how would we fix it? it almost sounds like a keystone bug? | 15:12 |
| mgershen | d0ugal: happy to hear. ping me if you want something reviewed. | 15:12 |
| toure | d0ugal I think it is, that is what I am working on tracing the input | 15:12 |
| d0ugal | toure: okay, cool - I assume we allow users to pass anything if the python-*client accepts **kwargs | 15:12 |
| d0ugal | since we can't tell what they want exactly. | 15:13 |
| toure | right, the problem I think is keystone is dropping the kwarg | 15:13 |
| toure | which is what I am working on proving | 15:13 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: unfortunatelly nothing from my side last week | 15:14 |
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| d0ugal | toure: sounds good, thanks. | 15:14 |
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| toure | sure thing.. | 15:14 |
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| d0ugal | I know that Renat wanted to do some bug triage this week | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | but I think given he can't make it, it is probably best to postpone it until next week. | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | However, I'd ask that everyone look at a couple of bugs and try and triage them :) | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | #action Team to do some initial bug triage | 15:17 |
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| d0ugal | #topic Pike 1 planning | 15:17 |
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| d0ugal | This is on the agenda, but I don't have anything specific for it | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | Does anyone have anything they want to raise related to Pike 1? Any issues etc. that we are not targetting for it already? | 15:18 |
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| d0ugal | It might actually be that this is still on the agenda from last time :) | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | Okay, I guess we can move onto open discussion | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | #topic Open discussion | 15:19 |
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| mgershen | I would like us to fix this issue/bp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672379 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672379 in Mistral "default task on error not running when task fail to evaluate input" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: whoops, sorry, I went a bit quick - but we can talk about that now anyway | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: right, so on-error is called when an action errors but not when there is a problem with the task itself - like an expression problem error. | 15:20 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: do you think you will be able to work on it? | 15:21 |
| mgershen | yes, Renat said the same thing. it is a feature in his eyes. | 15:21 |
| d0ugal | Interesting :) /me reads the comments | 15:21 |
| mgershen | in pike I should have time, not sure if it will be ready in pike-1 | 15:22 |
| d0ugal | right, I understand Renats comment but I do think we want to make sure users have a way to catch these errors | 15:22 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: Does the tag-defaults on-error get called? | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | task-defaults* | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | I guess no as it should be the same logic | 15:23 |
| mgershen | no | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: shall I reopen the bug so we don't forget it? | 15:24 |
| d0ugal | I guess maybe the fix isn't to make it call on-error, maybe we need a new way to handle these situations. | 15:24 |
| mgershen | whatever is best for you, I don't mind. | 15:24 |
| d0ugal | on-task-error but a better name :) | 15:25 |
| mgershen | we can also put an action item to talk more on this when Renat is back. | 15:25 |
| d0ugal | Good idea. | 15:25 |
| d0ugal | #action mgershen/team to talk with Renat about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672379 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672379 in Mistral "default task on error not running when task fail to evaluate input" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:25 |
| d0ugal | Anyone got any other ideas, bugs etc. they would like to discuss? | 15:27 |
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| d0ugal | If anyone is familiar with Keystone sessions I'd appreciate their input on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447380/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447046/ | 15:28 |
| d0ugal | Otherwise I think I'll wait a minute or so and close the meeting if there isn't anything else | 15:29 |
| toure | d0ugal I have started looking at that a few mins ago | 15:29 |
| d0ugal | toure: cool | 15:29 |
| toure | nothing jumped out yet, still looking | 15:29 |
| d0ugal | I think we should update how Mistral creates clients to use Keystone sessions | 15:30 |
| toure | agreed... | 15:30 |
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| mgershen | +1 | 15:30 |
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| mgershen | possible in python-mistralclient too | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | Aparently Heat is already doing this with most clients, Mistral is one of the few that don't allow it yet | 15:31 |
| mgershen | *possibly | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: yeah, the two patches I linked ^ make it possible in mistralclient | 15:31 |
| mgershen | oops :) | 15:32 |
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| d0ugal | #action d0ugal to make a bug about using KeyStone sessions when we create OpenStack clients | 15:32 |
| d0ugal | I'll make a bug after the meeting for this, I don't think there is one. | 15:32 |
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| d0ugal | Right, anyone got anything else or should we all take 27 minutes to go and triage bugs? ;) | 15:33 |
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| d0ugal | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 15:34:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-20-15.00.html | 15:34 |
| d0ugal | Thanks all :) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-20-15.00.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-20-15.00.log.html | 15:34 |
| mgershen | bye | 15:34 |
| rbrady | :) | 15:34 |
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| toure | cya | 15:35 |
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| ijw | #startmeeting networking-vpp | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 16:02:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_vpp' | 16:02 |
| ijw | Anyone here? | 16:02 |
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| ijw | #info Intention is to release a new versdion of networking-vpp to go with 17.04 release of VPP in mid-April | 16:05 |
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| ijw | #info Check the launchpad for outstanding bugs and RFEs - ijw will update milestone information. | 16:06 |
| ijw | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 16:06:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-03-20-16.02.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-03-20-16.02.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpp/2017/networking_vpp.2017-03-20-16.02.log.html | 16:06 |
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| dtantsur | who is up for some very ironic meeting? :) | 16:59 |
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| jroll | \o | 16:59 |
| rama_y | o/ | 16:59 |
| jlvillal | Oh me! Oh me!! | 16:59 |
| ricardoas | o/ | 16:59 |
| jlvillal | Me me me me me me !!!!! | 16:59 |
| mariojv | \o | 16:59 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 17:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| crushil | \o | 17:00 |
| kaifeng | \o | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:00 |
| soliosg | o/ | 17:00 |
| baha | o/ | 17:00 |
| kaifeng | O/ | 17:00 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | hi everyone! thanks for coming :) | 17:00 |
| kaifeng | O/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual can be found here: | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
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| dtantsur | #info ironic-{core, release} groups were added to sushy-{core, release} groups respectively | 17:01 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | more raw fish for all of us :) | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | thanks lucasagomes! | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| joanna | o/ | 17:01 |
| mjturek | \o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | I don't think I have any announcements. anyone? | 17:01 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i just added stuff to the agenda | 17:01 |
| rloo | two announcements | 17:02 |
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| rloo | rloo is retiring from subteam-status-report duty; rama_y (Ramamani Yeleswarapu) has kindly agreed to take over. Thanks rama_y! | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info rloo is retiring from subteam-status-report duty; rama_y (Ramamani Yeleswarapu) has kindly agreed to take over. Thanks rama_y! | 17:02 |
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| mariojv | thanks rama_y | 17:02 |
| * jroll has nothing | 17:02 | |
| dtantsur | #info new ironic liaisons: JayF for i18n; Rushil Chugh for oslo; soliosg (Solio Sarabia) for logging working group | 17:02 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:02 |
| rama_y | Thanks, rloo! | 17:02 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | woot | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | thanks a lot! please don't forget to update the etherpad before meeting, if you have something to bring up | 17:02 |
| mariojv | thanks for volunteering for liaison, JayF crushil soliosg | 17:02 |
| rloo | thanks rama_y, JayF, crushil, and soliosg! | 17:03 |
| alezil | o/ | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:03 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | o/ | 17:03 |
| crushil | np mariojv rloo | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:03 |
| kaifeng | o/ | 17:03 |
| Sukhdev | o/ | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:04 | |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | starting with line 97 | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | \o/ @ standalone tests | 17:04 |
| mariojv | for the OSC API versioning, rescue mode, and specific fault support priorities, i updated to the best of my ability even though i was away last week | 17:04 |
| mariojv | please feel free to correct anything that's inaccurate | 17:05 |
| mariojv | jay's away at least part of this week iirc | 17:05 |
| rloo | vsaienk0: for standalone CI tests, is this the next patch that needs reviewing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437549 | 17:05 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:05 |
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| vgadiraj | o/ | 17:06 |
| rloo | jlvillal: wrt multinode grenade testing. Yay! is there a description somewhere that describes what is being tested? | 17:07 |
| vsaienk0 | rloo: yes | 17:07 |
| rloo | vsaienk0: thx, i updated the etherpad :) | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I don't think so. Basically it is iron | 17:09 |
| rloo | jlvillal: ok, will talk to you later about that | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I don't think so. As far as docs | 17:09 |
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| rloo | vsaienk0, sambetts_. what's the status wrt the network related stuff? | 17:09 |
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| rloo | vsaienk0, sambetts_: post-deploy VIF attach/detach, pyhsical network awareness, routed networks support? | 17:10 |
| mariojv | i'd be curious about that too rloo - specifically links to things to review on the whiteboard would be great | 17:10 |
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| vsaienk0 | rloo: post-deploy VIF attach - need review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424723/ | 17:11 |
| rloo | wrt the IPA versioning, i think the question was whether to use the ipa version, or add REST API versioning... | 17:11 |
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| vsaienk0 | physnet awareness: I'm working on initial patch with devstack plugin/basic documentation to networking-baremetal | 17:12 |
| rloo | I don't know if we need to meet/decide on that or not (IPA versioning). maybe we can wait for sambetts_ to ask... | 17:12 |
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| vsaienk0 | rloo: pass portgroup information to Neutron spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415003/ code: https://review.openstack.org/446763 | 17:12 |
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| dtantsur | eeek, I forgot a small announcement | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | #info dtantsur is on PTO the next week (Mar 27 - Mar 31) | 17:13 |
| rloo | eeekkk, too late, dtantsur. you can't go on PTO :) | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | :D | 17:13 |
| Sukhdev | :-) | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | can somebody please chair the meeting? | 17:13 |
| rloo | isn't there a spec for physical network? | 17:14 |
| vdrok | rloo: I've seen one | 17:14 |
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| rloo | found it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435781/ | 17:14 |
| vdrok | rloo: https://review.openstack.org/435781 | 17:14 |
| mariojv | ty | 17:14 |
| vdrok | :'( | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | we're a bit past time for reviewing the status updates. how much time do folks still need? | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm still reading/reviewing. too much stuff... | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | #info Please provides status updates on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard *before*, not *during* the meeting | 17:16 |
| jroll | when we started doing subteams, I wasn't imagining this many subteams | 17:16 |
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| jroll | this is totally too much for 10 minutes of meeting time | 17:16 |
| rloo | agreed | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt nova. is it time to update our documentation about node.resource_class? :) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, I guess we should remove ironic-inspector-tempest-plugin, right? | 17:17 |
| jroll | (then again, I'm surprised we have so many priorities, too) | 17:17 |
| rloo | i hope you all saw that there is no need for i18n wrappers for log messages. | 17:17 |
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| jroll | rloo: getting there yeah, I figure I'll get the upgrade path(s) approved and then write the docs all at once | 17:17 |
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| rloo | jroll: great. the traits stuff will be interesting! | 17:18 |
| jroll | indeed :) | 17:18 |
| soliosg | dtantsur: oh, so will we unify both tempest plugins (ironic and ironic-inspector) into the one in new repo? | 17:18 |
| rloo | dtantsur: can we discuss i18n now, or later? | 17:18 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt going forward, i want to make sure. we don't want i18n wrappers any more, so no _LE, _LW... | 17:19 |
| rloo | except for user-facing stuff | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | yeah, reading now, but let's move it to the discussion | 17:19 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | soliosg, yeah, that's the outcome from the PTG | 17:19 |
| soliosg | dtantsur: ok, will add that to the whiteboard | 17:20 |
| wanyen | jroll & rloo: how does traits handle backward compatibility? | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | ready to move on? | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, let's please not discuss it here and now | 17:20 |
| * mariojv is ready to move on | 17:20 | |
| rloo | wanyen: i think that's where the brainstorming comes into play. dunno. | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | ++ to move on | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | we cleared 2 items | 17:21 |
| wanyen | dtantsur: ok | 17:21 |
| mariojv | for this, if any of rescue, fault support, or OSC API versioning are going to be prioritized, i'd recommend doing only 1 of them at a time for now | 17:21 |
| mariojv | rescue's probably the most far along | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | Nice job getting two items from last week done :) | 17:21 |
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| joanna | I'll update the cinder API patch today, I think it should remain on the list | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, so, what would you suggest to take? | 17:22 |
| mariojv | ++ gj | 17:22 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: rescue | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | joanna, ++ for keeping BFV | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | as to redfish, I'd like to replace it with the spec update that lucasagomes posted | 17:22 |
| joanna | dtantsur: awesome | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah sounds good to create consensus on that | 17:22 |
| mariojv | i consolidated all the code links into a link to the topic | 17:22 |
| mariojv | for any needing rebase/updates, i will update this week | 17:22 |
| rloo | now that we have some standalone tests, when do we remove those equivalent non-standalone tests? | 17:22 |
| vdrok | I guess we want to watch them for a week or two, then remove | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | something like that.. also a topic for later discussion, I think | 17:23 |
| vdrok | and make the standalone voting | 17:23 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok, so we want to get as many standalone tests working, so we can remove the others soon | 17:24 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:24 |
| rloo | dtantsur: only asking to see if those patches or patch is a priority :) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | ah | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I think we should wait a bit | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, what's the next rescue patch or a couple of patches we can pile on | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | ? | 17:25 |
| * mariojv looks | 17:25 | |
| lucasagomes | api isn't it? | 17:25 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350831/32 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353156/14 will be manageable | 17:25 |
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| mariojv | lucasagomes: yep | 17:26 |
| mariojv | lucasagomes: the rescuewait timeout is a small change | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | if sambetts_ is not around, I'd kick IPA versioning probably... | 17:26 |
| * rloo is fine if there aren't many priorities of the week... | 17:26 | |
| mariojv | which is the 2nd one i suggested | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | mariojv, ++ | 17:26 |
| mariojv | i'll move updating those up on my todo list | 17:26 |
| jroll | dtantsur: +1 | 17:26 |
| mariojv | feel free to remove /32 and /14 from those links | 17:27 |
| mariojv | so it goes to the latest patch sets | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, are we really ready to review API already? | 17:27 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: imho yes, there are some things to update now that we had reviews last week | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | ok | 17:28 |
| mariojv | had a +2 for a nice second there :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | last candidate: client changes for driver comp? | 17:28 |
| jroll | if they look ready +1 | 17:28 |
| jroll | (or close to ready) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419274/ is close | 17:29 |
| * lucasagomes == jroll | 17:29 | |
| dtantsur | #define lucasagomes jroll | 17:29 |
| jroll | need to get that out of the way | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:29 |
| jroll | poor lucasagomes :P | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | ok, 5 items. how does it look? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, same opinion, if it looks ready I would include it | 17:29 |
| * dtantsur guessed, but still :) | 17:30 | |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, lgtm | 17:30 |
| vdrok | lgtm | 17:30 |
| jroll | I'm fine with it | 17:30 |
| mariojv | LGTM | 17:30 |
| jroll | I hope we start getting networking things in there, so we don't rush them all in at the end | 17:30 |
| mariojv | i'm glad we have the client patch since those get less attention in general | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | jroll++ | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | mariojv++ | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | ok, I guess we can move on.. | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | #topic Appointing a bug liaison for the next week | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Appointing a bug liaison for the next week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:31 | |
| dtantsur | mjturek, are you enjoying it? :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | any volunteers this time? | 17:31 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: definitely! if someone wants to give it a go that's fine too | 17:32 |
| mjturek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage the current bug triaging effort etherpad | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | thanks mjturek! I don't see other volunteers, soo :) | 17:32 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: sure I'll do another week :) | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | #action mjturek to continue to look after our bug list | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | no discussion items, so I'm opening the floor | 17:33 |
| jroll | thank you mjturek :) | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:33 |
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| mjturek | np jroll :) | 17:33 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: I had put an item here about a bug I saw | 17:34 |
| jroll | wanyen: to answer your question, the traits work won't happen until queens. there isn't a plan yet, we're still brainstorming. there will be an upgrade path that won't require downtime, but may require operator action. | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1672457 issue reported by Red Hat scale folks about ironic-conductor performance with time | 17:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672457 in Ironic "Ironic Conductor performance trends down with uptime" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | I added an item there regarding a comment from JayF in the redfish driver (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438982/11/ironic/drivers/modules/redfish/utils.py L48) | 17:34 |
| jroll | wanyen: (the operator action will likely be updating flavors) | 17:34 |
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| joanna | I have 2 questions | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | current the spec as only 1 option for the SSL cert verification, TheJulia proposed having two | 17:35 |
| wanyen | jroll: thanks! I have a few questions regarding traists. | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | but still... not sure how people would prefer that. So if you have a time to look at the comment and weight it would be great | 17:35 |
| * dtantsur is not sure we should discuss Queens traits now... | 17:35 | |
| jroll | wanyen: sure, feel free to ask me in channel or send me an email | 17:35 |
| jroll | s/channel/ironic channel/ | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I'd stick with what python-requests accepts | 17:35 |
| xavierr | cores, I'd like another review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386014/ it has one +2 and avoid oneview drivers to break due problems when allocating a node on oneview | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right, and just document it better ? | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | but two options also sound good | 17:36 |
| xavierr | :) | 17:36 |
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| jlvillal | Which topic are we on? Did we finish with the performance one? | 17:36 |
| vdrok | pas-ha added one thing to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, if people feel like 2 options are cleaner, I'm also fine | 17:36 |
| joanna | desired response code in case API is not available in specified version is 405, right? | 17:36 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: i'm wondering if the perf issues can be reproduced with ocata, since those stats were from newton | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right on | 17:36 |
| mjturek | jlvillal: not yet, waiting for it to die down a bit | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, I think we mixed everything | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, that was just info, I don't think we can fix it here and now | 17:36 |
| mariojv | also wondering if default config options for # periodic task workers was used | 17:36 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: fair enough, was wondering if it's cause for concern | 17:36 |
| vdrok | joanna: 406 or 404 | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | joanna, whatever is NotAcceptable. except for new endpoints, we return 404 for them. | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, but the performance one seems interesting, justin works for RH and he's doing a lot of performance tests with ironic (and other projects) | 17:37 |
| joanna | vdrok, dtantsur: thanks! | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, you may ask jkilpatr on #openstack-ironic | 17:37 |
| mariojv | ok | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Yeah. Just I was getting slightly confused as appeared three maybe four things being discussed at the same time. | 17:37 |
| jroll | yes, let's not debug performance issues in the meeting :P | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | #info please keep updating https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 17:37 |
| nicodemos | I'd like to get some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377106/ , I already answered vdrok questions | 17:37 |
| joanna | I was also wondering why do we keep sample config in the repo? | 17:38 |
| wanyen | jroll: ok. Thanks! The nova os_traits said that it addresses the problem for host aggregate. However, based on my understanding host aggregate does not support Iornic yet. | 17:38 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: are there some graphs related to memory? I saw only cpu there | 17:38 |
| jroll | vdrok: ++ for pas-ha's comments on that etherpad | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | joanna, just as a reference ? | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, please ask jkilpatr in the channel | 17:38 |
| jroll | wanyen: let's not discuss in this meeting, we can talk in #openstack-ironic or email | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | I actually find it useful, specially when liking people about a certain config option | 17:38 |
| wanyen | jroll: ok. | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | joanna: operator friendly reference | 17:38 |
| mariojv | vdrok: i moved the convo to #openstack-ironic | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | joanna, but no big reason other than that *I think* | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:39 |
| jroll | I thought it was because the people that like in-repo config won that game of rock paper scissors | 17:39 |
| joanna | ok. I'm just not used to keeping generated files in the repo as they're ususally hard to maintain | 17:39 |
| joanna | but I suppose it's good if an operator can look it up on github, right? | 17:39 |
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| dtantsur | yeah, it's a trade-off | 17:39 |
| mariojv | i personally find the sample config useful | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | yep, you can link to a specific line, etc | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | joanna, right | 17:40 |
| rloo | i don't think it is just on github; i thought those .sample files were packaged too | 17:40 |
| jroll | joanna: the main thing is that the tox target to generate it requires all dependencies. which means you need postgres dev headers, numpy, and all sorts of related crazy | 17:40 |
| mariojv | it is a bit annoying when it's out of date, but to me that annoyance cost is outweighed by the benefits | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Any news on Dell CI? I was reminded as I noticed it said -1 to my patch ;) | 17:40 |
| joanna | dtantsur, jroll , lucasagomes, TheJulia, mariojv: thanks | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, I did not get to chatting with folks. I remember it was not completely red, but I need to estimate it. | 17:40 |
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| jlvillal | dtantsur: Thanks. | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | rloo, right, we do package them: https://github.com/rdo-packages/ironic-distgit/blob/rpm-master/openstack-ironic.spec#L122 | 17:41 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think that is the most value for generating it! | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | yep, it helps | 17:42 |
| rpioso | jlvillal, dtantsur: I'm checking on the Dell CI. | 17:42 |
| vdrok | re https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike, the goal is I guess increasing "project maturity". one of the items there is number of SDKs, do we want to have more than 2? | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | rpioso: Awesome. Thanks :) | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | rpioso, thanks! please make sure to have an up-to-date HTTPS certificate, btw :) this is a common problem. | 17:42 |
| vdrok | and if so, which ones are in more priority out of those listed on the sdk wiki | 17:42 |
| rpioso | jlvillal: Which patch, please? | 17:42 |
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| dtantsur | vdrok, how many of folks here have a pet SDK? :) (I have) | 17:42 |
| wanyen | jroll: there are still a few resource provider and os_trait email chains that I would like to follow, so I will discuss this topic with you in a few days. | 17:43 |
| * jroll thinks the SDK metric is totally bogus | 17:43 | |
| dtantsur | jroll++ | 17:43 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: hah, just add it here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SDKs, we'll get +1 :) | 17:43 |
| jlvillal | rpioso: Most of them ;) But here is one: https://review.openstack.org/445636 | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, no ironic yet, a barely started with compute :D | 17:43 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: ty for the suggestion. | 17:44 |
| rpioso | jlvillal: :-( Thank you! | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | rpioso: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days I see a lot of red red red red red .... | 17:44 |
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| jlvillal | HPE and Fujitsu appear to be in the same situation. | 17:45 |
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| mjturek | jlvillal: pkvmci is broken too | 17:45 |
| mjturek | haven't had a ton of time to debug | 17:45 |
| rpioso | jlvillal: We'll look into it. | 17:45 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | we should start improving our 3rdparty CI situation | 17:46 |
| jroll | wanyen: okay, please read and figure out what "traits" means, I suggest to start with: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/resource-provider-traits.html | 17:46 |
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| jroll | wanyen: and realize that I don't have a solid plan yet, and I probably still won't have a plan when we talk :) | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | with percentage of false negative not an order of magnitude more than one of our regular CI :-/ | 17:47 |
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| jlvillal | dtantsur: ++ | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | I'd even suggest to have some goal, and assess it by end of Pike | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | and maybe make some sad decisions ;) | 17:47 |
| wanyen | jroll, I have read the spec that you mentioned that's why I have some questions. No rush since it's for Queen. | 17:48 |
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| jroll | wanyen: cool, I'm ready to chat whenever you are, let me know :) | 17:48 |
| wanyen | jroll: ok. Tx | 17:48 |
| * dtantsur hopes his comments on 3rdparty CI were noted | 17:48 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: I noted them :P | 17:49 |
| jroll | could use an #info | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: # info it? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | yeah, gimme a second | 17:49 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i was waiting to hear what the goals were first :) | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I don't have them, but I will soon(ish) | 17:49 |
| rloo | dtantsur: okey dokey | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | #info we expect 3rdparty CI to be comparably reliable to our regular CI. dtantsur plans on assessing each CI performance by the end of Pike. | 17:50 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, I'm still planning on a tool to get statistics out of gerrit | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | given numbers, I can make proposals | 17:50 |
| mariojv | thank you dtantsur, that'll be useful | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | And if they aren't, they can be removed along with their driver. | 17:50 |
| rloo | dtantsur: please add to that, what we decided in previous cycle, about 3rd party CI expectations | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | sure, I need to review it | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:51 |
| * dtantsur waits a minute more | 17:52 | |
| rloo | about ^^ ? no. did we want to discuss i18n of log msgs? I can discuss with you later if you want. | 17:52 |
| jlvillal | Did we discuss the i18n thing? | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | no, I forgot about it | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | rloo, so, is it official now? I could not figure out from the mail thread? | 17:53 |
| jroll | is there anything to discuss? | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah it is official. | 17:53 |
| jroll | dtantsur: nova is removing them already, so yeah | 17:53 |
| rloo | two things to discuss i think. | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | jroll, rather to announce | 17:53 |
| rloo | 1. starting now, should we remove/not approve any patches with i18n'd log msgs? | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | #info OpenStack stops translating logs. we will remove translation markers around them soon. | 17:53 |
| soliosg | nova already deleted *.po files from their project | 17:53 |
| vdrok | rloo: I guess not only logs but exceptions too? | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, exceptions may propagate to users | 17:54 |
| rloo | 2. someone (s) is bound to submit patches removing the i18n calls. i'm concerned about big patches, causing rebases of other patches. | 17:54 |
| mariojv | i'd suggest that we only start refusing patches with _() after the removal happens | 17:54 |
| mjturek | they disabled the hacking job's check for translations as well. Not sure if we have one too | 17:54 |
| rloo | vdrok: not clear about exceptions, they could be userfacing. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | mariojv++ | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | We should be clear and emphasize that it is "log" messages. Not messages that the user will see. Which I think for us is most messages. | 17:54 |
| vdrok | ok | 17:54 |
| jroll | rloo: we should get a volunteer now, and do it in small chunks | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | mariojv, yeah I was wondering if I should remove from the patches I have up in the queue now | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | #info please consider removing translation markers around *logs* in your patches to make our life easier | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, if you have comments to address, certainly yes | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | if it's close to landing, I'd say land it and follow up | 17:55 |
| rloo | ok, so ok with translation markers for now. | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right on | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | I would defer to keeping for exceptions as they could hit the user. Without clear guidance otherwise. | 17:55 |
| rloo | jlvillal: ++ | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | generally, _() stays, everything else goes away | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | unless we made a mistake and used a wrong marker | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | _() means "user visible" | 17:56 |
| mariojv | oh, ok | 17:56 |
| mariojv | so just remove _LE, _LW, etc? | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, right. but double-check that they are actually not visible to a user (e.g. we don't do raise SomeError(_LE(..))) | 17:57 |
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| mariojv | ok | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | volunteers? :) | 17:58 |
| rpioso | How do we want to partition it? | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | So is this a "Pike priority"? I mean when is it expected to be done? | 17:58 |
| rloo | no, not a priority. | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | rpioso, "use common sense" I guess.. | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | each driver separately, etc | 17:58 |
| rloo | we don't have to remove anything; nothing will be translated is all. | 17:59 |
| soliosg | how to split the work would be importante, per file, folder, etc | 17:59 |
| mariojv | agreed unless there's some openstack wide mandate that this has to be in by end of pike | 17:59 |
| jroll | there is not a mandate | 17:59 |
| joanna | I can take the API part if this helps? | 17:59 |
| jroll | it's just, "you can remove these now" | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | my only concern is inconsistency | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | rloo: Okay, good. | 17:59 |
| jroll | joanna: ++ | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | so either remove or not :) | 17:59 |
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| dtantsur | joanna, thanks! | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | and we're out of time | 17:59 |
| jroll | dtantsur: this is a distributed system, eventual consistency ftw :) | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I will volunteer for ironic-lib | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone, let's move to the channel! | 17:59 |
| joanna | dtantsur: noted :) | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | thanks jlvillal! | 18:00 |
| mariojv | thanks all | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| lucasagomes | ty | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 18:00:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-20-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| crushil | \o | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-20-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-20-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack-upstream-institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 20:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-upstream-institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ildikov | bauzas: ping :) | 20:01 |
| marst | o/ | 20:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 20:01 |
| ildikov | who's around for a good training meeting? :) | 20:01 |
| bauzas | ildikov: thanks :) | 20:01 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Me of course. | 20:01 |
| jungleboyj | How about a great meeting even!?! | 20:02 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: :) | 20:02 |
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| ildikov | works for me :) | 20:02 |
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| ildikov | alright, let's wait two more minutes | 20:02 |
| ildikov | I might send out a quick reminder mail :) | 20:02 |
| jungleboyj | It was short notice. By no fault of your own. | 20:03 |
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| ildikov | I know, I wanted to kick this off quickly | 20:04 |
| ildikov | so a few items | 20:04 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:04 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 20:04 |
| ildikov | the meeting agenda is posted on this etherpad ^^ | 20:04 |
| tobberydberg | o/ | 20:04 |
| ildikov | if you have anything for today just drop it there, you can also add your IRC nick if you would like to get pinged when the meeting starts | 20:05 |
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| PagliaccisCloud | :D | 20:05 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: tobberydberg: PagliaccisCloud: thanks for joining :) | 20:05 |
| ildikov | we also have a team wiki page: | 20:05 |
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| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute | 20:06 |
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| ildikov | please check whether you find yourself there and please add yourself there or fill out the missing info | 20:06 |
| ildikov | the training website is the following, I started to clean it up a bit already | 20:07 |
| ildikov | #link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 20:08 |
| ildikov | and finally the github repo for the source: | 20:08 |
| ildikov | #link https://github.com/openstack/training-guides | 20:09 |
| ildikov | these are the administrative items, where you can find all the info we have so far | 20:09 |
| ildikov | our next upcoming training will be in Boston, May 6-7 as you can see on the training website as well | 20:10 |
| ildikov | as it's getting pretty close we need to start to prepare | 20:10 |
| ildikov | the training RSVP form is already out | 20:10 |
| ildikov | if any of you know already that you can join us there on site, please add it to the wiki! | 20:10 |
| bauzas | ildikov: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/ doesn't mention the training, just the "academy" | 20:11 |
| bauzas | ildikov: possibly confusing FWIW | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Which wiki do you want that in? | 20:11 |
| ildikov | bauzas: It's there as OpenStack Upstream Institute | 20:12 |
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| marst | jungleboyj: I guess this one: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute | 20:12 |
| ildikov | marst: tnx :) | 20:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Ha, some amazing person already put me there. | 20:12 |
| bauzas | ildikov: I meant https://www.openstack.org/assets/boston-summit/images/boston-schedule-final.png | 20:12 |
| ildikov | bauzas: the training belongs under the umbrella of the "Academy" | 20:13 |
| ildikov | bauzas: oh, sorry, good point | 20:13 |
| ildikov | bauzas: I will get that fixed! | 20:13 |
| bauzas | ildikov: yup, but the above schedule mentions Sunday as a starting day | 20:13 |
| bauzas | ildikov: np, just for you | 20:13 |
| ildikov | bauzas: nah it's good, it really is confusing | 20:13 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I copied the names from the etherpad we had before :) | 20:14 |
| bauzas | one last point, the wiki asks whether I'm "available" at Boston | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you. | 20:14 |
| bauzas | does it mean I would be "available" for the institute, or just for the Forum ? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | bauzas: I meant that as people are available for the training itself | 20:15 |
| bauzas | ack, then no | 20:15 |
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| ildikov | but I will clarify it | 20:15 |
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| bauzas | it's a budget concern given my company doesn't support me for 2 extra nights | 20:15 |
| bauzas | which is understandable hopefully | 20:16 |
| ildikov | bauzas: no problem, I know it's not easy | 20:16 |
| ildikov | bauzas: so it's fully understandable | 20:16 |
| ildikov | bauzas: and I'm sorry you cannot make it there for the training this time :( | 20:17 |
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| spotz | Hey guys sorry I'm late multi-meeting | 20:17 |
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| ildikov | spotz: np, thanks for joining! | 20:18 |
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| ildikov | so the objectives of the training are to give people the entry points to the community, show the first steps and make them confident about taking the next steps by themselves | 20:20 |
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| ildikov | we would like to encourage them to find information and build the willingness and ability to ask for help and guidance if they need it by showing them how we are communicating with each other | 20:21 |
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| ildikov | we would like to have as many exercises as possible to keep the audience focused and involved the whole time | 20:21 |
| bauzas | ildikov: are you planning some sort of follow-up with the Forum ? | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:22 |
| bauzas | I saw some sessions targeted for newcomers | 20:22 |
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| ildikov | we have the experience that longer lectures get people destructed pretty quickly | 20:22 |
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| ildikov | bauzas: I was considering to point people to the project on-boarding rooms and presentations for new comers | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Agreed. Think we should have gotten into the focused group sessions quicker too. | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:23 |
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| spotz | The on-boarding rooms I think will be a nice follow-up | 20:23 |
| ildikov | bauzas: we were also thinking about what more we could do during the Forum as follow-up, we might be smarter on that after seeing how the first Forum worked out though | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | Should make sure we communicate what the newcomers have been taught for those groups that are not actively involved. | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: I'm hoping building a team with liaisons from the projects will make that easier | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | :-) It seems like some of the discomfort about 'The Forum' is waning though. Excited to see how it goes. | 20:24 |
| ildikov | spotz: agreed | 20:24 |
| bauzas | ildikov: so the training is still targeted to be more focused on processes rather than projects, so people would go to on-boarding rooms for the latter ? | 20:24 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ How are we doing getting representation from all the teams? | 20:24 |
| ildikov | bauzas: we are planning deep-dive sessions, where people could talk to people from projects in their area of interest while they are exploring the tools in practice and learning testing or docs build, etc. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | bauzas: in smaller groups people can ask more specific questions about projects | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | I am getting more tied in with Manila. So I could field questions there too. Could maybe pull in jrichli in to cover Swift. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | bauzas: we can then point them to the on-boarding rooms to take further steps | 20:25 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds great, thanks! | 20:25 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Of course. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we can create an additional column on the wiki for liaisons with additional projects they are involved in | 20:26 |
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| jungleboyj | bauzas: That was one of the best parts of the academy in BCN. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: as we don't have that currently, but if you could add that would be great :) | 20:26 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok. Will do. (Nice delegation) | 20:27 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: :) | 20:27 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: who will run the on-boarding rooms? | 20:27 |
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| ildikov | mlavalle: I think we provide the space and it's on the project teams to organize it | 20:28 |
| bauzas | ildikov: mmm, okay, so that requires people from projects during the training indeed | 20:28 |
| spotz | Ok WoO meeting over I'm all yours:) | 20:28 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: but I need to double check that with diablo_rojo, she's more involved with the organisation part | 20:28 |
| ildikov | spotz: great to have you! :) | 20:28 |
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| mlavalle | ildikov: let me take one step back. what is the expectation of people like me, who is liaison for Neutron? | 20:29 |
| ildikov | bauzas: yep, it does, we are having a short survey as part of the RSVP form | 20:29 |
| tobberydberg | I just chime in here real quick. Mostly listening in here during the meeting - hope that is ok. I would like to see more people from the public cloud sector to join the community and contribute, think we lack good representation there... | 20:29 |
| tobberydberg | So, listening in to bring knowledge to the Public Cloud WG and see if we can push this as well! | 20:30 |
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| spotz | tobberydberg: I think everyone would like to see more people from every sector:) | 20:31 |
| tobberydberg | I'm sure they will! =) | 20:31 |
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| bauzas | ildikov: well, part of my previous experience told me that lots of people say they're interested in nova and/or neutron, but miss other projects | 20:31 |
| marst | ildikov: Apologies for the derail, but speaking of training content: would it be ok to add some generic tips? How to handle openstack-dev mailing list (enable filtering or use gmail/fastmail, avoid top-posting), the importance of being on IRC, couple of sentences about IRC bouncers (ZNC vs irccloud) etc? | 20:32 |
| ildikov | sorry, IRCCloud died on me... :( | 20:32 |
| bauzas | I could be concerned that nova wouldn't have all the resources to help those contributors during the training | 20:32 |
| ildikov | so based on the survey we should have a pretty good idea about which projects we need to cover | 20:32 |
| bauzas | ildikov: yup, we had a netsplit a second ago | 20:32 |
| spotz | marst - I think that would be great. In Barcelona we ran a COmmunication Tools lunch and learn to address some of those things but not repeating in Boston | 20:32 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: we have a short intro about WGs on the training | 20:32 |
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| ildikov | tobberydberg: we are trying to figure out how to get people more involved in WGs | 20:33 |
| tobberydberg | That is very good as well! | 20:33 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: and we can also look into how you could get more involved in the training so we can figure out how to get people into the community from different sectors | 20:33 |
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| ildikov | marst: so the training itself is for beginners | 20:34 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds good ildikov ! | 20:34 |
| ildikov | marst: and sometimes we have people who are not that familiar with IRC, etc. so we try not to overload people with information | 20:34 |
| marst | ildikov: ah, ok. got it. makes sense. | 20:35 |
| ildikov | marst: but we can have different level of exercises and we can work with the groups and share more info with those who're more experienced | 20:35 |
| ildikov | bauzas: we will have representatives there from several projects, we cannot cover the whole Big Tent, but I hope we will be able to cover bigger areas | 20:36 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Even an opportunity for the people who have more experience help out a bit and grow in that way. Build their own confidence which isn't all bad. | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | Couldn't believe how much more confident I felt after the last training. | 20:36 |
| ildikov | spotz: marst: maybe on future Forums we can also look into have one or two follow up sessions on advanced tooling and best practices | 20:37 |
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| ildikov | spotz: marst for those who're interested and are ready to take things to the next level, I'm sure I could learn much on these too :) | 20:37 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:37 |
| spotz | ildikov: We can definitely revamp it and do it again if we can find a free lunch slot, though I don't think there are going to be any in Boston except THursday | 20:38 |
| ildikov | the main objective here is also to make people feel that they can find the info, figure things out by themselves and if they cannot we are all here to help | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | We just need to become experts in everything. | 20:38 |
| spotz | ha jungleboyj we already are:) | 20:38 |
| ildikov | spotz: yeah, maybe we should not try to "overload" Boston | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: :-) I don't think I am. | 20:39 |
| ildikov | spotz: but let's keep these in mind and see what we can do | 20:39 |
| spotz | ildikov: If there's interest I'll get it going for Sydney with the git and gerrit | 20:39 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think that would be great! | 20:40 |
| jungleboyj | +1 We learned from BCN, we will learn more in Boston. Just keep leveraging up. | 20:40 |
| marst | ildikov: thanks! you're probably right, too much information might scare people away | 20:40 |
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| marst | ildikov: sorry for derail. | 20:41 |
| ildikov | marst: it usually does, people come with less experience and overly high expectations and then we overload them with info and they don't know what's the next step | 20:41 |
| ildikov | marst: nah, they're all valid points | 20:41 |
| ildikov | marst: so thanks for bringing them up | 20:42 |
| ildikov | so what we need to do currently is work more on the training format and agenda | 20:42 |
| spotz | ildikov: Is there anyway to break out into 2 groups maybe? A beginning track and a more advanced track? | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: One step at a time man. | 20:43 |
| ildikov | the idea is to keep the training modular and start with common items like community info like projects and governance, communication and tools and then go into the deep dive parts | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 20:43 |
| ildikov | spotz: we plan to group them by the area of interest this time | 20:43 |
| spotz | cool | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: How long are we planning to make that first part this time? Not a full day, right? | 20:43 |
| ildikov | spotz: I personally hope that we will have mixed groups on the level of experience and people can help each other | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:44 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think it's a great way to get people confident if they can help others within the group | 20:44 |
| ildikov | spotz: also could be a good way of building a good culture from day 0 | 20:44 |
| PagliaccisCloud | ^ | 20:44 |
| spotz | ildikov: definitely and hopefully one person gets help on one thing and gives help on another:) | 20:44 |
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| ildikov | spotz: I think for now that's the best we can do | 20:45 |
| ildikov | spotz: +1, exactly :) | 20:45 |
| tobberydberg | +1 for Beginners track vs More advanced track - even if not possible for Boston, good for Sydney | 20:45 |
| bauzas | we tried that in the past | 20:45 |
| ildikov | tobberydberg: it can be tricky to decide who belongs there and it also needs more people to help out on site, but can look into options | 20:46 |
| bauzas | with 3 different groups | 20:46 |
| bauzas | but yeah, what ildikov said | 20:46 |
| ildikov | bauzas: thanks for confirming | 20:47 |
| bauzas | it's rather better to ask for prereqs | 20:47 |
| tobberydberg | Agree on that...to separate agendas of course and set "requirements" - dont know what they should be yet though | 20:47 |
| bauzas | people should at least know how git is working... | 20:47 |
| spotz | It would need to be a natural divide once there, everyone always thinks they know nothing or everything | 20:47 |
| bauzas | which wasn't the case when I teached one of those groups :) | 20:47 |
| spotz | bauzas: if not we have it covered Wednesday during lunch:) | 20:47 |
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| ildikov | :) | 20:47 |
| ildikov | so in my thinking we should encourage people to look things up during the training | 20:48 |
| bauzas | I was full of sandwitch so I missed the lunch f2f :p | 20:48 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Column added to the Wiki. Let me know if you want something different. | 20:49 |
| ildikov | that's what we all do or at least me if I don't know something and getting to know the tools is one of these things | 20:49 |
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| ildikov | we only need to make people want to put some effort into contributing and if they are motivated it doesn't matter how much they know git at the time of the training | 20:49 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: tnx, will check | 20:49 |
| ildikov | so we have 10 minutes left | 20:50 |
| ildikov | I started an etherpad with listing the current training exercises that needs to be revisited and evolved further | 20:50 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises | 20:50 |
| ildikov | we also have duplications in the training content beyond the 'too much info' problem | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | it would be great if you could take a look at the exercises and the current material to see where we could do a better job | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | also those of you who are able to come to the training in Boston please make yourself familiar with the material and the exercises | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | you can reach out to me or diablo_rojo if you have any questions on the new channel or on the mailing list, etc. | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like good info. | 20:53 |
| ildikov | during the week I will look deeper into what tasks we could identify for ourselves to work on | 20:53 |
| ildikov | and iteratively get done as much as we can until the training | 20:53 |
| bauzas | I'll try to review the etherpad even if I can't attend the training itself | 20:54 |
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| ildikov | teaching and coaching is challenging just by themselves, but I think if we can show that this is a friendly community with lots of interesting things to work on we won! | 20:55 |
| bauzas | do you still have the training materials somewhere in a git repo ? | 20:55 |
| ildikov | bauzas: that would be great, thanks! | 20:55 |
| ildikov | bauzas: https://github.com/openstack/training-guides | 20:55 |
| ildikov | under upstream-training | 20:55 |
| bauzas | yeah so that's the ones I was thinking about | 20:56 |
| ildikov | both the slides and the web site source files are there | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | It was very important to be open and friendly to the participants. I had a number of people approach me in BCN just because they recognized me and appreciated having someone they knew there from the training. | 20:56 |
| ildikov | I would guess it hasn't really changed | 20:56 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:56 |
| ildikov | we have four minutes left | 20:56 |
| spotz | +1 jungleboyj | 20:56 |
| ildikov | does anyone have any questions? | 20:56 |
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| ildikov | either on the objectives or what to do until the next meeting or anything training/on-boarding related? :) | 20:57 |
| ildikov | I take that as a no :) | 20:58 |
| ildikov | I think we had a great meeting today | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | No, good first meeting. Thanks ildikov ! | 20:58 |
| ildikov | thank you all for the questions and ideas, they were all great! | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:59 |
| ildikov | please take a look at the materials and add your ideas to the exercises etherpad | 20:59 |
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| ildikov | or upload a patch for review :) | 20:59 |
| marst | ildikov: thank you! | 21:00 |
| ildikov | see you all next week! :) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 21:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | bye | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-20-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | Later. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-20-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-20-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| spotz | Thanks ildikov! | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: what is the team's irc room? | 21:02 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: #openstack-upstream-institute | 21:03 |
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| kevinbenton | i have two patches that seem to refuse to go to gate | 23:44 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446204/ | 23:44 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446152/ | 23:44 |
| kevinbenton | is there a way to tell what might be upsetting the gate? | 23:44 |
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