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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 14:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy | 14:00 |
| zxy | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 14:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj |。･ω･|ﾉ | 14:01 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| ruan__he | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | hello everyone \o/ | 14:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:02 | |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. We are just trying to get everything stable for release. :-) | 14:02 |
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| gcb | jungleboyj, thanks | 14:02 |
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| gcb | I didn't find failures in http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:03 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:03 | |
| amrith | ./ | 14:03 |
| amrith | nothing from trove, trying to stabilize our gate | 14:03 |
| gcb | hi amrith | 14:03 |
| gcb | amrith: ack | 14:04 |
| gcb | there is no release patch this week, will hold master branch releases until cycle Queues open | 14:04 |
| amrith | hi gcb, at some point I'd like to know what the oslo plans are for the queens release so we can plan on those integrations/changes early. We're strapped for people and I don't want to find ourselves in a crunch late in the release cycle with a broken release. | 14:05 |
| amrith | this includes obsoleting/deprecation, and required changes of any kind. | 14:05 |
| gcb | amrith: good point, I will summary the plans and potential changes for consuming projects at the beginning of Queues and then send out to dev ML | 14:06 |
| amrith | gcb, would be good to treat them similar to (not with the same community voting/participation thing) the cross project goals | 14:07 |
| amrith | not to derail your meeting | 14:07 |
| amrith | but the idea is that simple ML communication does not guarantee acknowledgement | 14:07 |
| amotoki | really good point. oslo covers broad areas and it would be nice to share such plans | 14:07 |
| amrith | one of the things that came out of the software stewardship group was that positive acknowledgement was valuable | 14:08 |
| amrith | and as amotoki says, oslo covers a lot of land. | 14:08 |
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| amrith | and therefore if we had this kind of changes with wide impact, having the same governance as the cross project goals, with a review tracking project compliance for example, we'd ensure no late surprises. | 14:08 |
| amrith | I would also like to fix trove so we work regularly with the tip of oslo so we catch these things early. | 14:09 |
| amrith | but given that most of troves gate is red these days, it may not be a big win. | 14:09 |
| * amrith shuts up | 14:09 | |
| gcb | amrith: thanks for the suggestions, sorry for the gate failure due to oslo stuff, agree we will find a way to communicate clearly :-) | 14:10 |
| amotoki | amrith: if you have some worth shared and gathering interests from specific group(s), it might be a good idea to have some meeting topic to share updates | 14:10 |
| gcb | maybe we can add this as one topic for PTG | 14:10 |
| amotoki | it might help communications | 14:10 |
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| amrith | gcb, sure thing. I plan to be at PTG | 14:10 |
| amrith | can chat more there | 14:10 |
| gcb | amrith: cool , thanks amotoki | 14:11 |
| gcb | okay let's move on | 14:11 |
| gcb | we must revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493514/ due to it seems like a feature backport | 14:12 |
| gcb | otherwise we can't issue new releases for stable/ocata, oslo core reviewers please look at this when you're free | 14:12 |
| gcb | #topic A new Keystone-Oslo hook for external PDP | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "A new Keystone-Oslo hook for external PDP (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:13 | |
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| gcb | ruan__he: it's your turn | 14:13 |
| ruan__he | this is a topic discussed in the last keystone-policy meeting | 14:13 |
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| gcb | background http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120955.html | 14:14 |
| ruan__he | the main idea is to use an external policy engine instead the native oslo.policy based on policy.json | 14:14 |
| gcb | ruan_he: so it doesn't need restart service if we change the police rules in external policy engine, right ? | 14:15 |
| ruan__he | yes | 14:15 |
| ruan__he | and the policy engine will work for all the services instead of one policy.json per service | 14:16 |
| gcb | and administrator can edit the policy rule online, that sounds a great feature | 14:16 |
| gcb | dims: around ? | 14:17 |
| ruan__he | exactly what we plan to do | 14:17 |
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| amotoki | from neutron perspective, it has several neutron-specific policy definitions, so it would be nice if we can provide compatibility. | 14:18 |
| ruan__he | anther important feature is that it will work at the same time for openstack and other sdn controllers like opendaylight: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/46146/ | 14:18 |
| amotoki | (we would like to clean them up, but it will take time) | 14:18 |
| ruan__he | this is only a supplementary option, you can continue use your policy if you like. for those who don't want, they can activate this option with an external engine like Apache Fortress | 14:20 |
| ruan__he | if you look at the odl commit, it has been already integrated in Carbon | 14:21 |
| gcb | ruan__he, amotoki: compatible policy definitions is import | 14:21 |
| amotoki | generally I am fan of this kind of work which leverage and share useful features with open source communities anyway | 14:21 |
| ruan__he | gcb, I totally agree with you. That's why we propose a hook at the first time, and then we can test the policy compatibility | 14:22 |
| ruan__he | only discussion without code cannot move on the policy topic | 14:22 |
| gcb | ruan__he: we need figure out more details and collect inputs from others before implement it | 14:23 |
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| ruan__he | there is a prototype proposed by Mirantis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237521/ | 14:24 |
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| gcb | ruan__he: I would encourage oslo team review your spec review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492543/ | 14:24 |
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| ruan__he | we need to re | 14:24 |
| ruan__he | we need to re-discuss this topic in the next week's meeting? | 14:25 |
| gcb | ruan__he: we aslo consider how to migrate policy.json based implements to external PDP, anyway I will add comments in your oslo-specs review | 14:26 |
| ruan__he | for me, these 2 are in parallel | 14:27 |
| gcb | ruan__he: do you mean they work at the same time ? | 14:27 |
| amotoki | ruan__he: (just for confirmation) what are 'these 2'? | 14:27 |
| amotoki | reviews 237521 and 492543? | 14:28 |
| ruan__he | no, not at the same time, either policy.json or external engine | 14:28 |
| ruan__he | 237521 is only for your information as a prototype, in 492543 we would like to provide a generic hook | 14:29 |
| gcb | ruan__he, Is it possible that neutron uses policy.json way but nova use external PDP way | 14:30 |
| ruan__he | gcb, I'll try to think about it. cannot answer you now | 14:31 |
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| zxy | Are external engines global for other services? | 14:32 |
| ruan__he | zxy, what does global mean? | 14:32 |
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| zxy | For example, Nova and neutron get the same policy? | 14:34 |
| ruan__he | from the external policy engine side, admin can firstly setup a global policy, and then the policy engine will translate it into the policy for each service | 14:35 |
| gcb | ruan__he, what I expect is that new way to access policy engine is optional without changing default behavior and provide good document to describe the new way and consider the deployment change | 14:36 |
| ruan__he | we share the same idea | 14:37 |
| amotoki | I think it is a kind of translation or conversion. what we need is some compat way to provide policies to individual services | 14:37 |
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| amotoki | it does not matter a lot how "global" policies are defined (as policy consumers) | 14:38 |
| zxy | ruan__he, | 14:38 |
| zxy | That's a good idea, but you need to consider the mapping with other service action | 14:38 |
| gcb | amotoki: ++ | 14:38 |
| ruan__he | we have testes with Nova and Swift, it works well | 14:39 |
| amotoki | ruan__he: it sounds a good startline | 14:39 |
| ruan__he | if you agree, we can do in 2 steps: first integrate the hook, second test different policy mechanism (translation, one policy per service) | 14:40 |
| gcb | ruan__he: you also need consider how to generate all policies automatically. like ok, second test different policy mechanism (translation, one policy per service) | 14:42 |
| gcb | sorry I mean https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/5e38fa3cb5ae850dcf2bb251b4098220424a6ed6 | 14:42 |
| ruan__he | this depends more on different external policy engine | 14:44 |
| amotoki | we set "in-code policy definition" as our community goal for Pike, so I think we can generalize our current policies and it will help your thought, ruan__he | 14:44 |
| amotoki | s/Pike/Queens/ | 14:44 |
| -amotoki- seems to be still in Pike world | 14:44 | |
| ruan__he | as your opinion, it is possible to add the hood for Queen? | 14:45 |
| gcb | ruan__he: generally I like the idea we need approve your oslo-specs review then we can review your implement code | 14:45 |
| gcb | ruan__he: I'm not sure | 14:46 |
| amotoki | i'm not sure either, but i think you have a chance to have a hook? which provides policies compatibile with the current one | 14:48 |
| gcb | the time is tight, we can discuss more on next weekly meeting if we need | 14:48 |
| ruan__he | it would be great if we can have it in Queen, then we can start working on the policy engine as we discuss | 14:48 |
| gcb | ruan__he: is that okay ? | 14:49 |
| ruan__he | yes, ok for me | 14:49 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:50 | |
| gcb | I just nominate Andy Smith as oslo.messaging core reviewer, please vote for +1/-1 | 14:51 |
| gcb | that's the only thing I want to raise | 14:51 |
| gcb | ruan__he, amotoki : continue your discussion in openstack-oslo if we need :-) | 14:52 |
| lpetrut | hey guys, since we're now at the open discussion topic, any chance someone could look over this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492081/ we're having issues with exec calls on Windows. | 14:52 |
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| amotoki | gcb: ruan__he: thanks. i have no topic around policies at now. | 14:53 |
| gcb | lpetrut: thanks for addressing my comment, will look at it tomorrow | 14:53 |
| gcb | amotoki: thanks for your input | 14:54 |
| lpetrut | gcb: sure, thanks | 14:54 |
| gcb | any topics ? | 14:55 |
| gcb | we have last 5 minute :-) | 14:56 |
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| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 14:59:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-08-14-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-08-14-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-08-14-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| d0ugal | #startmeeting mistral | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 15:02:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | Hey all | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | Who is here for the mistral meeting? | 15:02 |
| apetrich | Heya | 15:02 |
| toure | hello | 15:02 |
| apetrich | o/ | 15:02 |
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| d0ugal | I'll wait a few mins and then we can start. rakhmerov isn't around this week, or next week. | 15:03 |
| rbrady | ack | 15:03 |
| toure | ack | 15:03 |
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| d0ugal | Okay, so I'm just finding the notes from last week.. | 15:05 |
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| d0ugal | oh, so it was cancelled. | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | The last meeting was on July 31st, it looks like it was a quiet one :) | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | So we have no agenda items. | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | #topic Current status | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:06 | |
| d0ugal | Please share your statuses! | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | I've just been working on adding a root execution ID to the workflow execution model. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490562/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490063/13 | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | I've tested it manually and it works well, so reviews would be appreciated. | 15:07 |
| apetrich | I'm working to get cron triggers to work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493550/ | 15:08 |
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| toure | I have refactored my workflow error analysis to take advantage of d0ugal's changes with respects to root-execution-id, and I will also finish some manual testing of his new changes | 15:08 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: anything from you? | 15:09 |
| rbrady | I was away last week and didn't get to work on anything mistral related. | 15:09 |
| d0ugal | cool | 15:10 |
| d0ugal | #topic Open Discussion | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 15:11 | |
| d0ugal | I suspect this will be a short meeting :) | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | Okay, so, anything else anyone wants to discuss? | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | We are now in the feafure freeze, if I understand correctly, so hopefully we can focus on bugs | 15:11 |
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| d0ugal | and it would be good if people can spend more time reviewing, as with rakhmerov away out review capacity is going to be much lower! | 15:12 |
| toure | ack | 15:13 |
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| d0ugal | Alright, I think that is all we have today | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | Unless somebody comes up with a topic soon | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | I'll give you 15 seconds ;_ | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | ;) | 15:15 |
| toure | nothing else here | 15:15 |
| toure | :) | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | Thanks all | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 15:16:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-08-14-15.02.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-08-14-15.02.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-08-14-15.02.log.html | 15:16 |
| toure | thanks d0ugal | 15:16 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 17:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| milan | o/ | 17:00 |
| nicodemos | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| fellypefca | o/ | 17:00 |
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| kaifeng | o/ | 17:00 |
| etingof | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | hi everyone! and welcome :) | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual can be found at | 17:00 |
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| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| sauloaislan | O/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
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| anupn | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| crushil_ | \o | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #info The PTL election is still on, please vote! | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | we're proud to have one of only two elections this time :) | 17:02 |
| pas-ha | \o/ | 17:02 |
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| rloo | cuz we all love elections :D | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | yep! | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info Please continue proposing ideas for the PTG: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info ironic-ui 3.0.0 was released last week | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | #info dtantsur on PTO Thu-Fri (17th and 18th) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:03 |
| rloo | deadlines coming up? | 17:03 |
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| TheJulia | I'll likely have connectivity next week. | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | I'm traveling | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | well, the hard deadline is next week | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | I'd prefer to release everything this week | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | on Wed at the latest, because of my PTO | 17:04 |
| rloo | ok, so no more features. only major bug fixes? | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | right. we may put in a few vendor patches, but that's it | 17:05 |
| vdrok | depending on our gate state too :( | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | yeah, and the gate is.. not great | 17:05 |
| rloo | wrt gate -- is whiteboard up to date on that? | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | nope | 17:05 |
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| * vdrok updates | 17:06 | |
| dtantsur | thanks vdrok | 17:06 |
| rloo | ok, please update and let us know if you'd like us to review or whatever. thx vdrok! | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | it's a new problem, just appeared today or over the weekend | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:07 | |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard this time please start with line 118 | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | I've added a list of stuff I consider urgent | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | we managed to clean up most of it last week, but there is still more things | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | especially wrt nova and resource classes | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473717/ separates us from calling BFV done for Pike | 17:08 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt the nova patch -- is that the lsat thing that will get nova resource classes working with ironic? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | rloo: yes, hopefully | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, so we need to get that into pike | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | but it raises quite a few concerns due to the way we publish our resources | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | and tl;dr of the current discussion, is that we're going to have a few known issues for people not using them | 17:10 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so we need more documentation to be added too | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | rloo: https://review.openstack.org/491773 covers most of it, there will be nova release notes too on this topic | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | it's all complicated by the fact that nova already has stable/pike | 17:11 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx, will look | 17:11 |
| rloo | wrt L152 -- hponeview. seems like it is too late to do that? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | I'd say so.. I told the folks that I don't like introducing a dependency without merging the patches to use it | 17:12 |
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| rloo | to be clear, the stuff under L150. dtantsur, did you add those, or was that for people to add their patches? | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I added it for people to extend without any promise that the stuff will be merged | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | I don't want the vendors to feel ignored | 17:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: gotcha, thx. | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | sambetts: unfortunately, it does not seem like we can manage to get IPA API in :( | 17:14 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt driver composition -- is there anything more to do there? | 17:15 |
| wanyen | For ilo hardware type doc , can we consider it part of the overall hardware type work? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: docs are easy, we can even backport them | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | rloo: dev docs should be written, never have time for it.. otherwise, only new hardware types | 17:15 |
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| sambetts | dtantsur: :( never mind... its so close it should land fast for the next release | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so UCS and drac | 17:16 |
| wanyen | dtanstsur, ok. It's been listed as non-blocker so I was concerned that the code is in but the doc may not get in in time | 17:16 |
| rloo | but drac is wip so probably won't make it? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rloo: yeah. in drac we have to fix a bug first, rpioso has a patch up, but we'll see | 17:16 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: so someone ping me about drac, i'm not going to look at it otherwise | 17:17 |
| rpioso | rloo: Will do :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | rloo: you can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493421/, it seems ready, just the gate is not good | 17:17 |
| rloo | i am willing to look at sambetts ipa version today unless folks think it won't make it | 17:17 |
| rloo | i guess it means i will look if some other core will also 'commit'. otherwise, no use. | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | well, I think it won't make it, and I'd give vendor patches some love in the end.. | 17:18 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:18 |
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| rpioso | rloo: ty | 17:19 |
| wanyen | dtantsur, ty | 17:19 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: ty | 17:19 |
| rloo | given the gate, etc, we should aim to get things done by end of tues, so dtantsur can do a release on wed | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | yes, this ^^^ | 17:20 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and you're back next week to do a final release if need be? | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | #info Please be ready to land the stuff by Tue, as we plan to release ironic pike on Wed CEST morning | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | rloo: yep, I'm only out for 2 days | 17:21 |
| pas-ha | my patch chain for clients refactoring is also going to miss Pike AFAIU, so please someone put -2 on the first one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469627/ | 17:21 |
| vdrok | we can do plenty of docs though, those jobs are pretty stable :) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | thanks pas-ha, will do | 17:21 |
| rloo | pas-ha: :-( | 17:21 |
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| pas-ha | rloo: no big problem, immediate bug with glance is worked around | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | yeah, let's make it one of our early Queens goals | 17:22 |
| milan | vdrok, lol | 17:22 |
| rloo | +1 | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | vdrok++ the docs are good, let's have moar of them | 17:22 |
| * rloo ready to move on | 17:22 | |
| dtantsur | everyone ready? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deciding on priorities for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:23 | |
| pas-ha | easy one - make a release :) | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | I think I'll just remove the priorities list, and leave "Release countdown" | 17:23 |
| rloo | everyone take two days off with dtantsur does | 17:23 |
| rloo | s/with/when/ | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:24 |
| milan | hehe | 17:24 |
| milan | +1 | 17:24 |
| * milan actually does :D | 17:24 | |
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| rloo | dtantsur: should we add ucs & drac hw types to that list? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | yeah, this is a good call | 17:25 |
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| sambetts|afk | rloo: please :) | 17:25 |
| rpioso | rloo, dtantsur: Yes, pleeeeez | 17:25 |
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| dtantsur | lol | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | heh | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: if we have priorities, we should add nova/resource classes too | 17:27 |
| pas-ha | rloo: that's in the countdown | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | yes, this ^^ | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | just don't want to duplicate the lists | 17:27 |
| rpioso | pas-ha: lol | 17:27 |
| rloo | ok, i guess i didn't understand why the hw types weren't added to the countdown at L104 | 17:28 |
| rloo | so thought the priorities were to highlight stuff in the countdown :) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | rloo: because I did not consider them blockers | 17:28 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: ah. ok. | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | how's the list looking? | 17:29 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: messy. i'll clean it up (remove crossed out stuff) after rama sends out the weekly email. | 17:29 |
| rloo | dtantsur: otherwise, looks doable. | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | ok :) | 17:29 |
| pas-ha | so, from release perspective, that's mostly docs (kudos to rloo for jumping on reviewing them), and ova stuff | 17:30 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh, there is a question about virtualbmc. is it ready to release? | 17:30 |
| pas-ha | *nova | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: yeah, and a couple of hw types | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I think so, just checking if anybody disagrees | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | actually, I plan to send release requests for vbmc and sushy-tools tomorrow | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | maybe for IPA and inspector too, if the folks finish reviewing the release notes | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, am deleting the '?' then :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | bifrost is done? | 17:31 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, just a query...sushy and sushy-tools are different? | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: TheJulia has requested a release | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | ok, cool | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: yep, sushy-tools contains the emulator for the CI | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | it's dev stuff, not something we ship to people | 17:32 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, ok | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | people involved in ironic-staging-drivers: please get ready for a release too | 17:32 |
| * Nisha_Agarwal was not aware of it | 17:32 | |
| pas-ha | ok | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | I may do it next week, but probably better this Wed | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: should that be added to our list then? | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it's not under our governance | 17:33 |
| rloo | dtantsur: right | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | and I think Molteniron does not have releases, right? | 17:33 |
| rloo | yeah, not yet anyway | 17:33 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: might want to merge the hw types for staging drivers first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466000/ | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: I tried reading it, but encountered ETOOMUCHBASH :) | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | I will retry until success | 17:34 |
| pas-ha | hehe, no problen if it does not land in Pike | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | my next topic was supposed to be "Review of release readiness", but I feel like we've just done it | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | so | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:34 |
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| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, so are we planning to release ironic this week? | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: yes, probably Wednesday morning (CEST) | 17:35 |
| vdrok | not final I suppose, kind of RC? | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: well, yes and no | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | it's where we create stable/pike | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | and it may end up our final release, if we don't backport any patches until the final release time | 17:36 |
| vdrok | yup, that's what I meant :) basically it is an RC, but not named as one | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | yeah, yeah, something like that | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | so we'll get 9.0.0, I think. and the final may be 9.0.1 if we fix something, or just this 9.0.0 | 17:37 |
| wanyen | dtansur, that does not leave much time for reviewing all the patches in teh countdown and non-blocker list | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: if we backport docs, it'll still be 9.0.0 right? | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | rloo: docs backports are fine, they are not features | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so they don't up the version. | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: I know. let's keep reviewing :) | 17:38 |
| rloo | wanyen: i highly doubt that all the non-blocker patches will make it | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | rloo: wait, sorry. any new release requires a version bump | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | rloo: if we backport docs, we'll get 9.0.1 too | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ah, ok, so there will be a version bump even if only docs | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | patch version are cheap, we can have as many as we want | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | what the release team does not want to see is feature backports (ending up in 9.1.0) | 17:39 |
| rloo | wanyen: i meant the vendor-related ones. am going to try to get the non-blocker code patches in. | 17:39 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: yup | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | actually, we have enough time. the only problem is that I'm buried in that nova change :( | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so you aren't sure the nova change works? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it works, but there is some design contention | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh. :-( | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | i.e. we have a terrible way of reporting out resources. and that gives us headache | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | s/out/our/ | 17:41 |
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| dtantsur | good for you ;) | 17:41 |
| wanyen | dtansur, seems like there are still some uncertainty about nova rsc class. so Why it has to be in Pike? | 17:41 |
| * Nisha_Agarwal is ready to help if dtantsur need | 17:41 | |
| dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: thanks a lot! I'm afraid, there is no much chance to jump in at this stage. | 17:42 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | :) | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | I've spent 3 or 4 days talking to nova folks for hours | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | I know what to do, it's just... messy.. | 17:42 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | yeah i saw the patch | 17:42 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: so just changing one bit related to only RC is not an option there? | 17:43 |
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| dtantsur | vdrok: it fixes the RC problem, but it still leaves open the issue with our inventory reporting. I'll probably split the patch in two. | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | lemme just wrap my head around it tomorrow with fresh (?) brain | 17:44 |
| vdrok | yeah, but at least the RC one is easy, and we won't be in so much rush :) sure | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | this is my thought too | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:45 |
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| dtantsur | okay, let's get back to work :) | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone! | 17:46 |
| vdrok | thanks! | 17:46 |
| milan | o/ | 17:46 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | thanks! | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 17:46:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-08-14-17.00.html | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-08-14-17.00.log.html | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 14 20:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:00 |
| skelso | o/ | 20:00 |
| spotz | \o/ | 20:00 |
| blancos | o/ | 20:00 |
| ildikov | hi All :) | 20:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 20:01 |
| kmARC | o/ | 20:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼(-_- ) | 20:01 |
| ildikov | agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 20:01 |
| ildikov | ok, let's start | 20:02 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:02 | |
| ildikov | good news we have the VM scripts and files under the OpenStack namespace now | 20:02 |
| ildikov | in it's own repo | 20:02 |
| ildikov | #link https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment | 20:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | I hope this will encourage people to help maintain it! :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | thanks to kmARC for the efforts so far!!! | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Good news. | 20:03 |
| jungleboyj | kmARC: Thank yoU! | 20:04 |
| kmARC | yay! :-) | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes thank you kmARC :) | 20:04 |
| jungleboyj | kmARC: Are there any immediately pressing issues? | 20:05 |
| kmARC | I hope this will encourage kmARC to finally set up automatic image creation to tarballs.o.o :-D | 20:05 |
| ildikov | and staying with this we can move to the next topic | 20:05 |
| ildikov | #topic Look into having a job to upload the image to tarballs.o.o | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Look into having a job to upload the image to tarballs.o.o (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:05 | |
| ildikov | kmARC: I remember you mentioned there were issues the last time | 20:05 |
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| kmARC | jungleboyj: no urgent ones. as the topic says, it would be nice to have it automated | 20:05 |
| ildikov | kmARC: do you remember what were those? | 20:05 |
| kmARC | IIRC, the biggest problem is that we use virtualbox bc of Vagrant | 20:06 |
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| kmARC | the packaging script itself is supersimple, does everything for you except for vagrant and virtualbox installation | 20:06 |
| ildikov | and what would be the plan with this issue? | 20:08 |
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| spotz | Is there a reason we can't use virtualbox would be a question too | 20:08 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: ++ | 20:09 |
| smcginnis | Would be great if we could have someone donate cloud VMs that could just be provided and ready to go. | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That would be nice. Would save a lot of trouble. | 20:09 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, based on Boston, that could cut out half a day of fiddling around. | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: Since we have been sponsoring this is there any way we could do that? | 20:10 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: you mean cloud instances for the time of the training? | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Just have people ssh into them | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | Yep! | 20:10 |
| kmARC | diablo_rojo: We had it in Barcelona, only one person used it.... | 20:10 |
| ildikov | we had that option provided by DreamHost in Barcelona | 20:10 |
| spotz | smcginnis: jungleboyj - draw back on that could be connectivity though:( | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Kind of nice to have something local they can play around with later, but for the purpose of training it would be nice to be able to jump right in. | 20:10 |
| ildikov | people weren't that interested in it and it also had limitations | 20:10 |
| kmARC | I also think local is better btw. | 20:11 |
| smcginnis | spotz: jungleboyj know how to get wifi working. :D | 20:11 |
| ildikov | spotz: +1 | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-p | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, we generally have better wifi than ghc and jungleboyj's phone ;) | 20:11 |
| spotz | smcginnis: haha, Advantage is it's before the main conference but I still remember the nightmare which was networking in Tokyo | 20:11 |
| ildikov | and a remote env has it's limitations usually as for graphical interface, etc | 20:11 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Hey, my phone did quite well thank you. ;-) | 20:11 |
| ildikov | not everyone is full command line friendly for all the bits and pieces | 20:12 |
| jungleboyj | anyone want to bring a big server along? | 20:12 |
| skelso | jungleboyj: Not sure where we'd host, have to look in to it. I like VirtualBox b/c I have a working environment to ref after class ends - agree with smcginnis. | 20:12 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: There is that aspect. Just always frustrating spending a day debugging individual issues. | 20:13 |
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| ildikov | I still prefer the local option, most of the issues are coming from the registartions | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Agree with referring back to it. | 20:13 |
| ildikov | but that got simplified now, so hopefully we will spend less time on that from now on | 20:13 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: ++ | 20:13 |
| kmARC | ildikov: jungleboyj is right in that many people come with _REALLY_ funny firewall setups, or a 75 years old laptop with HDDs of the spead of a tape | 20:14 |
| jungleboyj | kmARC: Can I run from my tape drive? | 20:14 |
| kmARC | we implemented a lot of quirks last time in boston within half a day | 20:15 |
| ildikov | kmARC: yeah, there's always some | 20:15 |
| spotz | I wonder if we could get a rasberry pi or something with enough storage... | 20:15 |
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| kmARC | HOWEVER, :cough: if the upstream institute members would test it on their laptops as I always ask before the summits, then these problems could be avoided ;-) | 20:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: diablo_rojo Maybe we just need to make a requirement for machine type/speed and say that if they can't meet the requirements we can't guarantee their local env will work. | 20:15 |
| * jungleboyj whistles and walks away. | 20:15 | |
| spotz | kmARC: That would mean preparring ahead of time!!:) | 20:15 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: Blasphemy! | 20:16 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we have a requirements list on the website already | 20:16 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, that's kind of what we do already saying what sort of reqs people need, but we can stress it more | 20:16 |
| kmARC | c'mon ppl, I have such an easy to follow readme prepared, it doesn't take longer than an hour to test it | 20:16 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: kmARC: feel free to update the requirements as you see fit and add a disclaimer | 20:16 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yeah ... so we can kind of say, ok, we aren't going to waste time on that. | 20:16 |
| kmARC | I want volunteers with macs and windows's | 20:17 |
| jungleboyj | kmARC: Agreed. We should all do that beforehand. | 20:17 |
| kmARC | windowses? windowss? | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah, we can definitely stress that in the emails we send out asking people to do the prereqs | 20:17 |
| spotz | what's a windows? | 20:17 |
| ildikov | kmARC: it worked well for me on Mac the last time, I didn't hit the race | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | windowses sounds like how golum would say it | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | filthy little windowses | 20:17 |
| spotz | And just say they're welcome and we'll "TRY" to pair them up if they can't meet the reqs diablo_rojo | 20:17 |
| kmARC | speed virtualbox dating | 20:18 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: heheh | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yeah | 20:18 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing. | 20:18 | |
| jungleboyj | spotz: :-) | 20:18 |
| skelso | Maybe offer both options? Local preferred, but here's a set-up VM if your laptop isn't up to the task (and if we can get VMs). | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: I like that statement. | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: That was what we did in BCN I think. | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | skelso, +1 | 20:19 |
| spotz | I'd have it as a backup but not announce it | 20:19 |
| kmARC | skelso: that's what we offered in BCN, tehere were about 60 participants, ONE person used the vms while I carefully prepared twenty | 20:19 |
| ildikov | skelso: yeah, that's what we offered in Barcelona | 20:19 |
| spotz | That wy if you don't have enough for everyone you should be ok | 20:19 |
| ildikov | skelso: not sure whether we got to use the cloud VM's though and we need to figure out where to get those if we vote on that | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: That could work. I have a system in my basement that can run a few VMs. | 20:20 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I was debating between zero and one :) | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | But then that requires a VPN. Scratch that. | 20:20 |
| ildikov | we will be in Sydney, so please calculate with distance as well | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: Could we get a beefy laptop I could take along and have that as an option for people to connect to? | 20:21 |
| kmARC | amazon! | 20:21 |
| ildikov | and I'm not sure we have that many problems with the VM | 20:21 |
| spotz | rasberry pi, small and portable and not all that expensive and if it gets confiscated you wouldnn't cry | 20:21 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right, we just need a few at most. | 20:21 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I'm not gonna pay for that... :) | 20:22 |
| spotz | Ok kmARC You're out of the group!:) | 20:22 |
| skelso | JungleboyJ: Not out of the question. | 20:22 |
| kmARC | so what if we have a test-bootcamp, wher for example, every one of this meeting would try out installing....? | 20:22 |
| jungleboyj | spotz: You are so delightfully nerdy. ;-) | 20:22 |
| spotz | jungleboyj: hehehe | 20:22 |
| ildikov | kmARC: we need it updated to Pike and then get into testing, right? | 20:22 |
| skelso | Usually it's all about having enough RAM. kmARC: What's the VM require? | 20:22 |
| kmARC | ildikov: well, we use master branch, so consider it done. | 20:23 |
| jungleboyj | skelso: Right, a W530 can run at least 6 or 8 of them. | 20:23 |
| kmARC | skelso https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment#minimum-requirements | 20:23 |
| ildikov | kmARC: cool, then I'll set it up and see what happens | 20:23 |
| skelso | kmARC: Got it, thanks. | 20:24 |
| ildikov | also I think we had bigger issues with timing | 20:24 |
| ildikov | if we give people the toy in the first hour, they will play with it, let that be a local or a cloud VM somewhere | 20:24 |
| ildikov | and I would guarantee they'll mess it up... | 20:24 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, we really don't want to have that happen again. That was a huge distraction. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: agreed | 20:25 |
| spotz | +1 jungleboyj | 20:25 |
| kmARC | ildikov, gimme another week, I have some scripts around memory optimization, which might not apply to pike. I need to review them | 20:25 |
| ildikov | kmARC: sounds good | 20:26 |
| ildikov | kmARC: did we get anywhere with the next steps on the automation? | 20:26 |
| kmARC | nope, not yet. I need to talk to fungi again | 20:27 |
| * fungi doesn't recall where that conversation ended | 20:29 | |
| kmARC | The problem is there is no CI runner that would be able to run vagrant | 20:29 |
| ildikov | kmARC: ok, we can get back to this | 20:29 |
| kmARC | they use diskimage-builder | 20:29 |
| ildikov | kmARC: the folder name should be updated too from training-labs as we're another project | 20:29 |
| fungi | well, we use diskimage-builder to create images, not to boot them | 20:29 |
| kmARC | my thing MUST produce a vmdk and ovf files tho | 20:29 |
| fungi | can't get there from raw, qcow2 or whatever the third kind of image dib makes i guess? | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | kmARC: ++ IIRC we had a mix of VMware Workstation and Windows Hyper-V. | 20:30 |
| kmARC | that's just a disk. If we get that, convert it to vmdk, minimize it with vmware-tools, AND bundle it with the ovf xmls.... | 20:31 |
| kmARC | this is like one command for me now | 20:31 |
| fungi | at any rate, we don't require diskimage-builder use for any jobs, we just use it to create the images on which jobs run. there's a layering confusion here, i expect | 20:31 |
| kmARC | okay ildikov, fungi, let's not hijack this meeting, I'll come back to you fungi about my needs and wants :-) | 20:32 |
| fungi | jobs are simply run within single-use virtual machines, but you can use tools in those virtual machines to build container images and spawn containers | 20:32 |
| ildikov | kmARC: +1 :) | 20:32 |
| fungi | cool, we can hash out the confusion in #openstack-infra when you're ready | 20:32 |
| ildikov | fungi: thank you! | 20:33 |
| kmARC | I was born ready! | 20:33 |
| ildikov | lol :) | 20:33 |
| ildikov | then we can switch topics :) | 20:33 |
| ildikov | or anything else to this one? | 20:33 |
| ildikov | #topic Proposal to maintain the list of tags on the website | 20:34 |
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| ildikov | so we said we will add tags to the slide decks and exercises to indicate who it's useful for, whether we recommend it for a longer or shorter training, and so forth | 20:35 |
| ildikov | the idea is to agree on a base set and have them listed on the web page with a short description | 20:35 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo created an etherpad to start to collect the list | 20:36 |
| ildikov | tag etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_Module_tags | 20:36 |
| ildikov | you can find a few ones there already | 20:36 |
| ildikov | we don't want too many, but let's see what makes sense on the first run and then fine tune it | 20:37 |
| ildikov | please review the current ones and comment on it and add new ones as it makes sense to you | 20:37 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: would you like to add anything? | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | We should decide and finalize in the next week so that we can get reviews up and merged with plenty of time to spare for the OSD UK event | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | So make comments and whatnot by Sunday | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I need to look through that. | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, its pretty short. I only have 5 tags | 20:39 |
| ildikov | I will send out a reminder about this to the ML as not everyone from the team is here | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | I have been making good progress with the team I have been working with in China. Two 1 hour sessions thus far and we have gotten to Taks tracking. | 20:40 |
| jungleboyj | *Task tracking | 20:40 |
| ildikov | sounds good! | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Say that five times fast. | 20:40 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: lol :) | 20:40 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What can I say? I am good. ;-) | 20:41 |
| jungleboyj | We skipped account creation, they already had done that. | 20:41 |
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| jungleboyj | OpenStack Events got covered in other sections. | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, let me know if you have questions about Storyboard :) | 20:41 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: if there's a tagging scheme on how to make the training shorter based on your experience that comes to mind please add it to the etherpad | 20:41 |
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| jungleboyj | The already knew the projects. | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, let me look and think about that. | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Oh, I have questions. ;-) | 20:42 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: great, thank you | 20:42 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Welcome. | 20:42 |
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| ildikov | ok, I guess we can switch to open discussion :) | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | My big thing is I can't figure out how to get people to do the exercises when it is remote. | 20:43 |
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| ildikov | #topic Open discussion | 20:43 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: that sounds like a confirmation to why we're not recommending doing this remotely | 20:44 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right. Some of it I think was cultural barrier with China. They don't have as easy access to Google so the things weren't quick. | 20:44 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: yeah, China makes things harder for sure | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | Also people with more experience so they didn't need it as much as others. | 20:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Yep. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: and also if you don't have someone locally acting as a mentor that's tough | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right, this is the group I am hoping will become mentors. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good | 20:46 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: that should simplify things | 20:47 |
| ildikov | at least in theory :) | 20:47 |
| * jungleboyj crosses my fingers | 20:47 | |
| ildikov | :) | 20:47 |
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| ildikov | ok, I don't have further topics for today | 20:47 |
| ildikov | anything else from anyone? | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I got nothing :) | 20:48 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | Still looking for European mentors? | 20:48 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: yep | 20:48 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: What are the events again? | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, yes, waiting to hear back from the OSD UK people still too. | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, OSD UK and Nordic | 20:48 |
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| ildikov | smcginnis: OpenStack Days UK in September and Nordic in October | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Cool, thanks. | 20:49 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: Nordic is Copenhagen | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Sept 26th and October...17/18? 16/17? | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | I may be returning from a trip past the UK around that time. Maybe I can convince them to drop me off. :) | 20:49 |
| ildikov | 18/19 :) | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha I was close :) | 20:50 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: that would be cool! | 20:50 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: :) | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, that would be awesome | 20:50 |
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| ildikov | ok, I think that concludes our meeting for today | 20:52 |
| ildikov | thanks everyone! | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you ildikov :) | 20:52 |
| ildikov | please do your homework and check on the tags etherpad and make yourself familiar with the VM scripts!!! | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks ildikov ! | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 20:52 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +2 ! | 20:52 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 20:52 |
| ildikov | and have a good rest of the day everyone! | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Have a good night. | 20:52 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 14 20:53:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-14-20.00.html | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-14-20.00.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-14-20.00.log.html | 20:53 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: have a call in an hour | 20:53 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: You poor thing. Do you ever get a break? | 20:54 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I do, no worries :) | 20:54 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Ok, good. | 20:54 |
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