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gcb#startmeeting oslo14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot,crushil, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek14:00
jungleboyjo/14:01
kgiustio/14:01
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shuyingy_o/14:03
crushil\o14:03
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lhx_o/14:05
kgiustiseems as if gcb may be having connection issues.14:08
jungleboyj:-(14:08
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kgiustiHere in the states people may be taking today off as a holiday.14:09
kgiustiI suspect it will be a quick meeting. :)14:09
kgiustiShould I start it on behalf of gcb?14:10
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kgiustiah!  Hi gcb!14:11
gcbhi , I'm back14:11
gcbsorry for network issue, I connect through my iphone now14:11
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gcbwhat's going on now14:12
gcb?14:12
kgiustiWe were just going to start before you came back14:12
kgiustiSo take it from the Red Flags topic14:13
gcbthanks14:13
gcb#link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo14:14
gcbwe need some project to fix potential unit test failure  due to oslo.config 4.014:14
gcbmore details please see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115511.html14:15
gcbam I missing other issues ?14:15
jungleboyjNone from Cinder.  Thanks for helping us get things fixed last week.14:16
gcbjungleboyj, thanks14:17
gcbcourtesy ping  again for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot,crushil, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek14:17
gcbI'm not sure the message was sent lol14:18
* bnemec got it :-)14:18
crushilgcb, Can you please remove rloo from the list?14:18
crushilI'm the ironic liason. rloo was the ironic liason. :)14:19
gcbcrushil, sure will do that14:19
kgiustigcb: a lot of folks may be on holiday today (Easter Monday)14:20
gcbcrushil,  I need your help about http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-ironic-py27-with-oslo-master/17a924e/testr_results.html.gz14:20
gcbkgiusti,  good to know that, thanks14:20
crushilgcb, Sure. Let me look into that14:21
gcbcrushil, thanks14:21
gcbany other red flags ?14:21
amrithseems like we have network partitions14:21
amrithdid you see anything that I said gcb?14:22
gcbamrith, just two sentence above14:22
amrithgcb, no red-flags from trove14:22
gcbamrith, thanks , I lost my connection once I started the meeting14:22
shuyingy_no red-flags from sahara too14:23
shuyingy_\o/14:23
gcbshuyingy_, ack, thanks14:23
gcbokay, let's move on14:23
gcb#topic Releases for Pike14:23
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lhx_no red-flags from Telemetry14:24
gcblhx_, ack14:24
gcb#link https://review.openstack.org/457139 we just merged this today14:24
gcbanyone want to release more ?14:24
gcbwe hold oslo.config 4.0 before we fix  failures detected by periodic jobs, we really don't like to break something lol14:25
gcb#Stuck Reviews14:26
gcb#topic Stuck Reviews14:26
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gcbAny review to raise ?14:27
gcb#topic Open discussion14:28
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gcbplease vote for TC candidates  before April 2114:29
ianychoio/ - yep  for TC voting :)14:30
jungleboyjgcb:  Ah, thanks.  Good reminder!14:30
gcbhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115483.html14:31
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gcband TC vision feedback in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262/14:32
lhx__will do14:32
gcbthat's all I can recall :-)14:32
gcbAny other things ?14:32
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ianychoiIt is the 1st time for me to attend oslo IRC meeting. Thanks a lot, gcb :)14:33
ianychoiOne question is that oslo.i18n is also being discussed in here?14:33
gcbianychoi,  welcome, we just met at Atlanta, yeah, oslo.i18n is a part of Oslo14:34
jungleboyjianychoi:  Welcome.  Just seeing you everywhere now.  :-)14:34
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gcbianychoi, this is our weekly meeting, you can discuss oslo.i18n at #openstack-oslo anytime :-)14:35
ianychoiYep gcb we met in Atlanta and thanks a lot for welcome - gcb and jungleboyj :)14:35
jungleboyjianychoi:  Was good to meet you.14:36
ianychoiI just want to see which things in oslo.i18n will be changed after log translation removal support: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-March/012902.html14:36
ianychoiThat's just the thing I want to share to oslo team :)14:37
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gcbianychoi,  there is a change in  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/  as I know14:38
gcbmaybe we need remove  _L* functions in the future14:39
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gcband Oslo began to accept log translation removal patches14:39
jungleboyjCinder has removed log translations.  *sadness*  Did so much work to get those in.14:40
ianychoiYep - I even contacted to IBM - who drove log translation support initially but IBM said that they would not have enough time to support log translations.14:41
ianychoiUnfortunately, log translation seems to be less attractive now14:42
jungleboyjianychoi:  Yeah, don't get me started there.14:42
smcginnisFeedback was pretty strong from operators that they did not want log translations though.14:42
gcbkeeping  logs as them in code is easy to search14:42
ianychoismcginnis, right. I am also open to collect more feedback during Boston Summit :)14:43
smcginnis+114:43
ianychoiAnyway, good news that translate.openstack.org has translation memory - all previous log translations are stored in translation memory14:43
ianychoiInfra team helps to preserve the translation memory with backups  :)14:44
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gcbokay, If we have no other item to discuss ,we can call it a meeting today, thanks everyone for showing up14:48
gcb#endmeeting14:50
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Apr 17 14:50:05 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:50
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-17-14.00.html14:50
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-17-14.00.txt14:50
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-17-14.00.log.html14:50
jungleboyjThank you!14:50
ianychoiThank you!14:51
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d0ugal#startmeeting Mistral15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 15:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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d0ugalHey all, who is here for the Mistral meeting?15:00
d0ugalrakhmerov was unable to make it today, so you are stuck with me ;)15:01
sharathi15:02
thrasho/15:02
rbradyhello!15:02
apetricho/15:02
d0ugalyay :)15:03
d0ugalokay15:03
d0ugal#topic Review Action Items15:04
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d0ugal1. mgershen: create a BP about "on-error" semantics15:04
d0ugalThat is the only action item, and since mgershen isn't here - I'll just re-add it for next week to make sure it isn't forgotten.15:04
d0ugal#action mgershen: create a BP about "on-error" semantics15:05
d0ugalI see that was actually copied from the previous week last time too15:05
d0ugalso I'll try and ping people this week so that doesn't happen again - we can probably drop it if it comes up again next week.15:05
d0ugal#topic Current Status (by team members)15:06
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d0ugalPlease share your statuses.15:06
d0ugalI am working towards moving the OpenStack actions to mistral-extra. Now we have a mistral-lib release that is making things much easier - it is progressing slowly.15:07
rbradymostly working on other stuff last week.  this week looking at prepping for boston and working on a bug for openstack-actions (will likely coordinate with d0ugal)15:08
thrashI am almost done writing up an email outlining the changes I've proposed to the gate jobs. Planning to begin some work on the secure secrets feature.15:08
d0ugalrbrady: oh, which bug is that? :)15:08
sharati am working on dashboard improvements and keystoneclient migration15:08
d0ugalthrash: great, thanks for writing up - hopefully I'll be able to understand it more!15:09
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rbradyd0ugal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/164039415:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1640394 in Mistral "Can't pass kwargs to openstack clients" [High,New] - Assigned to Ryan Brady (rbrady)15:10
d0ugalsharat: do you have some dashboard patches that need reviews?15:10
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/446945/15:11
apetrichI'm removing the mistral dependency from tripleo-common was able to do a successful deploy with and using a patched mistral-lib and mistral15:11
d0ugalrbrady: oh yeah, I remember that one. I think it could be quite tricky.15:11
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/454156/15:11
d0ugalor, at least, I don't know how to solve it :)15:11
rbradyd0ugal: +1.  sounds fun :)15:12
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/455275/15:12
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/453656/15:12
d0ugalsharat: cool, thanks - we really need more reviews on the dashboard code. Unfortunately I have never even used it :/15:12
d0ugalapetrich: great.15:12
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/452066/15:12
sharathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/453573/15:13
sharatd0ugal, this is it for now15:13
d0ugalsharat: lots of patches :) I'll try and take a look, but I'm not sure I'll have time this week.15:15
d0ugalOkay, moving on...15:15
sharatd0ugal, sure.. take ur time :)15:15
d0ugal#topic Pike 215:15
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d0ugalI just want to touch on this quickly.15:16
d0ugalPike 1 was released last week \o/ - so we are now working towards Pike 2, which is released June 5th - 9th. So we have just under 2 months.15:16
d0ugalI know that rakhmerov has been doing some planning to see what we should target for Pike 215:17
d0ugalThis is what we have so far - https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/pike-215:17
d0ugalIt looks like Renat is going to be very busy :)15:17
d0ugalCan everyone take a look at that and see if what they are working on is missing? and check anything that is assigned to them?15:18
d0ugalthrash: we need to add your spec at least.15:18
d0ugal(assuming you are targetting p-2)15:18
thrashd0ugal: ack15:18
d0ugalActually, it is there.15:19
d0ugalIt just has no Assignee, I searched for your name.15:19
d0ugalI don't have permissions to edit this - so if you spot anything, ask rakhmerov to update it :)15:19
d0ugal#action Team to review pike-2 bugs and blueprints - checking everything is there and looks correct15:20
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d0ugalMoving on...15:21
d0ugal#topic Open Discussion15:21
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d0ugalThat is most of what I have today.15:21
d0ugalDoes anyone have anything they would like to discuss?15:21
sharatnothing from my side :)15:23
rbradyhow about Boston?15:23
d0ugalOne idea I'd like to share, when I was chatting earlier I came up with this idea: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-tasks-branch15:23
d0ugalrbrady: sure, we can talk about that - I don't know much about it.15:23
d0ugalWho is planning on going to the Boston summit?15:24
thrashI will be there.15:24
sharatmy lightning talk has been accepted on meteos15:25
rbradyThere is supposed to be a Mistral Onboarding event there and I was wondering if the mistral community had any ideas on how that should be executed15:25
sharatnot sure if I will make it or somebody else is presenting15:25
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d0ugalrbrady: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18708/mistral-project-onboarding?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fboston-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3Dmistral%23eventid%3D1870815:26
rbradysharat: meteos on its own or integration with mistral?15:26
d0ugalwoah, that is quite a link.15:26
d0ugalsharat: congrats on being accepted!15:26
sharatrbrady, meteos architecture and overview15:26
d0ugalrbrady, thrash - do we know anyone else that is going? is toure?15:26
rbradyd0ugal: read the overview, thought it might be a good idea to organize a bit more15:27
rbradyd0ugal: I don't think toure is going, but I will ask15:27
sharatd0ugal, thanks.. session was proposed but only lightning talk was accepted15:27
d0ugalrbrady: it sounds like maybe you and thrash could run the onboarding ;)15:27
d0ugalbut yeah, it isn't very clear how it will work - maybe you can just hang out in the room and help people go through the tutorial and/or answer questions?15:28
d0ugalI can always try and be available on IRC if that helps at all15:28
rbradyd0ugal: thanks15:28
thrashd0ugal: we are. :) Anyone else that will be there is welcome to join us.15:29
d0ugalrbrady, thrash - shall I add an action for you to both to look into what is needed? :)15:29
thrashd0ugal: sure.15:29
rbradyd0ugal: ack15:29
d0ugal#action rbrady and thrash to find out what is needed for running the mistral onboarding session in Boston15:29
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d0ugalOkay, anyone got anything else?15:31
d0ugalif not, I'll wait a minute or two and then we can all be released15:31
rbradynothing else from me15:32
d0ugalOkay, thanks everyone for coming!15:33
sharatthank u :)15:33
d0ugalI wont be around next week, but hopefully rakhmerov will be around.15:33
d0ugalo/15:34
d0ugal#endmeeting15:34
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ijw#startmeeting networking-vpp16:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 16:04:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:04
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ijwAnyone about?16:04
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ijw#info Release targetted for tomorrow along with VPP 17.04, including resync, L3 and LISP (VXLAN) GPE.16:21
ijw#endmeeting16:21
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 17:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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NobodyCamo/17:00
jlvillalo/17:00
crushil\o17:00
jrollanyone around?17:00
mjtureko/17:00
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jrollok, let's roll17:00
jroll#topic announcements17:01
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jrollapparently mitaka EOL is this week17:01
rajiniro/17:01
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sauloaislano/17:01
rlooo/17:01
jrolllooks like nothing to merge there, except a devstack patch17:01
jrollwhich isn't necessary at EOL17:01
jroll:D17:01
jrollany other announcements?17:01
rloojroll: next week meetup17:02
jrollah yes!17:02
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jrolloh and I have an announcement I forgot17:02
jrollbut first, meetup link17:02
jrollwe're having a voip meetup april 25, details here:17:03
jroll#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115488.html17:03
jrolland then my thing17:03
jrollso uh, my employment situation is changing17:03
jrollI haven't decided on a new thing yet17:03
jrollmay or may not end up working on ironic or openstack in general17:03
jrollbut I'm job hunting for the next few weeks, so don't expect much from me here :(17:04
jrollI will be around IRC, though, happy to help out if anyone needs anything17:04
jlvillalBest of luck jroll. That sucks :(17:04
jrolllife moves on, I'll be okay :)17:04
jrollanything else?17:04
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NobodyCamBest wishes jroll17:05
jroll<317:05
rloojroll: good luck, i have no doubt that you'll do something great. /me hopes you stay in openstack though, for selfish reasons :)17:05
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jrollheh, thanks17:05
jroll#topic subteam status reports17:05
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* jroll moves on, condolences can be elsewhere :P17:06
jrollso these are here:17:06
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:06
joannajroll: good luck!17:06
jrollstarting at line 7917:06
* jroll hasn't been working upstream for about 2 weeks so has no idea what is updated and what is not17:06
rloooh, give me 5 minutes and i'll update the bugs stats...17:06
* JayF == jroll re: job situation17:07
jrollrloo: wanna just update after the meeting before rama_y sends the report?17:07
rloojroll: ah, yeah, will do that instead.17:07
jrollI see lots of april 10 updates17:07
* jroll has no questions here, and isn't sure people are around to answer very many questions anyway17:09
rloovsaienk0: i saw a WIP patch for changing grenade to only upgrade conductor, how is that going?17:09
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rloojroll: wrt xproject nova, we can delete that?17:12
rloojroll: nova feature freeze was last week right?17:12
jrollrloo: done :P17:12
jrollI even looked for it and didn't see it17:12
jrollyeah, spec freeze, not feature17:12
rloojroll: thx. right, sorry for starting a rumour :)17:12
jrollheh17:13
jrollanything else?17:13
rloowrt SNMP, is someone looking into it?17:13
rloogate broken17:13
rloohmm, the fix has merged. is it still broken? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456476/17:14
rlooL301 for those that are following17:14
jrollI asked in channel a few minutes ago17:15
jrollhttp://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?searchProject=ironic17:15
jrolllooks like not everything failing right now17:15
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jrollshall we move on?17:17
rloo++17:17
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jroll#topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week17:17
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jrolllike I said, haven't been around much for 2 weeks, no clue what's going on17:17
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jrollany problem with leaving these as-is?17:17
rlooit doesn't seem to matter, who is around to do any work? (ok, i'll be more positive tomorrow)17:18
jroll>.>17:18
jrollok, let's leave it17:18
jroll#topic open discussion17:18
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jrollanything else?17:18
rloojroll: well, just need to update it a bit but i can do that.17:18
jrollrloo: okay cool, thanks17:19
wanyenjroll, I have questions regarding resource provider/class & ironic17:19
rloojroll: ok, updated to reflect this week's stuff17:19
jrollwanyen: sure, go ahead and ask17:19
wanyenwill ironic uses standard resource classes17:20
jrollnot this cycle, no17:20
jrollthat's in the specs that have been written about this17:20
wanyenyes.  what about queens?17:20
jrollI'm not sure, we haven't discussed it17:20
jrollI think long term, we would like to be able to use them17:21
wanyenok.  My question is how inspection can populate teh discoveredinfo into resource classes?17:21
jrollwe haven't discussed that, either. I think it will need to be a deployer-specific inspection rule17:21
wanyenI am not very comforatble about Ironic ust use one single custom rsc class.  I am not sure that's teh plan for queens.17:22
JayFit's per-node, not "a single custom rsc class"17:23
JayFyou could set all your nodes to a separate resource class if you wanted.17:23
wanyenso each node has one single custom rsc class?17:23
jrollwanyen: I'm not sure what you mean about the plan for queens - we don't have a specific plan for queens17:23
jrollyes...17:23
jrollhave you read the specs about this?17:23
wanyenyes, I have read a few specs about rsc class and make cutom rsc class for scheduling, etc17:24
jrollokay, those mention the resource class is per-node17:25
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wanyenI am hopng in Queens , ironic can use standard rsc class and inspection can populate the discovered info into standard rsc classes.17:25
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jrollI hope so too - when those discussions arise, please contribute to them. you might even start this discussion :)17:25
wanyenYes. I would like to participate these discussion.17:26
jrollgreat!17:26
jrollanything else for open discussion?17:27
wanyenIt seems to me that we can do something in get_discovery().17:27
jrollmaybe, I don't know inspector enough to say how we would do it17:28
wanyenget_discovery can return the correct standard rsc classes inventory to nova17:28
jrollplease do send an email to the mailing list if you want to discuss the long term plans. nova team will need to discuss as well.17:28
wanyenjroll, when will ironic discuss these topics: rsc provider, rsc classes, inspection,e tc?17:29
jrollwanyen: I can't predict the future. I don't know. probably when someone sends an email to the mailing list about it.17:30
jrollright now we've been focusing on pike17:30
wanyenI meant get_inventory not get_discovery in the previous msg17:30
jrollqueens planning will probably start shortly before the PTG17:30
wanyenjroll, ok.   The reason taht I am looking into these is because it has impact on oob inspection spec.17:31
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jrollwanyen: sure17:32
jrollI left a comment on there with what I think the best way forward is17:32
jroll"The fastest way to get my +2 on this spec would be to just drop the non-boolean capabilities from this spec, though I've left comments on a few about moving them or making them boolean. :)"17:32
jrollI think we should have a larger discussion about the non-boolean capabilities and how they fit into the bigger picture17:33
wanyenjroll, Nisha and myself would like to add more things to discover for inspections.  Some of them are quantative proerties.17:33
jrollbut I haven't had time to start that conversation17:33
jrollif you want to start that conversation, it needs to start on the mailing list17:34
wanyenjroll, ok.17:34
jrollthanks17:35
jrollanything else?17:35
wanyenjroll, the fundamental concern that I have is that I am not sure how inspection can populate custom rsc classes but I think it's easier to populate the standard rsc classes.17:36
jrollwanyen: sure. that isn't a concern I can address in this meeting.17:36
jrollwanyen: first we need to agree that ironic can or should use standard resource classes17:36
rlooi think we/you should take this offline now17:36
jrollyes, please17:36
wanyenjroll, ok. so much for this discussion today. Thanks!17:37
jrollyou're welcome17:37
jrollthanks for coming, y'all17:37
jroll#endmeeting17:37
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ildikov#startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 20:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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vkmco/20:00
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spotz\o/20:01
jungleboyjo/20:01
ildikovhi all :)20:02
jungleboyjHappy Monday.20:02
ildikovlet's wait a quick minute to see if we get more people20:03
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marsto/20:03
marstsorry for being late20:03
ildikovmarst: all good, we're just warming up :)20:04
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jaypipeshola20:04
ildikovso the agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings20:04
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ildikov#topic Announcements20:04
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ildikovso the announcement this week is that we have the Summit only three weeks from now20:05
spotzwoot!20:05
vkmcD:20:05
ildikovplease keep on looking into the content and upload more updates or just get familiar with what we have especially if you're available to join us in the classroom in Boston20:06
jungleboyjCan't believe it is coming so quickly.20:06
ildikovspotz: sorry to freak you out :/ :)20:06
* jaypipes been working on my slides for presentations...20:06
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ildikovjaypipes: you're so early with that :)20:06
jaypipesheh, I need to be..20:07
ildikovjaypipes: all good, I just envy you :)20:07
spotzI need to do my COA panel, but lunch and learn is pretty much done20:07
* jungleboyj is happy to have 2 out of 3 presos mostly done.20:07
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jungleboyjI just pushed up changes for the release-cycle slides today.20:07
ildikovas I don't have more announcements for today let's move on20:07
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ildikov#topic Open Reviews20:08
jaypipesildikov: do we have any notes anywhere on which trainers/helpers will talk about various things?20:08
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ildikovjaypipes: not yet20:08
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jaypipesildikov: k. for instance, if we were to volunteer to talk about a certain area, would that help or hinder you?20:08
ildikovjaypipes: we can either add it to the wiki or maybe an etherpad would be easier to sign up20:08
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ildikovjaypipes: so in Barcelona we had several speakers20:09
jaypipesildikov: whatever you prefer is cool by me :)20:09
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ildikovjaypipes: which mostly worked out well except that not everyone was familiar with the slide content, which is a bit unfortunate20:09
jungleboyjI am happy to talk about the slides I have updated.20:10
jaypipesildikov: k. doing reviews on the slides should help me.20:10
jungleboyjI also got flights set up so I will be there, hopefully, by 1 on Saturday.  :-)20:10
ildikovjaypipes: jungleboyj: I will create an etherpad with the sections we have and send it out to the ML so people can sign up20:10
jaypipescoolio.20:10
spotzYeah I can do accounts and git/gerrit20:10
jungleboyjildikov: ++20:10
ildikovjungleboyj: awesome, tnx for the update20:11
jungleboyjMore to come.20:11
ildikovopen reviews are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides20:11
jungleboyjOne other quick thing before we dig into reviews ...20:11
ildikovplease take a look at them, many of these are in pretty good shape and close to be ready to get merged20:11
jungleboyjI am going to be presenting a quick overview of the content we have right now to the team here at Lenovo.  Many of them are at the level of our students.  Going to take their input and also propose improvements based on that.20:12
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ildikovJenkins does the publishing, so you can check the rendered version by clicking on the job and then choose upstream-training20:12
jaypipesjungleboyj: nice.20:12
jungleboyjjaypipes:  Yeah, obviously can't present all the content, but going to do an overview and get input.20:13
ildikovyou will be redirected to the website and can find the updated version of the section the review is for at the bottom of the page20:13
jungleboyjildikov: Nice, I didn't know that.20:13
ildikovjungleboyj: sounds good, thanks!20:13
marstildikov: can you share the link?20:14
ildikovdoes anyone has anything to add/discuss here about the open reviews?20:14
ildikovmarst: to the published build?20:15
marstyes. if possible20:15
spotzI just reviewed where I hadn't20:15
jungleboyjSame here.20:15
ildikovmarst: that's per review20:15
ildikovmarst: so you need to click on "gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild" under Jenkins check on the open review20:15
jungleboyjmarst:  I.E. http://docs-draft.openstack.org/33/457333/1/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/0b19abd//publish-docs/upstream-training/20:16
marstildikov: got it, thanks!20:16
jungleboyjThat is nice.20:16
ildikovchecking the rendered version makes it easier to check the links embedded in the slides20:16
ildikovyou can also switch to presenter mode by using the letter "c" on your keyboard20:17
marstjungleboyj: thank you!20:17
ildikovso you can check the notes in the slides as well20:17
ildikovok, I think we an move on20:17
ildikov#topic Topics20:18
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ildikovwe still have a bunch of topics/sections we haven't discussed here20:18
ildikovthe first is Jenkins20:18
jungleboyjThis should be fun.  ;-)20:18
ildikov#link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-jenkins.html#120:18
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ildikovso here I think we could talk about Zuul rather than Jenkins20:19
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ildikovand just show people how they can get to the logs20:20
jungleboyjildikov:  That makes sense.20:20
ildikovand maybe describe the "recheck" mechanism20:20
ildikovany other comments to the section?20:21
ildikovor the ideas I listed? :)20:21
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jungleboyjWhat are you thinking to cover on Zuul?20:22
ildikovmainly just the basic idea behind it and the dashboard20:22
clarkbexplaining gating is probably worthwhile20:22
jungleboyjCool.  Yeah, there is useful stuff there so that is good.20:22
ildikovso some info people can find on http://status.openstack.org/zuul/20:23
ildikovclarkb: you mean like check and gate queues for instance?20:23
jungleboyjclarkb:  Yeah, I think describing check vs gate is more useful than what we have righ tnow.20:23
ildikovclarkb: we are trying to figure out what's the necessary info someone would need on day one20:23
clarkbyup20:24
clarkbsince its important to understanding how to get your code to merge20:24
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jungleboyjclarkb  ++20:24
ildikovclarkb: sounds good, thanks for the heads up20:24
ildikovso as a summary we want to cover basics of gating, dashboard and logs here20:25
jungleboyjSounds good to me.20:25
ildikovcoolio20:25
ildikovis there anyone, who would like to take this one?20:25
jungleboyjI think we need to change the topic then.20:25
ildikovjungleboyj: yep, we need to do that too20:26
jungleboyjI can take it if clarkb doesn't want to.20:26
clarkboh ya sorry I wasn't volunteering, just providing feedback/input :)20:27
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jungleboyjOk.  I will take it.  :-)20:27
ildikovjungleboyj: cool, tnx :)20:27
jungleboyjildikov:  Welcome.20:27
ildikov#action jungleboyj to rename and update the Jenkins section20:28
ildikovif nothing else the next one is the Metrics section20:28
ildikov#link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-metrics.html#120:28
ildikovI think we couldn't get there in Barcelona to talk about this one20:29
ildikovthe intention behind this was to show Stackalytics and get people to use it for a good purpose rather than just gaming the numbers and compete20:29
ildikovas we have a Forum session now whether or not to kill Stackalytics, I wonder how much we want to keep it?20:30
jungleboyjThey are talking about Killing Stackalytics!?!20:31
ildikovjungleboyj: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/7820:31
ildikovregardless of the tool, what's the general feeling about this section?20:32
jungleboyjWow.  Interesting.20:32
jungleboyjAh, maybe if we are looking to cut content this is a good place to start then?20:33
marstI'd skip it completely or mention it only briely.20:33
ildikovjungleboyj: it can be20:33
marst*briefly20:33
ildikovwho else is on the side of skipping it?20:34
ildikovjaypipes: vkmc: mlavalle: spotz: skelso: ^^20:34
jungleboyjI am ok with skipping it.  Wonder if it would be better to put something on how to find the PTL and Cores or a project and what that means.20:35
mlavalleagree, we csn cut it, not esential for newbies20:35
jaypipesildikov: yeah, I don't really care about stackalytics numbers, frankly.20:35
spotzI don't know but my stackalytics is wrong:)20:35
jungleboyjA couple of slides on core team organization.20:35
jaypipesildikov: I don't use it when evaluating contributions.20:35
ildikovjaypipes: I think one of the best things about it that it shows when someone is active so you can guess the time zone they are in20:35
jungleboyj:-)20:36
ildikovjaypipes: the other intention is to tell people it's not a numbers contest, so try to find the useful info like what areas people are active in and when, etc.20:36
ildikovspotz: :)20:36
ildikovjungleboyj: we can do the core team stuff with Gerrit for instance20:37
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ildikovjungleboyj: like seeing who can approve your patch20:37
ildikovjungleboyj: can be too much info though20:37
jaypipesildikov: sure, that all makes sense.20:37
jungleboyjildikov: Ah, good thought.  I will maybe look at those slides and see if there is a good place to slip that in.20:38
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ildikovjungleboyj: sounds good20:38
ildikovok, so we're not that much in love with the metrics part in general20:38
skelsoI do think we need to help the students explain how they should be measured to their managers back home. It's always a question they'll have to answer..."how do I know you're generating value for me?"20:39
skelsoBut I20:39
skelso'm not sure how to say that other than "Don't go overboard with Stackalytics"20:39
ildikovskelso: good point, I had managers earlier who used those metrics in a pretty bad way... :(20:40
jungleboyjStackalytics for good, not evil!20:40
ildikovjungleboyj: the toughest one!20:41
ildikovok, I can take this one to get updated with what skelso mentioned and ensure that it's a short one20:41
skelsoYeah, it's the natural tendency, I think. Time is short, work is impersonal, and measurements are what matter. This kind of blends in with the "why contribute" teaching, I feel like.20:41
ildikov#action ildikov to update the Metrics section20:42
ildikovskelso: +120:42
jungleboyjThanks for taking it ildikov .20:42
ildikovjungleboyj: :)20:42
ildikovnext one is Guide to SetUp and Push First Patch20:43
ildikov#link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-setup-and-first-patch.html#120:43
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ildikovI'm slightly unsure at this point how many places we have information that overlaps with this section20:44
spotzlooks pretty good, I do a few more steps but hits the basics20:44
ildikovspotz: what would you add there?20:45
spotzildikov: I check out and pull master, then checkout my branch and then rebase before git review20:45
jungleboyjI don't know that there is much that overlaps there.  I will find out more when I go through all the slides.20:45
spotzalso some projects testing is with tox20:46
jungleboyjspotz:  Oh yeah, that is a new change20:46
ildikovspotz: you don't necessarily want to rebase your branch every time20:46
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jungleboyjWe should fix that.20:46
spotzildikov: It's my flow:)20:47
jungleboyjYeah, the unit tests page should change to tox -e py27,py35,pep820:47
ildikovyep, tox would be needed20:47
jungleboyjIs there anyone that still uses run_tests ?20:47
ildikovspotz: I do that many times too, but TBH rebase should be a separate patch set20:47
spotznone of the projects I've contributed to:)20:47
ildikovspotz: so you can follow the changes from one patch set to the other20:47
spotzildikov: good to know:)20:48
ildikovspotz: for smaller changes it doesn't matter that much, but for bigger ones when you compare for instance the latest patch set and the previous one to see whether things got fixed, etc it can drive you crazy if there was also a rebase20:49
ildikovok, so basically beyond tox we are mostly ok with this one, right?20:49
jungleboyjildikov:  Yes!  That drives me nuts!20:49
spotzI do little changes:)20:49
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spotzYes20:49
jungleboyjildikov:  Yes.20:50
jungleboyjAnd we need to educate spotz  on workflow.  ;-)20:50
ildikovany of you want to quick fix tox?20:50
ildikovjungleboyj: :)20:50
jungleboyjildikov:  Is that a hint to me?20:51
jungleboyjI can.20:51
spotzjungleboyj: Hey my work flow was given to me by the barbican folks!20:51
jungleboyjspotz: Oh, that explains it.  ;-)20:51
ildikovspotz: then we need to educate them too :)20:51
spotzbah!20:51
ildikovjungleboyj: tnx for taking the task :)20:51
mlavallelol20:51
ildikov#action jungleboyj to update first patch slide with running tests with tox20:52
jungleboyjildikov: Oh did I?  You are welcome.  :-p20:52
spotzhehehe20:52
ildikovI though the 'I can" indicates that you did :)20:52
ildikovjungleboyj: ^20:52
jungleboyjildikov:  I am just teasing you.  I will take it.20:53
ildikovjungleboyj: lol, tnx :)20:53
ildikovthe last one for today quickly is Using Sandbox for Practice20:53
ildikov#link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-using-sandbox.html#120:53
ildikovso I think it's waaaay too long and we will get people braindead if we want to go through this as is20:54
ildikovI wonder what others' view on this one is :)20:54
ildikovalso, we have 5 minutes left20:55
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jungleboyjYikes.20:55
jungleboyjSo, in barcelona, what people really wanted to see was how to make a change in devstack and test it.20:56
ildikovso we can have this as homework to think about along with the Closing Exercise one20:56
jungleboyjThat was at least what my group was looking for.20:56
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ildikovI think we should keep the material for the whole workflow, but not as a section for the meeting but more for use offline20:57
ildikovjungleboyj: +120:57
jungleboyjildikov:  Agreed but we have covered a lot of this material in earlier slides.20:57
ildikovand we should go into the deep dives and figure out how to include some of the steps of this one into that part20:57
jungleboyjildikov:  ++20:57
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ildikovjungleboyj: that's the other part, so it's a good summary but I wouldn't use it during the training20:58
jungleboyjildikov:  Agreed.20:58
ildikovok, we can check on these next week at the beginning of the meeting20:58
ildikovlet's jump to the last item for today as a quick heads up20:59
jungleboyjLet me think about what to do with this as I am working through other things.20:59
spotzLinks to further education:)20:59
ildikov#topic Projects we need representation20:59
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ildikovjungleboyj: sounds good20:59
ildikovso on the etherpad you can see the projects we need mentors/coaches from20:59
ildikovI will add this to the wiki and see what we have coverage for already21:00
ildikovand we can work on finding people for the rest in the upcoming three weeks21:00
jungleboyjWe are good on Cinder.21:00
ildikovand with this we're out of time for today21:00
ildikovthanks everyone!21:00
jungleboyjI will reach out to Manila and Swift in this week's meetings.21:00
marstildikov: thank you!21:01
ildikovlet's catch up on the channel if there's anything more for today21:01
ildikov#endmeeting21:01
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skelsoBye!21:01
jungleboyjThanks!21:01
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