Wednesday, 2017-04-26

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soichi#startmeeting taas05:32
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soichi#topic Open Discussion05:33
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soichikaz: do you have any topic and/or comment before Boston Summit?05:35
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kazi am reading the document to create new dashboard project which was show by yamamoto-san.05:36
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soichikaz: thank you for sharing the status05:37
soichiyamamoto: do have any topic/update for today?05:38
yamamotokaz: have you added your name here?
kaznot yet05:39
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soichiI'd like to cancel IRC meetings on next two weeks05:41
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soichiweek of 5/1: national holidays in Japan05:41
soichiweek of 5/8: week of the OpenStack Summit05:41
yamamotosounds good05:41
soichiokay, thanks05:42
soichibecause it seems no more topic/update for today, I'd like to close today's meeting05:43
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soichivnyyad: hi05:45
vnyyadsoichi: Hi105:45
soichivnyyad: do you have any topic/update for today's IRC?05:45
vnyyadno i dont have...05:45
vnyyadany idea if anil is back05:46
soichino i don't have.  i hope he can back to taas soon.05:47
soichii want to nominate Kaz as a core reviewer of taas project05:48
soichivnyyad: do you have any comment/suggestion about it?05:49
vnyyadi am fine with it (personal opinion)05:50
vnyyadbut i guess the other cores have to also decide05:50
vnyyadand hence i suggest we wait until anil gets back05:50
vnyyadand along with yamamoto we can take a call05:51
soichiokay, i agree05:51
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soichican we close today's meeting?05:53
vnyyadif nothing yes05:53
vnyyadtime to start office :)05:53
soichigood morning :)05:54
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tobberydbergAnyone here for PublicCloud WG meeting?13:07
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tobberydbergMaybe I'm one hour to early =)13:09
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tobberydbergHi everyone in publicloud-wg!14:01
tobberydbergHave seen zhipeng at least ;-)14:01
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zhipenghey tobias ;)14:02
zhipenghope we have a decent turnout today14:02
tobberydbergI will have to leave 5-10 minutes early...didn't think of the extra hour against UTC when I planned my week =)14:03
tobberydbergWe start the meeting and see if we have any others joining us during the hour...14:04
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tobberydberg#startmeeting publiccloud-wg14:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 26 14:04:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg'14:04
zhipengno problem14:05
tobberydbergAs usually ... put your name =)14:05
tobberydberg#topic Reveiw last weeks agenda items (APs)14:05
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tobberydbergHaven't been any meetings lately, but I had an action earlier to set chairs at the wiki page14:07
tobberydbergWhich is done14:07
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zhipengyes we slipped through two meetings I guess14:08
tobberydbergyou were alone14:08
zhipengone of the AI for Boston summit is to boost the participation rate in this WG :)14:09
tobberydbergthats another question to address...we need to get better presence at these meetings14:09
tobberydbergexactly =)14:10
tobberydbergLets talk about that after we covered the agenda...but totally agree14:10
tobberydberg#topic Forum sessions in Boston14:10
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tobberydbergWe are hosting 2 sessions14:11
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tobberydbergWe are supposed to create etherpads for them according to template14:11
zhipengyes I was about to mention that :)14:11
zhipengi saw Tom's email14:11
tobberydbergyou are set to moderator for them both I believe14:13
zhipengI remember I have one14:13
zhipengthe one mnaser proposed14:13
tobberydbergMohammed Naser is co-moderator at "Features missing in OpenStack core for Public Cloud provider"14:14
tobberydbergThen we have "Shared Commercial Goals for OpenStack Public Cloud Providers"14:14
tobberydbergI thought you said that was proposed of someone else?14:15
tobberydbergOr am I wrong?14:15
zhipengI remember mnaser proposed the commercial goals14:16
zhipengyou proposed the feature missing topic originally, right ?14:16
tobberydbergLooks like it is nick that proposed the other one14:17
tobberydbergI can reach out Nick regarding this14:17
zhipengAh right14:17
zhipengmy bad14:17
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tobberydberg#action tobberydberg will reach out to yankcrime regarding his submission to the Forum14:18
tobberydbergI can also create the skeleton for the two sessions14:18
tobberydberg...and post that to the official wiki page14:19
zhipengthe wg wiki page ?14:19
tobberydbergat that page14:19
tobberydbergour initial pad is listed in the bottom, will create two new once, one for each session14:20
tobberydberg#action tobberydberg will create forum etherpads for the 2 sessions we have14:20
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zhipengokey great :)14:21
tobberydbergBut, will ask nick to moderate the one he proposed14:21
zhipengjust found the link in the agenda14:21
tobberydbergthese are the two yes14:22
zhipengso shall we have mnaser and yankcrime the action item for the etherpad ?14:22
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tobberydbergmaybe mnaser is supposed to moderate the GAP-session?14:23
zhipengwe need one etherpad per session right ?14:23
zhipengsince we got two14:23
tobberydbergI can create them both initially14:23
zhipengand yes he's the gap one14:24
tobberydbergthen I will reach out to him as well14:24
zhipenggreat thx :)14:24
tobberydberg#action tobberydberg will talk to mnaser about the gap session14:24
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tobberydbergI feel fine about co-moderating that one as well14:24
tobberydbergyankcrime: welcome! =)14:25
zhipenghey speak of the devil14:25
yankcrimesorry i'm really late - previous meeting overran14:25
tobberydbergexactly =)14:25
tobberydbergJust got an action point to contact you regarding "your" forum session =)14:25
yankcrimewas this the one about public cloud operators working together?14:26
yankcrimethat looks familiar ;)14:26
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tobberydbergI took the action to initially create etherpads according to template14:27
tobberydbergbut, we leave for you to finalize if that is ok14:27
yankcrimeyeah sure14:28
yankcrimehappy to14:28
tobberydbergSo, then that one is covered14:29
zhipengyankcrime remember to sign up on the etherpad14:29
yankcrimejust digging out the url now zhipeng14:29
yankcrimeso many etherpads...14:29
tobberydbergAs said earlier, will reach out to mnaser regarding the other one, but that one I'm fine to host as well14:29
yankcrimei've moderated sessions before, happy to help out in that regard too if necessary14:30
tobberydbergsounds good!14:30
yankcrimeta tobberydberg14:30
tobberydbergShould we change moderator for that session?14:30
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tobberydbergzhipeng: maybe you can send email to speakers and change your self to Nick? Put yourself or me as co-moderator?14:31
zhipengi think we could just add co-moderators14:32
zhipengsince the forum session technically do not have speaker role14:32
yankcrimeit'll probably just be us lot anyway ;)14:32
zhipengjust bunch of moderators :P14:32
yankcrimei did see rmart04 at the london openstack meetup last night and mentioned this session to him so hopefully he'll be coming along14:33
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yankcrimeand i'm sure mariano from enter will be in it too14:33
tobberydbergI will try to drag some people in there as well14:33
zhipengfrom enter´╝č14:33
tobberydbergAnything else regarding the forum?14:34
zhipengyankcrime thx14:35
tobberydbergor leave it for my APs and take it from there?14:35
zhipengdo we need a AP here ?14:36
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tobberydbergwas thinking about the APs that I got - creating etherpads etc etc14:37
tobberydbergso no new AP14:37
Neptuhej monasca meeting in 20?14:37
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tobberydberg#topic Status of goals14:38
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zhipengNeptu you are crashing meetings dude :P14:38
tobberydbergWe have some goals stated in the wiki14:38
zhipengand yes I think monasca is next :)14:38
Neptuzhipeng: thanks I wait14:38
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tobberydbergthe creation of case studies has no progress I believe14:39
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yankcrimehmm, what were we waiting on there?14:40
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tobberydbergnothing actually14:40
tobberydberglast thing was that we agreed on using the template used by product wg14:40
yankcrimewe had the template sorted yeah?14:40
yankcrimeso just volunteers to draft a couple of them then? :)14:41
tobberydbergBut, regarding template, we should use the same as product wg is using14:42
tobberydbergI think the one you sent is the same basically14:42
zhipengI think PWG recently changed user story repo14:42
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yankcrimewhat were these use-cases feeding into again exactly?14:43
tobberydbergyou mean which git-repo?14:44
yankcrimei guess i mean, what's the point of them?14:44
yankcrimeso the other case studies that have been produced by other working groups, who ended up reading them and what was the feedback?14:46
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tobberydbergwell, that I'm note sure of14:47
yankcrimeunderstanding the audience and what we hope to achieve by producing them is pretty important14:47
yankcrimei know it's been a suggested goal for a while, i just can't recall exactly what the backstory to the suggestion was...14:47
tobberydbergI will have to look in the meeting log14:48
yankcrimei've just been looking back now - i think it might have come from flanders14:49
tobberydbergIdentifying and describing missing features for public cloud providers....that was my thought of it14:49
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zhipengI think feedback has generally not been very good14:50
zhipengas far as user story concerned14:50
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yankcrimebecause of the content zhipeng, or because of the concept as a whole?14:50
tobberydbergDamn, will have to run here in a couple of minutes...can someone of you wrap it up? Can I change moderator?14:50
zhipengyankcrime I think it is just too much of a burden for the developers and PTLs to look deep into them14:51
zhipengtobberydberg you could end the meeting first14:51
yankcrimezhipeng: understandable14:51
tobberydbergSo, I guess we will meet in Boston next time! Bi-weekly meeting at site?14:52
yankcrimemaybe we park that as a goal for now, or at least have an action to better understand the value of writing them14:52
zhipengthat'd be wonderful14:53
yankcrimesounds good tobberydberg!14:53
zhipengyankcrime agree14:53
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tobberydbergYes, lets talk about that and a lot more in Boston! Thanks for today guys!14:53
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yankcrimelooking forward to it - safe travels and see you in boston!14:53
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tobberydbergThe same to you!14:54
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rbrndt#startmeeting monasca15:00
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rbrndtI see we have something on the agenda this time, specifically the keystone uwsgi item15:02
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witekyes, it's a little more than this actually15:02
NeptuI have one more item to discuss15:02
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NeptuJose Romero from op515:03
rbrndtAlright, well perhaps we can start with the keystone item on the agenda first, which is also from you?15:03
rbrndtTake it away15:03
witekKeystone is from me15:04
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rbrndtSorry, I was just going off who entered it on the agenda15:04
witekwe have investigated failing gate jobs in the last week15:04
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witekand found out that devstack moved to using uwsgi15:04
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witekkeystone and other services are hosted on apache now with port 80 and aliases15:06
witekTomasz and Artur try to adapt the devstack plugin to reflect that15:07
witekbut we still have errors on Java tempest tests15:08
witekso the current status is, that for about two weeks now we cannot merge anything because of failing tempests15:09
witekpython looks good now, Java still not ready15:10
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rbrndtDo you have some output or a failing review with the errors from the java side? Would be good to have on the meeting record15:10
witekI was wondering if we could set Java tempests as non-voting until we solve the issue?15:10
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rbrndtI'm generally against turning off tests, because it is very easy to never turn them back on.15:12
rbrndtThat being said, we have been planning on moving away from java, and most new features are not planned to be added to the java side15:14
rbrndtAnyone else have an opinion?15:15
witekI generally agree with you about switching off the tests not being goot, but it is quite a blocker at the moment15:16
rbrndtAlright, well I think Roland should probably way in on this, but if you want to submit a review to change the tests to non-voting perhaps we can discuss more there15:18
Neptufor my prespective as new java is only necesary for legacy then... we had this problem this week and we checkout a a previos version of devstack15:18
Neptuwhich is not best but helps to have it all working15:19
rbrndtThe java has long been a bit of a thorn in the side when dealing with devstack and CI, so dealing with it in a long term solution could be very helpful15:20
rbrndtAny last thoughts on that topic?15:21
witekI will add the change to project-config and let's discuss in review15:22
rbrndtSounds good. That covers the agenda then. Neptu, you had another topic?15:22
rbrndtty witek15:22
Neptuwe just got started with monasca here at op5 to use it as core of one of the new products15:23
Neptuso we have been analizing the different parts15:23
Neptuand we see an issue with influxdb15:23
Neptusince after version 0.9 the cluster side is paid version15:23
Neptuso we cannot really scale up monasca without paying licences15:23
Neptuand I was wondering ig there is something on the roadmap15:24
Neptuto add support for cluster of the metridb throw another persistor to ... other metric db15:24
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rbrndtThat is something that has been a bother for a while. We've explored several options, with cassandra being the most promising15:25
rbrndtHowever, there are issues with the data model required for cassandra at higher metrics loads. It seems not viable for large scale.15:26
Neptugraphite cairos maybe?15:26
Neptudonno i just want to undestand that is not an stopper and we could integrate with something else semi-easily15:27
Neptuwe are 3 ingeneers now in the project and growing but we lack the experience on monasca15:27
Neptubut we could code another persistor if its a must15:27
rbrndtLet me see if I can find some documentation of our research into cassandra. Modifying the persister should be the easy part15:28
Neptui think so15:28
rbrndtThe API needs a new respository as well which is a little more involved, but still very doable15:28
rbrndtThe real key is the data model15:28
rbrndtThe API is setup to slice and dice the data a lot of different ways, which doesn't work well in cassandra15:29
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rbrndtand most other cassandra based options15:29
witekNeptu: which data rates are you aiming, how many metrics/s do you want to store?15:30
rbrndtWe had vertica integrated for a while, but that is also a paid option15:30
Neptuso you kind of build different representation of the same data15:30
Neptuwitek: conceptually management is talking about 9M /minute15:30
rbrndtGood question wwitek15:30
Neptumaybe more15:30
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NeptuI know from some other companies had that done with monasca here in stockholm15:31
Neptuso should be duable with influx15:31
Neptubut maybe we do not have influx any more15:31
rbrndt9M /minute is about ...15:31
rbrndt150,000 / sec15:32
Neptu9M/minute is a buzzword here in the office15:32
rbrndtthat's generally higher than we've run monasca before15:32
witekInfluxDB reported 900k/s on single node15:32
Neptuor Kbps15:32
rbrndtIn our testing, influx has been significantly lower than the 900k /s15:32
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Neptui mean at this point i have no requirement of how many instances i need to spin to get the job done15:33
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Neptuthe question is with a single machine is a bottlenek for sure15:33
witekfor HA you can use influxdb-relay or kafka15:34
rbrndtIn deed. I think the simplest answer (though not the easiest) is if you can find a replacement, we'd love to have a non-paid one.15:34
Neptubut influx is used only for storage or aswell runs statistics and searches...15:35
Neptui have experience with mongodb but might not be the best one15:35
Neptui would like to further talk with someone that has the experience15:35
Neptuso we can maybe solve this somehow15:35
Neptuwe can allocate resources probably for it15:35
Neptuis a question of proper guidance15:36
Neptuso we do code and recode 10 times before is workcable15:36
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rbrndtI would be happy to talk to you about it in more detail sometime. I can also raise this to roland who probably has the data from our week investigating cassandra15:36
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Neptupop me a mail and we continue from there15:37
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rbrndtSounds good.15:37
witekplease put me on cc15:37
Neptuwill be nice if you had a #monasca channel15:37
Neptuim always on irc15:38
witek#openstack-monasca :)15:38
rbrndtYou can usually find me in the monasca channel if you have quick questions15:38
Neptuyes i will add it to my znc15:38
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rbrndtAlright, I think that wraps that up for now. Anyone else have any topics? Open floor15:38
Neptuthanks so we continue from there15:38
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witekI wanted to ask, who will attend the Summit?15:39
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scI'm going15:39
rbrndtI was mistaken in the last meeting, Roland will be attending as usual15:39
jamesg_Dan and myself (from Suse) will be going15:40
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witeksc: I'm sorry, I cannot 'decode' your nick :(15:41
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scwitek: NP, if you need help for the training session just drop me an email15:42
witekCristiano and me will join from Fujitsu EST15:42
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witeksc: thanks, I'm still working on material15:42
harukiWitek: as you know, I will join from Fujitsu Japan15:42
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scwitek: I'm starting to prepare my slides tomorrow ;-)15:43
rbrndtHope it goes well15:43
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rbrndtOk, well any more topics?15:44
rbrndtif not we can all have 15 minutes back15:44
witekthank you Ryan15:44
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rbrndtThanks everyone15:45
scsee you15:45
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markvoelker#startmeeting interopwg16:00
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markvoelker#chair eglute hogepodge16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:01
markvoelker#link Today's Agenda16:01
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markvoelkerHi folks, take a quick look over today's etherpad and add anything we missed16:02
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markvoelker#topic 2017.08 Guideline16:03
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markvoelkerFirst up, Nova16:04
hogepodgeI've made no changes16:04
hogepodgesince last week :-/16:04
markvoelkerhogepodge: we had some notes last week about suspend/resume not being implemented across virt drivers.  I didn't see anything else in the patch that raised eyebrows for me.16:05
zhipengI posted the comments in the last meeting16:05
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hogepodgeI'll get it done today.16:06
hogepodgemarkvoelker: question, do we have the new repo? Do we need to adjust out git review to account for that?16:06
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markvoelkerAnything else on hogepodge: Yes, we do have a new repo.  But I think the outstanding patches were migrated over automatically, so should be a no-op16:07
markvoelkerThat patch for nova scoring is already against openstack/interop instead of openstack/defcore for example16:07
hogepodgeok, cool16:07
markvoelkerAnything further on nova?16:08
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markvoelkerOn to Cinder then16:08
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markvoelker#link Cinder scoring16:08
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markvoelkerI think here again the changes were pretty noncontroversial...I'll +2/+A if nobody has any final remarks16:09
* markvoelker hears crickets16:10
markvoelkerOk, in it goes16:10
markvoelkerOn to Glance16:11
mguineyno changes there16:11
markvoelker#link Glance scoring16:11
markvoelkerOn this one we're not actually introducing any new required/advisory capabilities, so unless someone strongly thinks there's something missing I think we're about ready to go16:12
markvoelkerAnything folks want to discuss?16:12
markvoelkerOK then, I'll leave it to eglute or hogepodge to land it when they're ready then16:13
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markvoelker#link Neutron scoring16:13
eglutethanks mguiney!16:13
eglutemarkvoelker Neutron patch looks good to me!16:14
egluteif others review it, we can land it today.16:14
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markvoelkerNothing very controversial here.  I may still do a follow-up patch for the LBaaS stuff but I'm tusseling a bit with the Octavia/classical LBaaS split16:14
markvoelkerI'm sort of tempted to make that a note in the BoD report actually16:14
egluteoh actually there is a typo i think16:15
egluteyear should be 2017.08?16:15
zhipengcould we leave it open for review at least before the end of the week ?16:15
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eglutezhipeng sure16:15
markvoelkerDoh, you're right16:15
zhipengthx :)16:16
eglutethanks markvoelker!16:17
markvoelkerOn to Swift?16:17
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markvoelker#link Swift Scoring16:18
egluteno updates tehre16:18
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markvoelkerYep, here again just some score changes and no capability changes.  If no final objections I'll land it.16:18
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eglutethank you markvoelker16:19
markvoelkerOK, done16:19
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markvoelkerOn to Keystone16:19
markvoelker#link Keystone scoring16:20
markvoelkerThis is another minor scores tweak (but needs rebasing)16:21
eglutei think it is missing .json update16:21
eglutesome advisory moving to required?16:21
markvoelkerThere is one advisory capability (list projects) in 2017.0116:22
markvoelkerluzC: any reason not to move that to required?16:23
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eglutemarkvoelker luzC i think we can move it to required16:24
markvoelkerHmm, Luz isn't around today.  Ok, eglute how about commenting on the patch and we'll take it up in Gerrit16:24
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egluteyes, i will!16:25
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markvoelkerWe also had talked a bit about catalog standardization here.  Hogepodge, guessing that's going to be a next-time-around thing so we can write a test?16:26
hogepodgeyup, I need to stop overestimating my ability to deliver on so much. Still haven't looked at the test16:26
markvoelkerMight be worth also including a note in the BoD report even if we don't try to write a test and make it advisory in the next <very small amount of time>16:26
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Rockygjust got a new comment on this one... says the capabilty flagged as admin only isnt16:26
hogepodgei think that's a good idea16:27
markvoelkerOk, anything else on scoring today?16:27
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markvoelkerAlrighty then...16:28
egluteNot from me! thanks everyone for working on scoring!!!16:28
markvoelker#topic Name CHange16:28
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markvoelkerInfra did the gerrit downtime and landed our name change patch last week!16:28
markvoelkerSo note that our repo is now at rather than /defcore16:29
markvoelkerI took the liberty of updating a few outstanding things in the wiki once that landed16:29
markvoelkerI also did a cursory sweep of some of our in-tree docs and I think we're in pretty good shape16:29
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eglutethank you markvoelker for working on this!!!!16:30
markvoelkerIf anyone spots anything remaining, please feel free to edit the wiki/submit a patch/shout so one of us can fix it16:30
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eglutethanks markvoelker!16:30
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markvoelkerAnything else on the name change?  If not we can finally drop this off the agenda as a standing item I think. =p16:31
eglutethanks everyone!!!16:31
catherineD|2RefStack has merged all the necessary patches for DefCore name changed16:31
catherineD|2the website will be updated this Friday16:31
markvoelkercatherineD|2 excellent16:32
eglutethank you catherineD|2!!16:32
markvoelker#topic Summit16:33
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markvoelkerLast call for session topics!16:33
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markvoelker#link Session topics16:33
markvoelkerI think we've captured all the interop-related talks in today's meeting etherpad16:35
eglutewe will have 1.5 hours on thursday morning16:35
markvoelkerPlease note that there will also be another interop challenge during the main keynotes16:35
eglutei will be sending out invites to the mailing list16:35
* eglute needs to prep for the challenge!16:35
markvoelkerAnything else on Boston?16:36
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eglutewhen are forum sessions?16:37
catherineD|2about the RefStack related session
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catherineD|2we discuss last week at the end of the meeting ...16:38
eglutethanks catherineD|216:38
catherineD|2since this session is related to the Schema 2.0 which has not merged16:38
catherineD|2personally, I feel like to cancel this session if possible ..16:39
hogepodgecatherineD|2: I think we can do the talk with the broad strokes of the new program structures16:39
catherineD|2hogepodge: in that case do we need to change the description of the session ..16:39
* markvoelker is not presenting this one and is happy to defer to those that are16:39
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hogepodgecatherineD|2: speaker support can help us do that16:40
hogepodgethat does kgarloff think?16:41
catherineD|2hogepodge: alright16:41
catherineD|2hogepodge: I have not got any response from kgarloff:16:41
hogepodgecatherineD|2: want to talk about this after the meeting?16:42
catherineD|2hogepodge: sure thx16:42
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markvoelkerOK, anything else folks?16:43
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markvoelkerIf not I think we're pretty much at the end of the agenda16:43
markvoelkerHearing nothing, I move to adjourn. =)16:44
markvoelkerAlrighty then, I think we're done...thanks everyone!16:44
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eglutethanks markvoelker!16:45
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zhipengthx markvoelker16:45
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dansmith#startmeeting nova_cells17:00
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dansmith#topic testing/bugs17:00
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dansmithI have made some tweaks to the devstack patch for multicell, but have been super distracted with other stuff lately17:01
dansmithI think I have a new failure to go address, but I haven't looked closely17:01
dansmithanything new on bugs?17:01
mriedemi don't have anything17:01
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dansmith#topic open reviews17:02
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dansmiththe big news here is melwitt's quotas patch set17:02
dansmithwhich is just itching for reviews17:02
dansmithjaypipes told me this morning he was going to be working through those17:02
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dansmithanything else on open reviews?17:03
dansmithmost of the critical bits of my multicell series has landed17:03
dansmithso just a few stragglers there, some cleanups and will eventually start trying to stack a few performance improvements in there17:04
dansmithokay then17:04
dansmith#topic open discussion17:04
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dansmithwe're making great time here17:04
dansmithanyone have anything here?17:04
mriedemi need to start the api changes for the uuid in os-hypervisors,17:04
mriedembut also distracted with other stuff17:04
dansmithokay then I guess if there's nothing else..17:05
dansmithone more meeting before forum17:05
melwittyikes, time is flying17:06
dansmithI will try to have my slides ready for wider review by then and let you people rip them up17:06
dansmithaight then, here goes...17:07
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robcresswell#startmeeting horizon20:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 26 20:04:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)"20:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:04
robcresswellSo, the meeting bot might get muddled; I just started it in openstack-meeting by accident20:04
robcresswellwas wondering where everyone was :)20:04
robcresswellHey everyone20:04
robcresswell#topic Notices20:05
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robcresswellThere's a couple of things I wanted to raise20:05
robcresswellFirstly, I'll be away the next 2 weeks, so there'll be no meeting; I'll send out an email as well20:06
robcresswellOne of those weeks is the summit, so I would expect a lot of disruption anyway20:06
robcresswellThe second item is really an appeal for longer term contributors20:07
robcresswellDespite Horizons activity levels seeming sort of high at a surface level, we're really struggling for people with long term commitments to maintain the codebase20:07
robcresswell& who understand large portions of the code20:07
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robcresswellIf you're interested in becoming core and have the time to commit from your employer etc, please get in touch20:08
robcresswellI know a couple have messaged recently and I'll be following up with them too20:09
jeremy_moffittdo you have any suggestions for how to build that expertise other than just spending more time on it for now?20:09
robcresswellThings that I found really useful in terms of building relevant knowledge was reviewing the bug list itself, and then picking out items I knew almost nothing about and fixing them20:09
robcresswellReading the bugs gives you a much better grasp of what Horizon is really missing; there is tons of feedback and discussion in there.20:10
david-lylereviews help too, same idea pick an area you don't know much about and try to dig deep enough to feel comfortable with the review20:10
rdopieraI find the comments of other people in the reviews very helpful20:11
david-lylevery slow at first, admittedly20:11
david-lyleask questions20:11
robcresswellYeah. And please don't hesitate to give a +1 We totally understand that its a learning process and don't expect reviews to always be perfect/correct20:11
robcresswellbut if you do nothing, we have no way of gauging how to teach20:11
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jeremy_moffittsound like good suggestions, thanks!20:12
robcresswellSo just review to the best of your knowledge, and then give that +/-1. Check the comments from other reviewers and you'll see what you missed :)20:12
robcresswellThats all from me anyway in terms of announcements; did anyone have anything else? Otherwise we can just have open discussion.20:13
robcresswell#topic Open Discussion20:14
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david-lyleare people coming to the forum?20:14
guglyou mean summit?20:15
david-lyledo we have meeting times and rooms allocated?20:15
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david-lyleit's the forum now20:15
david-lylebut yes20:15
david-lylebecause name changes = progress :)_20:15
rdopiera"summit" was such a vulgar name20:15
guglI will be there you have any events list for horizon?20:15
jeremy_moffittsomeone should update the url  ;-)20:15
robcresswellThe only sessions we have are project/ops feedback and the project update20:16
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ying_zuoI will be there too :)20:16
david-lylewe should at least have a F2F20:16
robcresswellface to face?20:17
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robcresswellsomething casual? bar?20:18
robcresswellOr were you looking for a more formal event at the summit to chat Horizon20:18
robcresswellNot sure we'll be able to find official space at the summit at this point20:19
david-lyleI'm sure there's place to meet20:19
robcresswellbut we could definitely all get together for dinner or something20:19
robcresswellI'll get in touch with the foundation and see20:19
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robcresswelland send out an email about arranging an evening to get together20:20
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david-lylethanks robcresswell20:21
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guglsounds good!20:22
robcresswellIf anyone wants any further advice on reviewing, bug fixing, learning, other contribution, please just ask. I'm usually on IRC if I'm awake.20:23
guglok...will bug ya20:24
rdopieraI was thinking about proposing some kind of a mentoring program, but then I realized we will do that on IRC anyways20:24
robcresswellOh, and one thing I found reeeeally handy when I joined Horizon was just jumping in on IRC to dig into people's bugs. There were a number of things I found, or bugs confirmed just by quick discussions20:24
rdopierayou just have to ask20:24
robcresswellrdopiera: Yeah, we're generally one of the more responsive channels with helping people20:25
robcresswellrdopiera and david-lyle are both cores too, if people didn't know20:25
robcresswellalthough david is more like a grand-core...20:25
diablo_rojo_phonrobcresswell: for a place to meet to talk about stuff there are the hacking rooms we have set aside.20:26
jeremy_moffittwhats the preferred process for getting +2s on changes that have a lot of +1s? I understand this dovetails into the issue from earlier... feels inappropriate to pester the couple of cores that are around a lot about every change, but theres a big backlog on gerrit of stuff waiting for core reviews20:26
david-lylediablo_rojo_phon, perfect20:26
robcresswelldiablo_rojo_phon: oo, hacking rooms? Did I miss an email?20:26
rdopierajeremy_moffitt: pestering is the only way, though20:26
diablo_rojo_phonrobcresswell: I can pm you the link to sign up when I get back to my laptop :) It was in an email to the ml too.20:26
diablo_rojo_phonWent out a few weeks ago.20:26
robcresswelljeremy_moffitt: If its been sat a couple of weeks, pester20:27
diablo_rojo_phonIt's just an ethercalc20:27
diablo_rojo_phonSetup like the reservable rooms at the ptg.20:27
robcresswelldiablo_rojo_phon: I'll have a look, thanks!20:27
rdopiera*especially* if it has +1s already20:27
david-lylejeremy_moffitt, also raising wayward reviews in this part of the meeting is acceptable20:27
robcresswell+1 david-lyle20:27
jeremy_moffittok! I just dont want to become mosquito noise20:27
diablo_rojo_phonFound the link:
diablo_rojo_phonFor the sign up anyway.20:28
david-lylejeremy_moffitt, honestly we overlook things, reminders are not bad.20:28
robcresswelldiablo_rojo_phon: Awesome, thanks20:29
david-lylehourly reminders are another story20:29
jeremy_moffittgreat, thanks! delicate balancing act :)20:29
david-lylesomeone will politely let you know if it's too much20:29
robcresswellHonestly, unless its been <48 hours or something, I would prefer noise and requests to silence and frustrated bug fixers.20:29
david-lyle< or >20:30
david-lylewhich way is the alligator ?20:30
jeremy_moffittI got what he's saying, if the last pester was less than 48 hours ago, wait it out a smidge20:30
jeremy_moffittotherwise, gentle reminders are acceptable20:30
robcresswellyeah :) or the patch is less than 48 hours old is actually what I meant :)20:30
david-lylerobcresswell's tired, so I kid20:30
robcresswellYeah I did doubt myself haha20:30
robcresswellI'll check when there are no obvious collisions and put something in the ethercalc for Horizon then20:31
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david-lylethat would be a great time to talk about future direction, so if you have things you're wanting in Horizon, that will be a great time to get agreement20:33
david-lyleor at least raise awareness20:33
robcresswellabsolutely. We also have an ops/plugin feedback session, so if you're an operator or building a plugin, that would be a good thing to go to20:34
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robcresswellI think we can call it there, if nobody has anything further?20:35
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robcresswellThanks everyone!20:36
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