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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 14:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Thanks for the ping! | 14:00 |
| gcb | hi jungleboyj | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. :-) | 14:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| lhx_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | good morning/afternoon/evening everyone lol | 14:02 |
| crushil | Hey. I am the Ironic liason to oslo now. I updated the ping script to update | 14:02 |
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| jungleboyj | crushil: Welcome. | 14:03 |
| gcb | crushil, welcome , I should update my ping list from the ping script | 14:03 |
| lhx_ | crushil, welcome :) | 14:03 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:04 | |
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| dims | o/ | 14:04 |
| gcb | hi dims | 14:04 |
| gcb | I checked our periodic jobs, didn't find failure, but zmq jobs for oslo.messaging failed recently | 14:05 |
| gcb | I posted #link https://review.openstack.org/450235 to make the job non-voting, then we'll try to fix the gate | 14:06 |
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| gcb | hope we can make it voting again ASAP | 14:07 |
| dims | ack gcb | 14:07 |
| gcb | seems, there is no red flags, let's move on | 14:07 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Pike (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:07 | |
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| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/450164 | 14:08 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, in two meetings. No red flags here. | 14:08 |
| gcb | ack, jungleboyj | 14:08 |
| gcb | we usually make weekly release for oslo libraries on Monday | 14:09 |
| gcb | #topic stuck reviews | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:10 | |
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| gcb | Any reviews need more people to look at here ? | 14:11 |
| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/384559 seems almost ready to merge | 14:11 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:12 | |
| gcb | the last part of weekly meeting, Anyone have any questions ? | 14:13 |
| gcb | It's a short meeting today lol | 14:15 |
| gcb | okay, let's call it meeting, thanks everyone | 14:16 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks gcb | 14:16 |
| jungleboyj | gcb: Thanks! | 14:16 |
| jungleboyj | Have a great week. | 14:16 |
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| gcb | electrocucaracha, jungleboyj , have a nice day | 14:16 |
| lhx_ | gcb, thanks :) | 14:16 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 14:16:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-27-14.00.html | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-27-14.00.txt | 14:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-03-27-14.00.log.html | 14:16 |
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| gcb | thanks lhx_ | 14:17 |
| lhx_ | I'd like to look into the gate issue | 14:18 |
| lhx_ | for oslo.messaging | 14:18 |
| gcb | lhx_, let's talk at #openstack-oslo | 14:19 |
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| toure | d0ugal meeting? | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | toure: rakhmerov is running late | 15:10 |
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| toure | cool | 15:10 |
| toure | thanks | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | toure: I wasn't sure if I should start it or just wait | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | I guess I can start it and we can have an open discussion until he arrives | 15:10 |
| toure | I am fine either way | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | #startmeeting mistral | 15:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 15:11:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | Hey - who is here for the Mistral meeting? | 15:11 |
| toure | hello :) | 15:12 |
| d0ugal | We are just waiting for rakhmerov to arrive before we start properly. | 15:12 |
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| d0ugal | so before he does, we can just chat about anything people have | 15:12 |
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| sharatss | me o/ | 15:12 |
| d0ugal | Hey sharatss | 15:13 |
| rbrady | \o | 15:13 |
| thrash | o/ | 15:13 |
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| rbrady | I'll be here for the next 10 min | 15:13 |
| thrash | same ^^ | 15:14 |
| d0ugal | cool, you can both entertain us until rakhmerov arrives :) | 15:14 |
| * thrash dances | 15:14 | |
| toure | hehe | 15:14 |
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| d0ugal | oh, cool, I see the Advanced Publishing spec landed. | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/mistral-specs/specs/pike/approved/advanced_publishing.html | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | It is worth a read if you've not seen it yet - should be a useful addition. | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | Jump to the examples at the end of the "Proposed change" for the TLDR | 15:17 |
| d0ugal | rbrady: speaking of specs, do you if there is any ideas/info around for the securing sensitive information? | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | I assume it came up at the PTG | 15:18 |
| rbrady | yes...there was some initial ideas in the etherpad. I'm not sure if anyone has started a spec for it yet. if not, it's something I could start in the next couple of days | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | cool, would be interesting to see. | 15:24 |
| rbrady | #action rbrady start sensitive data spec | 15:26 |
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| rbrady | alright, my times up. I will see you all in #openstack-mistral later | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | cya | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | I'm wondering if rakhmerov is going to make it :) | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | Anyone got any bugs to discuss or review requests? | 15:27 |
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| d0ugal | I'll wait a bit longer and then we can run through the normal agenda - probably not that much to cover this week | 15:27 |
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| d0ugal | #topic Review action items | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:30 | |
| d0ugal | Okay, so from last week we had two action items. | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | 1. mgershen/team to talk with Renat about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672379 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672379 in Mistral "default task on error not running when task fail to evaluate input" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | Since neither seem to be here, I'll just add that again so it isn't lost. | 15:32 |
| d0ugal | #action mgershen/team to talk with Renat about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672379 | 15:32 |
| d0ugal | 2. d0ugal to make a bug about using KeyStone sessions when we create OpenStack clients | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'm here | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | sorry | 15:32 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: hey, no problem | 15:32 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I just started to go through the action items from last time - we have had a bit of open discussion initially just while we waited. | 15:32 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | please keep going | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | I'll catch up | 15:33 |
| d0ugal | I've not done my action item ^ - so I'll just quickly open the bug now | 15:34 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 15:35 |
| d0ugal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1676485 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676485 in Mistral "Use Keystone sessions to create Mistral clients" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:36 |
| d0ugal | Okay, that is that action item done now :) | 15:36 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Unless you want to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1672379 now (but maybe better when mgershen is here) we are finished with the action items | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672379 in Mistral "default task on error not running when task fail to evaluate input" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | Michal said she wouldn't be here today | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | okay, np | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, well, we already had a quick chat about this bug | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | with her and my boss | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | oh, cool - I see you commented on it recently. | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | it's not really a bug, I think I was able to explain her and she was going to create a BP | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, if details are needed I can provide them | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | cool, thanks | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, you can take over with the current status section now if you want :) | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | in a nutshell, this behavior was a result of long discussions and considerations and it's the way we designed it on purpose | 15:39 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: is there actually anyone else on the meeting besides me and you? :) | 15:39 |
| d0ugal | #chair rakhmerov | 15:39 |
| openstack | Current chairs: d0ugal rakhmerov | 15:39 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 15:40 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Good question. toure and sharatss might still be here. | 15:40 |
| d0ugal | but rbrady-afk had to leave and I think thrash did too | 15:40 |
| toure | I am catching up, had to step away for a sec | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | my status: was on sick leave most of the last week, working on advanced publishing (publishing to different scopes + defining it in 'on-xxx') | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | toure: ok | 15:40 |
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| rakhmerov | the task (advanced publishing) seems to be pretty hairy actually because it requires a serious refactoring first | 15:41 |
| toure | status: working on finalizing POC for workflow error analysis will post a review today | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | to keep backwards compatibility | 15:41 |
| d0ugal | status: looking for another review on the mistral-extra spec. https://review.openstack.org/446996 | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | toure: you're working on an endpoint now? | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | toure: can you just remind what's going to be a part of the POC? | 15:42 |
| toure | rakhmerov yeah, so I created a report endpoint | 15:42 |
| sharatss | status: working on keystoneauth migration and mistral-congress integration. will commit in a day or two | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'll ask mgershen to review it tomorrow | 15:42 |
| toure | this will include a controller backed by a service | 15:42 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: thanks | 15:43 |
| toure | rakhmerov ^^ | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | toure: yep, ok | 15:43 |
| toure | rakhmerov I have also the clientside roughly worked out, need some more work also | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | toure: I saw that the spec has -1 for some reason, so I didn't look at the latest version yet | 15:43 |
| d0ugal | I think the -1 is mostly for small things | 15:44 |
| toure | rakhmerov there were a few formatting concerns which I addressed | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | but if you think I need to review it now I'll do (early feedback kinda) | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | okay | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | got it | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | toure: ok, awesome | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | looking forward to seeing something working :) | 15:44 |
| toure | rakhmerov I think I will pick up that other blueprint in regards to error seperation | 15:44 |
| toure | rakhmerov thanks | 15:44 |
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| rakhmerov | toure: yes, feel free | 15:45 |
| toure | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-error-separation | 15:45 |
| toure | some of that wourk will be addressed in the other spec | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | and also keep that error info structuring in mind | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | stack trace stored in a different field etc. | 15:46 |
| toure | yup | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | what we discussed at the PTG | 15:46 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 15:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: besides that spec (which seems to be good already), is there anything else you're now working on? | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | maybe you need help or something | 15:48 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I am going to start implementing it soon, but last week I focused on a few TripleO tasks. | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:49 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I did also spend a bit of time thinking how a "run-workflow" command would work - we talked about it before briefly | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: on a different topic, has anyone from other teams already contacted you on docs? | 15:49 |
| d0ugal | but the idea was to have a way to run a workflow so you can test it out without having to do create/update etc :) | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: you're a doc liaison so I wonder if someone talks to you :) | 15:49 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: not really, I had one email related to it - but if I remember it wasn't relevant to Mistral | 15:50 |
| d0ugal | I'll check | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | np, just reminding about it so that you might want to configure email etc. :) | 15:51 |
| d0ugal | #action d0ugal to check for doc liaison tasks | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, that 'run-workflow' thing would be cool to have | 15:51 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yup, thanks - I do forget about it sometimes and then remember and wonder if I have missed something - so I'll look again | 15:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: ask Michal to review the spec about mistral-extra | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | sure, ok | 15:52 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I wasn't sure how it would work with the API - I think the best place would be to let the user pass a workflow file to execution creation, but that seemed a bit wrong. | 15:52 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, that's hairy | 15:53 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: if you want we can chat about it tomorrow in IRC | 15:53 |
| d0ugal | sure | 15:53 |
| rakhmerov | tasks like this always challenge design ) | 15:54 |
| d0ugal | Indeed :) | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | as far as storing workflows/workbooks and using them I believe our design might not be flexible enough | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we'll talk about it separately | 15:55 |
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| d0ugal | I did have one other big idea :) | 15:55 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have much else actually :) | 15:55 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what was that? | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | ) | 15:56 |
| d0ugal | Do you know the Postgres query planner? I thought something like that for Mistral would be cool - so it would describe to you what a workflow would do | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, pretty much every decent RDBMS has something similar | 15:56 |
| d0ugal | yeah | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. interesting | 15:57 |
| d0ugal | I guess a first step would be to have something that shows you the workflow graph | 15:57 |
| d0ugal | but that could get tricky to represent | 15:57 |
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| d0ugal | anyway, it is just an early idea for now :-D | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | I'm trying to imagine what a plan of WF should look like | 15:57 |
| toure | +1 d0ugal's idea | 15:57 |
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| d0ugal | Compring with a query planner is maybe not the best idea | 15:58 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, a very cool graphical tool is being developed inside Nokia now, it already does a lot | 15:58 |
| d0ugal | basically I am thinking about tools to help you understand and analyze workflows | 15:58 |
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| d0ugal | oh, nice | 15:58 |
| rakhmerov | once we can we'll show a demo I guess | 15:59 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: will that be open sourced? :) | 15:59 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, that's really good. That's the direction that I'm mentally taking now in terms of development | 15:59 |
| rakhmerov | being more usable | 15:59 |
| d0ugal | awesome | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | and that takes us to the end of our time | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, that's the plan, it's planned to be open sourced | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | great | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | bye everyone | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | Thanks all | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 16:00:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-27-15.11.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-27-15.11.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-03-27-15.11.log.html | 16:00 |
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| toure | cya | 16:01 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 17:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| baha | o/ | 17:00 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | hi o/ | 17:00 |
| milan | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | mmm, this chair is comfy, it's been a while | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | :p | 17:00 |
| joanna | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi everyone! | 17:00 |
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| * rloo hopes jroll doesn't fall asleep in comfy chair... | 17:00 | |
| TheJulia | heh | 17:00 |
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| jroll | pft, I'm wide awake :D | 17:00 |
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| vgadiraj_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| jroll | couple things | 17:01 |
| * NobodyCam not has monty python skit running through his head | 17:01 | |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
| crushil | \o | 17:01 |
| jroll | dmitry is out this week | 17:01 |
| jroll | I'm also planning to do a nice small release of ironic before we start slamming features home | 17:01 |
| jroll | and ironicclient | 17:01 |
| Michael-ZTE | \o | 17:01 |
| jroll | and ironic-lib | 17:01 |
| jroll | still need to check the rest | 17:01 |
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| jroll | will do those this afternoon | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I think bifrost as well, will double check in a little bit | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | nice, I plan to release sushy this week as well | 17:02 |
| jroll | TheJulia: nice, thanks | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: hmm, can we wait til we land the api for dynamic drivers? | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: ah, maybe not. i'm not sure it'll be ready in time. | 17:02 |
| jroll | rloo: maybe, let's talk later | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | One other announcement. I sent an email about a half hour ago to the cores that I would appreciate feedback on in the next day or two. Thanks in advance! | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jroll | thanks TheJulia | 17:03 |
| jroll | any other announcements? | 17:03 |
| jroll | #topic review subteam status updates | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review subteam status updates (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:04 | |
| jroll | as always, those are here | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:04 |
| jroll | line 79 | 17:04 |
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| * jroll gives a friendly reminder to do these before the meeting, not during :) | 17:04 | |
| jroll | vsaienk0: nice work on standalone stuff :) | 17:05 |
| * rloo just updated Bugs stats | 17:05 | |
| lucasagomes | ++ vsaienk0 | 17:06 |
| alezil | o/ | 17:06 |
| * TheJulia glares at etherpad for eating her update | 17:06 | |
| jlvillal | ++ on stand-alone :) | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Also looking forward to vsaienk0's increased concurrency patch, if it works. Big time savings :) | 17:07 |
| rloo | vdrok: are you taking over the node tags stuff? | 17:08 |
| vsaienk0 | thanks folks! | 17:08 |
| vdrok | rloo: i can't say taking over, but I'll be updating them if zhenguo is not around | 17:08 |
| rloo | great work vsaienk0 | 17:08 |
| rloo | vdrok: thx! | 17:08 |
| rloo | vsaienk0, sambetts: any idea what the status is wrt routed networks support? (L188) | 17:08 |
| vsaienk0 | rloo: I'm still working on initial commits for networking-baremetal project | 17:10 |
| rloo | vsaienk0: ok, i'll add that to the status, thx. | 17:10 |
| jroll | routed networks support is mostly about scheduling, right? I can't remember the difference between that and "physical network awareness" | 17:10 |
| TheJulia | we have to be aware of the networks to be able to schedule on them correctly | 17:11 |
| jroll | oh and more | 17:11 |
| * jroll reads http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/pike-priorities.html#routed-networks-support | 17:11 | |
| sambetts | jroll: I think there is some other weird things there that require research but the physical awareness is a big part of it | 17:11 |
| vdrok | btw routed networks spec has merged today | 17:11 |
| jroll | sambetts: right, they're two separate priorities/subteams, that's why I ask | 17:11 |
| vsaienk0 | jroll: no not only about scheduling, we need to create a mechanism which will populate nova hypervisor (ironic node) to neutron segments mapping | 17:12 |
| rloo | vdrok: is the link to that spec, in the etherpad (subteam report par)? | 17:12 |
| jroll | vsaienk0: right | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: it is | 17:12 |
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| jroll | \o/ for merging that | 17:12 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: it is? oh, do you mean the physical network spec? | 17:13 |
| jroll | rloo: yes, I know you weren't directing the question at me but I answered it | 17:13 |
| mariojv | yeah, physnet spec was landed - i didn't see the routed nets one though ? | 17:13 |
| rloo | jroll: thx. and mariojv ++, that's what i thought we were talking about but guess not. | 17:13 |
| jroll | anything else on subteam updates? they seem legit to me | 17:14 |
| jroll | mariojv: yeah, I haven't seen a spec on that yet | 17:14 |
| * jroll waits a sec | 17:14 | |
| mariojv | cool - RFE is here, i'll put a link to that for tracking on the status page for now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1658964 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658964 in Ironic "[RFE] Implement neutron routed networks support in Ironic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:14 |
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| rloo | thx mariojv | 17:15 |
| jroll | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:15 |
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| jroll | looks like we were 1/5 last week | 17:15 |
| vdrok | I think we need to prioritize the rolling upgrades | 17:15 |
| jroll | so I suggest just leaving the same 4 there | 17:15 |
| vdrok | otherwise any patch bumping object version or rpc version breaks the grenade multinode job | 17:16 |
| vdrok | eg https://review.openstack.org/233357 | 17:16 |
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| mariojv | vdrok: i'm fine with adding rolling upgrades to that list, too - maybe at the bottom so folks review stuff that's lagging behind first? | 17:16 |
| jroll | though... did folks find blockers with those? or is it just slow review/code cycle? are the existing things there close to ready? | 17:16 |
| mariojv | maybe top is better to prevent that breakage, though | 17:16 |
| NobodyCam | ++ for rolling upgrades | 17:16 |
| jroll | vdrok: yikes | 17:17 |
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| jroll | that seems... wrong | 17:17 |
| rloo | wrt rolling upgrades. i rebased them last week, and fixed some stuff in one patch. there's *one* patch I'm not sure about. although others are welcome to review. i'd like to test this week. | 17:17 |
| vdrok | I think this includes the first patch in the chaing for rolling upgrades + adding some pins to our devstack plugin | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | That kind of does, but I'm +1 on rolling upgrades | 17:17 |
| * jroll would love a doc on how the multinode grenade works | 17:18 | |
| rloo | vdrok: will talk to you later on irc about the rolling upgrades stuff | 17:18 |
| rloo | ++ jroll. that is on my list this week to understand. | 17:18 |
| vdrok | rloo: ok sure | 17:18 |
| vdrok | basically, we need to be able to pin things | 17:18 |
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| jroll | yeah, it just seems like a compatible rpc bump should work anyway | 17:19 |
| jroll | we can discuss that later | 17:19 |
| jroll | so rolling upgrades priority 1 or "last"? | 17:19 |
| * TheJulia thinks priority 1 | 17:19 | |
| * NobodyCam would like to see 1 | 17:19 | |
| mariojv | +1 | 17:19 |
| jroll | okay | 17:19 |
| jroll | if someone could throw the gerrit link there on the whiteboard, that would be awesome | 17:20 |
| jroll | any other priority change requests or are we good? | 17:20 |
| rloo | jroll: done | 17:21 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | ty rloo | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:21 |
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| jroll | no stuck specs, discussion time | 17:21 |
| jroll | #topic CI failure rates | 17:21 |
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| jroll | this is TheJulia | 17:21 |
| jroll | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/603960/ | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | So dmitry put together a report at http://paste.openstack.org/show/603960/ that shows CI failure rates, and a major point of concern is the third party CI jobs. | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | I guess the biggest question is if anyone has any insight as to why the failure rates are so much higher, and how we can make it better? | 17:23 |
| rpioso | We've been actively working on the issue -- http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-March/005263.html | 17:23 |
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| vdrok | I think we can remove the parallel job now that we have the standalone tests? | 17:23 |
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| lucasagomes | (just a note, the UEFI job is now voting in gate) | 17:24 |
| mariojv | TheJulia: are the top 4 jobs there (starting L151) expected to have 100% failure rates? | 17:24 |
| vdrok | gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-parallel-ubuntu-xenial-nv | 17:24 |
| vdrok | or is it about the third party ci only? :) | 17:24 |
| rloo | TheJulia: I thought Dmitry said he'd get in touch with the 4rd party CI folks about their tests failing | 17:24 |
| rloo | s/4/3/ :) | 17:24 |
| jroll | mariojv: they're experimental, so probably a WIP or abandoned WIP | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | A lot of those top jobs consist of our experimental jobs. | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Some could probably be pruned | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | rloo: He indicated he was going to reach out, but I'm wondering if any of us in the larger community have any insight into the third party ci jobs failures, since the rates do see rather high across the board. If it is something we're doing, we should likely fix it :) | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | But they only get run if someone does "check experimental" | 17:25 |
| mariojv | ok cool, just wanted to be sure there's not some super serious breakage there | 17:26 |
| jroll | I think we can probably kill parallel like vdrok said. the py3 jobs need to get working. the full, I would like to keep around, but I don't have much time lately to work on it | 17:26 |
| jroll | the third party stuff, those parties will need to speak for :) | 17:26 |
| vdrok | also, I don't see the ibm ci here in this list | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | I think JayF and hurricanerix are working or will be working on the Python3 jobs. Based on owners for Pike priorities. | 17:26 |
| rloo | I think we should/could either 1. wait for dmitry to get back to find out where/what he's done and/or 2. send email to the dev list. | 17:26 |
| rajinir | A bunch of devstack changes broke our CI. Not sure about others | 17:27 |
| jroll | I'd wait for dmitry on third party stuff | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | rloo: That is reasonable, I was just kind of hoping that people might have gained some insight by looking at failed third party CI logs when doing reviews | 17:27 |
| xavierr | rajinir: ++ | 17:27 |
| rloo | TheJulia: honestly, they seem to fail so often that I don't look at them :-( | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | rloo: +1 on that. | 17:28 |
| mariojv | same rloo | 17:28 |
| milan | vdrok, maybe it means it's passing all the time (passing as in def test(self): pass) ;) | 17:28 |
| jroll | rloo: right, that's one of dmitry's goals to fix this cycle, it seems | 17:28 |
| mariojv | i basically have 0 confidence voting on a lot of driver patches because of the CI flakiness there | 17:28 |
| vdrok | milan: hopefully not :) | 17:28 |
| rloo | i think it was discussed before so i don't want to go over it now, but we need some definitive place to see the status of the 3rd party tests. that would at least give us an indication if we should look or not, to see if our patch is causing a failure. | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | Okay, well it sounds like we have work to do. Lets see what dmitry gets back from the 3rd party CI operators and go from there. | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | Thank you everyone | 17:29 |
| jroll | thanks for bringing it up, TheJulia :) | 17:29 |
| rloo | TheJulia: maybe add agenda item (again) for next week :) | 17:29 |
| mariojv | ++ | 17:29 |
| rloo | TheJulia: although dmitry might not be ready to give any update | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | rloo: excellent idea! | 17:29 |
| rloo | that'll teach him to go on PTO | 17:30 |
| jroll | rough | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | heh | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 17:30 |
| rloo | ha ha | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | :p | 17:30 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:30 |
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| jroll | anything else? | 17:30 |
| * TheJulia hears crickets | 17:30 | |
| rloo | jroll: oh, just remembered. do we have a bug triager? | 17:31 |
| jroll | rloo: not on the agenda, not my job! | 17:31 |
| jroll | :D | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | just a thank you to lucasagomes: for the red fish work | 17:31 |
| rloo | jroll: ha ha. it got deleted from the agenda :) | 17:31 |
| jroll | who wants to triage the bugs? | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, :-) cheers man | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | I have brain cells, I can go through the new bugs | 17:31 |
| jroll | thanks again to mjturek for doing it again | 17:31 |
| vdrok | I can help with bug triage this week | 17:31 |
| jroll | TheJulia: vdrok: battle | 17:31 |
| vdrok | :D | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | lol | 17:31 |
| jroll | I'll just mark both of you, thanks! | 17:31 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:32 |
| * TheJulia suddenly thinks of "The Princess Bride" | 17:32 | |
| rloo | oh, wrt the brainstorming/forum thing. i'm guessing nothing happened there? | 17:32 |
| jroll | muahaha | 17:32 |
| rloo | for the summit? | 17:32 |
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| TheJulia | rloo: nope, I believe jroll submitted the tc inspired session | 17:32 |
| rloo | i forgot when the deadline was. apr 1? or already past? | 17:32 |
| jroll | yeah, the vm/baremetal session is proposed | 17:32 |
| TheJulia | or someone did | 17:32 |
| jroll | and stig telfer proposed a "Baremetal BIOS/RAID reconfiguration according to instance" topic | 17:33 |
| mariojv | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-ironic-brainstorming | 17:33 |
| jroll | http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ for the record | 17:33 |
| mariojv | ^ there's the brainstorming etherpad, not a ton of stuff there | 17:33 |
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| jroll | rloo: april 2 | 17:33 |
| mariojv | looks like a couple ideas about ops feedback | 17:33 |
| xavierr | will you ironicers attend boston summit? | 17:33 |
| * jroll makes a todo to add these things | 17:33 | |
| TheJulia | Yeah, I had no braincells last week. | 17:33 |
| rloo | thx jroll et al! | 17:34 |
| jroll | xavierr: I know at least two people are going, maybe 3, maybe more | 17:34 |
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| * jroll counts down from 10 before closing the meeting, chirp up if you have something | 17:35 | |
| rloo | crickets? | 17:35 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 17:35:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-27-17.00.html | 17:35 |
| jroll | thanks y'all! | 17:35 |
| Michael-ZTE | 88 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-27-17.00.txt | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-03-27-17.00.log.html | 17:35 |
| mariojv | thanks all! | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | ty all | 17:35 |
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| Michael-ZTE | thanks all | 17:35 |
| xavierr | ty | 17:35 |
| TheJulia | Thank you everyone | 17:35 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack-upstream-institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 20:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-upstream-institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| jaypipes | o./ | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 20:00 |
| * diablo_rojo is back from Mexico :) | 20:01 | |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:01 |
| ildikov | bauzas: are you around too? | 20:01 |
| bauzas | yup | 20:01 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: welcome back :) | 20:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, thanks :) | 20:01 |
| * bauzas waves even if DST-impacted :) | 20:01 | |
| spotz | \o/ | 20:01 |
| ildikov | bauzas: I hear ya! | 20:01 |
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| ildikov | let's wait one more minute and then start | 20:02 |
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| spotz | We have a git section don't we? | 20:03 |
| ildikov | ok, let's get into it | 20:04 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 20:04 |
| ildikov | spotz: you mean the follow up session we talked about? | 20:04 |
| * mrhillsman being a fly on the wall | 20:04 | |
| spotz | ildikov: No during training, just contacted github to get cheat sheets for the lunch and learn, I'll ask for me if we need them for the weekend too:) | 20:05 |
| spotz | me=more | 20:05 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yes we have a section on git | 20:05 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: Ok I'll bump my request by 50? when I hear back | 20:05 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, all the sections are here: https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 20:05 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think an advanced session would be better as that lunch slot or a follow up during the week | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:06 |
| ildikov | if we do that as a lunch session during the training people's head will fall off :) | 20:06 |
| spotz | ildikov: Ok we can just send folks to the Lunch and Learn on Wednesday | 20:06 |
| ildikov | spotz: +1 | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yeah it might be good to collect all of those sessions and promote them towards the end of the training as possible next steps | 20:06 |
| ildikov | spotz: we can add material about it though and if everyone turns out to be experienced we can switch to that | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:08 |
| ildikov | spotz: jungleboyj: I'm not holding my breath though :) | 20:08 |
| spotz | heheh | 20:08 |
| jungleboyj | Probably true. | 20:09 |
| ildikov | mrhillsman: glad you joined! :) | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | None the less, information we will need for the future. | 20:09 |
| ildikov | ok, let's switch to the first topic | 20:09 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:09 |
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| ildikov | #topic Training exercises | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Training exercises (Meeting topic: openstack-upstream-institute)" | 20:09 | |
| ildikov | so we have an etherpad for that | 20:09 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises | 20:09 |
| * smcginnis sneaks in late... | 20:10 | |
| ildikov | it would be great to revitalize them as much as possible | 20:10 |
| * jungleboyj gives smcginnis the evil eye | 20:10 | |
| ildikov | smcginnis: hi, thanks for joining :) | 20:10 |
| ildikov | the plan is to try to teach the most things as part of an exercise | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | If people can generate ideas for more exercises I am willing to make the changes in the slides. | 20:11 |
| ildikov | let people find the info and figure out things for themselves | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Like that idea. | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | Keep them engaged and busy. | 20:11 |
| ildikov | also the driving force for updating the slides should be the exercises | 20:11 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, agreed :) | 20:12 |
| ildikov | in Barcelona we spent a lot of time with introductions, we should change this for Boston | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we need to reduce the content in favor of exercises and then maybe add the things we want them to learn as notes on the exercises so that we know to highlight those things as we are having students do the exercises | 20:13 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:13 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, that was pretty consistent feedback that we didn't need so much of that. | 20:14 |
| spotz | ildikov: Was there any specific feedback from Barcelona that needs to be addresses? | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Makes sense. | 20:14 |
| ildikov | spending time on the slides can be boring and people start to disengage quickly | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. | 20:14 |
| ildikov | spotz: we had too many people in the room, the intro took ages | 20:14 |
| spotz | ildikov: Students or 'instructors/helpers'? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | so my thinking is to have the trainers/coaches introduce themselves to the whole group | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 20:15 |
| jaypipes | ildikov: ++ | 20:15 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, can't have everyone introduce themselves. | 20:16 |
| spotz | I usually do a slide with the main instructors, then one with the other folks in the room with their companies and they just kind of wave when they're name is read | 20:16 |
| ildikov | and as we ask students in advance about what's their area of interest we can split them into groups before the training | 20:16 |
| ildikov | we will have round tables in the room | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | They will all get to know each other through the exercises and breaks. | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | That is a good idea. | 20:16 |
| ildikov | so we can give ten minutes to the groups to introduce themselves within those smaller groups | 20:16 |
| ildikov | mentors can check where everyone is and then move to the next thing when everyone's finished | 20:17 |
| ildikov | so people in the smaller groups have ideas on who they're sitting together with | 20:17 |
| ildikov | can come up with a team name | 20:17 |
| ildikov | etc. | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:17 |
| ildikov | what do you think? | 20:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | Sounds like a more efficient use of time to me | 20:17 |
| spotz | yeah | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | Much more effiecient. | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | More like other training sessions I have been in. | 20:18 |
| jaypipes | yup, ++ from me | 20:18 |
| ildikov | ok, cool, then I will get the intro slides updated with that | 20:19 |
| ildikov | #action Ildiko to update the Intro slides with the introduction plans | 20:19 |
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| ildikov | we have a short exercise on joining IRC | 20:20 |
| ildikov | I think we will keep that as is and do it after the intros | 20:20 |
| ildikov | if there's no objection | 20:21 |
| spotz | Sounds good | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | No objections here | 20:21 |
| ildikov | the point is to open up an extra communication channel for those who're shy to ask in front of the whole group, or speak English in written form better, etc | 20:21 |
| ildikov | #info Keep joining to IRC as a first exercise after the intros | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that is a good starting point. | 20:22 |
| spotz | ildikov: Would it be a good idea in that case to make a channel for the training or also utilize 101? | 20:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: we used #openstack-101 | 20:22 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: we will just keep that | 20:22 |
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| ildikov | #info use #openstack-101 as the IRC channel during the training | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | we had a very short intro section in Barcelona to introduce the training and OpenStack in just a few words | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | to get to a common ground | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I think we would still want that. | 20:24 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:24 |
| ildikov | after that we talked a little bit about Agile as we tried to find connection points between the daily work and the upstream/community work | 20:24 |
| ildikov | I think this one got various feedback | 20:24 |
| jaypipes | heh, I can imagine. | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | in my view it's still worth having something like this, but we can figure out something else if you all hate it | 20:25 |
| ildikov | it was a good block to get people to discuss a topic within groups | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Wonder if that could be more integrated into the small group work? | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | Don't hit them with a hammer about it but just gently tap at the idea? | 20:27 |
| ildikov | as people will sit in groups, that would be a group discussion | 20:28 |
| ildikov | I mean small group discussion | 20:28 |
| ildikov | we can open it up to the whole group if good ideas come out of in at the tables | 20:28 |
| ildikov | don't want to waste too much time with it | 20:28 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: do you think it's a bad idea overall? | 20:29 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I guess that would be a time for the small groups to get to know each other. Who is agile, who is not? | 20:29 |
| jungleboyj | What the companies are thinking. | 20:29 |
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| jaypipes | ildikov: no, just that agile can bring in the tangential discussions that can take a conversation sideways very quickly ;) | 20:30 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: my thinking with it was to find out what parts of lean/agile we're using, what not, so people can get an idea how we operate without talking about it too much | 20:30 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: oh, I see :) | 20:31 |
| diablo_rojo | We try to keep the discussions short so as to avoid that :) | 20:31 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:31 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: last time we had a few people not that familiar with Agile, so were at the basics and had a few good chats | 20:31 |
| ildikov | but I'm happy to re-think this part | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | I think a short section on that would be good. | 20:32 |
| jaypipes | ildikov: or I can stay quiet during that part :P | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | Keep it short. Get talking started in the groups. | 20:32 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: haha, you could share your views with this group at least if we keep this | 20:33 |
| spotz | poor jaypipes:) | 20:33 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: so at least we know who stands where and why you're so quiet during that part :) | 20:33 |
| jungleboyj | Did I miss that it was pick on jaypipes Day? | 20:33 |
| bauzas | man, had a network issue... | 20:34 |
| ildikov | should we vote on whether or not to keep this part? | 20:35 |
| jaypipes | :) | 20:35 |
| jaypipes | keep it, but keep it short I guess? | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | jaypipes: ++ | 20:36 |
| bauzas | we can honestly cut it | 20:36 |
| bauzas | at YVR, I saw my attendees looking at other things :p | 20:36 |
| ildikov | bauzas: it would be mostly a discussion | 20:37 |
| ildikov | bauzas: not a long presentation or anything | 20:37 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: ok, cool :) | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | I think in Paris we had a short overview at least. | 20:37 |
| bauzas | a very small one | 20:38 |
| bauzas | I was in Paris too | 20:38 |
| bauzas | but meh | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | I think I actually took the training from you bauzas :) | 20:38 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:38 |
| bauzas | I mean, we can disucss on how to work upstream vs. your team, but maybe not saying "Agile" | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | Biggest point I think is to highlight whatever corporate waterfall method they may be using is not how things get done in OpenStack. | 20:38 |
| bauzas | smcginnis: orly ? :p | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:39 |
| ildikov | bauzas: we tried to use Agile as something many people know therefore they get a basic idea of a few things | 20:39 |
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| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 | 20:39 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:39 |
| blancos | smcginnis: ++ I think it's more important that they get an idea of how things work in the community | 20:40 |
| bauzas | okay, then just saying that Agile is an example :) | 20:40 |
| ildikov | we asked them to think about what Agile methods are out and what makes sense to use in the community and what not and why | 20:40 |
| ildikov | what practices, not the whole methodology I mean | 20:41 |
| bauzas | lemme review the slides | 20:41 |
| ildikov | bauzas: that would be great, an update would surely be useful there | 20:42 |
| ildikov | so as a summary | 20:42 |
| ildikov | #info Keep the Agile part, use Agile as some sort of an example, let people discuss it. Should be a short section. | 20:42 |
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| ildikov | ok, let's move to the next section | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | 17 min left heads up | 20:43 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: tnx | 20:43 |
| ildikov | we have a section on official projects | 20:44 |
| bauzas | ++ | 20:44 |
| ildikov | we might shorten it down as people does not necessarily need to know on day one how to create a new project, etc. | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | Probably better not to tell them how to start new projects. | 20:44 |
| ildikov | if someone could look up what material we have on the web we can have an exercise that people find out what projects we have in the Big Tent | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, agreed. People do regular talks on that type of thing every summit so there isnt much need to go into detail here. | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, quick intro to the projects but not how to create one. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | even what Big Tent is and what they can find out about it in 10 minutes and then we clarify the main idea and move on | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: +1 | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: +1 | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Who wants that action? | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | I don't fully understand big tent yet. :-) | 20:46 |
| bauzas | maybe just putting them to cookiecutter and the docs ? :p | 20:47 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: then just write up the exercise in the slides and you can figure it out with your group ;) | 20:47 |
| ildikov | bauzas: lol :) | 20:47 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: :-) Sure, I can take it if you want. I will learn. | 20:47 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: cool :) | 20:48 |
| bauzas | I mean the project contributor guide | 20:48 |
| jungleboyj | Had a feeling by noting I needed to learn I would be volunteering myself. :-) | 20:48 |
| spotz | hehe | 20:48 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: cut out most of the content and start with the exercise | 20:49 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Will do. | 20:49 |
| ildikov | bauzas: got it | 20:49 |
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| bauzas | FWIW for the context https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/project-install-guide.html | 20:49 |
| ildikov | #action jungleboy looks into the Big Tent section and updates the exercise and content | 20:50 |
| jungleboyj | Will do. | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Offical Projects section actually :) | 20:50 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: Oooops :) | 20:51 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I know what she meant | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Close enough :) | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | bauzas: ah ok, I know this one | 20:51 |
| ildikov | ok, we have 9 minutes left | 20:51 |
| ildikov | let's try to deal with the Governance section too | 20:52 |
| ildikov | I have less ideas on how to keep that one interesting... | 20:52 |
| ildikov | anyone has anything in mind? | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | Do we really want to cover that at the beginning? | 20:52 |
| bauzas | yup | 20:53 |
| bauzas | it's a very important topic IMHO | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | I think its important too. The structure of the community helps you understand how it functions. | 20:53 |
| jungleboyj | bauzas: I suppose that is true. Keep it short. | 20:53 |
| spotz | Go over high lights, code of conduct, etc | 20:53 |
| bauzas | jungleboyj: "short" can be 20 mins | 20:53 |
| bauzas | not less | 20:54 |
| bauzas | depending on what you wanna talk of course | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | bauzas: It is important to understand the role of TC and UC. How people are elected, etc. | 20:54 |
| bauzas | but honestly, I'd prefer to see more time for that than Agile for example :p | 20:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Looking at the slides there isn't any info about the AUC's. Also..not sure that APC is a real thing- someone correct me if I am wrong. | 20:54 |
| diablo_rojo | bauzas, +1 | 20:55 |
| jungleboyj | bauzas: Ok. You volunteering? | 20:55 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:55 |
| bauzas | APC is a thing for PTL elections | 20:55 |
| ildikov | could we somehow get the teams structured in a way to help understanding the community structure? | 20:55 |
| ildikov | I mean get a PTL for each group, etc. | 20:56 |
| diablo_rojo | bauzas, huh, okay. Doesnt sound any different than ATC | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: That's not a bad idea. Do a little PTL election for each group? | 20:56 |
| bauzas | jungleboyj: we already have slides describing that | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Would it be silly to select a PTL, a core and use that as an example to work through the process? | 20:56 |
| spotz | ildikov: I'm sure there will be PTLs at summit, but they may not be coming early enough to be at the training | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: With people at the table ? | 20:56 |
| bauzas | we did that for the lego playroles | 20:56 |
| blancos | jungleboyj: I think that's a good idea. It makes the topic more interesting, I think | 20:56 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, that would be fun | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Are you going to bring a few cases of legos? :) | 20:57 |
| bauzas | one team was the upstream one, electing a PTL and cores | 20:57 |
| ildikov | I meant the election | 20:57 |
| bauzas | not saying we should resurrect the lego playgame | 20:57 |
| bauzas | just explaining that presenting it in a roleplay is a good idea | 20:57 |
| ildikov | we can bring parts back of the lego game | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds like something to consider though? | 20:58 |
| ildikov | but in a less concentrated way | 20:58 |
| smcginnis | bauzas: It was entertaining, but probably not worth the hassle. | 20:58 |
| bauzas | smcginnis: agreed | 20:58 |
| ildikov | so take some parts and build it up during the 1.5 days | 20:58 |
| bauzas | taking 2 important hours off your agenda | 20:58 |
| ildikov | bauzas: +1 | 20:58 |
| ildikov | ok, we need to wrap up | 20:58 |
| ildikov | let's think about the governance part a bit more and start with that next week | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | I think I did the Release Cycle part in BCN. I can look through that. | 20:59 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:59 |
| ildikov | thanks | 20:59 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: No problem. | 20:59 |
| ildikov | let's try to finish the common parts next week and get to the tools and deep dives the week after the latest | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | I made some updates to the events section removing mentions of the old format and focusing on the new. | 21:00 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 21:00 |
| ildikov | please do reviews and drop ideas to either the etherpad or Gerrit | 21:00 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1, thanks | 21:00 |
| ildikov | thanks everyone for today! | 21:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Times up | 21:00 |
| ildikov | good progress | 21:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Good meeting. Thanks! | 21:00 |
| ildikov | see you next week the latest! :) | 21:00 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, Agreed :) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 21:00:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-27-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-27-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-03-27-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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| mlavalle | ildikov: deep dives meaning projects deep dives? | 21:01 |
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| ildikov | mlavalle: let's switch to #openstack-upstream-institute | 21:01 |
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