Thursday, 2017-07-13

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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 13 14:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:00
toskyo/14:00
jeremyfreudbergo/14:00
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tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:04
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tellesnobregaI got the CDH image to work, turned out big part of the problem was a timeout due to my not so great internet connection14:04
tellesnobreganow I'm working on checking ambari and will move on to CDH 5.9.0 after that14:05
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jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, awesome!14:06
tosky- fixed sahara-image-elements for master, reduced the number of dependencies on sahara-files14:06
tosky- still working on doc, studying how it should be structured and how to import the only external doc (the configuration guide)14:06
tosky- not yet done, but going to write the email to infra about how much resources we can use (i.e. if we want to add some heavier jobs with non fake plugin14:06
jeremyfreudbergnot working on anything big now, unfortunately internal stuff keeps me too busy. looking into other "easy" artifacts to migrate to sahara-files. keeping my eye on hadoop 2.8.1 release, but unfortunately i think it will come too late14:07
toskyand S3? :)14:08
jeremyfreudbergs3 i'll put out a patch to add the jar to the images soon14:08
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, about hadoop 2.8.1, the feature deadline is july 24th I believe, maybe we should focus on other stuff for pike, it probably won't come with enough time14:09
tellesnobregacool14:09
tellesnobregahow is that spec progressing?14:09
tellesnobregaanything that I can help with?14:10
jeremyfreudbergi've been playing around with adding the s3 data source / jb types, like I said it's not that bad, but it'll take me a while to get it perfect14:10
jeremyfreudbergand adding it to saharaclient / saharadashboard might be too much for this release14:10
toskyabout jar: do we need to add the binary jar somewhere? It would be generated as artifact by sahara-extra? Is it available "verbatim" upstream?14:11
jeremyfreudbergtosky, about jar, every plugin that i've checked so far has the jar already on the image, it just needs to be moved into the classpath14:11
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toskyjeremyfreudberg: my question is a bit more basic: where does the source of this jar live?14:12
jeremyfreudbergtosky, the sources are in apache/hadoop within hadoop-tools14:12
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jeremyfreudbergand as far as I can tell, it's a single source of truth for hadoop-aws.jar, unlike hadoop-openstack.jar which is awkwardly split between us and apache14:13
toskyand can we consume them totally without patching them?14:13
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jeremyfreudbergthere shouldn't be any need to patch14:14
toskyperfect14:14
tellesnobregaawesome14:14
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tellesnobregaiwonka, do you want to update us on your progress?14:15
iwonkathere's a working function for import of ngt in rest api, i'm going to add import and export of ngt to ui now14:16
tellesnobregaimport or export? working in rest api?14:16
iwonkaexport, sorry14:17
tellesnobregagreat14:17
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tellesnobregaanymore news?14:18
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, iwonka, i really encourage you to finalize your exact ideas in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477671/ before doing too much more work14:18
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, true14:18
jeremyfreudbergalso, for more news, shyyingya has said hbase on vanilla will be up for review early next week14:19
tellesnobregaiwonka, can you rewrite the spec to reflect what we are doing now?14:19
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, that is great14:19
iwonkatellesnobrega: i think only changes about ui and cli should be added?14:20
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jeremyfreudbergiwonka, yep, i think the additions to the spec now will be pretty minimal14:21
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jeremyfreudbergjust good to plan out what you do14:21
tellesnobregayeah, and remove the part where we say we will add import on the server side, that will be only on end user side14:21
jeremyfreudbergyep14:21
tellesnobregathat is basically it14:21
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tellesnobrega#topic Queens PTG14:24
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tellesnobregaAbout the PTG, I know tosky put up a topic for discussion, just want to bring this up again so we can always take sometime to go back there and write some stuff14:25
tellesnobrega#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-queens-ptg14:25
toskythere were few other topics already :)14:25
toskyI just added a point to the deprecation part; I partially addressed with the "centos6 deprecation" spec14:25
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toskybut for example I didn't check (and I had no time for it) the status of ubuntu14:26
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jeremyfreudberg(speaking of ubuntu, anyone remember the limitation about ubuntu 16.04, if there is one? sorry, off topic)14:26
jeremyfreudberg(in terms of sahara images, i mean)14:27
toskythat's the point14:27
toskythe deprecation is "can we migrate to 16.04 and deprecate 14.04?"14:27
tellesnobregaI don't remember, I do have to check ubuntu images with the image gen process too14:28
jeremyfreudbergtosky, i see14:28
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toskyfirst point is the upstream support14:28
jeremyfreudbergit might be something about cloudera actually, i'll make a note to look into it14:28
tellesnobrega#action check if we can create ubuntu 16.04 images with SIE and follow up with deprecating ubuntu 14.0414:28
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, ^ can you do that?14:28
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, sure14:29
tellesnobregathanks14:29
toskyprobably vanilla too is more straightforward; the other distributions require the official support14:29
tellesnobregachanging the topic here14:30
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion14:30
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tellesnobregaso we don't get confused14:30
jeremyfreudbergNICE14:30
jeremyfreudbergoops, caps lock was on14:30
jeremyfreudberg*nice14:30
tellesnobregalooks like the topic change kinda broke the flow14:31
jeremyfreudbergtrue14:32
jeremyfreudbergi have other things to say, should i just start saying them?14:32
tellesnobregago ahead14:32
jeremyfreudbergthe python-saharaclient docs need to be migrated too14:32
jeremyfreudbergor actually, no14:33
jeremyfreudbergi guess they don14:33
jeremyfreudbergt even though we haven't done anything14:33
tellesnobregawhy is that?14:33
jeremyfreudbergthis is in reference to this email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119483.html14:34
jeremyfreudbergsays we would have needed to migrate, but https://docs.openstack.org/python-saharaclient/latest/ is already a valid link14:34
jeremyfreudbergi guess we still have to do the theme14:34
toskyoh, I forgot that theme there14:34
toskythe* theme14:35
tellesnobregaI guess the theme is a start, not sure if anything else is going to be needed, tosky is working on a plan to migrate the whole thing14:35
toskyfor python-saharaclient probably only the theme14:36
jeremyfreudbergmy idea exactly, let's let tosky handle it14:36
tellesnobregacool14:36
toskyiirc there was no much documentation in openstack-manuals to be migrated (sadly)14:36
toskythe only thing that needs to be migrated is the configuration guide14:36
tellesnobregacool14:36
toskyapart from that, the existing documentation should be reorganized a bit14:36
toskybut first let's land the image building reviews which changes it14:36
tosky:D14:36
tellesnobregaafter this migration we should take some time to do a big review on docs14:36
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tosky(note: remember the release notes for them, and in general, let's not forget to use reno more)14:37
tellesnobregatrue14:37
toskyI'm guilty myself of not using it too much14:37
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* tellesnobrega is guilty as well14:37
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tellesnobregaok, do we have anything else for today?14:39
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jeremyfreudbergthinking...14:40
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* jeremyfreudberg remembers14:40
toskynot from me (I think)14:40
jeremyfreudbergdefault templates are really out of date14:41
jeremyfreudbergthey should be updated before the release, for sure14:41
toskythat makes totally sense14:41
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tellesnobregatrue14:41
toskyand we can do probably even after the feature freeze, if it's not possible before; it's a bug fix14:42
tellesnobregaI can take a look into that14:42
tellesnobregaI know both of you are extremely busy14:42
jeremyfreudberg++ thanks14:42
tellesnobrega#action tellesnobrega to look into updating default templates14:42
tellesnobregathanks for bring it up14:43
toskytechnically you are busy too :)14:44
tellesnobregayeah, but you know... that is the job :)14:44
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jeremyfreudbergthat's it for me14:45
tellesnobregaI will try to squeeze that in14:45
jeremyfreudbergthanks for listening14:45
tellesnobrega:)14:45
tellesnobregaI guess this is for me too14:46
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tellesnobregathanks for the good work guys, lets try to keep this up14:47
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tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:47
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 13 15:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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mlavalle#chair haleyb15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: haleyb mlavalle15:00
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haleybhi15:01
mlavalle#chair Swami15:01
openstackCurrent chairs: Swami haleyb mlavalle15:01
Swamihi15:01
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mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavallePike-3 is less than two weeks away....15:01
mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html15:02
mlavalleJuly 24th - 28th15:02
mlavalleanother cycle practically gone15:02
Swamimlavalle: time runs fast15:03
mlavalleAnd the PTG is fast approaching. September 11th - 15th15:03
haleybi though time was relative?  if we speed up it will slow down :)15:03
mlavalle#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/15:03
Swamihaleyb: agreed15:03
mlavalleahhh, haleyb is a special relativity fan15:03
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* haleyb has been watching Einstein documentary recently15:04
* mlavalle and his wife have been doing the same15:04
haleybi have put in a request for the PTG, should be approved15:05
mlavalleFinally, tomorrow, July 14th is the deadline for submissions for the Sidney Summit talks15:05
SwamiI may or may not attend PTG, depends upon our approval.15:05
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mlavalleAny other announcements?15:06
haleybmlavalle: did you submit anything for Sydney?  I didn't think i'd be attending so spent time doing reviews15:06
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mlavalleI am going to make a submission with Swami. an update of routed networks progress, including floating ips15:07
haleyb+115:07
Swamihaleyb: we were planning to include the DVR fast path support for routed-networks15:07
mlavalleyeap15:08
haleybSwami: nice15:08
mlavalleany other announcements?15:08
mlavalleok, let's move on15:09
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:09
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mlavalleSwami: please fire away15:09
Swamimlavalle: thanks15:09
SwamiWe have two new bugs for DVR that was filed last week.15:09
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Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170279015:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1702790 in neutron "DVR Router update task fails when agent restarts" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:10
SwamiI have a patch up for review for this bug.15:10
SwamiLet me post the link15:10
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481321/15:10
Swamihaleyb: mlavalle: needs review15:11
haleyback15:11
Swamihaleyb: thanks15:11
mlavalleSwami: is that linuxbridge test failure related to the patchset?15:12
Swamimlavalle: don't think so.15:12
Swamimlavalle: I have seen that failure in other patches as well.15:12
mlavalleSwami: yeah, I just looked at them15:12
mlavalleI have been seeing those failures since yesterday in several patches15:13
SwamiThe next bug is15:13
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170276915:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1702769 in neutron "Binding info for DVR port not found error seen when notify_l2pop_port_wiring is called with DVR routers" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:13
SwamiI also have a patch to address this bug.15:13
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481311/15:14
SwamiThis needs review as well15:14
SwamiThose are the only two bugs that we have for this week.15:15
SwamiSince pike 3 is approaching, we need to review and push the allowed_address_pair patch.15:15
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/158369415:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583694 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Allowed_address_pair port that are bound to multiple ACTIVE VM ports" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:16
Swamihaleyb: mlavalle: could anyone of you tag this bug for the Pike3, right now it does not have any milestone attached.15:16
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466434/15:16
mlavalledone15:17
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/15:17
SwamiBoth these patches needs review. The server side is almost done and I need another +2 on it.15:17
haleybSwami: i think i just had one nit on the first review15:17
Swamihaleyb: let me know if I need to fix it and I can do a churn15:18
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haleybSwami: what about the other question?  was just this morning15:18
haleybfrom david shaughnessy15:18
mlavallefrom davidsh15:18
Swamihaleyb: I have not taken a look at it.15:19
haleybi'll take a look at the agent patch again today15:20
Swamihaleyb: mlavalle: the function naming was changed based on the previous comments from kevin.15:20
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Swamihaleyb: but if it is misleading I can change it again.15:20
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davidshaSwami: Ack, I'll read the conversations on it. it was just a small nit.15:21
haleybSwami: let me look, but kevin did give the +2 :)15:21
Swamidavidsha: thanks for your comments. I will go through it once again to see what is best and will update the patch.15:22
Swamimlavalle: back to you.15:22
mlavalleSwami: thanks for the update15:22
mlavalleFirst one I have today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168322715:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1683227 in neutron "test_legacy_router test cases sometimes fail with: Cannot find device "qg-*" when moving it into a namespace" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:23
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mlavalleI came up with a good Kibana query for this one15:23
mlavalleit is happening at a rate of about once a week15:23
mlavallein the functional tests15:24
mlavallewe add a router interface (it may be qr-* or qg-*) to br-int15:24
mlavalleovs logs the addition of the interface15:25
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mlavallethe interface is handled by the test15:25
mlavalleand the when trying to move the interface to the namespace, we don't find it15:26
mlavalleafter the failure, we can see ovs logging the addition of the inerface to the bridge a second time15:26
mlavallehere's a combination/summary of the ovs and functional test logs:15:27
mlavalle#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/615193/15:27
mlavalleI checked with otherwiseguy to see if he had any suggestions. he didn't have any15:28
Swamisounds odd15:28
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haleybmight be time for an email to ovs-dev ML?15:29
mlavallewe have seen it before. in fact, the method failing has a temporrary fix by kevinbenton while we get to the bottom of the failure15:29
mlavallethat was a few months ago15:29
mlavalleso yeah, yesterday I filed a bug with bugs@openvswitch.org15:30
haleybhidden port syndrome or something like that15:30
mlavalleand this morning I confirmed in the ovs irc channel that is the correct way to report bugs15:30
mlavallehaleyb: that's exactly it15:31
mlavalleI could move the addition of the interface to the namespace inside kevinbenton's temporary fix15:31
mlavallebut I think it is best to try to get to the bottom of it15:32
mlavalleespecially since it is not happening that often, so it is not pressing15:32
haleybshort-term moving the neutron code might be good idea since getting an OVS in and through distros could take time15:33
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haleybbut if it's not often we can wait15:33
haleybhopefully that made sense, bad spelling15:34
mlavalleyeah, unless it becomes more pressing, I'd like to wait15:34
mlavalleif there are no more comments, let's move on15:35
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/169476415:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1694764 in neutron "test_metadata_proxy_respawned failed to spawn metadata proxy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:36
mlavalleI tried to find ocurrences of this one in Kibana15:36
mlavalleI couldn't find any15:36
mlavalleI updated the bug with the query I am using15:36
mlavalleand I will monitor Kibana for a few days15:37
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mlavalleany other bugs we should discuss today?15:38
mlavalleok, moving on15:39
mlavalle#topic DNS15:39
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mlavallewe made progress with the series of 3 patchsets15:40
mlavallehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/457035/ was approved. Thanks haleyb15:40
mlavallethis one depeneds on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457101/ that needs one more +215:41
mlavalleand the last one awaiting reviews is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468697/15:41
mlavalleI addressed kevinbenton comments on this last one15:41
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mlavallethat's it15:41
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:42
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haleybmlavalle: there were comments on that last one from hirofumi15:42
haleyberr, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457101/15:42
mlavalleok, I will respond to those15:43
mlavalleany other topics?15:43
Swamimlavalle: I don't have any other topic to discuss15:44
haleybi am out next week if you're looking for me, that's all for me15:44
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mlavallegoing to the beach?15:44
Swamihaleyb: golf15:44
haleybboth, am i that predictable? :)15:44
mlavallehave fun :-)15:45
Swamihaleyb: based on your past history15:45
Swamihaleyb: enjoy15:45
mlavalleit doesn't matter as long as you are having fun, haleyb :-)15:45
davidshaI'm going to be drafting an RFE for the openflow PoC next week, just for a heads up.15:45
haleybthanks, i just follow the cooler around15:45
mlavalledavidsha: that's cool15:45
mlavallethanks!15:45
Swamidavidsha: thanks15:46
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mlavalleok guys, talk to you next week15:46
mlavalle#endmeeting15:46
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jul 13 15:46:40 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:46
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davidshathanks, cya!15:46
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-07-13-15.00.log.html15:46
Swamimlavalle: haleyb : davidsha: bye15:46
haleybbye15:47
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elmiko#startmeeting api-wg16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 13 16:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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elmiko#chair cdent edleafe16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko16:00
elmikoanyone lurking about?16:00
cdento/16:01
cdentI believe edleafe is fetching a glass of water16:01
elmikocool16:01
cdentthese meetings are parching work16:01
edleafe\o16:01
elmikototally16:01
* edleafe swallows quickly16:01
elmikojust a heads up, i'm listening in on a company meeting as well16:02
elmikoso, kinda bifurcated atm16:02
* cdent will drive16:02
cdent#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda16:02
elmikothanks, i appreciate it =)16:02
cdent#topic old biz16:03
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cdent#link last meeting log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-07-06-16.00.html16:03
cdentno action items from that meeting16:03
cdent#topic new biz16:03
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cdentpeople are starting to talk about ptg planning, and I landed in a discussion with rocky that had an interesting idea: http://p.anticdent.org/1X6I16:04
cdentwhich was to do “does my project align with the guidelines” meet and greets16:04
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cdentbecause unless we do something and don’t have microversions to talk about, no one will show up16:04
elmikoi like the idea16:05
edleafeSo send something out to all project PTLs?16:05
elmikoany thoughts about how this will scale if we get more than say 3-4 requests?16:05
cdentsome kind of announcement in advance to say that the opportunity will be there16:05
cdentif we get a let than it can become more generic I suppose?16:05
cdentlistening to some other projects issues/concerns is bound to be educational for everyone involved16:06
elmikoi like that a lot, i've always wanted to see something to help projects out in this area16:06
edleafecdent: we'd need some prior work to know what the issues are16:06
edleafeIOW, we can't just do a wholesale review of their entire API16:06
elmiko+116:07
cdentwould we? I was thinking something fairly informal? “We’re not sure we’re doing this right?” “yeah, you’re not it should be like this”16:07
cdentIf we like the idea in general we can tune the details (we have a fair bit of time)16:07
elmikothat would be ideal, maybe some sort of form we could provide to help participants think about the best questions to ask the wg?16:07
edleafecdent: well, at least have them come with specific concerns16:07
elmikoedleafe: +116:08
cdentyeah16:08
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cdentso our action from here would be “chew on this and come up with a plan” or something more specific?16:09
elmikoyeah, i would go even further and maybe come up with an initial draft of our pitch that we could host on the wiki or something16:10
cdent#action elmiki to come up with an initial draft of our pitch that we could host on the wiki or something16:10
elmikobut i'm +1 for "chew on this and come up with a plan"16:10
edleafeand possibly send out to project PTLs. No one reads out wiki (or anyone else's)16:10
elmikohaha, i stepped in that one didn't i16:10
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cdentoh hoisted on my own typo16:10
cdent#undo16:11
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action elmiki to come up with an initial draft of our pitch that we could host on the wiki or something16:11
cdent: #action elmiko to come up with an initial draft of our pitch that we could host on the wiki or something16:11
elmikoedleafe: i was proposing wiki as a place we could collaborate before sending16:11
cdent#action everyone to chew on the idea to flesh out a plan for ptg-based api-review16:11
elmikoand then it would be reference for later, i would like to see some seed info to help the ptls come with appropriate expectations and information16:11
cdentyeah, that would be nice16:12
cdentAny other new business or open topics anyone would like to bring up?16:13
edleafeelmiko: I knew that. :)16:13
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elmiko=)16:13
elmikonothing from me16:14
* elmiko doesn't want to get hit with another action item16:14
cdent#topic guidelines16:14
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cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:14
cdentI think we’re still in the same space we were in last week: continued effort from mordred on his novel, not yet ready16:15
elmikoseems like it16:15
edleafeyup16:15
cdent#topic bug review16:15
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cdent#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:16
cdentalso same, I believe16:16
cdentI’m still working out my real schedule, but I think I might be able to eke some time out for some of these16:16
cdentat least we don’t add many16:17
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:17
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cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter16:17
cdentelmiko already got volunteered for something, so I guess it wouldn’t be fair...16:17
elmikohehe16:17
cdentedleafe is in the belly of nova resource tracker code, so adding to his load would just hard (unles you want to?)16:18
edleafeI can do it. It would be a nice break from that ironic stuff16:18
elmikooh wow16:18
cdenthave at16:18
elmikospeaking of the ptg, are any of us gonna be there?16:18
edleafeI am16:18
cdenti have to be in denver that week for tc/board meeting so I will16:18
elmikoah, cool16:19
elmikoi don't have plans to be there, was more curious about any api-wg activities16:19
cdentso clearly we need to come up with some way to get you there elmiko16:19
cdentfor these office hours16:19
elmikoapi review booth, ala http://frontierpsychiatrist.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/lucy-psychiatrist.gif ?16:19
cdentexactly so16:19
edleafeWe'll have to charge much more, though16:20
elmikowhen is the ptg?16:20
cdentseptember 1116:20
edleafethru 1516:20
elmikodon't think i have a conflict, so it's at least possible16:20
elmikomight be a tough sell to my team though16:21
edleafewhat could go wrong, flying on September 11?16:21
elmikohehe16:21
elmikoi'll put out some feelers to see if i might be able to make it16:21
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* edleafe was at a conference in San Diego on 2001.09.1116:21
elmikowould we actually do some sort of "office hours" there?16:21
cdentthat was the original proposal: that in the absence of anything else to talk about for the two days of room that we have, we can do the office hours16:22
cdentthe api-wg sessions at the last ptg were hugely attended16:22
cdentin part because we had a big room16:22
elmikothat's cool to hear16:22
cdentin part because we were takling about microversions16:22
elmikohence your comment in the tc mtg ;)16:23
edleafeand API stability/compatibility16:23
cdentedleafe: yeah, but everybody thought that was microversions in compability clothing, thus the energy, maybe?16:24
elmikoit'll be tough, my schedule is going to be crazy this fall but perhaps i could make it for the api-wg days. is there a schedule out yet for the ptg?16:24
cdentmonday and tuesday for ptg16:24
cdentyeah, one sec16:24
cdents/ptg/api-wg16:24
elmikoack, thanks16:24
elmikoi'll see if it's possible16:24
cdenthttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/edit#gid=39724131216:25
elmikothanks16:25
cdentso if edleafe has the newsletter, any thing else or shall we call it and await a proofing ping from ed?16:26
elmikonothing more from me16:26
edleafeI'm good16:27
cdentthen thank you very much16:28
cdent#endmeeting16:28
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elmikolikewise cdent =)16:28
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rkukurahi SumitNaiksatam!18:00
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: hi18:01
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SumitNaiksatamannak: hi18:01
annakhi!18:01
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: do you know if tbachman is planning to join?18:01
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: don’t know18:02
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: ah right on cue :-)18:02
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 13 18:02:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#July_13th.2C_6th_201718:02
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tbachman:)18:03
tbachmansorry for being late18:03
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: np18:03
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Proposal to add Anna K and Thomas B to core team18:03
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tbachman:)18:03
SumitNaiksatamannak: tbachman: a warm welcome once again! :-)18:03
* tbachman throws hat in the air18:03
annakthanks again for the honor!18:03
tbachmanthanks to all!18:04
SumitNaiksatamannak: equally an honor and pleasure to have you on the team18:04
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: annak: thanks for agreeing to take on the responsibility18:04
SumitNaiksatam#topic Ocata sync18:04
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tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thanks for bringing us aboard!18:04
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: np18:05
* tbachman ^5’s annak 18:05
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ocata_sync18:05
annaktbachman: :)18:05
SumitNaiksatamso our main patches are merged18:05
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: annak: thanks for that huge effort!18:05
SumitNaiksatami started posting the client, UI and heat patches18:05
SumitNaiksatamyeah big thanks to annak on that18:06
SumitNaiksatami just posted a new revision on the client patch, and i have also posted a test patch in the GBP repo which points to the client patch (and will eventually also to the UI and heat patch)18:06
SumitNaiksatamif the client patch works, we would need to merge that first18:07
SumitNaiksatamsince the other repos depend on clinet18:07
SumitNaiksatam*client18:07
SumitNaiksatamclient changes were minor18:07
SumitNaiksatamwaiting for the devstack gate test result18:07
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: at some point were you planning to look at getting rid of the dependency of some of the apic repos?18:08
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:08
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: Assuming that passes, any reason to hold off before merging the client patch?18:08
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay thanks18:08
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i dont think so, but i myself need to validate, i will +1 the client patch, and that should serve as a indication that we are good to go18:09
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sound okay?18:09
rkukuraok, I’ll give all an initial review ASAP18:09
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yes please, thanks18:09
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: based on how we decide to proceed, some of the changes which i made in the sumit/* branches (in say the apicapi repo) may not be required at all18:10
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: so we can remove the dependency and just delete that branch18:10
tbachmank18:10
tbachmanI think we have a patch to move some of the agent stuff18:10
tbachmanand then there’s the topic name18:11
tbachmanbut aside from that, I think that was it18:11
tbachmanhoepfully not too much18:11
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: perfect, so you have it tracked :-)18:11
SumitNaiksatami was just typing that up18:11
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack. More or less ;)18:11
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: that my recollection as well18:11
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: i know you are busy with the release effort18:12
tbachmanno worries18:12
tbachmanI think there was a question on the allowed-address-pairs stuff, too18:12
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: so this is obviously less priority than that18:12
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:12
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: need to refresh my memory on that, but i believe it was a matter of moving a table schema definition or something like that18:13
tbachmanright18:13
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SumitNaiksatamokay anything else on ocata_sync?18:13
SumitNaiksatammoving on18:14
SumitNaiksatam#topic VMware NSX Policy Driver18:14
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/45392518:14
SumitNaiksatami went through the patch18:14
annakSumitNaiksatam: thanks for your comments, I'm working on them18:14
SumitNaiksatamannak: np18:14
SumitNaiksatami am not familiar with the backend18:15
SumitNaiksatamso i cant validate that part18:15
annakyes, of course18:15
SumitNaiksatambut i had some questions based on the configuration and because of that i was having a hard time try to reconcile with how this works18:15
SumitNaiksatambut its quite possible i am misunderstanding the test configuration18:16
SumitNaiksatamother than that the patch looked good to me18:16
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SumitNaiksatamif annak can valiate that it works, i am good to move forward18:16
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman: any thoughts?18:16
SumitNaiksatami know you guys also looked at it at different times18:16
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: I gave some initial comments (just nits). I’ll have a look at the recently-updated patch set18:17
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: sure18:17
SumitNaiksatamand i assume this is going to evolve over time18:17
rkukuraI have not given it a detailed review yet, but will today18:17
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks18:17
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SumitNaiksatamif annak is comfortable, hopefully we can merge this by the end of the week?18:17
SumitNaiksatam(assuming review comments are provided and addressed)18:18
annakregarding devstack - some config is missing indeed, and its a good idea to spawn all possible config from gbp side (such as core plugin)18:18
SumitNaiksatamannak: yeah18:18
annakSumitNaiksatam: yes, once the config side is done18:18
SumitNaiksatamannak: you also mentioned you would be setting up a gate job18:18
SumitNaiksatamannak: it of course will be a follow up18:19
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SumitNaiksatambut the devstack configuration would be helpful there18:19
annakSumitNaiksatam: yes, but it will take some time - maybe a couple of weeks. the backend is still in development and some of the infra is missing18:19
SumitNaiksatamannak: yes absolutely understandable18:20
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SumitNaiksatamannak: if you dont mind could you summarize in a few sentences as to how using the policy dirver here would be different from say, using NSX core plugin with the Neutron API?18:20
SumitNaiksatamhopefully that would set a good context for the reviewers18:20
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SumitNaiksatamannak: still there?18:22
annakSumitNaiksatam: assuming I understood the q correctly: the new driver configures all security stuff directly on the policy manager, bypassing neutron security groups, which is more effective18:23
SumitNaiksatamannak: okay18:23
annaknsx manager and policy manager are two different endpoints, and policy manager in turn configures the nsx manager18:23
SumitNaiksatamannak: ah okay, that is good to know18:24
annaknsx core plugin works against nsx manager18:24
SumitNaiksatamokay, good to know18:24
annakpolicy manager is a new solution that is intent-based, same idea basically as GBP18:25
SumitNaiksatamannak: okay18:25
tbachmanintent is the new policy ;)18:25
SumitNaiksatamannak: perhaps in the devref you can add a pointer to any public document that may be available on this18:25
SumitNaiksatamannak: that will help anyone who wants to use this to understand readliy as to what componets are at play18:26
annakbut at current stage only the grouping objects and security maps between them is supported, so I inherited the connectivity part from resource mapping driver18:26
annakSumitNaiksatam: yes, will do18:26
SumitNaiksatamannak: sure, you have mentioned that in the patch, makes sense18:26
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman do you have any more questions for annak on this?18:26
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: not at this moment18:26
tbachmanwill put any q’s I have in the gerrit18:26
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam, annak: that was very helpful18:26
tbachmanrkukura: ack on that18:27
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: sure18:27
rkukurano immediate questions from me18:27
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks18:27
SumitNaiksatammoving on18:27
SumitNaiksatam#topic Subnetpools in resource_mapping driver18:27
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/46968118:27
SumitNaiksatamsorry, i dont have any new input on this yet, didnt spend any more time after the last discussion18:28
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: same18:28
SumitNaiksatamperhaps we can get back to this after the NSX driver is merged and the ocata_sync is completed18:28
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i believe you have been thinking about this in the background (in the context of the migration effortZ)18:29
annakok18:29
SumitNaiksatam*effort18:29
rkukuraI started looking at thge patch again18:29
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay18:29
rkukuracan someone remind me what the main issue was that seemed difficult to resolve, or am I totally confused?18:30
annakrkukura: inability to configure subnets on same network from different address scope18:30
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SumitNaiksatamannak: nicely summarized18:31
tbachmanannak: even worse, different subnetpools18:31
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: ack18:31
annaksorry, different subnetpools :)18:31
SumitNaiksatamand we need to do that since we were have to deal with the proxy_ip_pool (which is currently a separate pool from the l3p)18:31
rkukurathanks. And whats the scenario where this would happen, given all subnets in an L2P should use the L3P’s subnetpool?18:31
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ^^^18:32
rkukuraright18:32
rkukuraits all coming back now18:32
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SumitNaiksatamannak: just to fill you in on the context of “migration”18:32
SumitNaiksatamsince we might reference this18:32
SumitNaiksatamwe are trying to figure out a way to migrate the old apic driver to the new one (aim_mapping)18:33
annakok18:33
SumitNaiksatamthe migration requires preserving the entire GBP/Neutron model18:33
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SumitNaiksatamand just adjusting the mapping18:33
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SumitNaiksatambut in a similar vein, we might even need to think about migrating older GBP users (prior to the use of subnetpools and address-scopes)18:34
SumitNaiksatamto now, where every subnet will always have a subnetpool associated18:35
annakyes, makes sense18:35
SumitNaiksatamrkukura has been mostly leading the discussion on this18:35
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SumitNaiksatambut i thought it will be good to share the context here18:36
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything you want to add?18:36
annakSumitNaiksatam: thanks for the context!18:36
SumitNaiksatamannak: you might see some patches around this, so hopefully you wont be surprised :-)18:36
rkukuraI’m hoping we can build a set of tools to handle the AIM plugin migration, and that one of these that takes care of the addition of subnetpools and address scopes might be usable for other PDs as well18:36
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: nice18:37
rkukuraI do have a shorter term question on this18:37
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rkukuramany projects (nova, neutron, …) try to support deployments that are based directly off the git repos, without any commit breaking anything for running deployments18:38
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: you mean stable branches or trunk-chasers?18:39
rkukuraif we merge the switch to using pools and scopes, without a migration solution, we obviously wouldn’t be supporting these sorts of users18:39
rkukuratrunk-chasers is the term I was trtying to recall18:39
SumitNaiksatambut i guess in GBP context my question is not as relevant18:39
SumitNaiksatamsince we aggressively backport18:39
rkukurais it safe to assume GBP has no trunk-chasers? I don’t think we’ve worried too much about this in the past, but want to bring it up since the project has evolved18:40
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: good question, i could have said with confidence in the past18:40
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rkukuraI guess there could be stable branch trunk chasers too18:40
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah, and which is the case18:40
SumitNaiksatamwell let me backtrack slightly18:41
SumitNaiksatami am not aware of anyone building their own GBP packages, and deploying them18:41
rkukuramy view is we shoiuld not delay merging the subnetpool patch to our master, but just want to make sure18:42
SumitNaiksatamthere are obviously people deploying from packages that are build from the stable branches18:42
SumitNaiksatami dont know of anyone using a packages that is built from the master18:42
SumitNaiksatamwe support devstack like deployments for the master18:43
SumitNaiksatambut we dont support and recommend deploying anything production from the master18:43
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i imagine i am just restating/reinforcing your assumptions?18:44
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rkukuraI noticed there is a use_subnetpools config item in the patch. If setting this to false keeps the old behavior, maybe we should default it to false initially18:44
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: okay, makes sense to me18:45
annakrkukura: i think its only in resource_mapping patch, not in the aim patch?18:46
SumitNaiksatami dont think songole is here18:46
SumitNaiksatamso we can skip the next agenda topic on NFP (i am looking at those patches)18:46
rkukuraannak: I don’t believe its configurable in AIM, and would prefer not to keep supporting the old way any longer than necessary18:47
annakrkukura: ok, I can change the default18:47
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yeah, to the best of my recollection, aim_mapping will always use subnetpools18:47
rkukuraIt would be ideal if new deployments defaulted to True, but upgrading an existing deployment to a new commit would default to False - maybe we should code the default as False and have devstack set it to True?18:48
annakrkukura: ok (assuming there are any existing deployments..)18:49
SumitNaiksatamannak: good point :-)18:50
rkukuraannak: maybe we don’t need to worry about trunk-chasers18:50
SumitNaiksatamthere are, but rkukura’s earlier comment regarding migrating the apic drivers will take care of those deployments18:50
rkukuraso maybe we keep this configurable until we have a migration tool, then phase out support for non-subnetpool usage18:51
annaki meant deployments that depend on resource_mapping18:51
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SumitNaiksatamannak: right, i am not aware of but we might need to check with nfp because they were supporting some folks using resource_mapping driver earlier18:52
rkukuraok, lets move this discussion to the review18:52
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ack18:53
SumitNaiksatamanything else for today?18:53
annakok18:53
rkukuranot from me18:53
annakis anyone planning to go to PTG/Sydney?18:53
tbachman:)18:53
* tbachman would love a free trip to Australia :)18:54
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: +118:54
rkukuralets all go18:54
SumitNaiksatamannak: not planning, too far! :-(18:54
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: i like the spirit18:54
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SumitNaiksatamannak: you planning to go?18:54
annakI'm thinking whether I should ask :)18:55
SumitNaiksatamannak: yes its good to think before you ask, but you might get what you want :-)18:56
SumitNaiksatamso anyone going to Sydney, please update the team18:56
annakSumitNaiksatam: :)18:56
SumitNaiksatamwill be nice for the others to know18:56
SumitNaiksatammay be those on the fence will change their minds :-)18:57
SumitNaiksatamalrighty thanks all18:57
SumitNaiksatamsee you next week18:57
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: thanks!18:57
rkukurathanks SumitNaiksatam!18:57
annakthanks, bye!18:57
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:57
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