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dtroyeranyone here for osc meeting?13:02
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RuiCheno/13:03
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient13:04
openstackMeeting started Thu May  4 13:04:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'13:04
dtroyerHi Rui13:04
dtroyerso I did something without asking you first…13:04
dtroyerwelcome to the core team13:04
RuiChenHi, see the mail, thank you13:04
RuiChenI will try my best to do it13:05
dtroyerThis may be short if it is just us13:06
dtroyer#topic releases13:06
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dtroyerI released osc 3.10.0 yesterday and have one bug to fix already, so 3.11.0 will be out today13:06
RuiChenseems only us, I think others might prepare the summit :)13:06
dtroyerthere was an issue in the Ironic gate that was fixed overnight13:06
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/462423 is trying to get merged13:07
RuiChenyes, I see the bug describe https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/168819413:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1688194 in python-openstackclient "3.10.0 release openstack port list failing if nova not installed" [Undecided,New]13:07
RuiChenironic standalone + neutron13:07
dtroyersince we also merged a global requirements update the next release must be 3.11.0 rather than 3.10.113:08
dtroyerso I'd like to not merge those immediately after releases now13:08
dtroyerthe same thing happened with osc-lib13:08
RuiChenagree13:08
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dtroyerI just released 1.6.0 this morning, when it would have been 1.5.2 if a g-r update had not also been merged13:09
dtroyerbut the osc-lib 1.5.1 and os-client-config 1.27.0 releases last week let me move forward in taking stuff out of OSC now that was moved into those libs13:10
dtroyerthat's all I had for releases.  any questions?13:11
RuiChenno13:11
dtroyer#topic reviews13:11
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dtroyerSince we lost a number of people with the end of OSIC we have a few open reviews that are now orphaned13:12
dtroyerI've been through most of them and have a short list that we need to get some prioritization on from the projcts13:12
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RuiChenI can continue part of these works, but I don't know which is osic stuff13:13
dtroyerof course13:13
dtroyerthe ones I have are:13:14
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/38572913:14
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/44975713:14
dtroyer(those two are ankur-gupta-f4's)13:14
RuiChenyeah, have mark it in my gerrit13:15
dtroyerthe first one is one that probably needs to be worked first13:15
RuiChen:-)13:15
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dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/421585 is justin's andneeds the microversion stuff I am still working on13:15
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/447068 is ankur-gupta-f4's Octavia plugin, I'll check with the Octavia PTL nexxt week about priorities, etc13:16
dtroyerthose are the ones that stood out to me13:16
RuiChenok, one my colleage do some works about Ocatavia, might I can pull him in13:17
dtroyerI also have a list that were waiting on releases of other things to be in global requirements that I'll try to get restarted this week yet13:17
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dtroyermost of the Octavia work is in the plugin itself, that's what I want to check with Michael about.  I'd rather not merge the OSC bits (just doc stuff) until I know that plugin is close to release13:18
RuiChenmake sense13:19
dtroyerthat was my list of reviews, do you have any to talk about?13:20
RuiChenno for me13:21
RuiChensorry, only one I get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459667/13:22
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RuiChenabout live migration options13:22
RuiChennow we can specify target host for cold and live migration13:23
dtroyerok, I'll have a look at that13:23
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RuiChenthank you, now no for me :-)13:23
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dtroyerok, that was all I had too.13:24
dtroyerno meeting next week during Summit13:24
dtroyerthe osc project update session is Wed at 2:40pm13:25
RuiChenget it, so sad, I will not attend the summit13:26
dtroyerI am sorry to hear that13:27
RuiChenBut I will get the session video13:27
dtroyerhopefully it will all be things you already know13:27
dtroyermostly stuff about the plans for the 4.0 release later in the summer, where we'll be doing some incompatibly CLI changes13:28
dtroyerand how we will manage the development using a feature branch13:28
dtroyerso we are not toally blocked like last year with the osc-lib split13:29
RuiChensounds great13:29
dtroyerok, we can end early then13:29
dtroyerthank you for all of your contributions Rui, we really appreciate it13:30
dtroyerand welcome again to the core team13:30
RuiChenglad to hear that, good luck in summit13:30
dtroyerthank you13:30
dtroyer#endmeeting13:30
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openstackMeeting ended Thu May  4 13:30:42 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:30
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RuiChenthank you, Dean13:30
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-05-04-13.04.log.html13:30
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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  4 14:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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toskyo/14:00
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tellesnobregaI believe that it will only us three today14:02
tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:02
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tellesnobregaI've been mostly preparing for summit, project updates and sahara onboarding14:02
vgridnevI think that Evgeny and Alina started their travel to US, yes14:02
vgridnevNothing from me14:02
toskyI'm working on the jobs for sahara-image-pack; the first change is going to be merged (thanks tellesnobrega and vgridnev),14:03
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toskyI'm going to submit the change for project-config14:03
tellesnobregaI talked with tosky yesterday, for the onboarding I'm planning to teach show a little of the sahara architecture and how to find important bits in the code and after create a fake plugin just for playing14:03
tellesnobregaI also talked with marianne today (she worked on the pluggability refactoring), she will be in boston, so if we have time, I'll have her talk a little about that change and how to add new data sources and job types14:04
tellesnobregajob binaries14:04
tellesnobregathat should fill up the 40 minutes we have14:05
toskydefinitely14:06
toskyand it will be a good review for the existing fake plugin, which you will most likely recheck to prepare the demo14:07
tellesnobregayes14:07
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tellesnobregaI don't have any other update now14:09
tellesnobregawe won't have meeting next week, I will send an email on the mailing list about that14:09
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tellesnobregatosky, can you chair the meeting after that?  May 18th?14:10
toskyyes, sure, I can14:10
tellesnobregathanks14:10
toskyoh, update14:10
toskyI sent the email to openstack-infra, as you have seen (I think I copied everyone)14:10
toskybut no answers so far14:10
toskymaybe a ping now is a bit useless given the summit, so if you see someone from infra at the Summit, please remind them about that email14:11
toskythe topic was about the space for the generated images14:11
tellesnobregasure, do you know any names that I should look for?14:11
tellesnobregajust so I have a better chance to find them14:12
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tellesnobregahey jeremyfreudberg, any updates from youw14:13
tellesnobrega?14:13
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jeremyfreudbergbusy with internal stuff right now, I guess the only thing to mention right now are some bugs I submitted a while ago about cinder v3 support in sahara14:15
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, can you put the links here? I will check them out14:15
jeremyfreudbergsure14:15
toskytellesnobrega: cdent was the one how suggested the email, but I think anyone from infra should at least be able to say "talk to him/her"14:15
tellesnobregatosky, great, I will try to find someone14:16
jeremyfreudberg# link https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/168015714:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1680157 in Sahara "Sahara needs support for Cinder API v3" [Undecided,New]14:16
jeremyfreudberg# link https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/167853414:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1678534 in Sahara "[UI] Cinder options unavailable for node group if volume v1 unavailable" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jeremy Freudberg (jfreud)14:16
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, thanks14:17
tellesnobregaI will take a look to triage them14:18
jeremyfreudbergnice14:18
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tellesnobregaprobably at the summit or after it14:18
tellesnobregabut will take a look14:18
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tellesnobregado we have anything else to cover?14:20
toskyjust a note about the project-config patch that I'm going to send (mostly for vgridnev :)14:20
vgridnevok, add me as reviewer14:20
jeremyfreudbergwas going to ask tellesnobrega if there is any planned team activity during the summit besides the onboarding session14:20
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toskyI will rename the existing jobs from14:20
toskygate-sahara-buildimages-<plugin>-<distro>14:21
toskyto gate-sahara-buildimages-pack-<plugin>-<distro>14:21
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toskyand put two 'pack' jobs in the experimental queue for now for sahara14:21
toskybut you will see14:21
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, I don't think we do, there will be only a few of us there, we didn't propose forum sessions, so, mainly find interesting topics to watch14:22
toskywell, if you want to organize a coding session there, no one will stop you :D14:22
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tellesnobregathere is an interesting one on Thursday afternoon, that they requested a person from sahara to be there14:22
tellesnobregaI will paste here14:23
jeremyfreudbergsure14:23
jeremyfreudbergtosky, ha, it's my exam week at university at the same time, so not trying to do too much work14:23
toskyah, I see14:23
toskyjeremyfreudberg: no "software engineering" exams where you use the fixed bugs as project? :D14:24
jeremyfreudbergtosky, I wish14:24
tellesnobregatosky, not a bad idea actually, bet we will see14:25
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tellesnobregawe will have 3 SE there and 2 QE14:25
tellesnobregalets see14:25
toskytake some pictures!14:26
tellesnobrega#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18951/cloud-aware-application-support14:26
tellesnobregathat too14:26
jeremyfreudbergwait, my brain is not really working, who are the two QE?14:26
tellesnobregaAlina and Evgeny14:26
tellesnobregaand there will be me, you (jeremy) and marianne there14:27
jeremyfreudbergoh, I thought Alina was having travel support issues, glad she can come14:27
tellesnobregathey both had some issues, but worked out14:27
jeremyfreudberg:)14:27
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, we might want to check this out too https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18432/14:28
jeremyfreudbergalthough it conflicts with onboarding time :(14:28
tellesnobregathat is what I was going to say14:28
tellesnobregabut we can  work as a team14:29
tellesnobregaif you want to check that out and bring us the information it would be excellent14:29
tellesnobregaand actually it won't conflict because we got the second half of the time slot14:29
tellesnobregaI will be at the onboarding so not to delay, but you can watch that and bring us the feedback and still join the onboarding session no problem14:30
jeremyfreudbergsounds good14:30
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tellesnobregait does sound very interesting for sure14:31
jeremyfreudbergyes, hopefully they do end up open sourcing it and we can provide it as an optional image element14:31
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tosky(in the mean time: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462575/ )14:31
tellesnobregatosky, awesome, thanks14:32
toskyjeremyfreudberg: that would be nice if it a) could work as drop-in replacement of the current one and b) is maintained14:32
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, hopefully we won't be using image elements (DIB) at that point, but I know what you meant14:32
toskyit would solve the issues that we have for example for large files14:32
toskyso please attend :)14:32
tellesnobregatosky, large files are troubling, need to take a look on that14:33
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, yes, we will "pack it in" :), and tosky, for sure14:33
tellesnobregaI guess we can wrap up the meeting. I will see you guys (the ones that are coming) in Boston, for those who are not coming, you will be missed, and please keep the work going, and ping me anytime, if not online just email me14:35
tellesnobregathanks guys14:36
tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:37
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  4 15:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
mlavalle#chair haleyb15:01
openstackCurrent chairs: haleyb mlavalle15:01
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* haleyb takes a seat15:01
mlavalleLOL15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavallePike-2 will be in a little more than a month, June 5 - 915:03
mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html15:03
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mlavalleBoston Summit is next week15:04
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mlavalleI will start the Summit helping the OpenStack Up-stream Institute training new developers joining the community15:05
mlavalleThis training will be over the weekend. I will participate in the session Sunday afternoon and following up with a Neutron on-boarding session on Wednesday15:05
mlavalle#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18713/neutron-project-onboarding15:06
mlavalleif you can attend for the first 15 minutes it would be great15:06
mlavalleThat way the newbies get to meet Neutron team members15:07
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mlavalleAny other announcements?15:07
* haleyb looks at time15:07
haleybit's in my schedule15:08
mlavallethanks!15:08
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:09
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mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161048315:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach)15:09
mlavalleFor this one, the action item is for haleyb and me to remember to discuss with kevinbenton what would a good rollback mechanism should look like15:10
mlavalleNext up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168468215:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1684682 in neutron "DHCP namespace doesn't have IPv6 default route" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:11
mlavalleThis one's priority was increased to High by haleyb recently. Any comments?15:12
haleybi sent out a patch for that, let me find link15:12
mlavalleyeah15:12
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/46188715:12
mlavalleI beat you to it, haleyb15:13
haleybit's blocked until another fix gets in15:13
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/462209/ is holding-up the train15:13
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mlavalleok, will review it when you un-block it15:13
haleybi broke some tests tweaking the dhcp code, and there seems to be a lot of dhcp patches recently15:14
haleybmlavalle: feel free to review the un-blocker too :)15:14
mlavalleyeah, that is what I was thinking15:15
mlavalleI'll look at it today15:15
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/165556715:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1655567 in neutron "DHCPv6 failures with "address already allocated in subnet" error" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:16
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mlavalleI have spent some time this week debugging this one15:16
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mlavalleit might be a problem with the IPAM and SLAAC subnets15:17
mlavalleno proposed fix yet15:17
mlavalleLast one for this week is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168322715:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1683227 in neutron "test_connection_from_same_address_scope failed with: Cannot find device "qg-74372988-7f"" [High,Confirmed]15:18
mlavalleI haven't had time to get to this one. I'll try to take a look soon15:19
mlavalleAny other bugs from the team?15:19
mlavallek, moving on15:21
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:21
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mlavalleAny other topics we should discuss this week?15:21
mlavalleok, thanks for attending15:22
haleybmissed in beginning, but no meeting next week15:22
mlavallehaleyb: yeah, I will send a message to the ML15:22
mlavallehaleyb: and see you in Boston!15:23
haleybmlavalle: yes, see you next week15:23
mlavalle#endmeeting15:23
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cdent#startmeeting api-wg16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  4 16:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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edleafe\o16:00
cdenthello and welcome to this week's api-wg meeting. who is here besides mr leafe?16:00
cdent#chair cdent edleafe16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent edleafe16:00
cdenthmmm, might be able to make it a fast one then16:01
cdent#topic previous meeting action items16:01
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cdent#link previous minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-04-27-16.00.html16:02
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cdentedleafe was supposed to adopt jroll's next_min_version spec and he did \o/16:02
edleafeI changed it a bit16:02
edleafebesides adding the "good until" field, I made adding those fields optional16:03
cdentthe feedback made sense and the fixes did do, unless you change it some more in the past few minutes?16:03
edleafeSince we should have minimum raises very often, it seemed silly16:03
cdentI've given you my disease. I believe you mean shouldn't?16:04
edleafegah, it's contagious!16:04
edleafealthough I ascribe it to having conversations in 5 channels at once'16:04
edleafeonce16:04
cdentthere was no other old business, but I can report that I committed to elmiko that I would have an outline for the BOF next week before next week. thats in progress16:04
cdentthat's my excuse too, but several of those conversations are in my own head16:05
cdent#topic open mic and new biz16:05
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edleafeOh, if I count *those*...16:05
cdent#link monty's discovery stuff #link discovery https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/16:05
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cdent#undo16:05
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/16:05
cdent#link monty's discovery stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/16:05
cdentI bring this up not so much to discuss, unless there's need to, but to point out that it is there and worth some attention. There's related stuff going on over in the service-type-authorty:16:06
cdentAnyone have any other biz?16:07
* edleafe looks around16:07
cdentokay then16:07
cdent#topic guidelines16:07
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cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:07
dtantsuro/16:08
cdenthi dtantsur16:08
cdentI believe we can freeze interop finally16:08
cdent#link interop https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/16:08
edleafeit's already frozen16:08
cdentsigh16:08
edleafeyou mean merge it?16:08
cdentyes16:08
edleafedo you want the honor?16:09
cdentit's your +2 and I'm the author, so probably best you16:09
edleafegotcha16:09
edleafebam!16:09
cdent\o/16:09
cdenteverything else is in progress?16:10
edleafeMostly monty's stuff and the next_min patch16:10
* cdent nods16:11
edleafeI'd like more feedback before freezing next_min16:11
* cdent nods16:11
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* cdent nods16:11
cdenti nod at the people on the tv when I watch16:12
cdent#topic bug review16:12
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cdent#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:12
cdentedleafe: you changed one on head to opinion. i think that was fair and just16:12
cdentbut wondered if you were doing anything in particular that lead to that?16:12
edleafeI was going over the bugs to find something to work on16:13
edleafeI picked https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/159330716:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1593307 in openstack-api-wg "Provide guidance on what HTTP methods should always be supported" [Undecided,New]16:13
edleafeand that nearby comment made me think16:13
* cdent nods16:14
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cdentanything more on bugs?16:14
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:15
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cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter16:15
cdenti'm happy to take it unless you're hungry for it edleafe16:15
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edleafeshould be a short one :)16:15
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edleafeno, I've got a bunch on my plate ATM16:16
cdentroger that16:16
cdentI'll ping you for a proof?16:16
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cdentdtantsur: you have anything to add before we close for the day?16:16
edleafesure16:16
cdentcool, thanks for being here16:17
cdent#endmeeting16:17
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* tbachman waves to SumitNaiksatam 18:00
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: hi18:00
tbachmansorry for being late18:00
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:00
SumitNaiksatamannak: hi18:01
annakhi!18:01
SumitNaiksatami believe rkukura wont be joining today18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May  4 18:01:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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SumitNaiksatamsame agenda as last time, focus on the dual stack spec18:01
tbachman:)18:01
SumitNaiksatam#topic IP v4, v6 dual-stack support proposal18:01
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/45858318:01
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for the updates18:01
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np!18:02
tbachmanThanks for the reviewS!18:02
tbachmanSo, I think we’re getting close here18:02
SumitNaiksatammuch appreciate the effort in trying to pull in all the comments and approach consensus18:02
tbachmannp!18:02
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: definitely18:02
SumitNaiksatami was hoping we would have closed this in today’s meeting18:02
tbachmanI’m going to update the spec with some slight changes18:02
SumitNaiksatambut we dont have rkukura, but i think we got his comments18:02
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tbachmanin order to maintain backward-compatibility, I’m proposing that the ip_pool parameter be changed from a subnet to a string18:03
SumitNaiksatamannak: not sure you got a chance to look at the latest iteration, but i think there should not  be any surprises18:03
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tbachman(in the RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_MAP)18:03
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:03
tbachmanand for multiple prefixes, we’ll just use a string that has prefixes delimited by commas18:03
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SumitNaiksatamannak: if anything, this is ensures even more that we dont break any compatibility18:04
annakSumitNaiksatam: I didn't quite understand the latest rkukura's comment about dependency on the ml2 plugin18:04
SumitNaiksatamannak: ah18:04
SumitNaiksatamthat one is a little confusing18:04
tbachman(e.g. two prefixes would be specified via ‘192.168.0.0/16, 2001:db8:1::/64’, instead of [‘192.168.0.0/16’, ‘2001:db8:1::/64’]18:04
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tbachmanah yes18:04
SumitNaiksatamregarding the default subnetpool18:04
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: may be you can elaborate18:04
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: sure!18:04
tbachmanSo, we were trying to enhance the implicit behavior18:05
tbachmanto enable implicit v4 and v6 subnets18:05
tbachmaninitially we proposed using the implicit subnetpool extension, which was added to neutron18:05
tbachmanbut that’s sort of non-standard neutron semantics18:05
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: added to GBP you mean?18:05
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:06
tbachmansorry18:06
tbachmanadded to GBP, but for neutron workflow, I believe18:06
tbachman(or that was my understanding from rkukura)18:06
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:06
tbachmanrkukura pointed that out — and recommended the idea of using the existing default subnetpools in neutron instead18:06
SumitNaiksatamannak: we are referring to this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419315/18:06
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thx for the link!18:06
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: agree with that, my concern was that implicit subnetpool is ml2plus specific18:07
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:07
SumitNaiksatamannak: are you familiar with the default subnetpool in neutron?18:07
tbachmanRight — SumitNaiksatam: thanks for pointing that out!18:07
annakSumitNaiksatam: no, it looks fairly recent18:08
SumitNaiksatamannak: ah okay18:08
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: perhaps a little bit background on that as well :-P18:08
tbachmanlol18:08
tbachmanI can’t recall the exact reason for that — was it for the “get me a network” workflow?18:08
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thats correct18:09
tbachman(in neutron)18:09
tbachmank18:09
tbachmanThe idea is similar to the implicit subnetpool extension that we added to GBP18:09
tbachmanwhere someone (e.g. an admin) could create a subnetpool and declare it as a “default” pool that others could use for allocation if they didn’t want to declare/specify this themselves18:09
tbachmanHowever, with the default subnetpools, you had to “opt-in"18:10
tbachmanmeaning you had to specify that you wanted allocation from the default subnetpool — this would not happen without indicating such18:10
SumitNaiksatamannak: basically default subnetpool for the legacy usage behavior (where the user is not aware of subnetpools, but the admin still wants subnetpools to be used)18:10
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: ah correct, so might have to amend by statement a bit (about the user not being aware)18:11
tbachmanthe difference between that and the implicit subnetpool extension is that the user would not have to specify the opt-in — they would get an allocation even if they didn’t specify it18:11
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tbachman(assuming that they didn’t provide a prefix explicitly)18:11
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: nice summary!18:11
annakthanks! that clarifies a lot, but the plugin dependency part is still missing :)18:12
tbachmanfor neutron workflow, that is the difference18:12
tbachmanah18:12
SumitNaiksatamannak: but implicit subnetpool is only being used by ml2plus18:12
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: was just about to type that :)18:12
tbachmanthx!18:12
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SumitNaiksatamannak: so for example, in your case, where you are probably using a monolithic neutron plugin, you will not be leveraging this feature18:12
SumitNaiksatam(or rather the extension)18:13
SumitNaiksatamand hence the concern18:13
annakokay, that's because other plugins didn't adopt the extension?18:13
SumitNaiksatamsongole: hi18:13
tbachmanannak: right. We’d like to use standard neutron constructs, where available18:13
SumitNaiksatamannak: thats because the “implicit subnetpool” extension is defined in GBP :-)18:13
songolehi18:13
SumitNaiksatamannak: its a neutron extension but defined in the GBP repo18:14
SumitNaiksatamannak: so yes, other plugins as obviously not using it18:14
tbachmanFor GBP, we were basically already defining the implicit “opt-in”, so we can therefore instead explicitly opt-in with default subnetpools18:14
annaknow I understand :) thanks18:14
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:14
tbachmanannak: gr8! :)18:14
tbachmanI think there are basically now 3 main workflows with the new APIs18:15
tbachman1) The user passes in the subnetpools and address scopes explicitly (v4, v6, or dual-stack)18:15
SumitNaiksatamannak: hence tbachman’s point for actually using neutron’s default subnetpool feature to achieve the same thing, so that its consistent across neutron plugins that are used in the GBP context18:15
annaksorry to take so much time on this, but are the aim and apic plugin normally working above ml2?18:15
tbachmanannak: apic_mapping uses ML2. AIM uses ML2 Plus.18:16
* tbachman hopes SumitNaiksatam will correct tbachman if he’s wrong on that18:16
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thats very correct18:16
SumitNaiksatamannak: ml2plus is basically ml2 with a few enhancements18:16
annaktbachman: thanks, I just assumed cisco-specific plugins there18:17
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SumitNaiksatamannak: the enahncements are made such that we can achieve transactional consistency18:17
tbachmanannak: keep in mind that others using the ml2plus plugin would also have access to these things18:17
tbachman(i.e. tried to keep things generic)18:17
SumitNaiksatamannak: so you yeah you can think of it as another monolithing plugin, but potentially others can use it as well18:17
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: nice18:18
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tbachman2) the user passes in one or more prefixes via the ip_pool parameter, but no subnetpools, etc. In this case, the prefixes will be used to create subnetpools and addres scopes implicitly18:18
annakthat was a big missing part in my head :) thanks for clarifying that18:18
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tbachman3) the user doesn’t pass in any prefix, but a default subnetpool was created; in this case, the default subnetpool is associated with the L3P, and subnets are allocated from it18:18
tbachmanI think those will be the main workflows18:19
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: nice18:19
SumitNaiksatamsummary18:19
SumitNaiksatam(and sorry for interrupting your train of thought earlier)18:19
* tbachman notes there are some details in there, and is happy to field questions on said details :)18:19
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: no, no worries!18:19
SumitNaiksatam(annak ml2plus #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/neutron/plugins/ml2plus/plugin.py)18:19
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thanks for filling in the details as well!18:20
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: these three are captured in the spec update, right?18:20
SumitNaiksatami mean they are enumerated like this, right?18:20
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: if they aren’t, I’ll make sure that they are :)18:20
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks18:20
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np!18:20
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: yeah, clearly laying out like this definitely makes it easier for people to get the larger context18:21
SumitNaiksatamthe spec has two aspects, the api design, and the implementaion design18:21
SumitNaiksatamnot everyone is interested in the latter :-)18:21
SumitNaiksatamand as devs we end up focussing on the latter18:22
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam:  ack18:22
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: so going back to the implicit/default subnetpools18:22
SumitNaiksatamso we are saying now that GBP will internally always use the “default subnetpools” neutron feature?18:23
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I think that’s the proposal, yes18:23
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay, just want to spell out to understand how it works for annak18:24
SumitNaiksatambecause with that implementation we would always be creating a subnetpool for l3p, right?18:24
annakSumitNaiksatam: thanks!18:25
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: only if there is a default subnetpool defined, yes18:25
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: hmm okay, so GBP doesnt create it18:25
SumitNaiksatami mean the default subnetpool18:25
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I was thinking that would/should be a workflow decision18:26
tbachmanbut am open to thoughts there18:26
SumitNaiksatammakes sense18:26
tbachmanThat ends up being important for the implicit workflow18:26
tbachmanWhere you want all v6 addresses allocated from the same scope18:26
SumitNaiksatamso there is still a way to opt out of this behavior, and you get the best of both18:26
tbachmanso that they’re all routable18:26
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam:  ack18:26
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:26
tbachmanSo, if someone has bothered to create a v6 subnetpool from an address scope and marked it as default18:27
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tbachmanif they create an L2P using implicit workflow, the L3P will make sure that it uses this pool and all v6 addresses for that L3 would be allocated from it18:27
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: so i guess there should not be any cause for alarm for annak even if she is not using subnetpools, right?18:27
tbachmanyou mean explicit subnetpools?18:28
tbachmanOr no subnetpools at all?18:28
tbachman(i.e. some other mapping)18:28
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: i meant to say no subnetpools at all, but annak can correct me18:29
annakno subnet pools at all at this point18:29
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: i am saying because today resource mapping is not using the subnetpools18:29
SumitNaiksatamannak: right18:29
tbachmanah, right18:29
tbachmanI guess that’s a different question18:29
SumitNaiksatamand hence i assumed annak is not using it18:29
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: to reframe my question, with the changes that are being proposed, would it immediately break anything in the current state of the resource mapping driver?18:31
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: no.18:31
annakI currently inherit the resource mapping behavior for the connectivity. I plan to try and use them as part of resource mapping in future, I think thats what we want anyway?18:31
tbachmanannak: I think so18:32
SumitNaiksatamin general, we need to move the resource mapping driver to use subnetpools as well, but thats a separate pursuit (which actually should be not be that big an effort)18:32
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: +118:32
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for confirming that18:32
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np!18:32
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: so to summarize, the entire discussion from a backward compat perspective, and in terms of continued usage or extension of the resource mapping driver,18:33
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SumitNaiksatamthere are potentially two places where there will be a slight bit of incompatibility18:34
SumitNaiksatam1. you might start seeing a list of comma separated CIDRs in the ip_pool18:34
tbachman(nit: string of comma-separated CIDRs ;-)18:35
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: ack, thanks :-)18:35
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SumitNaiksatami was going to comment about the subnet_prefix_length, but i guess nothing changes there, right?18:36
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack — we’re holding off on that for now18:36
tbachmanOh18:36
SumitNaiksatami mean with the current iteration18:36
tbachmanThe DB field18:36
SumitNaiksatamyeah18:37
tbachmanforgot about that18:37
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:37
tbachmanin order to accommodate multiple prefixes, the DB entry for ip_pool should be upped — from a String(64) to something like String(256)18:37
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SumitNaiksatambut thats not necessarily backward incompatibility18:37
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:38
tbachmanjust another thing to note18:38
SumitNaiksatamsince it wont break anything for anyone not aware of it18:38
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: sure18:38
tbachmanI’ll update the spec with that as well18:38
SumitNaiksatamthanks18:38
SumitNaiksatami see songole is back, perhaps a few minutes of NFP discussion now18:38
SumitNaiksatamassuming we are done with the dual stack discussion18:38
SumitNaiksatamannak: any more questions/comments on this?18:39
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I think that’s all I had18:39
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks much18:39
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np!18:39
annakSumitNaiksatam: no, I'm good, thanks.18:39
SumitNaiksatamannak: great18:39
SumitNaiksatambased on the discussion so far i am inclined to +2 tbachman’s next iteration18:39
tbachman:)18:39
SumitNaiksatamif there are any concerns, they can be expressed on the review18:39
SumitNaiksatami dont have any at this point18:40
SumitNaiksatamhopefully we can have agreement with other cores and move forward quickly18:40
SumitNaiksatamit should be noted that tbachman you already have the impl patch in review, right?18:40
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack. But I have some changes to make18:41
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay18:41
tbachmanI’m hoping to upload those sometime tonight18:41
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i am guessing that you dont have any objections to the dual stack proposal?18:41
* tbachman notes that ip_pool is used in services too, I believe18:42
songoleSumitNaiksatam: I haven't gone through the proposal. Will do it.18:42
tbachmanproxy18:42
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: oh okay, please do :-)18:42
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: right18:42
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: i cant imagine we are breaking anything with that, but worth a sanity check from songole18:42
SumitNaiksatamsongole: we are kind of behind on this, so a quick read at the earliest will be appreciated18:43
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack. The UTs passed the first iteration. I will make sure they pass the secon one as well.18:43
songoleSumitNaiksatam: ok18:43
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks :-)18:43
tbachmansongole: you may want to wait for my update18:43
tbachmanI’ll expedite that18:43
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: good point18:43
songoletbachman: okay18:43
* tbachman puts on his rocket shoes18:43
tbachmanlol18:44
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: annak: thanks for the discussion on this18:44
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: lol!18:44
SumitNaiksatam#topic NFP patches18:44
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: i provided some review comments on the outstanding patches (on async)18:44
SumitNaiksatami am happy to discuss here18:44
annakI need to leave, thanks for all the explanations!18:44
tbachmanannak: thanks for the input!18:44
songoleSumitNaiksatam: one suggestion you made https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445425/20/gbpservice/neutron/services/grouppolicy/drivers/chain_mapping.py@10518:45
songolecan that be taken up as an enhancement/fix later?18:45
SumitNaiksatamsongole: yeah, i am really not comfortable with the way its implemented currently18:45
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i dont think its a big change to move the model i suggested, it should be fairly quick18:46
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: do you anticipate an issue with making that change?18:46
songoleSumitNaiksatam: I am afraid that people are going on long summer vacation :)18:46
SumitNaiksatamsongole: you mean the author is not vacation right now?18:47
songoleand this requires decent amount of work18:47
songolewhat is the issue with the fix? perhaps we can catch up offline18:48
SumitNaiksatamsongole: thats my point, it doesnt require too much work, its just refactoring of a few methods in that same module18:48
SumitNaiksatamsongole: the issue is that this kind of introspection is brittle, and much cleaner and easier option exists18:49
songoleok18:49
SumitNaiksatamsongole: unless i am missing some basic issue which the author ran into (but rajendra’s review comments do not suggest that)18:50
SumitNaiksatamsongole: lets discuss the logistics offline (vacations issues etc)18:51
songoleok18:51
SumitNaiksatamsongole:  anything to discuss with the other patches?18:51
songoleThey posted a patch for delete. could you review it?18:52
SumitNaiksatamsongole: yeah18:52
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i was hoping to see UTs in this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43847218:52
SumitNaiksatambecause currently the code is not getting exercised18:52
SumitNaiksatami saw the delete patch earlier, but the a bunch of jobs are breaking18:53
SumitNaiksatamhence i was not sure if it was still WIP18:53
songoleyeah18:53
SumitNaiksatamsongole: seems like the nfp gate job is good now, finishing in an hour, thats great!18:54
songoleSumitNaiksatam: it still fails inconsistently. rajendra is looking into it18:54
SumitNaiksatamsongole: right, i did see it fail18:54
SumitNaiksatamsongole: thanks for looking into it!18:55
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songoleSumitNaiksatam: np18:55
SumitNaiksatamsongole: thanks for the discusison on this (and we can continue offline)18:55
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:55
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: annak songole: we will not have the meeting next week since its summit week18:55
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: akc18:55
tbachmanack18:55
SumitNaiksatamunfortunately i wont be able to make it to the summit18:56
SumitNaiksatamannak: tbachman you mentioned you are not going either18:56
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: right, can’t make it this time18:56
SumitNaiksatamsongole: i dont think you are going either18:56
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: is rkukura going?18:56
SumitNaiksatamearlier he had mentioned he was not going to be in boston during that time18:57
songoleSumitNaiksatam: nope, I am not going either18:57
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I think for some of it18:57
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay18:57
SumitNaiksatamsongole: okay18:57
tbachmanI seem to recall he won’t be there Monday18:57
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay18:57
SumitNaiksatamso rkukura will carry our flag at least for some of the summit :-)18:57
SumitNaiksatamwe can stil meet next week if required (since most of us are not going)18:58
tbachman:)18:58
SumitNaiksatambut for now the meeting stands cancelled unless you see an email from me18:58
SumitNaiksatamanything else for today?18:58
SumitNaiksatamalrighty, thanks all for joining!18:58
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thx!18:59
SumitNaiksatambye!18:59
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:59
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