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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 31 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:00 |
| crushil | \o | 14:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 14:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (◍˃̶ᗜ˂̶◍)ﾉ” | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| gcb | \o/ welcome everyone | 14:00 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:01 | |
| jungleboyj | Nothing to report from Cinder. :-) | 14:01 |
| gcb | jungleboyj, thanks | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi, not a red flag but i have one bug which affects many projects in doc-mirgation | 14:02 |
| amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1705245 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705245 in oslo.config "sphinxext: duplicated group names in the rendered text" [Undecided,New] | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | amotoki: I have been seeing that one too. | 14:02 |
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| jungleboyj | I think I figured out part of the problem. | 14:03 |
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| amotoki | do you see several causes? | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | Well, the one I did see was because it looks like it is rendering the tables and then when it tries to include them into the doc it shows up as a duplicate. | 14:05 |
| jungleboyj | You can either changes the included files to use the .inc file extension or you can exclude the paths with those files in the setup for sphinx. | 14:06 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't tried either yet as I just found the possible problem yesterday. | 14:06 |
| jungleboyj | I can put what I found into the bug. | 14:07 |
| gcb | amotoki: I don't have idea about this bug, will dig into tomorrow if others have no time to dig :-) | 14:08 |
| gcb | jungleboyj: please add what you found | 14:08 |
| amotoki | thanks. I also try to dig into the detail. | 14:08 |
| jungleboyj | gcb: Will do. :-) | 14:08 |
| jungleboyj | Dealing with several doc build issues. | 14:08 |
| gcb | other red flags ? | 14:09 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:09 | |
| gcb | we just cut off branch stable/pike for each oslo library last week | 14:10 |
| gcb | will hold on master release until cycle Queens is open, and will release stable/pike if we fix critical bugs | 14:10 |
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| gcb | please ping me if you think we need a new release for stable/pike | 14:11 |
| gcb | #topic Denver PTG | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:12 | |
| gcb | The next PTG is closing, please add item in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-queens | 14:13 |
| gcb | If you didn't get budget from your manager, please try to apply the travel support program and let me know: | 14:14 |
| gcb | The second round of travel support is still taking applications until August 6t | 14:14 |
| gcb | s/6t/6th | 14:14 |
| gcb | https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/travelsupportptg_denver | 14:14 |
| gcb | above is the link for travel support | 14:14 |
| gcb | #topic PTL for Queens | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL for Queens (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:16 | |
| gcb | according to https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html, Jul 31 - Aug 04 is week for Queens PTLs self-nomination | 14:17 |
| gcb | As you know, I don't intend to run for run Oslo PTL for Queens and post the email in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119780.html | 14:18 |
| gcb | Feel free to ping me if you want to run for Oslo PTL. I would be glad to help | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I would also be happy to act as a mentor if we have a new ptl candidate | 14:19 |
| gcb | dhellmann: thanks , if no one else is in a position at the moment where they can do this then I'm up for another round | 14:20 |
| gcb | I hope we can find a new ptl candidate :-) | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 14:21 |
| gcb | so please submit ptl nomination candidacy before the deadline if any oslo core reviewers want to run for PTL | 14:23 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:23 | |
| kgiusti | hey - we've got some problems is messaging land... | 14:24 |
| kgiusti | first the easy one: kombu 4.10 was released and breaks an assumption in one of the rabbit unit tests | 14:24 |
| kgiusti | I have a fix - I think it's ok to remove that assumption | 14:25 |
| kgiusti | But... there's a bigger problem looming: it seems that nova is relying on vhost support from messaging. | 14:26 |
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| kgiusti | that's a problem because the notion of "apache httpd vhost" is not common for all messaging systems. | 14:26 |
| kgiusti | for example qpidd, activemq - no notion of vhost | 14:27 |
| gcb | kgiusti: ack , the first issue http://logs.openstack.org/71/489171/1/check/gate-oslo.messaging-python27-ubuntu-xenial/51ce7ca/testr_results.html.gz can be fixed easily | 14:27 |
| kgiusti | I think I have a way to mimic that feature in amqp1, but as far as zeromq, kafka are concerned I don't have an answer yet. | 14:27 |
| kgiusti | gcb: for that I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488563/1 | 14:28 |
| gcb | kgiusti, you mean nova are using vhost now ? | 14:28 |
| kgiusti | It appears so - see devstack: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/lib/rpc_backend#n112 | 14:29 |
| kgiusti | I'm working on a couple of patches that can fix this for amqp1 (I think): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488610/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478537/ | 14:30 |
| kgiusti | and the qpid dispatch router is working on multi-tenant support, which should fix this but is not available as of today. | 14:30 |
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| kgiusti | that's all I have for now. | 14:31 |
| gcb | kgiusti, I guess vhost should be a option ,right ? | 14:31 |
| kgiusti | it's actually part of the transport url definition | 14:31 |
| kgiusti | so it's already part of the api | 14:32 |
| kgiusti | we've (oslo) never actually tested it it appears | 14:32 |
| kgiusti | whoever turned this on for devstack apparently decided to only support rabbitmq | 14:33 |
| kgiusti | which is the prevailing viewpoint IMHO | 14:34 |
| kgiusti | we really need nova et al to add non-rabbit tests to their CI process. | 14:34 |
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| kgiusti | or we'll always be hitting these issues ;( | 14:34 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, so devstack works well for all drivers of oslo.messaging now, you point out only rabbit uses this option | 14:38 |
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| kgiusti | gcb only rabbit supports that option, and now nova is apparently using it. | 14:39 |
| gcb | kgiusti, we'd better add something to note only rabbit support vhost | 14:39 |
| kgiusti | gcb: we're effectively removing support for all non-rabbit backends in that case - if that means nova can only work with rabbit | 14:40 |
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| kgiusti | I think the genie is out of the bottle - we need to get the other drivers to support vhost somehow. | 14:40 |
| kgiusti | I think I can get amqp1 to work, but I can't imagine how a point-2-point system like zeromq will go about this. | 14:41 |
| gcb | kgiusti, I saw your point, we should test other drivers not only for rabbit | 14:41 |
| kgiusti | On our side I'll add a vhost-based functional test. | 14:42 |
| kgiusti | I would've been nice to know this was coming at least. | 14:42 |
| gcb | add two jobs? one with vhost support , the other is not ? | 14:42 |
| kgiusti | gcb: not just add a test to the existing functional tests | 14:43 |
| kgiusti | gcb: I'll post a patch at some point. | 14:43 |
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| gcb | kgiusti, ack. I'm not sure Nova guys know the discussion, did you post a email before ? I didn't check the dev ML recently | 14:45 |
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| kgiusti | not yet - wanted to see if anyone else in the group had a better idea(s) | 14:46 |
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| kgiusti | but I'll do that today. | 14:46 |
| gcb | kgiusti: thanks | 14:46 |
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| gcb | please add me as reviewer if you have any patch ready to review | 14:46 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 14:47 |
| gcb | dhellmann, I should hold off on landing the constraint URL changes for stable/pike, I just read the email :( | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | gcb : it's not a big deal. if they landed and cause a problem, we can revert | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | the requirements repo should be branching soon anyway | 14:49 |
| gcb | dhellmann, okay | 14:49 |
| gcb | dhellmann, do you think it is necessary to apply tc:approved tag for oslo libraries ? | 14:50 |
| gcb | s/tc:approved/ tc:approved-released | 14:51 |
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| gcb | Our time is running out, maybe we can discuss the topic later in #openstack-oslo | 14:56 |
| gcb | any other topic ? | 14:56 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:57 |
| crushil | thanks | 14:58 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 31 14:58:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 14:58 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 31 15:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 15:00 |
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| mgershen | o/ | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: hi | 15:01 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, apetrich: hi | 15:02 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: hi | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | willing to join? | 15:02 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: let's wait a couple of mins | 15:02 |
| rakhmerov | if nobody else joins we'll end it ) | 15:03 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: ok | 15:03 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: ok, I think we know updates of each other :) | 15:05 |
| mgershen | I hope so :D | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | yep, so let's wrap it up | 15:05 |
| mgershen | ok | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: bye! thanks :) Talk to you tomorrow | 15:05 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:06 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 31 17:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| crushil | \o | 17:00 |
| nicodemos | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | who's up for having some ironic meeting on the last day of July? :) | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| etingof | o/\/ | 17:00 |
| kaifeng | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| anupn | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| tiendc | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| fellypefca | o/ | 17:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| mrtenio|afk | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rloo | although not having a meeting today would be nice too :) | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | nope ;) | 17:01 |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
| baha | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | hi and welcome everyone, who wants and who does not want a meeting :) | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual can be found at | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| sauloaislan | o/ | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | we have some today! | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | #info Soft feature freeze starting tomorrow, Aug 1st | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | this is probably the most important one. starting tomorrow, we should concentrate on priorities and small vendor features, as well as, obviously, bug fixes and documentation improvements | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | (see my email to openstack-dev a couple of weeks ago for details) | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | #info Pike branches created for all library projects | 17:03 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | sushy, ironic-lib, python-{ironic,ironic-inspector-}client now have stable/pike. no new features will go to Pike for these projects | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #info We're about to remove the SSH drivers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481688/ | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | you saw this one coming, right? ;) | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | and the last but not the least: | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #info PTL nominations start tomorrow - don't forget to nominate yourself | 17:05 |
| rloo | is it already there, or is someone planning on adding ssh driver to that other project that i always forget the name of? | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | tagging drivers | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | ironic-staging-drivers? | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | nope | 17:05 |
| rloo | yeah, that one | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | we have a libvirt-based driver there, dunno if we want another one | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | *Staging | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | I'm definitely not planning on it | 17:06 |
| rloo | just asking/mentioning, in case someone wants it still | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | that's all from me. other announcements/reminders? questions? | 17:06 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: next week is rc1 target week - doesn't apply to us, right | 17:06 |
| vdrok | what's the ironic dates on the ptg planning etherpad? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | I *think* it does not | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and Hard StringFreeze -- that affects exception strings? | 17:07 |
| vdrok | is it wed-fri? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | rloo: all translated strings | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: yes | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | rloo: we can be a bit relaxed about it, given that we've never had any serious translations | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | but yes, it affects everything within _() | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:07 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we should decide? on a date before week of Aug21, for feature freeze or whatever? | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | sorry? | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: that's the 'final rcs and intermediary releases week' | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | yep, so that week is our target | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | we should probably slow down active feature development a week before, which leaves not so much time for features, really | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yes, that's what i wanted to know ^^. at least 1 week before :) | 17:09 |
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| dtantsur | this is now a hard promise, just let's try not to rush everything in on the last day :) | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | keep in mind that the gate load will keep increasing | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | And the gate isn't reliable right now :( | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | well, vdrok reminded me: | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard starting with line 124 | 17:12 |
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| rloo | congrats to BFV folks for getting the nova patch landed! hip hip hurray! | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | good job, really! | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | rloo: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408556/ the last big code patch for rolling upgrades? | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | FYI: I'm working on a little script that I can watch specific patches and keep doing recheck if Jenkins fails. | 17:14 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yes, that's the plan. unless someone proves otherwise! | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: Recheck-as-a-Service! | 17:14 |
| xavierr | lol | 17:14 |
| * rloo sad that jlvillal has to write a script for that | 17:14 | |
| dtantsur | this is actually quite sad :( at least make sure to use elastic recheck messages wisely | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: heh. Well I kept watching patches during the weekend and thought there had to be a better way | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | yeah, me too | 17:14 |
| rloo | thx jlvillal! | 17:15 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: if i understand correctly, the only stuff we *have* to get done wrt driver comp, are docs? | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: for Pike I mean | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rloo: this is correct | 17:16 |
| rpioso | rloo, dtantsur: drac h/w type, too. | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | I put it a bit later on agenda, but I guess I'll mention it now: what about adding as-ha's client refactoring to the priorities list? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1699547 | 17:17 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and for OSC default API version change. we're done for PIke, can remove that item. How are we tracking the actual switch in Queens? Is it in ptg etherpad as a priority or something? | 17:17 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: yup, I'm all for it | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | rpioso: this is really nice to have (as well as other hardware types), but that's not a critical priority (release blocker, so to say :) | 17:17 |
| vdrok | the sooner we do this the better | 17:17 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Got it | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | rloo: this is exactly what I was thinking a minute ago: how to track it. I guess I'll add it to the etherpad | 17:17 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i view pas-ha's stuff as bug-related, since our gate broke cuz of that before. | 17:18 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and/or add a bug too | 17:18 |
| vdrok | rloo: it is, just a lot of code | 17:18 |
| pas-ha | I'm in a middle of rebase + adding some goodies from fresh KSA Monty was telling us. Hopefully by the tomorrow's evening will get the series working | 17:18 |
| rloo | vdrok: yeah, you can review it, i know you can :) | 17:18 |
| pas-ha | but we'd need to pull this requirements sync too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488117/ | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it's a big chain, so I'd track it anyway on our list | 17:19 |
| vdrok | :) I'll update the client change too, according to pas-ha suggestions | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: recheck all the things \o/ | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ok: objections to putting that patch chain to the priorities list? | 17:19 |
| rloo | oh, we can't update client for pike any more | 17:19 |
| pas-ha | done 5min ago :) | 17:19 |
| vdrok | rloo: yeah, I know. | 17:20 |
| rloo | maybe we should discuss offline then | 17:20 |
| vdrok | just want to get it done as soon as possible in the cycle | 17:20 |
| vdrok | *next cycle | 17:20 |
| * dtantsur recorded no objections so far | 17:20 | |
| pas-ha | yep, but I'd suggest to make the next client release a major version bump (deprecating ironic CLI ans such) | 17:20 |
| rloo | so what's left to do for physical network awareness? there are related things but those are only 'related' | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | deprecating anything does not require a major version bump, removing does | 17:20 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: removing hard-dependency on OSC might warrant the bump (as it changes what's installed by default) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: added an item on line 248 | 17:21 |
| pas-ha | thanks | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: yes, I bumped the major version of the inspector client due to that | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | also, changing the OSC default version requires a major version bump IMO | 17:22 |
| vdrok | seems like a lot of major version bumps for the next release :) | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: it does? major version bump to what? | 17:23 |
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| vdrok | rloo: to indicate possibly breaking behaviour? | 17:23 |
| rloo | vdrok: sorry, i mean version bump to what version? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | rloo: ironicclient; if we remove the dependency on OSC, people doing 'pip install python-ironicclient' will stop receiving 'openstack baremetal' commands | 17:23 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: oh, we're talking about the version of python-ironicclient package? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:24 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:24 |
| rloo | that's fine with me :) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | everyone done with statuses? we're past 10 minutes IIRC | 17:24 |
| rloo | well, i wanted to know what was left to do for physical network awareness | 17:24 |
| * dtantsur sees 3 patches merging, nice! | 17:25 | |
| rloo | i mean, 'priority' patches, not related patches. | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | mjturek or anyone: the BFV tempest test has merged, feel free to propose moving the job to the check queue | 17:25 |
| vdrok | rloo: none I think | 17:26 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: sounds good | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | rloo: one of the rolling upgrade bits still goes through the gate | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | everything else seems optional | 17:26 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok thx. let me know if there are any other network-related patches that ought to be reviewed | 17:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you lost me there wrt rolling upgrade bits | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | rloo: rolling upgrade for create_port | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485773 | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, you mean the physical network aware thing. yeah. no need for reviews, just 'recheck' :-( | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | yeah, another dozen of rechecks | 17:27 |
| vdrok | it has almost gotten through :) just grenade remaining | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | moving on? | 17:27 |
| rloo | +1 | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | still some docs left | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | but everything has had quite a progress! | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, wrt docs, we need the config page: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486934/ | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | right | 17:29 |
| rloo | that's an easy review ^ | 17:29 |
| rloo | also easy to bikeshed :-( | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | of course! :) | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | mjturek: do we have anything urgent for BFV to put on the prio list | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | ? | 17:29 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: checking - there were some patches in the meeting that need reviews | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | as to physnet awareness, we have a refactoring chain: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:refactor-vif-attach-mixin | 17:30 |
| mjturek | nvm - those were the tempest tests :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | yep :) | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: is the refactoring chain important? | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I think it enables some additional testing in the CI | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | like, having real VIF plugging/unplugging in tempest API tests | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | but nothing deadly critical | 17:32 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: actually this one is this weeks priority list and hasn't merged. Reviews would be appreciated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473717/ | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think we want that testing, don't wek? | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | we do | 17:32 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: oh if it does it would be good to have | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | oh nice, mjturek! and now I remember that we also have api-ref for volume API | 17:32 |
| rloo | yeah, then we should get the refactoring done | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | does the list look good? | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | I can also offer you some awesome upgrade docs for hw types, if you're up for some long read ;) | 17:34 |
| rloo | should we add pas-ha's stuff? or is that premature | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | rloo: he needs to rework it, let's add it next week, I guess.. | 17:35 |
| rloo | also there's sambett's ipa thing... | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | but IPA API is a good candiadate | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:35 |
| rloo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364834/ | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | ok, the docs can wait :) does the list look good now? | 17:35 |
| rloo | +1 | 17:36 |
| vdrok | +1 | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | okay, let's have some flame war finally :) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | #topic Adding API interop assert tag to ironic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482759/ | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | this raised some contentions. and I don't want to approve this thing on behalf of the team without even asking the team | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | the technical side of the tag is that we agree to follow microversioning and to have branchless tempest. we do both already. | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | some people, myself included, don't quite understand, what the end users/operators should derive from these tags | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | so I'd like to hear more opinions, from whatever standpoint | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what is the 'ironic deliverable'? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | rloo: whatever is in openstack/ironic repo | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | in this context, ironic-api | 17:39 |
| rloo | dtantsur: just ironic repo then, not the other ironic-related projects | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | yeah, that caused me some confusion as well | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | only ironic itself, not e.g. inspector | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm fine with it, except it isn't clear whether ironic follows the api interop guidelines. | 17:40 |
| vdrok | maybe it does show some level of 'maturity'? should be a good thing | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | techinically, it does | 17:41 |
| rloo | if ironic technically satisfies the requirements for having this tag, then i am ok with it. | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: well, this is actually a difficult point. we're inventing the definitions of maturity, based on the practices we already do, not based on what people want (??) or what standard practices are (??) | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | (things marked (??) are not necessary true, I just haven't seen enough proof to get convinced) | 17:42 |
| rloo | ^^ yeah, i think we have to decide based on a list of requirements, not 'maturity' (too vague) | 17:42 |
| pas-ha | AFAIU that's for consumers to be sure an upgrade will not break users (if they use the same old still supported API microversion) | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: well, except that nobody can claim that, there may be a bug in the versioning itself | 17:42 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: I'm more thinking about https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/nova, if people look at those | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | and put this way, it requires integration tests for every microversion, which nobody does | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: one cannot claim anything then, cuz there can be bugs in anything | 17:42 |
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| dtantsur | vdrok: I don't think it's the same, but I may be wrong | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | rloo: well, screwing up microversions is not too hard, testing all of them is hard | 17:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we write perfect code. no need to test ;) | 17:43 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: at least 'follows standard deprecation' is there which is also a tag iirc | 17:43 |
| * dtantsur playing devil's advocate mostly | 17:43 | |
| dtantsur | vdrok: right | 17:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we test some combination of versions, don't we? grenade, grenade multi, nova+ironic. | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | so, it seems that the folks are in favour of this idea, right? can I hear more voices please? ;) | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | rloo: these are mostly testing at release cycle boundaries | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | barely anybody is going to test e.g. 1.30, outside of functional tests | 17:44 |
| rloo | dtantsur: right, which is most likely when it will be of most importance | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | this is not quite true | 17:44 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ? | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | the idea of microversioning is to pick the version you need | 17:45 |
| pas-ha | I'd like to get understanding of how dtantsur comment re free-form schema-less fields is playing here | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | which, in our reality, indeed turns into "pick the Pike version" or something | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: this is even more important for us specifically | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | we change behavior based on driver_info and properties (hello, boot_mode) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | these are mostly driver-provided and are not versioned | 17:46 |
| pas-ha | exactly. If the driver changes in-between, the same request with the same API version *will* fail after upgrade | 17:46 |
| rloo | personally, i don't care about this tag. i get the feeling dtantsur is being devil's advocate very strongly, so let's not do it. i think it woudl be good for dtantsur to comment in the patch, the reasons why ironic may not conform to it. | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | we don't even (IIRC) provide a way to get a list of capabilities (for example) that change ironic's behavior | 17:46 |
| rloo | we (or some of us) know how much dtantsur loves the microversioning in ironic | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I'm mostly expaining why I did not +1 it with an easy heart, don't take it as a principal position :) | 17:47 |
| rloo | dtantsur: those are valid reasons, if they are requirements for this tag. | 17:47 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i still don't know the requirements for the tag... (i mean, details by which to decide) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | rloo: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/59/482759/1/check/gate-governance-docs-ubuntu-xenial/29826eb//doc/build/html/reference/tags/assert_supports-api-interoperability.html#requirements | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | and this is the api-wg spec behind it: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/api_interoperability.html | 17:48 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx. is everything discoverable now? it wasn't before. | 17:48 |
| vdrok | pas-ha: I think other projects do have the same problem. eg nova will migrate flavors from usual ones to the custom resource classes, by setting an extra spec. so if extra spec with such name was used for something else, the api interoperability is broken | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | tags: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/index.html | 17:49 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think we shoudl take this offline. maybe someone can spend some time reading those requirements and report back? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I suggest everyone reads all the links, and +/- the patch in question | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | then I'll make my final decision based on what I hear from you | 17:49 |
| rloo | dang, i was hoping that we only needed one person to investigate :) | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | it's a buy-in from the whole team.. | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | we're committing to following some rules, when changing the API | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | how do we write/review changes without knowing these rules for sure? | 17:50 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: if we are already following those rules, then i am fine :) | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | not precisely, as it seems to me.. anyway, please come to the patch with your review | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | #action everyone please put your thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482759/ | 17:51 |
| rloo | ok. i see this as a lower/lowest priority amongst everything we have on our plates now. wrt pike release. | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | it's not urgent at all, but it's not going to take too much time as well | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | any other comments or thoughts? | 17:52 |
| * dtantsur thinks that it's too hot outside | 17:53 | |
| dtantsur | #topic RFE review | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFE review (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:53 | |
| dtantsur | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1700071 Make DIB-build IPA fully supported | 17:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1700071 in Ironic "[RFE] Make DIB-build IPA fully supported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius) | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | we more or less agreed on it on the PTG, just bringing to your attention | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: it just needs to be approved? maybe add link to PTG etherpad? | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | I'm fine with just approving it, and yeah, I need to find a link | 17:54 |
| vdrok | +1 | 17:54 |
| vdrok | if noone will complain about the number of jobs on ipa :) | 17:55 |
| yuriyz | +1 | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-pike-ptg-ci-testing | 17:55 |
| rloo | vdrok: shhhh, we won't tell anyone... | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: welll... | 17:55 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | we should really work on standalone tests for IPA | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | okay, I'm marking this one as approved | 17:56 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:56 | |
| dtantsur | 4 minutes :) | 17:56 |
| rloo | crickets | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | mmm, we can save a couple of minutes of our life I guess :) | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone! | 17:57 |
| vdrok | thanks :) | 17:57 |
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| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 31 17:57:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-07-31-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-07-31-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-07-31-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 31 20:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| * smcginnis is lurking | 20:00 | |
| mpranjic | evening | 20:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 20:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 20:00 |
| spotz | \o/ | 20:00 |
| ildikov | hi All :) | 20:00 |
| mpranjic | hello all :) | 20:01 |
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| ildikov | long time no see | 20:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 20:01 |
| ildikov | I hope everyone survived the code freeze ok! | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:01 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:01 |
| ildikov | ok, let's dive in :) | 20:02 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:02 | |
| ildikov | as we mentioned earlier we're bringing the Upstream Institute class to OpenStack Days events when there's interest | 20:02 |
| ildikov | we have UK and Nordic where they plan to run the training this year | 20:03 |
| mpranjic | Nordic is in Danmark? | 20:03 |
| ildikov | most of the topics of the meeting is about this :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: yes | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | Nice. | 20:04 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: Copenhagen | 20:04 |
| ildikov | UK is London | 20:04 |
| ildikov | ok, let's move forward | 20:05 |
| ildikov | #topic Mentors needed for OSD events | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mentors needed for OSD events (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:05 | |
| ildikov | we are contacting the organizers right now to agree on the details | 20:05 |
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| ildikov | but basically it would be great to have people around who can help us for these local events | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Do you have the dates on these? I may be able to be a mentor but would need to check on scheduling. | 20:05 |
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| ildikov | UK is Sept. 26 | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://openstackdays.uk/2017/ OSD UK | 20:06 |
| ildikov | and Nordic is Oct 18-19 | 20:06 |
| smcginnis | ildikov, diablo_rojo: Thanks! | 20:07 |
| mpranjic | I am on standby atm. changing jobs form September. not sure if I will get aproval to travel from Oslo to Cppenhagen in October yet :/ | 20:07 |
| ildikov | #link http://openstacknordic.org | 20:07 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: congrats for your new job! :) | 20:07 |
| spotz | congrats mpranjic | 20:07 |
| mpranjic | ildikov: thnx :) it's messing up my routine a bit, but it will be ok :) | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | mpranjic: ++ | 20:07 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: and we hope for the best, please keep us posted | 20:07 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: I hope it will! :) | 20:08 |
| mpranjic | ildikov: will do. would love to be there | 20:08 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: sounds good, thank you! | 20:08 |
| ildikov | the idea with these events is to get people there as mentors from the area | 20:08 |
| ildikov | this obviously doesn't mean we don't want others there | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Locals would just be excellent because the local devs can meet up with them after the training is done. | 20:09 |
| ildikov | we still would like to have all the help and involvement we can get | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Will not be rejecting help :) | 20:09 |
| ildikov | and the time zone is matching even if the cities don't | 20:09 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:10 |
| ildikov | one thing that we learned from the OPNFV Summit occasion that when the training is running in parallel to an event it can be trick from attendance perspective | 20:10 |
| ildikov | for Nordic we have a separate day for the training | 20:11 |
| ildikov | for UK it will run in parallel to the event | 20:11 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: That's unfortunate. | 20:11 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: yep :( | 20:11 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: still a starting point though :) | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Quite, but the whole event is only one day | 20:11 |
| spotz | folks don't want to give up the rest of the events:( | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe next year they can do it the day before or after | 20:12 |
| ildikov | so we need to prepare that we don't have people committed for the whole day | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Emphasize modularity :) | 20:12 |
| ildikov | in which case we switch to kind of office hours, ask the experts, etc. | 20:12 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: exactly! :) | 20:13 |
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| ildikov | which brings us to the next topic | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | More or less worked at the OPNFV Summit | 20:13 |
| ildikov | #topic Prepare the training material to shorten it to fit a day | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Prepare the training material to shorten it to fit a day (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:13 | |
| ildikov | either with office hours or with a full focused day we need to be able to shorten the training to a day kind of on demand | 20:14 |
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| ildikov | in which modularity is one thing that can help | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Being able to do a section and skip around is a good way to go. | 20:14 |
| ildikov | we can also tag the modules maybe with what to prioritize with less available time | 20:14 |
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| ildikov | tag exercises which one to skip if time does not allow to have them all | 20:15 |
| spotz | mist covers and ok to skips | 20:15 |
| ildikov | yep | 20:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Could tag them with the job titles that would be interested | 20:16 |
| ildikov | so we can soon start the regular round on going through the material and update it with these thoughts in mind | 20:16 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: +1 | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we want to avoid cutting things down wherever possible unless its useless info so that we don't have to undo everything for Sydney | 20:17 |
| ildikov | we shouldn't remove material for the shorter trainings | 20:18 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I would assume we wouldn't actually remove content. Just mark what is more relevant. | 20:18 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok. *Phew* | 20:18 |
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| ildikov | we can have more and shorter slide decks and mark which one to use and which one to skip | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe add to notes? | 20:18 |
| ildikov | but we should not explicitly remove things in my opinion | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Agree. | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Avoid cutting, just general cleanup. | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Is there a way to have multiple builds with different slides without having to duplicate content? | 20:19 |
| ildikov | especially that anyone can pick up the material locally any time without us and we should keep supporting that | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, I was wondering that myself. | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:19 |
| ildikov | notes can help, we didn't really finish the notes for speakers part anyhow as far as I remember | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | FYI, I am going to start running the education internally with some of my team in Asia. | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: No we didn't. | 20:20 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: we can check the build, it should be doable technically | 20:20 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, cool :) | 20:21 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: it might remove some flexibility, so let's see how small modules we can form and then figure out what would make more sense | 20:21 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: and having the trainings running internally sounds great! :) | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I wonder if there are any sections we can break up even smaller. | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, it would be nice if there was some way to do that something we can look into so we would have the full education slides and then a build for a single day. | 20:22 |
| ildikov | not sure at this point | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | I know some of the CLA info is going to change again too. | 20:22 |
| ildikov | we might just mark exercises inside them | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | Almost wonder if we split things up smaller if we could do it with links from another build directory. | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yes, that's what I was thinking | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Good idea ;) | 20:23 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: yeah, and we can also look into the Contributor Portal activities and connect the training with that site from material perspective | 20:23 |
| spotz | Don't see why not, one page leads into full training, one leads into 1 day training, etc | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, it is going to be spread out over multiple 1 hour sessions starting tomorrow. We shall see how it goes. | 20:23 |
| smcginnis | We need a choose-your-own-adventure contributor portal. :) | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, see if there are any modules that would be good to break down smaller | 20:23 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, thats what the contributor portal will be | 20:24 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: that's how it's supposed to look like in some extent :) | 20:24 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Nice! | 20:24 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, yep :) Its juuuuuust starting to kind of get off the ground. Gonna be a little while before we have something to show. | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, it sounds like it could be good. | 20:24 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: spotz: yeah, it's just tricky what you stamp with one day training, etc :) | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: :-) | 20:25 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: we have some material on the website we could donate there though | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Sure, I will see if there is anything that can be slimmed down as I go through. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: like I think we still have some of the IRC setup things, I need to check | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, thank you :) Good luck! | 20:25 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Thanks. Giving it remote to Asia is going to be interesting but I am glad I have people interested. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good, thanks! | 20:26 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: remote is always tough :( | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | I will figure it out. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Hopefully they can find all the things through baidu | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | Done it before. :-) | 20:27 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: if you have multiple groups of people you might have people to help you from the first ones | 20:27 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that is the plan in the future. This is just a seed group. | 20:28 |
| jungleboyj | Need a few people to drink the kool-aid first. | 20:28 |
| * jungleboyj crashes through the wall ... "Oh yeah!" | 20:28 | |
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| ildikov | :) | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Clear the drywall and bricks out before you let them drink it :) | 20:29 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | so basically that's what I had in mind for today | 20:30 |
| ildikov | with the speaker notes we are also preparing for Sydney | 20:31 |
| ildikov | to which we are trying to have the details figured out as well | 20:31 |
| ildikov | we will keep everyone posted once we have more info about that one | 20:31 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, that will be good to get better notes for Sydney. | 20:32 |
| ildikov | anyone who has time and ideas please start to propose changes/updates to the material | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | I still have a todo to fix up the section I added last time. | 20:32 |
| mlavalle | but basically, the idea is the same, right: training on Saturday - Sunday prior to the summit? | 20:32 |
| jungleboyj | Drowning in Cinder documentation right now though. | 20:33 |
| ildikov | with the modules and smaller bits let's start with the slides for now and figure out whether or not we want to play with the build when we're fine with the content and structure | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, Drowning? Don't you mean majestically running through fields of cinder documentation? | 20:33 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: yes that's the plan, I will double check whether it's stamped already | 20:33 |
| diablo_rojo | mlavalle, yep :) | 20:34 |
| diablo_rojo | claro que si :) | 20:34 |
| mlavalle | ildikov, diablo_rojo: thanks, I need to prepare my management well in advance ;-) | 20:34 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-p | 20:34 |
| jungleboyj | @!h | 20:34 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: whatever that involves Sphinx also involves drowning... :) | 20:34 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 20:34 |
| mpranjic | :) | 20:34 |
| mlavalle | diablo_rojo: muy bien | 20:34 |
| ildikov | mlavalle: we will know for sure by the time your management gets on board :) | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I will admit I am not sphinx's biggest fan.. | 20:35 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thank you! I am glad I am not the only one who feels that way. I enjoy making it work but what a pain at times. | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, finicky as hell | 20:35 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: it's not that bad once you figured out the few things you need to know for our docs | 20:35 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I did this for Ceilometer | 20:35 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yep. Ooops, extra space. I am going to vomit 10 lines later. | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | NOT AN EXTRA SPACE OMG PANIC | 20:36 |
| ildikov | we can have a Sphinx drinking club at the PTG :) | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:36 |
| jungleboyj | Hopefully by then I will be a master. | 20:36 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: good luck! :) | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thanks, I need it. | 20:38 |
| ildikov | ok, I think we can switch to open discussion :) | 20:38 |
| ildikov | #topic Open discussion | 20:38 |
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| mpranjic | ok, in case I get aproval in October, what help is needed in Copenhagen? | 20:38 |
| ildikov | so anything training related from anyone? :) | 20:38 |
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| ildikov | mpranjic: it will be the regular you can present any of the modules | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | mpranjic, we will need help presenting and helping people with questions | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | same as normal :) | 20:39 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: or helping out with answering the students' questions | 20:39 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: ensure they are doing and progressing with the exrcises | 20:39 |
| ildikov | and figure out whatever issue we face at the time :) | 20:40 |
| mpranjic | I will look into the schedule... any materials I can check which are maybe not public atm (and might be relevant)? | 20:40 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: everything we have is public and on the web | 20:40 |
| mpranjic | great :) | 20:41 |
| mpranjic | will dig into it... | 20:41 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: sounds good | 20:41 |
| ildikov | just ask on the training channel if there's anything | 20:41 |
| ildikov | and feel free to upload some patches if you find things to correct/update :) | 20:42 |
| mpranjic | if I convince my boss that it would be great if the Company promotes the event and release one engineer for 2 days, I will gladly help :) | 20:42 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: would be awesome! :) | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | mpranjic, good luck :) | 20:42 |
| mpranjic | I have no other questions atm | 20:42 |
| ildikov | ok :) | 20:43 |
| ildikov | anything else from anyone? | 20:43 |
| marst | ildikov: Just a feedback: I've tried to use upstream institute materials for internal training few weeks ago and for non-technical people it's too complex, while for technical people it's too easy and lacks depth. Not sure what's the lesson here, though. | 20:43 |
| ildikov | marst: that's a tricky one | 20:43 |
| marst | I guess don't mix non-technical and technical crowds? | 20:43 |
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| mpranjic | hm. get technical? :) | 20:44 |
| ildikov | marst: like don't go through all with non-technical people on the first go as you will fry their brains :) | 20:44 |
| jungleboyj | marst: Yeah. | 20:44 |
| ildikov | marst: and technical is even more tough if you don't know the crowd that well, which is why our material looks as is | 20:44 |
| sekelso | "Upstream for Managers" and "Upstream for Contributors" tracks? | 20:45 |
| ildikov | marst: if we progress with the on-boarding rooms we could build a better and a bit more challenging deep dive modules | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | sekelso: :-) | 20:45 |
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| sekelso | Perhaps another build profile. | 20:45 |
| marst | jungleboyj: would love to hear your experience from Asia training. :) | 20:45 |
| ildikov | sekelso: yeah, we will try something like that with tagging | 20:45 |
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| jungleboyj | marst: Sure, I can share in later OUI meetings. | 20:46 |
| ildikov | sekelso: and eventually build, if the tagged content seems to work out | 20:46 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 | 20:46 |
| sekelso | I like it. | 20:46 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:47 |
| ildikov | we could also try to keep some retrospective etherpad or something like open for people who hold the trainings locally with this material and improve things based on the learnings | 20:48 |
| ildikov | I will create one if I figured out where to link it :) | 20:49 |
| spotz | It might een be beneficial to have maybe train the trainer sessions? | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, +1 | 20:49 |
| ildikov | and I will also update the web page once we agreed on details with the event organizers about the upcoming occasions | 20:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | Formalize the best practices into a call where we actually train people | 20:50 |
| ildikov | spotz: yeah, we should have something like that | 20:50 |
| ildikov | spotz: I will see whether we can get someone professional to teach us a few best practices | 20:50 |
| ildikov | spotz: I don't promise anything at this point, but will give it a try | 20:51 |
| spotz | Or maybe even something like a 'trainers' list like the speakers list | 20:51 |
| marst | ildikov: +1 and thank you! :) | 20:51 |
| ildikov | spotz: in the meantime we can organize ourselves | 20:51 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: ++ | 20:51 |
| ildikov | spotz: for the events you mean? | 20:52 |
| spotz | ildikov: So say someone would like to do something either at an even or a meetup, they could look and see if there's anyone local | 20:52 |
| spotz | I can't type.... | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Typing is hard. | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 20:53 |
| spotz | I know my 7 is messed up, had to hit that 3 times | 20:53 |
| ildikov | spotz: we have the wiki with names and some info like time zone | 20:53 |
| ildikov | spotz: we can link that into the web page if it's not linked there already | 20:53 |
| spotz | One day I'll have time to go to the apple store:( | 20:53 |
| spotz | I always think of that as the who's going to summit and can help list:) | 20:53 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: I think we already have that. | 20:54 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: yeah, I even created a subpage for events to have a clear view on who's attending what | 20:54 |
| ildikov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute | 20:54 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute | 20:55 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute_Occasions | 20:55 |
| spotz | Ahh see I didn't even know it was updated for OPNFV:) | 20:55 |
| ildikov | need to revisit the list of names though | 20:55 |
| ildikov | I mean on the main page as I'm not sure we still have everyone involved from there | 20:56 |
| mpranjic | oh, that is the thing.. I can't login in there with my ubuntuone acc | 20:56 |
| ildikov | keeping these things up to date is always tough | 20:56 |
| mpranjic | whom do I bug for that? | 20:56 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: fungi might be able to help you with that | 20:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah he should be able to help you. | 20:57 |
| ildikov | mpranjic: you can ping him on #openstack-infra | 20:57 |
| ildikov | we have 2 minutes remaining here | 20:58 |
| ildikov | any other topics to chat about? | 20:58 |
| mpranjic | thnx :) | 20:58 |
| jungleboyj | Nope. | 20:58 |
| mpranjic | I am cool | 20:59 |
| ildikov | coolio | 20:59 |
| ildikov | thanks everyone! :) | 20:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks ildikov :) | 20:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 20:59 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 20:59 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (^▽^)/ ʸᵉᔆᵎ | 20:59 |
| marst | Thanks! :) | 20:59 |
| mpranjic | thnx all :) | 20:59 |
| sekelso | Bye | 20:59 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-07-31-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-07-31-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-07-31-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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