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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 14:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:00 |
| gcb | hi kgiusti | 14:00 |
| kgiusti | hello | 14:00 |
| gcb | thanks for hosting the oslo feedback session | 14:01 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 14:01 |
| lhx_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| kgiusti | gcb: the real work was done by dhellmann - I was just eyecandy... :) | 14:01 |
| bnemec | Heh | 14:02 |
| gcb | welcome everyone :-) | 14:02 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:02 |
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| gcb | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:02 |
| gcb | I just find one http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master/b66b00f/testr_results.html.gz | 14:03 |
| gcb | lhx_: any update about this ? | 14:04 |
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| dims | gcb : o/ | 14:04 |
| gcb | hi dims | 14:04 |
| lhx_ | gcb, I'm looking into it | 14:05 |
| gcb | lhx_: thanks | 14:05 |
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| lhx_ | gcb, it's my duty :) | 14:06 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 14:06 |
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| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/464595 | 14:06 |
| gcb | that's all we plan to release this week | 14:07 |
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| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:07 |
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| gcb | any one want to raise here ? | 14:07 |
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| gcb | #https://review.openstack.org/460112 and https://review.openstack.org/454897 need more attention | 14:08 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:09 |
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| gcb | sorry I can't show up in the summit, I looked at the forum about oslo, seems we got many feedbacks | 14:10 |
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| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Oslo-brainstorming #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS_Forum_Oslo.Messaging_driver_recommendations | 14:10 |
| kgiusti | gcb: yes, there was also a lot of discussion re oslo.messaging: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS_Forum_Oslo.Messaging_driver_recommendations | 14:10 |
| kgiusti | gcb: heh | 14:11 |
| gcb | cool | 14:11 |
| kgiusti | gcb: on the messaging side there was consensus to deprecate pika. | 14:11 |
| gcb | kgiusti, yeah, just saw that. | 14:12 |
| kgiusti | gcb: and some questions regarding finding more contributors to help with kafka and zeromq drivers | 14:12 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: I'm going to ping jharlow about pika (I think he was involved) get his input | 14:13 |
| kgiusti | gcb: then query openstack-dev re: finding folks interested in helping out. | 14:13 |
| gcb | kgiusti, yes, we really need more contributors not only for oslo.messaging. | 14:14 |
| kgiusti | gcb: there was also the general opinion that oslo needs to better communicate new/deprecated/changed features with the operators | 14:14 |
| kgiusti | gcb: via openstack-operators mailing list | 14:15 |
| gcb | kgiusti: ++ | 14:15 |
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| kgiusti | any questions regarding the epad contents? Anything need clarification? | 14:18 |
| gcb | about the pypi, so we would like to support it | 14:19 |
| gcb | s/pypi/pypy | 14:19 |
| kgiusti | gcb: the feedback was that it was tried before and was unstable in the gates, etc | 14:19 |
| kgiusti | gcb: there was a definitive bug in the amqp driver - I was going to work on that. | 14:20 |
| gcb | Is there any consumer of pypy ? | 14:20 |
| kgiusti | gcb: yes - cristicalin has been using it | 14:21 |
| gcb | as I understand, pypy is common requirement for all of OpenStack projects,not only for Oslo :-) | 14:21 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: I wasn't aware of that ! | 14:22 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: is pypy available in CI? | 14:23 |
| gcb | No. I mean if they want to support pypy, they should ask for all of OpenStack projects | 14:24 |
| kgiusti | gcb: ok - I understand, and agree | 14:24 |
| gcb | I would like to talk with dhellmann or infra folks abouth pypy | 14:25 |
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| gcb | okay, any other topics :-) | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | gcb: we dropped pypy gating when we started having issues and there were no interested people fixing gate jobs | 14:27 |
| gcb | dhellmann, so we would like to support it or need more discussion about that ? | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | none of the service projects support it directly, as far as I know | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | it seems to fall into the same category as postgresql, which is it's something people want, but don't want to contribute to | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | it would also delay our moving off of python 2 | 14:30 |
| gcb | I mean in the session, just asked clarkb, same answer , so if we don't plan to support it, then kgiusti don't need fix the gate for oslo.messaging | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | unless they've added python 3.5 support? | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if we have remaining gate jobs and they're failing we can just remove them | 14:30 |
| kgiusti | gcb: true | 14:30 |
| gcb | dhellmann, makes sense | 14:31 |
| kgiusti | gcb: I was more curious of the cause of the failure - I'm not aware of any related issues in the gate(s) | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | I'm not opposed to supporting it, but there need to be people actively doing that. | 14:31 |
| gcb | dhellmann, agree, we need more people | 14:32 |
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| gcb | I have been trying to find more contributors from China, I will attend a bug smash event, there are many developers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou | 14:36 |
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| gcb | hope I can get support from other companies | 14:38 |
| gcb | I think we can end the meeting if no more discussion | 14:38 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:39 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 14:39:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-05-15-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-05-15-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-05-15-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 15:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi all | 15:00 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 15:00 |
| rakhmerov | I'm inviting to join https://nokiameetings.webex.com/nokiameetings/j.php?MTID=ma568fbd65db98eeb7b927ec96a14a018 | 15:00 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:00 |
| rakhmerov | we'll wait a few more minutes if you need to install something | 15:00 |
| thrash | ah | 15:00 |
| rakhmerov | try to connect pls | 15:01 |
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| d0ugal | I'm not sure Linux is supported, which might be more of an issue | 15:01 |
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| thrash | I'm just assuming it isn't... I'm using my phone | 15:01 |
| d0ugal | lol | 15:01 |
| d0ugal | good idea | 15:01 |
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| d0ugal | I think I am in | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | but I can't hear anything | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: but do you see the screen? | 15:03 |
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| d0ugal | no :) | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | I see toure! | 15:03 |
| cloud-flow | We're still havent shared a screen | 15:04 |
| cloud-flow | Waiting for all to join | 15:04 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: now? | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | we're sharing it | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, I can see it - should I have sound? | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | yes ) | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | you can probably call in ) | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | from your phone | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | got it working | 15:05 |
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| d0ugal | this is more confusing that bluejeans :P | 15:05 |
| thrash | i will continue to try... go on without me. | 15:06 |
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| d0ugal | thrash: no man will be left beind! | 15:07 |
| thrash | oh.. I'm in. :) | 15:07 |
| thrash | in chrome. | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | \o/ | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | thrash: mute please | 15:08 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: can you mute? | 15:08 |
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| rakhmerov | feel free to ask questions! :) | 15:20 |
| d0ugal | You just answered mine :) | 15:21 |
| d0ugal | I was going to ask about writing workflows. | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | :)) ok | 15:22 |
| d0ugal | what is the GUI written with? | 15:23 |
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| d0ugal | they look cool :) | 15:26 |
| d0ugal | I do want to see what our workflows look like... | 15:28 |
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| d0ugal | I think we probably all just want to try it out :) | 15:29 |
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| thrash | d0ugal: +1 | 15:30 |
| toure | d0ugal +1 | 15:30 |
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| rakhmerov | :)) | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 15:30 |
| d0ugal | hrm, I should have asked - is there a backend component? or is it just front-end javascript? | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | but it's a POC, and we're going to open source it to make it more production ready | 15:31 |
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| rakhmerov | but I think even now it's usable for much | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | front-end javascript for now | 15:31 |
| toure | rakhmerov would this tie into my work? | 15:31 |
| toure | in regards to the backend | 15:31 |
| d0ugal | For tripleo to use it, for example, we would need it to be packaged up etc. - that could be quite a big job (javascript projects generally have many deps). However, if it was front-end only and we could just quickly use it without much setup it would be useful. | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | toure: I'd say this is going to serve the same general goal "Usability" but I think it's orthogola to what you're doing | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | toure: your work is needed anyway, no matter if CloudFlow is ever released and used by someone | 15:32 |
| toure | ack | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, right | 15:33 |
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| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: I think I need to use it a bit to see how useful it is. | 15:34 |
| rakhmerov | I really believe that we now need to make it a little more usable for large workflows (filters, some topological sorting) and it can be really used in your work | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady_: yes | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | we'll try to make it available sooner | 15:35 |
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| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: I think it's probably a good start, but possibly starting to develop it in an open source way might help bring/refine additional requirements | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:35 |
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| rakhmerov | the thing is that what you saw today was made during a very short period of time (1.5-2 months). Once Guy started working on it (before him it was a different Guy :) ) he made a good progress | 15:36 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: I joined late so I might have missed this - is the intent to keep it standalone or incorporate it into horizon via plugin? | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | so I believe in a month those things that are not 100% ready now can be fixed | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: standalone I think | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | rbrady_: ^ | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I think it's not going to fit into Horizon | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | It needs to work without Horizon/Keystone too. | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | we'll probably place it at github, not in OpenStack community | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:38 |
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| rakhmerov | and it doesn't have to be installed along with Horizon | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | for some who don't want to deal with Horizon | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | this is going to be much lighter | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | We would really need keystone auth :) | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | sure, understandable | 15:39 |
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| rakhmerov | we'll have to implement it | 15:39 |
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| rakhmerov | so, most of the meeting was about CloudFlow, would you like to discuss anything else? | 15:39 |
| rakhmerov | I thought the demo would take about 1 hour so we have some extra time | 15:40 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady_, thrash: maybe you could share what happened at the summit? | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | how your sessions went, what interesting you saw etc ) | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | I'm also wondering about project onboarding session | 15:41 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: project update talk had maybe 10 - 15 people in it. I had a couple of questions from TripleO project with respect to rolling upgrades and a question from an engineer at CERN about a specific use case | 15:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | I think I know this engineer from CERN ) | 15:42 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: the project onboarding started with 3 people, one left when he found out we were not discussing containers and kubernetes | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | :)) haha | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | but even 2 is ok ) | 15:43 |
| rbrady_ | despite the extremely low turnout at the onboarding, I think we had a great conversation with bobh (nokia) | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | yeah? | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | any details that you can share? | 15:43 |
| bobh | rbrady_: Definitely the best 1.5 hours at the summit | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | woow, interesting | 15:43 |
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| rakhmerov | once in a while we communicate with him but I don't know much about what he's doing | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | he reports problems sometimes and I try to help him | 15:44 |
| rbrady_ | we discussed a little bit about the internals of mistral, deployment strategies and performance, jinja vs yaql (performance and lack of docs) | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 15:44 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 15:44 |
| rbrady_ | we also discussed different places where the docs could be improved, examples needed and possible features | 15:45 |
| rbrady_ | I think bobh filed a couple of bugs while we were in the session too :) | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | ooh yeah | 15:45 |
| bobh | I'll have a couple of patchsets ready this week | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | +2000 | 15:46 |
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| rakhmerov | bobh: ooh, I just realized you're here ) | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 15:46 |
| rbrady_ | I was interested to hear that he had the same usage of messaging and error handling in a workflow, even though we both use a different backend for the message transport | 15:46 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: hello | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady_: what messaging do you mean? Mistral transport itself or something that you use as part of your worklflows? | 15:47 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: I'm almost ready to push a change to the AdHoc Actions to allow access to the env() in YAQL/Jinja expressions | 15:47 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: I'd appreciate any feedback - not sure if its the right way to implement or not | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:48 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: we both have a send_message task, tripleo uses zaqar actions, bobh uses redis | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | np, please push them, we'll review and think how to make it the right way | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady_: ooh, got it | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:48 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: I also talked to many people at the summit randomly, in between sessions, at lunch, etc and asked them if they had ever heard of or used mistral. most people did not | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | on Mistral messaging, there are also options, I'm going to write a big section in the docs about it | 15:49 |
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| bobh | I have a redis custom action that I can push into mistra-extra if there is any interest | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady_: it's ok, it's normal. I can say that the number of those who know about it is still pretty big. I attended a session in Atlanta in Feb with people from all kind of teams (Nova, Heat, Magnum etc.) | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | there were 50 people of so of core contributors | 15:51 |
| rakhmerov | and all of them knew Mistral and lots of them used it | 15:51 |
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| rakhmerov | bobh: yes, we are interested. The whole thing is that we're now reworking our actions significantly | 15:52 |
| rakhmerov | part of it is that we're moving OpenStack and other actions to a separate repo, mistral-extra | 15:52 |
| rbrady_ | rakhmerov: I felt it confirmed the goal in the readme about improving the docs and helping people with ideas of how to use mistral | 15:52 |
| rakhmerov | with some refactoring | 15:52 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: ok, will do | 15:53 |
| rakhmerov | I guess that redis action could go there two. We also have other candidates for it, like Ansible etc. | 15:53 |
| d0ugal | That would be cool | 15:53 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady_: absolutely, that's why I keep emphasizing: we're now doing the best job on docs yet | 15:53 |
| rbrady_ | sorry...took longer than I expected and then the meeting popped up | 15:54 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: I think setuptools supports optional requirements, so that if you don't want redis installed you can still install the package | 15:54 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 15:54 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: so please join our discussions if you can/want, it's usually fun and will help you stay tuned ) | 15:55 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: will do - I added it to my reminders :-) | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, great, thank you | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, time to end the meeting? | 15:56 |
| rakhmerov | 3 mins left | 15:56 |
| d0ugal | nothing more from me :) | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | if there's nothing else let's wrap up | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for coming, see you in a week as usually | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | we'll share updates etc. as we usually do | 15:57 |
| rbrady_ | see you next week :) | 15:57 |
| toure | thanks see ya later | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, have a great week | 15:57 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 15:57:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-05-15-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-05-15-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-05-15-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| dtantsur | hi all! who's up for an ironic meeting? :) | 16:59 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 16:59 |
| fultonj | o/ | 16:59 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 17:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| kaifeng | o/ | 17:00 |
| baha | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| fultonj | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | welcome everyone :) | 17:00 |
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| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual can be found at | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:00 |
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| crushil | \o | 17:01 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | #info TheJulia has new logo stickers from the Summit. Please contact her with mailing details and she will mail them out to contributors. | 17:02 |
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| rloo | thx TheJulia | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | thanks TheJulia! I can grab some for the Brno office, I'll send you my details later (if I don't forget) | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:03 |
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| rloo | also, many thx TheJulia for the great ironic demo at the summit last week! | 17:03 |
| aNuposic | thnx TheJulia | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | Email and/or msg, either is fine. juliaashleykreger@gmail.com | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | yes, it was awesome, and really well received (from what I can gather downstream and upstream) | 17:03 |
| ricardoas | o/ | 17:03 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | #info python-ironicclient 1.13.0 released with the driver composition bits | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | Thank you everyone! I was surprised how many people though ti was awesome. :) I'll try to post the scripts in the next day or so | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | yes please :) | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | +1 Thanks TheJulia :) | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | any other announcements, reminders? | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | maybe something important coming from the Forum? | 17:04 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | Nothing that I can think of really, my brain is still unwinding the past week | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | no worries, get some rest first :) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:05 |
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| vdrok | TheJulia: thank you! :) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 93 | 17:06 |
| TheJulia | Many of the deeply overall application account use related discussions end up mostly being unrelated, i.e. the mechanisms will be available via config drive regardless of what is decided. | 17:06 |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I see | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | mjturek, do you think you could trim down the BFV section on the whiteboard to only the most important and recent stuff? | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | it's becoming huuuuge :) | 17:07 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: sure :) | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | heh, good progress | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 17:08 |
| vdrok | is there currently any way to test bfv? like with virtualbmc? | 17:08 |
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| rloo | hey, what did we decide wrt the tempest plugin? jlvillal, do you know? (L244). who's replacing soliosg? | 17:09 |
| mjturek | vdrok: I'm not sure any of us have done an end to end test with BFV. I'm hoping to do that this week | 17:09 |
| TheJulia | I need to check in the deploy skip wire-in. | 17:10 |
| vdrok | mjturek: would be cool! :) | 17:10 |
| TheJulia | mjturek: I should be able to look at the deploy skip change tomorrow | 17:10 |
| xavierr | mjturek: what you mean by end to end test? :) | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I'm going to try to get some time to work on it. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | rloo: Tempest plugin that is. | 17:11 |
| rloo | jlvillal: so we can put your name down for it? | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | yes | 17:11 |
| rloo | jlvillal: done :) (the easy part, heh) | 17:11 |
| mjturek | TheJulia: is that going to be separate from the detach/attach wirein patch? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, we need to decide on a time frame when we freeze all changes to the in-tree tempest plugin and start the switch | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Sort of. Yes. I mean we can start merging the patches we have. | 17:12 |
| mjturek | xavierr: sorry, just mean going to see if I can actually boot from a volume with all the pieces we currently have | 17:12 |
| TheJulia | mjturek: yeah, It is the one I posted that is still flagged as a wip and has no tests | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: It is just when we get to the end of the process. We have to freeze and then start using the plugin repo | 17:12 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: And then remove from 'ironic' the tempest code | 17:12 |
| mjturek | got it, thanks | 17:12 |
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| dtantsur | jlvillal, yeah. the patches that are up now don't have the recent changes and inspector bits. we should agree on the way forward with them, then we can start merging. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Well the patches are one each from the history of the repo. | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | dtantsur: So have to add more patches for what has changed since the last submission. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: If that makes sense. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I need to setup things again with 'git-filter-branch' to get it working for me. | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, it does. I wonder how to do it technically. | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: 'git-filter-branch' | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, does it support going from some commit? | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I'll figure that out. | 17:14 |
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| xavierr | mjturek: nice, ty! :) | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, yes please. well, we can always to it from scratch, then rebase on top of merged patches. | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Will do | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, what do we need to start merging changes against networking-baremetal? | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | I can +2 things, but I don't understand this project mostly | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464046/ discussing the future of the classic drivers | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | tl;dr let's deprecate them :) | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | Hmmmm | 17:22 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: I'm not sure about that either, but I guess we need to start with that "fake" baremetal driver | 17:22 |
| vdrok | re networking-baremetal | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | ack.. I'm not sure I even understand the difference/relationship between networking-baremetal and networking-generic-switch | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | which is a sad state to be in, I admit | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | is everyone still reviewing the statuses? | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I'm kind of in the same situation... :( | 17:24 |
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| mgoddard__ | o/ sorry I'm late... | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: w/r/t drivers, I kind of feel like that spec may go against the grain of what we agreed upon perviously, but pondering required. | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, vdrok, do we have a defined work group of people who actually understand this thing? is it you two and vsaienko? and mgoddard? | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | and more reading | 17:25 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: AFAIK networking-baremetal is going to hold things that any interaction with ironic would need. networking-generic-switch is just an implementation of ml2 plugin for specifc (dumb) switches | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, interesting, I don't remember not planning to deprecate them. comments appreciated! | 17:25 |
| pas-ha | on a side note, vsaienk0 is out for vacation for 2 weeks | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | good to know | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I remember "leave as is, accept no new classic style drivers" | 17:25 |
| rloo | TheJulia: i thought we were going to deprecate at some point. | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, hah, we're in disagreement here :) let's move it to the spec, I guess. I don't have any strong feeling here, just don't want to leave it hanging in the air. | 17:26 |
| rloo | TheJulia: the 'leave as is', i thought was while we were getting driver composition to work. | 17:26 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: the difference is, ngs does things with ovs in case of gate testing, this fake driver only will update the db and that's it :) | 17:26 |
| vdrok | db being neutron db | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | rloo: dtantsur: That might be, I need to context switch back a year + | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, that lasted quite a while (the driver comp story) | 17:27 |
| pas-ha | there's also other stuff targeted for networking-baremetal, like the events thing, and api extension to use to update things for routed networks AFAIR | 17:27 |
| vdrok | yup, that's correct | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | thanks pas-ha, this clarifies something | 17:28 |
| rloo | TheJulia: i just skimmed the original spec, under 'Database and Rest API', in the NOTE box, 'we plan on eventually deprecating the classic drivers.' | 17:28 |
| rloo | TheJulia: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/7.0/driver-composition-reform.html | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | rloo: thanks! | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | these are good discussions to have, but should we wrap up with the statuses first? | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | are the DOC's up to date with the driver composition stuff? | 17:28 |
| rloo | TheJulia: incentive for moving faster (if only we could). easier to remember the plan :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, nope, patches are on the whiteboard | 17:29 |
| * rloo is done with statuses | 17:29 | |
| dtantsur | and I need to write at least one more | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | moving on? | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | we got rid of one rolling-upgrades-related patch, good | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | otherwise, I expect folks to start getting back on speed after the Forum is past us | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | also, the E-tag spec is still close to landing | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | also, yet another sad anouncement - Galyna (gzholtkevich) has left Mirantis and most probably won't be able to contribute (although she promised to try :) ) | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | and that's right about e-tags | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | ouch. please wish her the best of luck | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | meaning, we need someone to take over e-tag, right? | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | so I'd take over the patches of hers | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | yes, that's me | 17:31 |
| rloo | pas-ha: thx for volunteering! | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha, ok, please update the etherpad | 17:32 |
| pas-ha | will do | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | folks, I'd like to shamelessly add my driver composition install-guide changes to the priorities | 17:32 |
| sambetts | anything that improves our docs +1000 | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | I'm looking forward to no longer working on the driver composition, please help me achieve this goal :D | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | +++++ | 17:33 |
| vdrok | yeah, I'm +1 on that | 17:33 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I'll review the docs after the meeting :) | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | pas-ha: Sorry Galyna isn't there anymore. Met her in Barcelona and she was very nice. And did a lot of good work for Ironic. | 17:33 |
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| dtantsur | it does refactor the docs quite a bit, so it may not be the easiest review in the world | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal++ | 17:34 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you refactored the install guide ANd added docs for driver composition? in one patch? | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo, kind of. e.g. I was going through enrollment section and making sure it reads well and up-to-date | 17:35 |
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| vdrok | dtantsur: yeah, tho we need this stuff, as people start asking about how the new things like attach/detach or driver composition work, and we have nothing in the docs :( I'll try to put up some patches too, regarding the new things | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | I'm open to splitting patches, but I do realize that it will make people review them slower. few of us like reviewing docs. | 17:35 |
| rloo | dtantsur: heh | 17:35 |
| vdrok | few like +2ing them :D | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | true :) | 17:36 |
| rloo | i love +2ing them. i hate reviewing/commenting. | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | ok, here's the proposed priorities: next rolling upgrades patch, next BFV patch, install-guide driver-comp changes, e-tag spec. thoughts? | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | works for me | 17:36 |
| rloo | etags before install-guide | 17:36 |
| sambetts | yup sounds good | 17:36 |
| vdrok | I'd add the tags, if you think there is some space for it | 17:36 |
| rloo | cuz no one is reviewing the etags it seems. | 17:36 |
| NobodyCam | sounds good | 17:37 |
| rloo | and we're just talking about the spec for etags | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I'm following the priorities order on the etherpad, but fine with me | 17:37 |
| rloo | but honestly, i doubt that the order matters. we're going to review what we're going to review | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | ++ to order does not matter much | 17:37 |
| vdrok | tags being node tags | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | vdrok, all node tags patches need rebasing | 17:38 |
| vdrok | oh :( will do today | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | anything else on it? do we want node tags there anyway? I'm slightly -0 on that. | 17:39 |
| vdrok | fine with leaving them out tho :) | 17:39 |
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| dtantsur | ok, let's keep it as it is | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | anything else on this? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:40 |
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| dtantsur | 20 minutes for your favorite part of this meeting :D | 17:41 |
| * rloo favorite part is the crickets | 17:41 | |
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| dtantsur | :) | 17:41 |
| xavierr | hehe | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | ok, I have one topic | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal (I think) suggested we have certain number of these meeting per cycle via phone (similar to the recent meetup) | 17:41 |
| rloo | i didn't attend boston summit/forum. is there any feedback from that, that we should be aware of? | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, I'm aware of | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-ironic-feedback | 17:42 |
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| jlvillal | dtantsur: It wasn't just my idea :) | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | yeah, you were the last to suggest, I think :) | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx, i'll take a look. TheJulia, please let us know if there is anything else :) | 17:42 |
| rloo | i thought there was a suggestion to hold one eg first or last of the month? | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | rloo, also, our folks told me that ironic scalability was mentioned as a pain point | 17:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what, ironic doesn't scale? | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | apparently not as well as people want it (think, going beyond 1000 nodes per conductor) | 17:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: sigh. we should make sure we have bugs open with the issues. | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | oh lots of good reading on that etherpad | 17:44 |
| xavierr | hey ironic'ers, I have two patches for solving the some issue 1503855. I'd like your opinion if 464212 or 408298 would fit better | 17:44 |
| fultonj | May I get feedback on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1690458 | 17:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690458 in Ironic "RFE for Ironic disk cleaning to ensure removal of disk labels (not just partitions)" [Undecided,New] | 17:44 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Yeah, I think once a month for an audio meeting would be good. | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | fultonj, was looking at it today, but did not have time to dive into man pages | 17:45 |
| * dtantsur adds to his "take a look" list | 17:45 | |
| TheJulia | Expectation differences, because we've failed to have reference documentation on what a setup should/could look like, and theoretical numbers for what a single conductor/api can do in that setup. | 17:45 |
| fultonj | ok, thanks dtantsur i'll be on IRC if you have questions | 17:45 |
| pas-ha | fultonj: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424291/7 while for different driver, this kind of logic which is needed IMO | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, yes, this reference architecture guide, which we still hope to provide | 17:45 |
| TheJulia | Writing that documentation, even just to provide the project's context would be helpful and help us obtain clear requirements | 17:45 |
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| rloo | TheJulia: ++ | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, next question would be: do we want it to be 1 hour (like this meeting) or more (like meetups)? | 17:46 |
| izumi777 | I'd like to discuss rescue mode. What is the best way to move it forward ? | 17:46 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I think aim for 1 hour time slot, same as this meeting. | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | izumi777, keep code patches clean and working, address comments on timely fashion | 17:46 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Same bat time, same bat channel | 17:46 |
| rloo | jlvillal, dtantsur: we could try. although i was thinking about that wrt the tc moving away from having weekly irc meetings :) | 17:46 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, the TC has a slightly different problem: they have to encompass opinions of the whole community. which is barely possible with a fixed time slot. | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | we're slightly smaller | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | we also don't have a great track of working with ML, to be honest.. | 17:47 |
| rloo | dtantsur: different time zones, language barrier | 17:47 |
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| dtantsur | true. I'm always for using ML more for making decisions. | 17:48 |
| izumi777 | dtansur, thanks. Can I take over rescue mode patchset ? | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | I vote for one meeting per month as an audio bridge. | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | jlvillal: +1 | 17:48 |
| rloo | dtantsur: like i said, we could try. i think for the normal meetings, irc seems fine. audio is useful for discussions i think. | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | We could try it for a few months and see what people think. | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | i am fearful that moving away from irc meeting will result in loss of context for folks who are unable to attend a call in meeting.. unless good notes are taken and posted | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | speaking of which, I will bring the phone meetup question to the ML. I'd reserver 1.5 - 2 hours to account for bad sound, technical issues, etc. | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | NobodyCam: Super good point, and I agree | 17:48 |
| rloo | oh... the good thing with irc meeting is that it is all recorded. | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, good notes is a requirement. and a summary afterwards. not sure I did great job with it the last time, but I can try better :) | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: someone besdies the person running the meeting hsould be taking notes. | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | rloo, well.. we can try my bluejeans, it has "recording" feature. I don't know how many people it can survive and other potential caveats though.. | 17:49 |
| rloo | izumi777: i think rescue mode is being worked on by stendulker & aparnav. i suggest you get in touch with them to see how you can all work on it together. | 17:49 |
| TheJulia | s/hs/sh/ | 17:49 |
| rloo | izumi777: definitely reviews would be great | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, true. we should probably find volunteers for that in advance. | 17:50 |
| izumi777 | rloo: okay. I'll contact them. Can we merge it in Pike-cycle, cant' we ? | 17:51 |
| rloo | are we discussing having an audio meeting for the weekly ironic meeting. or is the audio for weekly ironic meeting + more stuff? | 17:52 |
| vdrok | izumi777: hrm, I have doubts really, there are loads of features and not that many reviewers left | 17:52 |
| rloo | izumi777: always possible to merge in pike cycle, if it is ready and reviewed and approved. | 17:52 |
| rloo | vdrok: yes, probability might be low(er), but it is possible | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | rloo, this is the question as well. for now we were discussing replacing some of weekly IRC meetings with voice ones. | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: if replacing, i think we should keep it to 1 hour. | 17:53 |
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| jlvillal | +1 on one hour | 17:53 |
| vdrok | yup, more than one would be too late for me (10 pm) | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | izumi777, we'd like to have rescue, but it's in the process of being taken over by a new team of developers. please get it touch with them, I'm pretty sure they'll need help. | 17:54 |
| rloo | dtantsur: let's just try one of them to see how it goes. | 17:54 |
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| dtantsur | ok, thanks for feedback re voice. ++ to just try. May 29th? | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | To me just replace an IRC meeting with an audio meeting at same time for same amount of time. | 17:54 |
| vdrok | may 29 sounds good to me | 17:54 |
| aNuposic | 29th sounds good | 17:54 |
| rloo | umm, that's memorial day in the US | 17:54 |
| jlvillal | Not for me. I'll be on vacation in Moscow then :) | 17:54 |
| rloo | jlvillal: do you work that day? | 17:54 |
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| rloo | jlvillal: oh, you aren't around. | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | rloo: It is a holiday too | 17:55 |
| rloo | well, what's the use of having this w/o jlvillal :) | 17:55 |
| TheJulia | 29th works for me | 17:55 |
| izumi777 | dtansur, vdrok: OK. I can contribute by testing and reviewing | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | mmm, excluding the whole US is not good | 17:55 |
| jlvillal | rloo: heh | 17:55 |
| vdrok | izumi777: cool, thank you for that! | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | next Monday? or June 5th? | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | (next = May 22nd) | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: How about first meeting of the month is audio :) | 17:56 |
| TheJulia | Next monday is a no-go for me | 17:56 |
| rloo | next monday is a holiday for me :) | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | ok, June 5th? | 17:56 |
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| vdrok | I'm fine with any monday for the next 2 months :D | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | heh | 17:56 |
| rloo | jlvillal: you avail june 5? | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I'll be on vacation :) | 17:56 |
| jlvillal | I think it will go fine without me though. | 17:57 |
| rloo | who else wanted the audio besides jlvillal? | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | I'm available June 5th | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | Though I know everyone will miss the dulcet tones of my voice | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | rloo, well, I wanted | 17:57 |
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| vdrok | :D | 17:57 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ah, ok then :) | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | I'd like to see if it can get more productive that way | 17:57 |
| * rloo wondered who owned that dulcet voice. | 17:58 | |
| dtantsur | I really don't know, hence I wonder | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | 2 minutes left... | 17:58 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: pauses will be shorter for sure :) | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | 1 minute... | 17:58 |
| ricardoas | Hi everybody... it would be great for us oneview folks to have some word on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464212/ if you have some time :) | 17:58 |
| rloo | worth trying :) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | ok, I'll propose it on the ML. I wonder if we still should have full-featured voice meetups in addition to that | 17:58 |
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| vdrok | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | ricardoas, will check (tomorrow apparently) | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: I could see at least once per cycle an actual big time block. Like we did last time. | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | and thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| TheJulia | Thank you everyone! | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, I'd even do a few times | 17:59 |
| pas-ha | thanks all | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | Bye | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | see you | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: ++ | 17:59 |
| aarefiev | thx | 17:59 |
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| dtantsur | #endmeeting ironic | 17:59 |
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| izumi777 | bye | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 17:59:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-05-15-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-05-15-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-05-15-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 15 20:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 20:01 |
| ildikov | in case anyone's around for a chat :) | 20:01 |
| spotz | Hey! | 20:01 |
| * jungleboyj waves at spotz | 20:01 | |
| ildikov | spotz: jungleboyj: hi :) | 20:02 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Back on Hungarian time yet? | 20:02 |
| spotz | Everyone have a safe flight back? | 20:02 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: no, flying out tomorrow evening local time | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yep, went pretty smooth. Slept again. Then spent all day and Friday and Saturday trying to catch up on sleep. | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ah, ok. Have a safe trip. | 20:03 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: tnx :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | ok I think we can get into the meeting | 20:04 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:04 | |
| ildikov | Thanks everyone who came and helped out during those one and a half days!!! | 20:05 |
| skelso | o/ | 20:05 |
| ildikov | It started a bit chaotic, but we handled it pretty well as a group I think | 20:05 |
| ildikov | So kudos to everyone and thanks for all the work with the prep and on site! | 20:06 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: +2 Glad I could be there and feel very good about the result. | 20:06 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 :) | 20:06 |
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| ildikov | I hope everyone from the mentors had a good time and hopefully we can improve the training further for Sydney | 20:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 20:07 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:07 |
| ildikov | #info we had 43 people showing up on Saturday and 34 on Sunday | 20:07 |
| vkmc | hey | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:07 |
| ildikov | vkmc: diablo_rojo_phon: hey girls :) | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | :) | 20:08 |
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| ildikov | so we had less people than in Barcelona, but overall we had a good attendance | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | I wonder why we had fewer people on Sunday. Felt like we had more. | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | It was a more engaged group than Barcelona. | 20:09 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I felt that way too, most probably because we had a bit more mentors than on Saturday | 20:09 |
| spotz | Wow I'm surprised with less on Sunday, there seemed like a lot of new faces | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Yep. | 20:09 |
| spotz | I wonder if people just didn't sign in? | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Some of that may have been they were more vocal and comfortable approaching us? | 20:10 |
| ildikov | and the round tables can easily give the impression of having more people than with the theatre style seating | 20:10 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: maybe | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | spotz: we had people at the door basically the whole time both days I think. | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And I tried to catch people that snuck in when the door wasn't manned. | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Idk though. | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | Interesting. | 20:11 |
| ildikov | I don't know either, especially as we changed the room setup it's really hard to tell | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | We can add a question to the survey asking if they didn't attend both days and why not if they didn't. | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | I saw people from the education though actively participating in sessions at the summit so that is good. | 20:12 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: +2 | 20:12 |
| ildikov | the next mission is to keep at least some of the people around | 20:12 |
| spotz | I think that would be good feedback diablo_rojo_phon | 20:12 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Easy enough to add. | 20:12 |
| ildikov | there are also a few workshops of the OpenStack Academy on Sunday and I think people might checked in to those as well | 20:12 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: +1 | 20:12 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: should we jump into the feedback part of the agenda? | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sure. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | #topic Attendee Survey | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Attendee Survey (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:13 | |
| ildikov | we sent out a survey to the students in Barcelona and we plan that this time as well | 20:14 |
| ildikov | #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/upstream_training_feedback_survey | 20:14 |
| ildikov | so feedback from you for the feedback survey would be pretty great :) | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That and links to the slides and reminder of the 101 channel | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I have some tweks to make based on slide deck name changes | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And I will add the thing about attendance and why | 20:15 |
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| ildikov | our idea was basically trying to get some feedback for each block while requiring only a minimal amount of typing which might increase the willingness to fill it out | 20:15 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: sounds good, tnx | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, the module names need to be updated. | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | I was going to ask about a text input on how to improve individual sections but that would go against the minimal typing thing. ;-) | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | Jenkins -> OpenStack Project Status & Zuul | 20:17 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we got only a few replies after Barcelona, so we might try to encourage people for that in the general what to improve and what to keep sections | 20:17 |
| ildikov | but wouldn't add it to every block | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah I can change the phrasing around things. | 20:18 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, yeah, maybe text input at the bottom that solicities input on individual sections if they wish to do so. | 20:18 |
| spotz | I like the survey | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Can do. | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks spotz :) | 20:19 |
| spotz | One question though, who determines the more important and less important content? Us or them?:) | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. Otherwise I like that is is easy and simple. | 20:19 |
| vkmc | survey looks good! | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Good question. :-) | 20:20 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think we would like to understand what they feel as important | 20:20 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 | 20:20 |
| spotz | ildikov: I don't think we ask them that though unless I missed it. I'll double check | 20:21 |
| ildikov | spotz: and then we can tweak the material and how we present things to make other parts look important as well :) | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | 'How much time was spent covering the content that was important to you.' | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | Then ask what that was? | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | Could we do that? | 20:21 |
| vkmc | jungleboyj++ | 20:21 |
| vkmc | yeah, we want to know what they consider more/less important | 20:21 |
| spotz | We kinda have to, nothing above it seems to say hi I'm important:) | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | Might be implied by their other answers but I think those are the most important questions. | 20:22 |
| ildikov | I think last time those who took the effort to give an answer there clarified it mostly | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | Good catch spotz I had glossed over that. | 20:22 |
| ildikov | but we can add an extra field and ask it explicitely | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:23 |
| ildikov | until we don't add too many extra questions it should be good | 20:23 |
| vkmc | ildikov++ | 20:23 |
| ildikov | as if the survey looks too much effort it will remain an open tab on their browser which will eventually get closed without submitting it... | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hahaha yeah. I will make the changes and then I'll have you all review one more time. | 20:23 |
| vkmc | less/more important can be replied in one word... I think that people is more hesitant to reply if answers require more writing | 20:23 |
| ildikov | vkmc: +1 | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I'll drop it in the upstream-institute channel when I'm done. | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | vkmc: ++ | 20:24 |
| spotz | hey any chance of getting a drop down so they can just select? | 20:24 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: coolio, thank you! | 20:24 |
| vkmc | spotz++ | 20:24 |
| vkmc | I like the dropdown idea | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | spotz: I can do radio buttons | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Can they do multiple selections with Radio Buttons? | 20:25 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo_phon: That would work, just so they can select what they thing is more and less easily | 20:25 |
| spotz | then answer | 20:25 |
| vkmc | nope, radio buttons should be one selection | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | jungleboyj no, radio buttons are single selection. Let me see if I can do checkboxes | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: That would be good. | 20:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Can we say that it looks like it will take 5 minutes or less to do the survey in the note sent out? ;-) | 20:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | Turns out formstack can actually do dropdowns. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yep :) I can add that wording to the email. | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. Thanks. Assuming it is still accurate. Which I think it is. | 20:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | We didnt do the sanbox section right? | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | *sandbox | 20:29 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we just need to also keep it look like doable in less than 5 minutes :) | 20:29 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Correct. | 20:30 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: no | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool | 20:30 |
| vkmc | we can put as a header... "estimated completion time: 5 minutes" | 20:31 |
| vkmc | that will convince them | 20:31 |
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| smcginnis | hah | 20:31 |
| vkmc | right? :D | 20:31 |
| ildikov | vkmc: hmm :) | 20:31 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: hi :) | 20:31 |
| jungleboyj | vkmc: If we can put your trustworthy face next to it, maybe. ;-) | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:31 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: we're chatting about this survey: https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/upstream_training_feedback_survey | 20:32 |
| vkmc | jungleboyj, me? haha | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, did we skip the OS as a Software and OS as a Community sections too? | 20:32 |
| vkmc | they will trust because we are upstream university! | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: No, we did those. | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks. I've been lurking for a bit. :) | 20:32 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: we want to send this out to the students asking for feedback about the training | 20:32 |
| vkmc | s/university/institute/g | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, thanks | 20:32 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: haha, ok :) | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | couldnt remember | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: You were out at that time I think. | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Might have been still trying to get tables | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:33 |
| jungleboyj | Fires fires, everywhere. | 20:33 |
| spotz | heheh | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, day one that was the case | 20:33 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I ran through those first ones quickly as part of the intro block | 20:33 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I think we can skip the introduction question though | 20:33 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: no matter what people say we need to introduce ourselves anyhow :) | 20:34 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ that shortens things up. | 20:34 |
| jungleboyj | I also felt like the way we handled that was much better. | 20:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Almost done making changes. few more min | 20:34 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we had the Metrics one this time | 20:35 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:35 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we can have the OS as Software and as Community one question maybe as they are short intro blocks | 20:36 |
| ildikov | so we can have the survey look shorter still | 20:36 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | So just collapse the first section into one question? | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense to me. | 20:37 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: remove the Introduction and collapse the remaining two | 20:37 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right, I think that makes sense. | 20:38 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: if there were no exercises we could even skip that part, but we do, so let's see what people think about that | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 20:38 |
| ildikov | anything else for the survey? | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | We'll see how it looks now. :-) | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | refresh and you should see the updates | 20:40 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: can the drop down list fixed to show the very helpful option by default? :) | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha I have to go through and reorder the options but yes I can do that | 20:41 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: if you think it makes sense | 20:41 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yeah ... lets flip the order. ;-) | 20:42 |
| ildikov | I don't want to influence people, but they might get more into constructive mode if they see the more positive option first | 20:42 |
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| ildikov | it didn't matter with the radio buttons as you could see all of them at the same time anyway | 20:43 |
| vkmc | this is a nit but... "Which modules do you feel were more unimportant?*" s/more unimportant/less important/g | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | vkmc: +1 | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | This is tedious AF lol | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | vkmc, oops I can fix that | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | Can we default all the drop down responses to "Helpful" or "NA"? | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | Just thinking if they get there and then decide they don't really care, if they just hit submit there will be a few as Very Helpful and a bunch as Not Helpful. | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | Safer to have a more neutral default response maybe? | 20:44 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: yeah, makes sense | 20:45 |
| vkmc | smcginnis++ | 20:45 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, suuuuure right after I get done changing every one of them ;) | 20:45 |
| vkmc | diablo_rojo, <3 | 20:45 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:45 |
| ildikov | ok, we have 15 minutes left from the meeting | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | So, We don't have a 1 to 1 match between the modules on the web page and the Helpful/Not Helpful list. Is that on purpose? | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: (｡◕‿◕｡) | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, :P | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | @! | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | No bot for you! | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh sad the bot isnt here? | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yeah, I was just wishing we had that in here. | 20:46 |
| ildikov | let's finish the survey on the channel and get into a bit of a retrospective in case there are more comments we could'should add to the etherpad | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 20:47 |
| spotz | heheh | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | There you go. | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | ┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻ | 20:47 |
| ildikov | Monday meetings rock! :) | 20:47 |
| * jungleboyj would like to see that. | 20:47 | |
| smcginnis | What have I done? :) | 20:47 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Watch out. | 20:47 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: it wasn't you, it was me :) | 20:47 |
| smcginnis | hah | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, you are making me change something I just spent ten min changing ;) | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, ildikov I blame you both ;) | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | hehe | 20:48 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: you can blame me any time | 20:48 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:48 |
| ildikov | ok, let's retrospect | 20:48 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: or maybe the non-attendee survey idea first | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | It would be great to know why some weren't able to attend. | 20:50 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:50 |
| spotz | ++ | 20:51 |
| ildikov | sometimes I feel like asking the opposite TBH :) | 20:51 |
| ildikov | but we can send out a quick email and ask why they finally didn't come | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I would guess it is mostly because people didnt realize it was the weekend before and their companies wouldnt fund the weekend before too | 20:51 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 20:52 |
| ildikov | I have a few responses who couldn't figure out travel | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure we have enough to ask to warrant a whole survey | 20:52 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I would only send a mail with one question | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:52 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I can draft it after the meeting | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I think that makes sense if it is a small number. | 20:53 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: 20-ish people | 20:53 |
| ildikov | we just don't have that much to ask about why they didn't come | 20:54 |
| ildikov | they only thing we can do better is visualizing and advertising it better it's the weekend before | 20:54 |
| ildikov | although when people signed up it was with the right date in the agenda, so I'm not sure how much we can help | 20:55 |
| ildikov | we surely need to fix the graphics on the web that shows the main activities during the event as that diagram shows only Sunday | 20:55 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 20:55 |
| ildikov | I will bring it up to the team | 20:55 |
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| * diablo_rojo finished updating the survey again.. | 20:56 | |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Sounds good. Lets e-mail and see what we get. | 20:56 |
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| vkmc | diablo_rojo++ | 20:56 |
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| * jungleboyj refreshes | 20:56 | |
| spotz | Maybe social media? | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | 3 minutes | 20:57 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: looks good, tnx | 20:57 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: tnx | 20:57 |
| spotz | Do we want to ask which day they attend? Sat, Sun, or both? | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, I dont think we will really do anything with that info | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | but I can add it if you think its important | 20:58 |
| diablo_rojo | We are already asking them a LOT | 20:58 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:58 |
| ildikov | let's focus on the content more | 20:58 |
| spotz | I'd be curious if we lost them due to content, we could just changte the did you attend both days to which days did you attend with 2 responses | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Honestly I am feeling like we can take out the how helpfuls.. since we have the importance stuff | 20:59 |
| ildikov | the bigger issue is that they don't stick around even f we can get them in the room for two days | 20:59 |
| ildikov | but let's figure it out on the channel and/or next week | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, I think they can add that in the short answer asking why they didnt go to both | 20:59 |
| spotz | ok | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Good question though :) | 20:59 |
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| ildikov | ok let's move to the channel, time's up :) | 21:00 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| trevormc | o/ | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 15 21:00:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-05-15-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: What if we collapse those down into 'Introduction', 'How OpenStack is Made', 'Workflow and Tools for Participation' and 'Code Deep Dive' | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-05-15-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-05-15-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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