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| wanghao | zhenguo: ping | 03:26 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: pong | 03:26 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: got you reply, so I will send the notificaiton email like you said. | 03:26 |
| wanghao | maybe later :) | 03:26 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks, but seems we talked in wrong place, lol | 03:27 |
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| wanghao_ | zhenguo: sorry! it happen again!... | 03:29 |
| zhenguo | wanghao_: lol | 03:29 |
| wanghao_ | zhenguo: Bug I don't see some updates this week. | 03:29 |
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| wanghao_ | zhenguo: maybe this week just list our high priorities tasks? | 03:31 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao_: agree | 03:32 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 14:01:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:02 |
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| tellesnobrega | show off hands everyone | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:03 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:04 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| tellesnobrega | I'm working on the image gen and validation, it is getting closer to a final version, testing takes a long time, but we will get there | 14:05 |
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| vgridnev | nothing new from me, just did several reviews and today I took a look on failures in the gate to investigate the general reason of the failure. | 14:07 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks for that vgridnev | 14:07 |
| egafford | Just reviews recently. If there are any patches anyone would particularly like to be reviewed let me know, btw. | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thank you vgridnev, I guess I've been giving you a lot to do | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | jeremyfreudberg, I bet you have such changes | 14:08 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | egafford, feel free to check out my recent proposal in sahara-dashboard | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | some minor ux thing | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | actually not so much, I just reviewed logs of sahara-engine and understood the root cause. | 14:09 |
| egafford | jeremyfreudberg: Ack. | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, those logs are on miratins servers? | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | nope | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | logs of dsvm gate jobs in Jenkins | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, oh, so the logs on the patches itself? | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 14:10 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic Swifta | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swifta (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:12 | |
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| jeremyfreudberg | what you want to say about it? | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I was talking with Luigi and Elise yesterday and if I understood correctly sahara-extra is there because of a accident, we don't really want to maintain it for too long | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | if that is the correct understanding, adding the swifta code there is not a great idea | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well, that it is interesting and good to know | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev and egafford can confirm if that is correct | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | that would be nice not to maintain sahara-extra | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, then what about the keystone v3 stuff in sahara-extra, shouldn't that go to Apache too? | 14:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | #action tellesnobrega take a look on sahara-extra and figure out how we can drop it | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I have to check | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | (err, we can't drop the whole repo, the code for edp-adapt-for-whatever is there too) | 14:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, maybe we can merge it in sahara repo | 14:17 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | true | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I will take a look on what we use from extra, and how we can integrate it somewhere else and drop that | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sure, let me know when you figure it out | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I will | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but otherwise, we do have interest in Swifta, right, just not in the governance? | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | SotK, on the swifta case, maybe the walmart people can just debut the code on a github and we can use it | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, that is my idea yes, we can use for sure, and we probably should, but I don't think we can maintain it under the sahara umbrella | 14:20 |
| jeremyfreudberg | makes sense to me | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome, so we have an agreement | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:22 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | egafford, the default templates stuff is pretty out of date, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/sahara/tree/sahara/plugins/default_templates , I thought this would be good to assign for outreachy (if you didn't already think of it yourself) | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | if they're going to be working on import/export, good to familiarize with templates | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I don't think egafford has an outreachy intern this round | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | oh, I thought egafford was doing that stuff | 14:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | is it you then | 14:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | someone does | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm mentoring | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | in that case, redirect my suggestion to you | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, it is a good idea for sure | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | I will use it | 14:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | awesome | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | it will be a good introduction to the templates | 14:24 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | do we have anything to discuss today? | 14:26 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | not particularly | 14:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | I guess we can call it and we pick it up next week. Thanks guys, lets keep up the good work | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 14:29:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-01-14.01.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-01-14.01.txt | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-01-14.01.log.html | 14:29 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 15:03:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #chair haleyb Swami_ | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami_ haleyb mlavalle | 15:03 |
| Swami_ | hi back in the right channel | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Sorry for the confusion | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #Announcements | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| mlavalle | We almost reached Pike-2. It is next week | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:05 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: too close | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | any other announcements from the team? | 15:05 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: I don't have any thing to announce | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:07 | |
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| mlavalle | Swami_: please fire away with DVR related bugs | 15:07 |
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| Swami_ | mlavalle: thanks | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: haleyb: I found that the dvr is broken in upstream. | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: haleyb: was there any new devstack changes that occurred in the pike1 | 15:08 |
| haleyb | Swami_: i don't know. what about the neutron change you noticed? | 15:09 |
| Swami_ | I did see that a patch that was merged from kevin broke the dvr. The snat namespace are not getting created. | 15:09 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457592/ | 15:09 |
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| Swami_ | After this patch, the snat namespaces are not getting created. | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | The snat ports are not getting bound to the actual host. | 15:10 |
| haleyb | Why aren't all the DVR jobs broken then? | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: mlavalle: that's my confusion right now. | 15:11 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: The agent side test cases that are specific to snat namespaces may pass. But I still wonder why the tempest tests are not showing any errors. | 15:11 |
| * haleyb is loading the grafana page now | 15:12 | |
| Swami_ | haleyb: that is reason I was checking with you, if there was any devstack change beyond this patch that makes it work in upstream. | 15:12 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: mlavalle: I suspect that this might be one of the reason for the address scopes match to log the errors while trying to process the routers. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I am not aware of relevant devstack changes | 15:13 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: is there an error in the server or l3 log? | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: Yes it is easy to reproduce, if you can go to a patch before this posted patch you can see both the snat and fip namespace and after this patch, I don't see the snat namespace. | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: I did see one rpc error in the neutron-server. | 15:14 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: I don't see any error on the agent side, since the port is not bound. | 15:14 |
| haleyb | so it just never gets bound, hmm | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: I wanted to confirm first and then I will file a bug. I also posted a message to kevin last night. | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: yes | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | I did see the rpc handler is trying to bound the port to a given host, but the port update fails. | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: mlavalle: I will try to see if I can collect more information on this issue today, having said that there is no configuration changes in the devstack. | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | even if we missed to update one of the calls, it is still used as a mixin, so it should work, right? | 15:16 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: We need to identify, why the port is not getting bound to the snat host? | 15:17 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: I am not clear on why this mixin change would cause this issue. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | yeah, seems pretty innocent | 15:17 |
| haleyb | Swami_: i would open a bug with the port update failure, i am creating a new stack here | 15:17 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: ok, thanks | 15:18 |
| * haleyb still dealing with broken laptop, recreating everything sucks | 15:18 | |
| mlavalle | it does :_) | 15:18 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: Meanwhile I will also check for the path on why it is failing. | 15:18 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: mlavalle: So I am suspecting the patch that was reverted for error logs, might be an after effect of this issue. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457592/ | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | ack | 15:20 |
| haleyb | Swami_: for the address scopes? | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: mlavalle: so the plan is we fix this snat issue first and then I can drill down to see if there is any check required in the address scopes patch to prevent those logs, if there is no existing route. | 15:20 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: yes | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | These are the only hot issues I had with DVR. There are no new bugs added to the list this week. Other than the one that we would be filing today to address the snat issue with the mixin change. | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: back to you | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Swami_: Thanks | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | This one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1684682 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1684682 in neutron "DHCP namespace doesn't have IPv6 default route" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | merged recently | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | so I will remove it from the etherpad | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | the bug itself shows fix released, so we are good | 15:24 |
| haleyb | yup, i proposed backports yesterday | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Thanks haleyb | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1655567 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1655567 in neutron "DHCPv6 failures with "address already allocated in subnet" error" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | For this one I confirmed with more recent hits the pattern I explained last week | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | subnet creation and dhcp port creation / update interfere each other when the subnet is dhcpv6-stateless | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Last night proposed a fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469669 | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | I forgot to add matching () | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | so it failed a lot of tests | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | I updated earlier today. As soon as it passes Jenkins I will remove WIP and it is good for reviews | 15:28 |
| haleyb | thanks mlavalle | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, Swami_: please note that I left a comment / question in the code | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | I would like some input on hat | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | that^^^ | 15:29 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: ok | 15:29 |
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| haleyb | ok | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683227 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683227 in neutron "test_connection_from_same_address_scope failed with: Cannot find device "qg-74372988-7f"" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | I just started working on this one right before this meeting | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | as usual, struggling a little bit coming up with the right query for Kibana | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I'll keep the team posted | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | Finally, this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1694764 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1694764 in neutron "test_metadata_proxy_respawned failed to spawn metadata proxy" [High,Confirmed] | 15:32 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: I hope this is for a non-dvr | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:33 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: :) | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | I just came across this one before the meeting | 15:33 |
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| haleyb | that is newton as well | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | yes | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments or bugs from the team? | 15:35 |
| haleyb | not from me | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: nothing from me. | 15:35 |
| davidsha | Hey, is there an open discussion section for the meeting? | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: yes there is | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | hang on just a few more minutes | 15:36 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: I'll wait then, thanks! | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DNS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:36 | |
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| mlavalle | I recently pushed the last patchset of the series that adds dns_domain attribute and related functionality to ports | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468697/ | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | it is passing all the existing unit tests | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | so I didn't break anything | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | and I am working through the unit tests for the new functionality | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | should be done early next week | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | any questions? | 15:39 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: no | 15:39 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: so will dnsmasq send back this domain? i haven't looked closely yet | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: no, this dns_domain is only for external dns service | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | or in case the user want a dns_domain attribute assigned to its port | 15:40 |
| haleyb | ah, so someone can host different domains with a single project | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | correct | 15:41 |
| haleyb | (light bulb ON) | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:42 | |
| mlavalle | davidsha: the floor is yours | 15:42 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: Thanks, I've been working on a PoC for dvr in user space | 15:42 |
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| Swami_ | davidsha: is this to get rid of the namespaces. | 15:43 |
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| davidsha | It uses OpenFlow rules to make the switch act like a router, at the moment it supports east west traffic and I'm almost done with north south. | 15:43 |
| davidsha | Swami_: To provide an alternative yes. | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: are you aware of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Dragonflow | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | ? | 15:45 |
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| davidsha | mlavalle: I was, do you think this would be a better topic for DragonFlow? | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: not necessarily. I just want you to have visibility of it | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | please carry on | 15:46 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: ack, I'll take a closer look :) | 15:46 |
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| davidsha | I'm hoping to wrap up north south soon, would you all be interested in taking a look? | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: I would | 15:47 |
| haleyb | me too | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | and thanks for the effort and for sharing :-) | 15:48 |
| davidsha | No problem! I'll try to have it up asap! | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | davidsha: you don't have to look at dragonflow. But if you find it interesting, you might want to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zrMZFnBQuw | 15:49 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: thanks, I'll check it out! | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | anythong else? | 15:51 |
| Swami_ | davidsha: will take a look at it. | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | anything^^^^ | 15:51 |
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| Swami_ | mlavalle: haleyb: next week I may be on vacation. | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | Swami_: enjoy! are you going somewhere? | 15:52 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: haleyb: moving my home to a new home. | 15:52 |
| haleyb | Swami_: good luck! | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | bigger, nicer, shinner? | 15:52 |
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| Swami_ | mlavalle: bigger closer to high school for my kid | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | that makes sense. Good luck, moves are not fun | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | you realize how much stuff you have accumulated over the years | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | a lot of it useless | 15:53 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: yes it is. | 15:53 |
| Swami_ | mlavalle: 11 years store - too much to throw out. | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | thanks for joining the meeting guys | 15:54 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | enjoy the rest of the week | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:54 | |
| Swami_ | bye | 15:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 15:54:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.03.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.03.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-01-15.03.log.html | 15:55 |
| davidsha | cya | 15:55 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:00 |
| cdent | what fine folk are here for some api-wg meeting pleasure? | 16:00 |
| cdent | edleafe, elmiko ? | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| cdent | #topic old biz | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old biz (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| cdent | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-05-25-16.00.html | 16:00 |
| cdent | main action item from last week was to review mordred's fine stuff | 16:01 |
| cdent | which lots of people seem to have bene doing, which is dandy | 16:01 |
| elmiko | yeah, we added the item for re-reviews | 16:02 |
| edleafe | I read War and Peace in between his patches for some light reading | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:02 |
| elmiko | imo, i seem to be far less opinionated about those specs, so i'm not sure that i'm adding much to the review process | 16:02 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:02 |
| * dtantsur did not have time to come back to it, sorry | 16:02 | |
| edleafe | Monty is the domain expert there | 16:02 |
| cdent | yeah, so it is mostly a matter of catching errors in presentation | 16:03 |
| edleafe | So I'm treating this as a brain dump, and only questioning when things aren't clear | 16:03 |
| elmiko | cdent: that's been my main goal | 16:03 |
| cdent | c00l | 16:03 |
| cdent | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:03 | |
| * mordred waves | 16:03 | |
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| * edleafe particles | 16:04 | |
| cdent | does anyone have anything to say about mordred's stuff (which is the only item on the agenda) or is it all happening on the reviews? | 16:04 |
| mordred | thanks for the reviews folks! fwiw, I updated the cloud-profile one at the top of the stack, which might be interesting new reading | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | i've been more or less in agreement with mordred's PRs, not much controversial stuff for me | 16:06 |
| mordred | also, cmurphy, edleafe and efried left some good reviews I need to go deal with | 16:06 |
| mordred | woot | 16:06 |
| edleafe | we didn't want you to feel lonely | 16:06 |
| cdent | "interesting new reading" is almost like a curse | 16:07 |
| cdent | but is really blessings in disguise | 16:07 |
| mordred | :) | 16:07 |
| cdent | soon we will all rejoice | 16:07 |
| mordred | cdent: I trimmed it down a bit from the original and left out the network access schemes for now | 16:08 |
| mordred | figured get in the easy stuff and then we can have a basis to iterate on it over time | 16:08 |
| cdent | good plan | 16:08 |
| cdent | anything else on version-discovery topic? | 16:09 |
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| cdent | #action everyone carry on with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg+branch:master+topic:version-discovery | 16:09 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:09 |
| cdent | any other new business? any lurkers lurking? | 16:09 |
| * edleafe loves a good tautology | 16:10 | |
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| * cdent immanentizes the eschaton | 16:10 | |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | getting deep in here | 16:10 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:11 |
| cdent | I think we're still pending on everything? | 16:11 |
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| elmiko | think so | 16:12 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:12 | |
| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 16:12 |
| cdent | no new bugs, plenty of bugs still left to deal with | 16:13 |
| edleafe | sorry, was looking at the reviews | 16:13 |
| edleafe | Are there any issues with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446138/ | 16:13 |
| * cdent slows down | 16:13 | |
| edleafe | (the next_min_version) | 16:13 |
| elmiko | edleafe: looks like we could move to freeze | 16:13 |
| edleafe | just some naming issues? | 16:13 |
| cdent | there are some non -1 coments (that are not +1) | 16:13 |
| cdent | and a JSON fix | 16:14 |
| edleafe | which are trivial | 16:14 |
| cdent | are you suggesting we should take advantage of the opportunity to freeze it? | 16:15 |
| cdent | and work on the name in the wider audience? | 16:15 |
| cdent | or something else? | 16:15 |
| edleafe | no, I just wanted to make sure that there weren't any other objections | 16:15 |
| dtantsur | I personally don't have better ideas about the name | 16:16 |
| cdent | let's make mordred name it, he loves naming | 16:16 |
| edleafe | It's the worst name, except for all the other variations :) | 16:16 |
| elmiko | haha +1 | 16:16 |
| * cdent suggests restconf | 16:16 | |
| * cdent lies | 16:16 | |
| mordred | I'm so good at naming | 16:16 |
| * edleafe suggests 'convefe' | 16:17 | |
| edleafe | oops | 16:17 |
| mordred | oh - I just saw a thing in that .. | 16:17 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:17 |
| cdent | dammit. | 16:17 |
| * edleafe suggests 'covfefe' | 16:17 | |
| cdent | I was hoping to get through the day without that | 16:17 |
| mordred | edleafe: not_raise_min_before ... is that intended to be set by the deployer? | 16:17 |
| cdent | project | 16:17 |
| mordred | yah - the project has no clue | 16:17 |
| edleafe | the project | 16:17 |
| edleafe | mordred: that's why it's a guarantee | 16:18 |
| edleafe | a deployer may raise it much later | 16:18 |
| mordred | ah - like "definitely won't happen until" | 16:18 |
| mordred | gotcha | 16:18 |
| cdent | 'xactly | 16:18 |
| edleafe | but not before the project releases it | 16:18 |
| mordred | neat | 16:18 |
| edleafe | so this way if a user sees that the min version is going to be raised, they at least have a clue as to how urgent the change is | 16:19 |
| mordred | min_version_supported_until_at_least | 16:19 |
| edleafe | red! | 16:19 |
| cdent | _unless_we_change_our_minds_or_made_a_mistake | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:19 |
| mordred | :) | 16:19 |
| mordred | well - it's still accurate - at_least is very forgiving ;) | 16:19 |
| edleafe | the hope is that a) projects won't ever raise the min or b) if they do, we have a way to signal that | 16:20 |
| * cdent looks at dtantsur | 16:20 | |
| mordred | wont_bump_min_version_before_date_but_it_may_be_longer | 16:20 |
| dtantsur | jroll wanted to raise the min for ironic, but then he left.. | 16:20 |
| cdent | oh, does that take it off the table? | 16:21 |
| mordred | just for the record, I still contend that raising the min is a de-facto major version bump | 16:21 |
| dtantsur | we_are_thinking_to_raise_this_min_version_maybe_after_this_date | 16:21 |
| dtantsur | cdent: not entirely. we will do it eventually, I think | 16:21 |
| mordred | but I'm willing to not make too big of a stink about that | 16:21 |
| edleafe | mordred: the argument in microversions is that there is never a major version bump | 16:22 |
| dtantsur | mordred: in ideal world, I agree. in our world, I'm looking at keystone v2->v3 and don't want to ever raise the major version :D | 16:22 |
| mordred | edleafe: right. but it's a major version bump- we're just calling it something different | 16:22 |
| edleafe | yep | 16:22 |
| cdent | names are powerful | 16:22 |
| mordred | microversoins lets the user opt-in to changes, but the floor of the major version is always available, so they can also completely ignore it | 16:22 |
| cdent | s/names/words/ | 16:22 |
| mordred | a major version bump cannot be ignored | 16:22 |
| mordred | becaues it's a major version and signals a breaking change | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | raising min version can *often* be ignored | 16:23 |
| mordred | so even if we call it "a microversion min bump" - it's a major version bump | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | this is probably the difference | 16:23 |
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| dtantsur | well, I think this is why it's not the same actually | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | I mean, practically speaking | 16:23 |
| edleafe | something like Nova dropping nova-network is certainly a breaking change | 16:23 |
| mordred | you "might" be able to ignore it - but you don't know - the contract has changed | 16:24 |
| mordred | I mean, cinder v2 to cinder v3 is largely the same api | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | bumping the default ironic version from 1.1 to 1.10 will barely be noticeable by 99% of our users | 16:24 |
| mordred | you can mostly ignore it | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | yeah, this is why I'm referring to practical aspects here | 16:24 |
| edleafe | But that isn't done with a min_version bump; it's just a version that says "that thing is gone", even if you request an old version | 16:24 |
| mordred | dtantsur: totally understand - and I understand the motivation - I just want to make sure that the end effects for people writing api consumption code are the same between a min bump and a major bump | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | mordred: *is* the same API. Until you microversion. | 16:25 |
| mordred | smcginnis: yes :) | 16:25 |
| edleafe | So there are lots of inconsistencies | 16:25 |
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| cdent | cinder is a summoning word for smcginnis | 16:25 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:25 |
| mordred | I mostly want to make sure everyone understands that the potential cost for consumers in a min bump are extremely similar to a major version bump ... | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | cdent: hehe | 16:25 |
| dtantsur | sure, potentially yes | 16:26 |
| mordred | and if a user isn't actually using micorversions yet, could lead to them having two different behaviors for a thing labeled with the major version | 16:26 |
| edleafe | mordred: sure, but that's not what this patch is about | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | e.g. when/if we cross 1.11, we're going to break people | 16:26 |
| edleafe | this is about "if you are raising the min, here's how to signal it" | 16:26 |
| mordred | edleafe: TOTALLY - if we're going to bump the min, then I fully support the communicatoin channel | 16:26 |
| cdent | we can probably "enhance the messaging" (in the microversion spec or the interop guideline) on what a min version bump implies (at a later time) | 16:28 |
| cdent | I hear mordred likes to write | 16:28 |
| edleafe | I hear mordred has two sprained hands | 16:28 |
| elmiko | ouch | 16:28 |
| mordred | oy | 16:29 |
| mordred | MOAR WRITING | 16:29 |
| * dtantsur finds this meeting the funniest meeting he attends | 16:29 | |
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| * edleafe proposes changing the group's name to the API Comedy Troupe | 16:29 | |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:29 |
| cdent | dtantsur: I think that's because we do a pretty good job of allowing ourselves to roam around a bit | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i would so travel for that edleafe | 16:29 |
| cdent | api comedy toupée | 16:30 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 16:30 | |
| dtantsur | :D | 16:30 |
| edleafe | is that a crack about my thinning hair? | 16:30 |
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| mordred | edleafe: is that a crack in your thinning hair? | 16:31 |
| cdent | if you hadn't said anything, i would have thought that, but now I'm deperate to get you an api wig | 16:31 |
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| cdent | wouldn't! | 16:31 |
| cdent | anyway | 16:32 |
| cdent | is there something to take away from that? a summary? a plan? an action? | 16:32 |
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| edleafe | Dunno - we just need to settle on a name for the "good_until" date | 16:33 |
| cdent | oh yeah | 16:33 |
| elmiko | "best-before" ? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | ;) | 16:33 |
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| dtantsur | your_app_breaks_after | 16:34 |
| * dtantsur cannot be serious today any more, and you're to blame :-P | 16:34 | |
| elmiko | dtantsur: LOL yes! | 16:34 |
| edleafe | _unless_your_app_is_already_broken | 16:34 |
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| cdent | we've made some fantastic progress today | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i feel better =) | 16:36 |
| cdent | me too | 16:36 |
| cdent | api group therapy | 16:36 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:36 |
| cdent | so, by means unclear to me, my dinner is ready earlier than expected so I'd like to dash, can someone do the newsletter honors? | 16:37 |
| edleafe | I can, but it won't be for an hour or so | 16:38 |
| elmiko | i'm ok with that | 16:38 |
| cdent | in other news for much of the month of june I'll be between jobs so trying to relax a bit. I'll still be around for this and a few other meetings (most of the time) but may be somewhat not here | 16:38 |
| edleafe | a gentleman of leisure | 16:39 |
| cdent | I'm going to have to try really hard | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | ack | 16:40 |
| cdent | anyway, thanks for a fun meeting, goodnight | 16:40 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:40 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 16:40 |
| edleafe | ciao! | 16:41 |
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| edleafe | guess he forgot | 16:42 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 16:42:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-01-16.00.html | 16:42 |
| elmiko | thank edleafe ! | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-01-16.00.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-01-16.00.log.html | 16:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard | how are things SumitNaiksatam ? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi there | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: good, you staying up late again :-) | 18:01 |
| annak | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:03 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: eheh, it's not too late.. hurrying a few patches up | 18:03 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hope things are good at your end | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yeah, before the gate breaks again :-) | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 1 18:03:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_1st_2017 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Ocata sync | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata sync (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:04 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: starting looking at your patches, and they look good | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *started | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: last week you mentioned there was something you wanted to discuss in this context | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you want to bring that up now? | 18:05 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I think i've just messed up the latest patch.. gerrit didn't understand I was rebasing :) will fix | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: oh okay | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | note that there were some gate issues late last night | 18:06 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I figured it out (the thing from last week) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: ah nice | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the gate was breaking with a “import six” error | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that i believe has been fixed this morning and patches are again passing the gate | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: anything you wanted to discuss about the ocata sync today? | 18:07 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: just about your suggestion - where to place the PLURALS workaround | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know that rkukura and tbachman have been busy with the ipv6 and dual stack stuff so they might have not had a chance to review yet | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yeah | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: it was more of a question | 18:08 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I'm not sure if there's a convention to avoid putting utils stuff in init | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: is it placed there to ensure that it always gets safely initialized? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i dont know of a written convention but sometimes it can have unintended effects | 18:09 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: no, just because I didn't find another good place | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know rkukura has some thoughts on placing things in __init__ :-) | 18:09 |
| rkukura | I just never think to look in __init__.py | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah :-) | 18:11 |
| annak | ah, another thing I wanted to verify about PLURALS is that only GBP resources need to be there | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we are discussing this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465755/2/gbpservice/neutron/extensions/__init__.py | 18:11 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam, annak: I don’t have any real issue with that. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yeah, whatever is defined in the GBP extensions | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol | 18:12 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: sorry I’m late | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i was in that kind of mode in the meeting today morning | 18:12 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (stumblig and panting) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so i am good with defining it __init__ as well | 18:13 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: ok :) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just FYI, tbachman’s dual stack patch was merged last week | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459823/ | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for your work on this | 18:13 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the help and reviews! | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: credit goes to you and rkukura | 18:14 |
| * tbachman notes that annak has already been busy at moving this to the RMD | 18:14 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yes, thats awesome | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak’s patch; #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469681/ | 18:15 |
| annak | its WIP but if you guys could have a quick look to verify the direction is ok | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yes sure | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and rkukura perhaps you can take a quick look too ^^^ | 18:15 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:15 |
| tbachman | had a quick look, but need to spend some time reviewin | 18:15 |
| tbachman | reviewing | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: sure, you have your hands full with the dual stack work, but that also makes you probably the best person to take a quick look at this since its fresh in your mind :-) | 18:16 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks again for all the progress! | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Pending NFP patches | 18:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pending NFP patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:17 | |
| annak | np | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seems songole is not here | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had a look at the patches, and i think they are close to getting merged | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will follow up with him | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:18 | |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: you pinged about qos last week or so right? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yes | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i backported your patch to stable/newton | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: however we were running into more problems | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: so we decided we will keep it in master and have it available starting Ocata | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: also avoids merging a feature into a “stable” branch | 18:20 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: okay! | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hope you are fine with that arrangement | 18:20 |
| igordcard | all good | 18:20 |
| annak | I have a q about tempest - is there a common suite of tests for all drivers? I need to start putting together tests for the NSX driver | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course if there is a strong customer/user need to have it in newton, we will revive the backport patch and get it merged | 18:21 |
| annak | (sorry for interrupting.. ) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: ah good question, but tough one :-) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: one thing we definitely did not do a good job as far as GBP is concerned is we didnt add temptest tests | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that meant we have been only relying shell scripts (exercise scripts to be more precise) in the devstack jobs to do the integration testing | 18:22 |
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| annak | oh I see.. I never looked how these were executed, but assumed they were tempest.. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: unfortunately not, they are shell scripts | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so short answer to your question, we dont have a tempest framework taht you can use for GBP | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: for the APIC/ACI drivers there are integration tests which are being used and which run in the gate as well | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: but these are more adhoc | 18:24 |
| annak | does it make sense to borrow some of the scripts for vmware job or these are too specific? | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yes sure, we can definitely explore that option | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: if you have a set of tempest tests, that you understand well and want to reuse here, we can definitely do that | 18:25 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: ok thanks, I'll look closer at that | 18:25 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I don't know much about tempest, but I'll ask around | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you can start by using those tests for, say the VMware driver, and over time we can generalize those | 18:26 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: yes, sounds reasonable | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: we are also following a practice of accepting driver or technology-specific stuff in the GBP contrib directory | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/tree/master/gbpservice/contrib | 18:27 |
| annak | thanks, will look at that too! | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so if its very specific to vmware you can put it there | 18:28 |
| annak | I need to go offline for 5 min, will rejoin if the meeting is still on | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above location is for putting main code | 18:28 |
| annak | if not - thanks for all the info and bye :) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is one more location: #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/tree/master/gbpservice/tests/contrib | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the tests | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks | 18:29 |
| annak | sorry for starting the topic and running away :( | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: np | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was planning to wrap up anyway :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman igordcard: anything more for today? | 18:29 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: nothing from me | 18:29 |
| rkukura | nothing from me | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks all for joining! | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see ya next week, bye! | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:30 | |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: bye! | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 1 18:30:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-01-18.03.html | 18:30 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-01-18.03.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-01-18.03.log.html | 18:30 |
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