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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 24 14:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:01 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:01 |
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| gcb | who are around ? | 14:03 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 14:03 |
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| gcb | rpodolyaka, welcome, let's wait others online :-) | 14:03 |
| crushil | \o | 14:04 |
| gcb | hi crushil | 14:04 |
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| kgiusti | o- (partially, in meeting in meat-space ATM...) | 14:05 |
| gcb | okay , let's move on | 14:05 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:05 |
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| lhx_ | o/ | 14:05 |
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| gcb | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:06 |
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| gcb | there is some errors due to oslo.config 4.0 , I think we have fixed in some projects and have patch for others | 14:07 |
| gcb | we have releases this week in https://review.openstack.org/459174 | 14:08 |
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| gcb | which includes oslo.config 4.0 | 14:08 |
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| gcb | Any red flags from projects? | 14:09 |
| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:10 |
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| gcb | I found it's difficult to go through all libraries we have in Oslo | 14:11 |
| gcb | we have 35 libraries in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 14:11 |
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| gcb | so I try to generate review dashboard in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459247 | 14:12 |
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| gcb | just try the links in http://paste.openstack.org/show/607678/ :-) | 14:13 |
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| gcb | I also post a email to ML about this | 14:14 |
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| gcb | It seems we have a short meeting today | 14:15 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:15 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: I think that's missing a couple of oslo.messaging | 14:15 |
| lhx_ | seems liaisons are busy | 14:16 |
| lhx_ | lol | 14:16 |
| kgiusti | gcb: at least 2 of mine outstanding review | 14:16 |
| lhx_ | well, review dashboard is a good idea | 14:17 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, see part 3 : https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=project%3A^openstack%2Foslo.*%0Astatus%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself&title=Oslo+Review+Inbox%28Part+Three%29&oslo.concurrency=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.concurrency&oslo.config=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.config&oslo.context=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.context&oslo.db=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.db&oslo.i18n=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.i18n&oslo.log=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.log&oslo.me | 14:17 |
| gcb | ssaging=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.messaging&oslo.middleware=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.middleware&oslo.policy=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.policy | 14:17 |
| gcb | your patch should be listed there | 14:18 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454824/ there? Not showing up for me on the part3 link | 14:20 |
| kgiusti | gcb: nor this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456719/ | 14:21 |
| gcb | kgiusti, just checked part 3, they are listed | 14:24 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, please try the link in http://paste.openstack.org/show/607678/ | 14:25 |
| gcb | I think the link was truncated when I post in the IRC | 14:25 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: huh - still no "me" - just to verify you see my two review requests with this URL: https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=project%3A%5Eopenstack%2Foslo.%2A%0Astatus%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself&title=Oslo+Review+Inbox%28Part+Three%29&oslo.concurrency=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.concurrency&oslo.config=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.config&oslo.context=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.context&oslo.db=project%3Aopenstack%2Foslo.db | 14:26 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: oh - 'open+NOT+owner'.... | 14:27 |
| kgiusti | :) | 14:27 |
| gcb | yeah, that's the root cause lol | 14:27 |
| kgiusti | gcb: np - thought I was going a bit crazy (er) there... lol | 14:28 |
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| gcb | hope this can be little helpful, at least we can go through all libraries without input by setting URLs in gerrit setting | 14:29 |
| kgiusti | gcb: +1 | 14:29 |
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| gcb | okay, does anyone have anything to discuss | 14:30 |
| gcb | ? | 14:30 |
| kgiusti | Who's going to be @ Summit? | 14:31 |
| kgiusti | I'll be there (home field advantage!) | 14:31 |
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| gcb | yeah ,lucky guy, I just applied the visa today, need resubmit more materials, hope I can get my passport before the summit :( | 14:32 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: finger's crossed... | 14:33 |
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| gcb | I have two sessions : https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=ChangBo+Guo | 14:35 |
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| gcb | Maybe I need find a volunteer for "Oslo developer/operator feedback" if I can't attend the summit in time | 14:36 |
| gcb | anyway, hope I can go to Boston in time :-) | 14:36 |
| kgiusti | I've got two - https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Kenneth+Giusti | 14:36 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: the forum is right before yours gcb, so I'll cover you if you can't make it | 14:37 |
| * kgiusti hopes gcb can make it :) | 14:37 | |
| gcb | kgiusti, thanks | 14:38 |
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| * gcb hope I can see kgiusti the third or fourth time :-) | 14:40 | |
| gcb | s/see/meet | 14:40 |
| kgiusti | gcb: me also | 14:40 |
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| gcb | okay, let's end the meeting now, thanks everyone :-) | 14:44 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 24 14:45:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-24-14.01.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-24-14.01.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-04-24-14.01.log.html | 14:45 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 24 15:00:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 15:01 |
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| rakhmerov | please name yourself if you joined for mistral meeting | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | toure: hi | 15:02 |
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| toure | rakhmerov hello | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | how's it going? | 15:02 |
| toure | going, I am close, I will schedule a meeting with you to go over some code ideas | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, you mean that task :) | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:03 |
| toure | yeah | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | I was just asking in general ) | 15:03 |
| toure | :) I am good in general | 15:03 |
| toure | :) | 15:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, sure, any time except tomorrow, I'll be off work | 15:03 |
| toure | how are you | 15:03 |
| toure | cool | 15:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok too | 15:03 |
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| rakhmerov | still alive ) | 15:03 |
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| toure | that tough of a day | 15:03 |
| rbrady | o/ | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | ha-ha ) | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: hi | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | hey guys, do you have any updates? | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have much, was mostly involved into the stuff not related with development | 15:04 |
| rakhmerov | writing some marketing materials about Mistral | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | I know d0ugal is not going to be here (as far as I remember) | 15:05 |
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| rbrady | I'm looking at the project update form for Boston | 15:05 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:06 |
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| toure | rakhmerov I think he (d0ugal) is in transit | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: I can help you get prepared | 15:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll be available from this Wed | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | toure: yep, something like that ) | 15:06 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: thanks, I will appreciate it | 15:06 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: np, just let me know how | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | I can provide all the info you need | 15:07 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: btw, I think it's worth discussing the plan for that "Onboarding session" at the next meeting | 15:08 |
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| rakhmerov | with you and thrash | 15:08 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady, toure: as far as this session, honestly, I'd like to keep it short. I don't have much today and I need to finish earlier | 15:09 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack, agreed | 15:09 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: Very crude beginnings on implementation of the secure settings spec. | 15:09 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: ooh, good, I didn't realize you were here ) | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, btw | 15:10 |
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| rakhmerov | thrash, rbrady, toure, d0ugal: we're planning to have a demo of the UI tool for Mistral at the next meeting | 15:11 |
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| thrash | rakhmerov: nice | 15:11 |
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| rakhmerov | we'll send out a link to webex among the team members | 15:11 |
| toure | cool | 15:11 |
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| rakhmerov | the that's all for today? | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | if you still would like to discuss anything let's do | 15:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish earlier today | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | bye, thanks | 15:13 |
| rbrady | ack, thanks! | 15:13 |
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| toure | ack, thanks | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 24 15:13:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-24-15.00.html | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-24-15.00.txt | 15:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-04-24-15.00.log.html | 15:13 |
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| toure | rakhmerov have a good night, talk with you on Wednesday | 15:14 |
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| rakhmerov | thank you toure | 15:14 |
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| dtantsur | anyone up for an ironic meeting? :) | 16:59 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 24 17:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | hi all! | 17:00 |
| crushil | \o | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | welcome to the most ironic meeting in OpenStack! :) | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | our agenda can be found: | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| * dtantsur waits for moar people a bit | 17:02 | |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:02 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | small turnout today | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #info Virtual Meetup Tomorrow: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-virtual-meetup | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam++ | 17:03 |
| wanyen | o/ | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | 20 people signed in the meetup, this is great | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | please do come :) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | any other announcements? | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | any thing for summit? | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia may know, I'm not going there (and honestly have not been paying attention too much) | 17:04 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt the meetup, there is a list of topics. is there an agenda, or decided at the time? | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Is there any new emails about the midcycle? | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | I guess reminders :) | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | I see the one from 14-April | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | rloo, more or less as we go | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, that was the most recent. details in the etherpad. | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | but good call | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #action dtantsur to send another reminder to the ML | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I thought about something similar to our PTG discussions: just go through the list of topics; review RFEs if there's time left | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | starting with line 86 | 17:07 |
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| rloo | vsaienk0: wrt L139, deploying w apache/wsgi. question there - are we done wirt ironic? | 17:10 |
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| * dtantsur haven't seen Ukrainian folks today | 17:11 | |
| NobodyCam | holiday there? | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Not according to this: http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/ukraine/ | 17:12 |
| rloo | L210, routed networks support. | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | humm | 17:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: does that need a spec? or just approval? | 17:12 |
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| sambetts | rloo, dtantsur: IMO im not sure if it even needs an RFE | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | sambetts: ++ | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | how is it different from physnet awareness? | 17:13 |
| sambetts | rloo, dtantsur: I dug into it further and the only changes *in ironic* we need are comming from the physnet awareness | 17:13 |
| sambetts | the rest is neutron drivers | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, then maybe close as duplicate and roll this section into the previous one? | 17:14 |
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| mgoddard | sambetts: what about scheduling? | 17:14 |
| mgoddard | physnet awareness isn't covering that | 17:14 |
| sambetts | mgoddard: its handled by neutron -> nova communicated | 17:14 |
| sambetts | mgoddard: its handled by neutron -> nova communication | 17:14 |
| rloo | sambetts: is it already handled, or does someone need to add that neutron->nova connection? | 17:15 |
| mgoddard | sambetts: really? how does nova avoid scheduling an instance to an ironic node not on a physnet of any of the segments? | 17:15 |
| sambetts | rloo: we need to write an agent for neutron to feed it in, but that is going into networking-baremetal so not sure if that RFE shoud cover it | 17:15 |
| rloo | sambetts: fair enough. | 17:16 |
| rloo | sambetts: +1 to what dtantsur sez; we can sync up with vsaienk0 later to make sure he is in agreement | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | well, depends on whether we have RFEs for networking-baremetal ;) | 17:16 |
| sambetts | mgoddard: neutron creates magic aggregates in nova for you based on the information we feed in | 17:16 |
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| mgoddard | sambetts: oh, interesting. I guess that would work | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, mgoddard, could you please take the fate of this RFE as an action item? or we can move it to the open discussion | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | we're a bit out of time for this section | 17:17 |
| mgoddard | dtantsur: sure | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | thnx! | 17:17 |
| sambetts | I'm happy to continue discussion on the physnet awareness and that RFE page | 17:17 |
| sambetts | :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | anything else re statuses? | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:19 |
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| dtantsur | we did not land much, did we? :( | 17:19 |
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| dtantsur | also, given the OSIC situation, I wonder if we should keep rescue on the priority list.. | 17:19 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: we should remove rescue until we know who is going to continue working on it | 17:20 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt existing 1.1 -- that patch is ready for reviews | 17:20 |
| jlvillal | +1 I did a rebase, but not sure on what management will assign as my priorities yet. | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | yes, this matches my thoughts | 17:21 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: given the meetup tomorrow, not sure how important it is to get these priorities 'right' this week | 17:21 |
| aNuposic | I can take the tempest patch which Mario was trying to land, but not sure who is going to work on rest of the patches | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | aNuposic, thanks! | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i updated priority 1 if we decide to keep it there | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Without the rest of the rescue patches, the tempest patch isn't much good though. | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, thanks! | 17:23 |
| aNuposic | jlvillal, +1 | 17:23 |
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| rloo | i'm good with the existing 4 priorities. | 17:23 |
| rloo | we can discuss rescue later | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | yeah, or we can pick e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448661/ | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | Yeah, priorities look good to me. | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | it was discussed to death already, so may be an easy win | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, that reminds me. sambett's ipa spec... | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | hmm | 17:24 |
| rloo | oh, and then speaking of specs, the etags spec | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | etags is there already | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | That's #3 ... | 17:24 |
| rloo | oh yeah. sorry. | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | and the CLI version spec has higher priority than the IPA spec (though I don't disagree with getting it first) | 17:24 |
| rloo | dtantsur: maybe hold off on 448661 until we know who is going to shepherd it along? | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I will | 17:25 |
| * dtantsur makes a note | 17:25 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, i'll look at it after you review it (again) then :) | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | so, should we take it, assuming that I'll take care of it? | 17:26 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: we could. honestly, i don't know if i have time for that this week anyway. i mean, it doesn't hurt. | 17:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: lets just keep it to what we have. | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we didn't get much movement last week, adding another one probably won't help. | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | ok, it's not urgent | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | we can always take more patches from existing topics | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | so, how are these 4 items looking? | 17:28 |
| * dtantsur will assume "yes" | 17:28 | |
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| dtantsur | s/yes/good/ | 17:28 |
| rloo | yes :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | Monday evening, sigh.. | 17:28 |
| rloo | err, good :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | #topic Specs that are stuck on contentious items | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs that are stuck on contentious items (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:29 | |
| dtantsur | rloo, your turn | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1683777 | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683777 in Ironic "[RFE] Deprecate dhcp providers" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Vasyl Saienko (vsaienko) | 17:29 |
| rloo | just wanted a quick yay or nay on this. | 17:29 |
| rloo | vsaienk0 already posted a patch but the rfe wasn't approved | 17:29 |
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| rloo | are we good with deprecating dhcp providers? | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | +1 for rfe-approved, and I see vdrok +1 too | 17:29 |
| rloo | and/or should we post email to list to check first? | 17:30 |
| rloo | I'm +1 for it. | 17:30 |
| rloo | (I'm not sure that anyone has written their own dhcp driver) | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | dunno re emails, they usually don't get a lot of attention.. | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | me neither | 17:31 |
| rloo | ok then. lets approve it. | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:31 |
| rloo | thx :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | #topic Future of the deploy methods | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Future of the deploy methods (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:31 | |
| dtantsur | food for thoughts mostly, no need to decide right here and now | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | 1. Should we deprecate the iSCSI method? E.g. HPE folks do not want to support it in their hardware type. | 17:32 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: please no, currently the agent method requires swift | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | sambetts, it can use any http, no? | 17:32 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: not in openstack with glance | 17:32 |
| mgoddard | what sambetts said | 17:32 |
| sambetts | unless we start serving http images from the ironic conductor (which I think there is an RFE for) then I don't think we can kill iscsi | 17:33 |
| mgoddard | glance won't work without swift due to authentication, right? | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, it may be a reason to talk to iLO folks then, as they don't plan on adding "iscsi" method to their new hardware type | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | generally, I'd prefer drivers to not diverge too much in terms of deploy methods | 17:34 |
| wanyen | iscsi-ilo driver has dependency on swit as well. | 17:34 |
| sambetts | surely iscsi vs agent deploy shouldn't matter WRT differnt hardware | 17:34 |
| wanyen | swit/swift | 17:34 |
| rloo | so i think it is hp's decision whether to support iscsi or not. | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | rloo, more or less. I'm thinking about the consequences for us. | 17:35 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, what are the consequences? | 17:35 |
| wanyen | for ilo driver, agent-ilo and iscsi-ilo have the same capability and same dpendencies. | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | like, currently we have pxe_ilo that does not require swift | 17:35 |
| sambetts | plus anyone outside of HP could push for iscsi on HP right? its not locked down to only being contributed to by HP people right? | 17:35 |
| sambetts | wanyen: perhaps you can help us understand why that is the case? | 17:36 |
| sambetts | wanyen: normal iscsi doesn't have that requirement | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, it requires 3rdparty CI support, so it needs buy-in from a vendor | 17:36 |
| rloo | sambetts: yes, shiv indicated (and there is a comment in the code) that if there were asks, they would be amenible to supporting it. | 17:36 |
| wanyen | we upload the vfat file to swift for both iscsi and agent ilo dirvers | 17:36 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: we're talking about this, L52: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439404/11/ironic/drivers/ilo.py ? | 17:37 |
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| wanyen | so for ilo driver agent-ilo and iscsi-ilo are pretty much the same except agent-ilo download image from bare metal and iscsi ilo copy it from conductor. we have pxe-ilo that has no dependency on swift | 17:38 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, well, this comment is not correct. iscsi deploy + pxe boot do not require swift.. | 17:38 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: from my perspective, it seems to be up to HP to support it or not, and if their comment isn't correct, it is their customers... | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | I agree with the first part, but not with the second part | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | ironic is our shared responsibility, so if not swift is a strict dependency of ilo drivers - we have to be clear about it. | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, the second part is easily addressed by updating the comment. | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | but this topic is NOT about forcing HPE into supporting iscsi :) | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | I was just asking around for use cases for iscsi, and it seems like we have them | 17:40 |
| wanyen | we like to know who is using iscsi-ilo? most the customers we know are either using pxe-ilo or agent-ilo. | 17:41 |
| sambetts | if we could support serving images via HTTP from the conductor then I'd be happy to deprecate iscsi | 17:41 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i thought you wanted to deprecate iscsi cuz hp wasn't going to support it. so yeah, there are others that want it. | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | rloo, no, hp just made me think about it | 17:41 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ah, gotcha. | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | another thing I was going to bring (again, just a random idea): Instead of iSCSI, maybe bring in the Ansible one? It seems in good shape, has a CI now. | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | ofc it has a dependency on ansible :) | 17:42 |
| wanyen | by the way, iscsi-ilo will still be there. It's just that we don't do new hardware type for iscsi for the time being. If there are demands from users, we will consider adding it. | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you mean the ansible driver? there was/is a spec for that, right? | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | #link http://ironic-staging-drivers.readthedocs.io/en/latest/drivers/ansible.html | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, so i think the spec is still there. just needs reviews/approval? | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, we're mostly talking about pxe_ilo, which is not going to be supported by the new iLO hardware type | 17:43 |
| sambetts | dtantsur, rloo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1598852 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1526241 would help us towards the possiblity of deprecating iscsi | 17:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1598852 in Ironic "[RFE] Provide Agent HTTP provisioning without swift + tempurls" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526241 in Ironic "[RFE] Support all glance backends in the agent" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:43 |
| rloo | sambetts: thx, i thought there were rfe's for that :) | 17:44 |
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| rloo | sambetts: I think it is a grand idea. | 17:44 |
| rloo | sambetts: i think we have a lot on our plate. | 17:44 |
| wanyen | dtantsur: that's news to me that pxe-ilo is not going to be supported by new ilo hardware type. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | oh, I see | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, I'm more in favor of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1598852, seems simpler | 17:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1598852 in Ironic "[RFE] Provide Agent HTTP provisioning without swift + tempurls" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:45 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: I agree, its seems like we could implement that relativly quickly, we're already running a HTTP server for iPXE | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, do we have a spec for that? | 17:46 |
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| rloo | wanyen: this is the pxe-ilo driver i think: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/485a3315d77d8ee8cb29a8b5d787ba248c969c10/ironic/drivers/pxe.py#L97 | 17:47 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: not yet, I can put together a straight forward one tomorrow morning | 17:47 |
| rloo | wanyen: the patch for ilo hardware type, does not support iscsi_deploy.ISCSIDeploy() | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, thanks! it's something I'd keep on our backlog | 17:47 |
| rloo | wanyen: so how will the new ilo hardware type support it? | 17:47 |
| * rloo not sure she wants to spend meetup talking about future things that are not high priority, given what we need/want to get done this cycle | 17:48 | |
| dtantsur | rloo, which item are you referring to? | 17:49 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: cool! | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | I hope it won't break existing folks that use it | 17:49 |
| wanyen | rloo: I need to ask teh team. My intent is to support new hardware type equivalent to pxe-ilo and iscsi-ilo. The virtual media deploy has dependency on swift but pxe deploy doesn't. | 17:49 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what you & sambetts were discussing above | 17:49 |
| rloo | wanyen: thx for asking your team | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I did not suggest it for the meetup, just for future work | 17:49 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx for clarifying; wasn't clear to me. | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | np, sorry for confusion | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | so, quick poll: wdyt of eventually bringing the ansible deploy method in? | 17:50 |
| rloo | i think it is a good idea. would need to look at the details. | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | thats exactly what staging driver was meant for so I am ++ | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | 'eventually' sounds like it is reasonable. | 17:51 |
| * rloo would like to eventually get everything in :D | 17:51 | |
| dtantsur | heh :) | 17:51 |
| jlvillal | But I personally haven't dug into the details. | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | well, moving an already existing driver is a bit easier than writing one from scratch | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | anyway, thanks for feedback! that's all I had | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:52 | |
| dtantsur | 7.5 minutes :) | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | any desire to discuss the routed networks vs physnet awareness? | 17:53 |
| rloo | i'm concerned about the potential loss of ironic contributors. but maybe this isn't the time/place to discuss. | 17:53 |
| wanyen | rloo: I believe that pxe-ilo does have dependency on iscsi so please don't deprecate iscsi deploy. For ilo virtual media drivers, agent-ilo and iscsi-ilo they both have the same functionalities and same dependencies, so that's why we are thinking just to make new hardware type for agent-ilo equivalent. | 17:54 |
| rloo | wanyen: i think we decided that we aren't deprecating iscsi. at least not in the near future. | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | rloo, the impact is still unclear, at least to me.. | 17:54 |
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| sambetts | mgoddard: any progress on the physnet awareness? | 17:54 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, i know. that's why maybe now isn't a good time to discuss. there's not much we can do. just wondering if we might need to reprioritize or rethink our processes but i guess it'll happen. | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | we will most certainly need to reprioritize, yeah | 17:55 |
| mgoddard | sambetts: not yet. I've had my head down on a customer deployment for the past few weeks. I should have some time to make a start in the next week or so | 17:55 |
| rloo | eg, fewer people == can we be more effective. something we can mull over i guess. | 17:56 |
| xavierr | hey, I was trying to deploy a machine using multi-tenancy feature. I saw that there is a bug when changing from provision net to tenant as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1599836 | 17:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599836 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Booting Ironic instance, neutron port remains in DOWN state" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:56 |
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| sambetts | mgoddard: cool, I need that work to start putting together the patches for the routed networks logic | 17:56 |
| wanyen | rloo: I believe pxe-ilo has dependency on ISCSIDeploy so please do not deprecate ISCSIDeploy. For ilo vmedia drivers (agent-ilo & iscsi-ilo), they both have dependnecy on swit and have the same functionalities, so we are support new hardware type for agent-ilo equivalent for now. | 17:56 |
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| xavierr | do we have any fix for it? ^^^ | 17:57 |
| xavierr | the message is 'cannot update to ACTIVE because it is not bound' | 17:57 |
| mgoddard | sambetts: is there a subset of it that would be useful to you that I should focus on? | 17:57 |
| xavierr | vsaienk0 has registered that bug, I tried talk to him but he seems unavailable :( | 17:58 |
| sambetts | mgoddard: main thing is the data model, and exposing the fields in the API so that I can start storing the data and reading it out | 17:58 |
| mgoddard | sambetts: perhaps just getting the port objects updated with the new attribute? | 17:58 |
| mgoddard | sambetts: sure. I'll focus on that to begin with then. How hard can it be? ;) | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | 1 minute alert | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | one minute | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | lol! | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:59 |
| xavierr | :( | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | xavierr, all Ukrainian folks seem out today, maybe try tomorrow? | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | and thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting ironic | 18:00 |
| xavierr | dtantsur: I'll do | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 24 18:00:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| xavierr | ty | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-24-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| xavierr | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-24-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-04-24-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 24 20:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 20:02 |
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| spotz | \o/ | 20:02 |
| vkmc_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| ildikov | hi y'all :) | 20:02 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: around? | 20:02 |
| jungleboyj | Happy Monday! | 20:02 |
| jaypipes | is it? | 20:03 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: this was evil of you! :) | 20:03 |
| vkmc_ | That's optimistic | 20:03 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Why? It has been a good Monday for me so far. | 20:03 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | so agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | jaypipes: I am trying to be optimistic. | 20:03 |
| jaypipes | jungleboyj: :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I'm only aware of not bad Mondays... :) | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Atta Way! | 20:04 |
| ildikov | so let's start! :) | 20:04 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:04 | |
| ildikov | the training is at the end of next week!!!!! | 20:05 |
| ildikov | I'm freaked out, you shouldn't! :) | 20:05 |
| jungleboyj | It is going to be great. | 20:05 |
| spotz | We got this | 20:05 |
| * jungleboyj high fives spotz | 20:05 | |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:05 |
| ildikov | we still have work to do and figure out the hands on parts more, it's coming later in the agenda | 20:05 |
| ildikov | update the content and do reviews! | 20:06 |
| jaypipes | yeah, I need to get on that. sorry I haven't been able to do that yet :( | 20:06 |
| jungleboyj | jaypipes: Let me know if you need help buddy. | 20:06 |
| ildikov | I will ping everyone who's signed up for Boston on the wiki this week to ensure we're all on the same page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | There are 9 open reviews that need comments | 20:06 |
| jaypipes | jungleboyj: nah, just need to get on the reviews... | 20:06 |
| jungleboyj | jaypipes: Ok. | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 20:07 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: no worries, whenever you can | 20:07 |
| ildikov | if there's anyone around, who's able to attend the training and has not signed up on the wiki please go and update! | 20:07 |
| ildikov | we have 65 registered students as of now | 20:07 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | Nice. | 20:08 |
| ildikov | I will send out a welcome, info and please confirm you're attending the training this week | 20:08 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: is that more or less than in Barcelona? | 20:08 |
| ildikov | and hope for the best re response and show up rate | 20:08 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I have tdasilva set up as a swift representative if we need someone for Swift. | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, a little less | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | We ended up qith about 90 people between the two days | 20:08 |
| mlavalle | wow | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | lots of people showed up that didnt register though | 20:09 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we had roughly 75 RSVP's for Barcelona and roughly almost 90 people showing up... :) | 20:09 |
| mlavalle | do we know their project interest already? | 20:09 |
| ildikov | it was pretty unusual | 20:09 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we get there later today | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, yes we have that. | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | mlavalle: Yeah, was going to ask that. | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, jungleboyj later on in the agenda :0 | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 20:09 |
| ildikov | stay tuned, we're just announcing right now :) | 20:09 |
| * mlavalle will not jump the gun again :-( | 20:10 | |
| ildikov | mlavalle: all good, we like excitement :) | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yeah, been jumping the gun today. | 20:10 |
| ildikov | so we have a sign up etherpad for presenting topics: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston-upstream-institute-presenters | 20:10 |
| ildikov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston-upstream-institute-presenters | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, meanwhile ildikov and I are scrambling today to get caught up frm last week | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-) | 20:11 |
| ildikov | so jungleboyj was eager to take the how it's made parts, but I'm sure he's open to make a good deal if someone would like to jump in to that big block | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | I can take more sections to present or I can relinquish some if there are people who would rather talk. | 20:11 |
| vkmc_ | jungleboyj: may I take a few items of How OpenStack is made? | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | vkmc_: Sure! | 20:12 |
| jungleboyj | Happy to share. | 20:12 |
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| vkmc_ | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:12 |
| vkmc_ | Any preference? | 20:12 |
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| jaypipes | vkmc_: with lots of sausage and spaghetti? ;) | 20:12 |
| ildikov | vkmc_: jungleboyj: I think it's good if we have multiple people presenting, might help with keeping up people's attention as well to have some movement | 20:13 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: lol | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | jaypipes, with beer? | 20:13 |
| vkmc_ | Haha | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | diablo_rojo: ah, yes indeed :) | 20:13 |
| vkmc_ | +1 to all that | 20:13 |
| jungleboyj | Beer. | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:13 |
| vkmc_ | Ok, will add my name to the etherpad | 20:13 |
| ildikov | somehow we should share this joy with the students as well | 20:13 |
| vkmc_ | And we can later adjust it | 20:13 |
| vkmc_ | Yaay | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Need to change things up so people don't zone out. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | these jokes always make me say out loud how much I like this community! | 20:13 |
| ildikov | but back to track | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | vkmc_: You want to take governance and communication. | 20:14 |
| ildikov | please add names to the etherpad and agree on who takes what on the final schedule | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | We can kind-of alternate? | 20:14 |
| spotz | I'm holding on to my 2!!!! | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | I would like to keep the official projects and release-cycle since I worked on the slides quite a bit. | 20:15 |
| vkmc_ | Sounds good! | 20:15 |
| ildikov | ok, you get 20 more seconds to discuss this and take the rest of the chats to the channel after the meeting plz :) | 20:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok, we are done. :-) | 20:15 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: tnx :) | 20:16 |
| ildikov | #topic Open reviews | 20:16 |
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| jungleboyj | Me and my excitement. | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I want to take some of them, but I will be disappearing periodically for keynote practice so it might be hard. I can sign up for some and have someone be my understudy? | 20:16 |
| ildikov | so I'm lazy, here you can find all: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 20:16 |
| ildikov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 20:16 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: that should work, I think we have multiple people for each section, who can cover | 20:17 |
| vkmc_ | I promise I'll check those out soon as well | 20:17 |
| vkmc_ | Have been jumping around different things lately | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | I am going to respond to the current comments ASAP. | 20:17 |
| ildikov | so please do reviews, I will ping our not too many cores to do their duties too | 20:17 |
| ildikov | vkmc_: I hear ya! | 20:18 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thanks for looking through and merging some and commenting on others. | 20:18 |
| ildikov | I think we're mostly good with the comments | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I have some comments to respond to, but please make more! | 20:18 |
| ildikov | is there anything to put up for discussion here? | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | nope | 20:18 |
| jungleboyj | Hope all the updates I made last week are ok. | 20:18 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I think I added comments to all by now, so we should be close either way | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | Great. Thanks. | 20:19 |
| spotz | I think I've been through them all if not poke with a specific one | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yeah, appreciated all the collaboration. | 20:19 |
| ildikov | awesome, so I think we're looking good here | 20:20 |
| ildikov | let's move forward with the agenda | 20:20 |
| ildikov | #topic Topics | 20:20 |
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| ildikov | let's start with the areas to cover first as that's shorter than chatting about the slides | 20:21 |
| ianychoi | oh hi | 20:21 |
| ildikov | so the list is on the etherpad as part of the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 20:21 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: hi, you're up early! | 20:21 |
| ildikov | so we have quite a few areas to cover, I only added numbers to those, where we have only a few people interested in that specific area | 20:22 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, I am now transferring in SFO airport :) I need to go to Oslo - Norway before Summit and I would be unable to attend to upstream institute on Saturday :( | 20:22 |
| spotz | ianychoi: :( | 20:22 |
| ildikov | the ones without numbers are more than 5 people | 20:22 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: :( | 20:22 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: are you still up for Sunday? | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | vkmc_: That is right, you are Manila and I have a swift candidate so I think we have all the storage covered. :-) | 20:23 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: going to Boston through SFO from Norway sounds pretty cruel | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | So we NEED networking people, auth& security people, and containers people the most | 20:23 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, I will be back around afternoon Saturday so I will be on Sunday :) | 20:23 |
| ildikov | knikolla: are you still available for Boston? | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, and I will poke at liaisons for those projects, but if you know of anyone that is going early or in the area that works on them- rope those people in! | 20:24 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yep but Korea <-> Norway and Korea <-> Boston are worse and Korea <-> Norway <-> Boston is so expensive.. T.T | 20:24 |
| knikolla | ildikov: yes I am. | 20:24 |
| spotz | ildikov: I can see when a friend on Barbican is coming, it's been a year since I did anything with it | 20:24 |
| ildikov | knikolla: to cover Keystone and maybe other parts as well | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, bring Igor! | 20:24 |
| vkmc_ | I can ping some people later | 20:24 |
| ildikov | spotz: would be great! | 20:25 |
| vkmc_ | For the missing projects | 20:25 |
| knikolla | ildikov: yes. it is the weekend before the summit right? | 20:25 |
| ildikov | knikolla: yes | 20:25 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: He replaced me as Heat engineer so he's not using it any more either:) | 20:25 |
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| spotz | Checking with redrobot:) | 20:25 |
| ildikov | I added the areas to the sections etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/boston-upstream-institute-presenters | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | I am not sure if Brant Knudson is going to be in Boston. He could cover auth. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | please check, I will try to clean it up a bit later | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | Oh you know who is going to be there. | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | Lance. | 20:27 |
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| jungleboyj | I will ping Lance for Auth. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | when does he get in? | 20:27 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we have knikolla as Keystone liaison | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Checking. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | SO long as they are there for Sunday that will be fine. | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok, never mind. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Since saturday will be less project specific | 20:27 |
| ildikov | I know Lance likes this initiative, so if he can be around that's great of course | 20:28 |
| * redrobot pokes head in | 20:28 | |
| spotz | jungleboyj: Yeah make Lance come! | 20:28 |
| spotz | I can poke him too ildikov:) | 20:28 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Ok. I will poke him. | 20:28 |
| ildikov | so we have Storage, Auth and Compute covered | 20:28 |
| spotz | I've also hit up the barbican channel:) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | spotz: jungleboyj: just don't be too pushy, we're a nice and friendly community not forcing people into things ;) | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I would ask Flavio about containers, but I imagine he will be in the board meeting. | 20:29 |
| spotz | ildikov: They're my friends:) | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, thank you :) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | spotz: jungleboyj vkmc_ : if you find more people plz add them to the wiki and the etherpad as well! | 20:29 |
| vkmc_ | Sure thing | 20:29 |
| vkmc_ | Do we have access to the list of people that RSVP? | 20:30 |
| spotz | redrobot won't get in until 2:( | 20:30 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Will do. Wish we had Networking contacts. | 20:30 |
| vkmc_ | And their main interests | 20:30 |
| ildikov | spotz: jungleboyj: vkmc_: we need to have a rough idea how many people will be around from organizational perspectives, like catering, etc. | 20:30 |
| vkmc_ | Yeah | 20:30 |
| ildikov | vkmc_: yes, the list on the etherpad is built from their response | 20:30 |
| vkmc_ | Awesome | 20:30 |
| spotz | ildikov: On the plus side if we don't have projects represented we can send folks to the onboarding rooms | 20:31 |
| ildikov | I will add more numbers, just had some issues with the tools, so added indication to those topics, where we have only a very few people | 20:31 |
| jungleboyj | Lance doesn't get in until 2 on Sunday. :-( | 20:31 |
| ildikov | the rest is the we must have people in the room for those :) | 20:31 |
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| ildikov | we need to figure out Networking | 20:31 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Lenovo has Kolla contacts. I can have our guy reach out if Flavio can't help. | 20:32 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: I'm going to be there Sunday afternoon | 20:32 |
| ildikov | I think Flavio was interested in coming too, he might be able to cover some containers stuff | 20:32 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: I know | 20:32 |
| spotz | I could check with inc0 from kolla | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, the more the merrier :) | 20:33 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:33 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: do you know whether anyone else from the team might be around if people would be eager to ask a bit more specific questions during the first half of the training? | 20:33 |
| ildikov | spotz: sounds good, tnx, I will ping Flavio | 20:33 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: no, I'll ask tomorrow morning during the weekly irc meeting | 20:33 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: cool, thanks | 20:34 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: there's a good chance we don't get to the deep dives until Sunday afternoon | 20:34 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: unfortunately we don't have a reliable timing for the agenda yet | 20:34 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: what am I supposed to do during the deep dive? | 20:34 |
| ildikov | which would be good in general, so that's on the "roadmap" for the team | 20:35 |
| jungleboyj | We are going to rock the timing. | 20:35 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we will get to that in a second | 20:35 |
| * mlavalle jumping the gun again. bad mlavalle, bad! | 20:35 | |
| jungleboyj | mlavalle: tsk, tsk, tsk | 20:36 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: sorry :) | 20:36 |
| mlavalle | just kidding :-) | 20:36 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: if you'll be around and not too tired on Sunday I guess you can talk to people interested in docs, right? | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, lol | 20:37 |
| spotz | inc0 is texted | 20:37 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: I know :) | 20:37 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yep sure. I can talk docs part :) | 20:38 |
| ildikov | I think we are roughly good with this part | 20:38 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: cool, tnx | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | :-0 | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, yep | 20:38 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: we had Christian having a docs deep dive with people in Barcelona, but he cannot come this time :( | 20:38 |
| ildikov | ok, so let's move on to the content | 20:39 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, he now more focuses on Kolla :) I see | 20:39 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I know, he covered docs well too last time though | 20:39 |
| ildikov | so we mentioned deep dives today, let's talk about that a bit | 20:39 |
| ildikov | the idea/expectation for the last part of the training is to have small group sessions with the students | 20:40 |
| ildikov | which are these deppe dives | 20:40 |
| ildikov | s/deppe/deep/ | 20:40 |
| * ildikov cannot type anymore... | 20:40 | |
| ildikov | so what we tried to do last time was, showing people how we deal with the code or docs | 20:41 |
| spotz | too much BBQ.... | 20:41 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: He he he. | 20:41 |
| ildikov | spotz: right on the point :) | 20:41 |
| ildikov | the aim is to show them how to run tests, how to and what to do with Devstack | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | That was what my group was looking for. | 20:42 |
| ildikov | how to test their modifications both unit/functional tests and how to test it in Devstack | 20:42 |
| ianychoi | great :) | 20:42 |
| ildikov | we have ideas like download the code for a project, mess up something and let the team run the tests, find the failing ones and figure out what went wrong | 20:43 |
| ildikov | they can get a cookie if they find it by themselves or smth :) | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Oh, we did talk about that. | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | That doesn't sound all bad. | 20:43 |
| spotz | ildikov: We could already have something broken that they clone so we can know how to debug it?:) | 20:44 |
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| ildikov | another thing is to figure out an exercise that would require adding new log messages and then restart the services and find them in the logs | 20:44 |
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| ildikov | spotz: I didn't mean to randomly break something there | 20:45 |
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| jungleboyj | spotz: Yeah, I think that was the idea. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | spotz: or well, it would be ideal to have the mentors prepared with what to break, which tests will fail and how to debug the thing | 20:45 |
| spotz | I was just thinking of it from the troubleshooting side, if we knew ahead of time what is broken it's easier to guide them to fix it | 20:46 |
| spotz | so basically same thing:) | 20:46 |
| ildikov | spotz: that's exactly the idea :) | 20:46 |
| ildikov | spotz: it's another thing to get there with a team of cats to make these tings happen and be less on the fly style :) | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. Could even have them cherry-pick a patch that we have created that breaks things. Would demonstrate another skill. | 20:46 |
| mlavalle | ildikov: so each mentor can will come up with his / her own specific thing to do | 20:47 |
| mlavalle | right? | 20:47 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: yes | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | Though, the smart ones can just look at the diff, but *shrug* | 20:47 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 20:47 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we collect areas of interest so people can play with that code base they are actually interested in | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | mlavalle: I think we should all take an similar approach though. | 20:47 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: also those services in Devstack, etc | 20:47 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: vkmc_: knikolla: are you on board with the above ideas? | 20:48 |
| mlavalle | jungleboyj: yeah, I'll create a patch that breaks something and have them debug it | 20:48 |
| jungleboyj | mlavalle: Sounds good. | 20:48 |
| knikolla | ildikov: will have to read above as i wasn't here | 20:48 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: sounds awesome, thanks! | 20:48 |
| vkmc_ | Sounds good to me! | 20:48 |
| vkmc_ | It will probably be more organized that way | 20:49 |
| ildikov | knikolla: sure, you can ask on the channel too after the meeting if you need more info for this | 20:49 |
| ildikov | vkmc_: you mean having a patch that breaks something? | 20:49 |
| jaypipes | ildikov: sure, fine by me. | 20:50 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: cool, tnx | 20:50 |
| mlavalle | if jaypipes agrees, we are on the right track | 20:50 |
| mlavalle | Great! | 20:50 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: :) | 20:51 |
| jaypipes | heh | 20:51 |
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| jungleboyj | All hail Lord Pipes! ;-) | 20:52 |
| ildikov | I think it would be great to have some rough outlines for the deep dives | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:52 |
| ildikov | if not before the training then summarizing it after as what work and what did not work | 20:52 |
| jaypipes | jungleboyj: lol | 20:52 |
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| ildikov | also I would like to ask every mentor to try to get all the students involved and let them and also encourage them to play with the environment and the code by themselves on their machine | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 20:54 |
| ildikov | they will still miss the we don't fix a real bug experience | 20:54 |
| spotz | ildikov: We tried having some for git and gerrit it's just too hard to find enough of them they can do especially not knowing skill sets | 20:55 |
| ildikov | I think we could theme this a bit, like having a Launchpad bug that describes the issue | 20:55 |
| ildikov | they can get the patch that breaks the code on the training and they can upload their fix to the Sandbox project on Gerrit or smth like | 20:55 |
| ildikov | or the description how they found the issue, or smth like | 20:56 |
| spotz | oooh nice | 20:56 |
| ildikov | so they practice what they learned | 20:56 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:56 |
| ildikov | spotz: I don't like the fix real bug on the training idea to be honest | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: That sounds good. | 20:57 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think we need to be more "strategic" and educational than that | 20:57 |
| spotz | yeah it's not real doable | 20:57 |
| spotz | we do fake doc bugs and patches and reviews | 20:57 |
| ildikov | agreed, so my thinking is do things like how we all do it in real life and give the students success | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | I have had a request from my team to cover more on git and rebasing changes but I just don't see a way to get that into the education. :-( | 20:58 |
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| ildikov | and also let them practice everything they learned on the way | 20:58 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: that's the lunch and learn maybe :) | 20:58 |
| ildikov | and also telling people that sometimes they will need to cherry-pick anyhow... | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I think having a bug and pulling down a broken patch and then going through the process of fixing it and proposing a change for each project is great. | 20:58 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: awesome, tnx | 20:59 |
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| jungleboyj | Is there a way to do that in the Sandbox environment? | 20:59 |
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| ildikov | so homework for mentors to come up with a small patch that breaks something in their project, have a bug report for it the Sandbox project on Launchpad and then let the students rock! | 21:00 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: not on code level | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so they can do part of it in the sandbox. | 21:00 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I mean they can upload a diff a description of how they fixed the issue, but obviously we will not have the code base and test jobs there | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | I will figure it out. | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right. | 21:01 |
| ildikov | ok, time's up | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | That is all we need. | 21:01 |
| ildikov | let's jump on the channel for further discussions | 21:01 |
| ildikov | thanks everyone, great meeting! | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | Great meeting. thanks! | 21:01 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot all! | 21:01 |
| ildikov | see most of you next week!!! :) | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | ciao :) | 21:01 |
| diablo_rojo | We still have one more meeting before the training | 21:02 |
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| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 24 21:02:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-04-24-20.00.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-04-24-20.00.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-04-24-20.00.log.html | 21:02 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I know, but the see everyone next week comment is valid regardless :) | 21:02 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: good to remind people though :) | 21:03 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, true :) | 21:03 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 21:03 |
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