Tuesday, 2017-08-22

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flwang#startmeeting zaqar02:07
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 22 02:07:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:07
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wxyhi02:08
flwanghi xiyuan02:09
gengchchi02:09
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flwanggiven it's the release week, and we don't have critical bugs02:09
flwangso I don't have much topics for today meeting02:09
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flwangsome minor things i'd like to share02:10
flwang1. unfortunately, the topic from ZTE about zaqar wasn't accepted by Sydney summit02:10
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gecongi am sorry to hear baout that02:11
gengchctoo sorry02:12
flwang2. i would suggest focusing on bug fix for next week, after the pike release02:12
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flwang3. I'd like to get some suggestion about how to improve the performance of zaqar02:13
flwanganything else you guys want to discuss?02:13
gengchcThe performance  is too important.02:14
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gecongshall we discuss the bp of queen?02:14
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wxyflwang: Is there any performance issue feedback?02:14
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flwangwxy: no, that's the hard part :D02:15
flwangwe may have to use osprofiler02:15
flwangto figure out any potential bottle neck02:15
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wxyosprofiler may do some help I guess. But I didn't take a deep research.02:17
wxygecong: any bp you want to discuss?02:18
wxyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-queens-plan02:18
gecongwe may take some research of performance next week02:19
flwangfor specs in  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-queens-plan02:20
gengchcZTE has been tested, the feedback performance is not high,  we ask the test data. We can do a complete test, look at performance bottlenecks02:20
flwangi'd like to see policy in code, topic, and more notification policy02:20
gecongand I would like to know the task assignment of bp02:20
flwanggengchc: could you guys talk with xuefeng's team to get more information about that?02:20
wxygengchc: gengchc :great!02:20
gecongok, we will talk with xuefeng02:21
flwangthanks a lot02:21
gecongabout detail of performance02:21
gengchcok02:22
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flwanglike I said in previous releases, I'd like to focus on stability, availability and latency02:22
flwangso in Queens, I won't work on any new feature02:23
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gecongwxy: I delete the lazy queue of claim02:24
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gecongflwang:I can take the policy in code and more notification policy02:28
wxySo for the BPs, feel free to assign them by yourselves. I can pick up the rest ones.02:28
wxyflwang: Is that OK?02:28
gengchcI want to Implementate the function about Remove pool group from pool and flavor resource.02:28
flwangwxy: i'm good02:28
flwangfeel free to pick up the one you want to work on02:29
gecongok02:29
gengchcok02:29
flwangi'm the PTL, but I'm mostly like a coordinator for your guys ;)02:29
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wxyflwang: So we can't leave you. :)02:30
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gecongI am very happy to work with our team02:31
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flwanghah02:32
wxy++02:32
flwangand I think one of my job in Queens is looking for a new PTL for zaqar02:32
flwangI don't want to hold this position tooooo long02:32
wxylol02:33
flwangok, anything else?02:34
wxyYou should nominate more core reviewers first. Then you will have more choice.02:34
wxyhah02:34
gecongnot from me02:35
wxyThat's all for me.02:35
gengchcI want to Implementate the function about Introduce an new resource for queue's metadata.02:35
flwanggengchc: that one need more discussion02:36
wxyyeah. A spec is needed first.02:36
flwangwxy: yep, I will propose 1 or 2 new core reviewers after the Queens release kickoff02:36
gengchcI take Quotas.02:36
flwangbe careful for the quota one ;)02:38
gengchcI do my best!02:40
wxyQuota is a nerve-wracking thing in OpenStack IMO.02:41
wxygengchc: cool.02:42
flwangwxy: yep, and especially given there is still no central quota and heria quota yet02:42
flwangokay, i think that's us?02:42
flwanganything else?02:42
flwangok, thank you for joining guys02:45
flwang#endmeeting02:45
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ildikov#startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 22 09:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
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csatariHi09:00
ildikovcsatari: hi :)09:01
ildikovlet's see whether we get more participants for today09:02
kmARCo/09:04
ildikovplanned agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings09:04
gmannhi09:04
ildikovkmARC: gmann: hi :) thanks for joining09:05
ildikovwe can keep the today's one short as we don't have that many people around09:05
ildikov#topic Announcements09:05
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gmannildikov, sure, just back from vacation09:06
ildikovgmann: cool, I hope you had a good one! welcome back :)09:06
ildikova quick announcement is that we have the training VM scripts and files in a new repo under the OpenStack namespace09:07
ildikov#link https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment09:07
ildikovbig thanks for kmARC09:07
kmARC\o/09:07
ildikovhopefully we will have more hands and eyes on it to help testing and maintaining09:08
kmARC(didn't we celebrate this last week as welll...? :-D )09:08
ildikovkmARC: on that regard, are you still working on it or can we dig into testing now?09:08
ildikovkmARC: with another group of people09:08
gmannkmARC, nice work !09:08
ildikovkmARC: the joy of sharing the news around the globe :)09:08
kmARCSooooorrrry no, I had a crazy week, but since we'll have some public holidays in Slovakia, I'll be able to work on it until next meeting09:09
ildikovok, no worries, I just asked to see whether I can jump right on it or should wait a bit more :)09:09
ildikovkmARC: I have an agenda item to double check the automated image creation and uploading it to tarballs.o.o09:10
ildikovkmARC: any updates on that part or should we skip that for now too?09:10
gmannkmARC, ildikov good to add README on that may be quick one09:10
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ildikovgmann: the new repo has a README as I saw09:11
kmARC(m,m) <- that monkey emoji that is ashamed because kmarc didn't progress on the automated image creation either09:12
kmARCgmann: I have a very detailed readme on everything09:12
gmannah my bad, got it09:12
ildikovkmARC: I just remembered fungi popped by last week on the meeting so I thought to ask whether you had a chat after and maybe have updates09:12
kmARCyes we had actually.09:13
kmARCI need to test whether the virtualbox image building would run in a nested virtualization environment09:13
kmARCwill do it in a couple days09:13
ildikovgmann: no worries, if you find anything that would need update there just upload a patch09:13
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ildikovkmARC: ok, sounds good09:13
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gmannkmARC, nice09:13
ildikovkmARC: let us know on IRC or the ML if you need any help or more people to test that09:14
ildikovok, I think we can move forward09:14
ildikov#topic Proposal to maintain a list of tags on the website09:15
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ildikovso we had the idea to have tags for the material to indicate the target audience, whether the module is part of a very basic training or it's more advanced knowledge, etc09:15
ildikovwe plan to agree on an initial set of tags and add them to the training website with a short description and also start to use them09:16
ildikovthe list of current tag ideas: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_Module_tags09:16
ildikovif you haven't done it yet please take a look at it and comment and/or add new proposals09:17
ildikovwe would like to have an initial set agreed this week09:17
ildikovI will send out a reminder to the mailing list about this too09:17
ildikovdoes anyone has any questions/comments to the tags or the whole idea?09:19
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gmannlooks fine, did we decide the required tag already or in progress?09:20
ildikovhow do you mean required?09:20
ildikovthe list is in progress09:21
gmannmeans what all tagging we are going to add, short long training detailed etc09:21
gmannok09:21
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ildikovso if we will have a 'required' or 'base module' or 'essentials' or 'beginner' or I don't know tags it's still under discussion09:22
gmannok09:22
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ildikovso please add your comments to the etherpad as soon as possible so we can finalize the list and add it to the web page09:24
ildikovwe can have a last round of discussions on the Gerrit review09:24
ildikovthe etherpad serves the purpose of doing a little brainstorming together before going ahead and uploading a patch for review09:24
gmanncool, i will check in this week.09:25
ildikovgmann: thanks09:25
ildikovI don't have more to this topic09:26
ildikov#topic Open discussion09:26
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ildikovis there anything else to discuss?09:26
csatariWill we have training before Sydney?09:27
csatariI need to do my travel arrangements.09:27
kmARCYeah good question09:27
ildikovin London we will have office hours, which means that we will offer assistance if anyone has questions on the OpenStack Days UK event09:27
ildikovit's in September, the 26th09:28
ildikovand we will have OpenStack Days Nordic, which is a two days long event, the first day is dedicated to trainings, one of which is Upstream Institute, a one day long version09:28
ildikovwe're looking for people to help out for both09:28
csatariOh, yes. I've asked the Nokia people if they will particpate on the OpenStack days, but they will not.09:28
ildikov#link https://openstackdays.uk/2017/09:29
ildikov#link http://openstacknordic.org/copenhagen2017/09:29
ildikovcsatari: neither of the above?09:29
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csatariNope. Sorry .09:30
ildikovsadness :(09:30
csatariWell, we plan to go to Sydney.09:31
csatariI have 1.5 talks accepted ;)09:31
ildikovthat's good news! :)09:31
ildikovcsatari: congrats on the talks! :)09:31
csatariThanks.09:31
csatariI plan to arrive on Friday so I can help with the upstream institute there.09:32
ildikovcsatari: that sounds awesome!09:32
ildikovthanks09:32
csataricool09:32
ildikovI added the details of the upcoming trainings to the web page09:33
ildikovas much as I know already09:33
ildikov#link https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/09:33
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ildikovwill keep on updating when I have more info09:34
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ildikovthat's all I have for today09:35
ildikovanything else from anyone?09:35
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gmannildikov, thanks. i hope you already posted those on social media too? mainly for people can plan travel accordingly09:35
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ildikovoh BTW, who's coming to the PTG?09:35
csatariildikov> me09:36
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ildikovgmann: I will get sure that we have the registration page ready and will start the social media campaign09:36
ildikovgmann: thanks for reminding09:36
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gmannildikov, i ll join PTG09:36
csatariI will share time between ptg and ETSI NFV meetign.09:36
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ildikovgmann: csatari: ok, cool, thanks09:37
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ildikovgmann: csatari: I'm thinking about getting together a bit for a lunch break or something while we're there09:38
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gmannildikov, +109:38
csatariildikov +109:38
ildikovI will send out a mail to the ML to see who'll be around and who's interested09:38
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ildikovok, that would really be it from me :)09:39
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csatariok, bye.09:40
ildikovthank you all!09:40
gmannildikov, thanks09:40
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ildikovkeep in touch on the channel and the ML09:40
ildikovhave a good rest of the day everyone! :)09:41
gmannildikov, in case we did not close meeting, i have 1 things on home page09:41
gmann:)09:41
ildikovgmann: shoot :)09:41
gmannmain page seems little bit rich in text, we should have only main links there, something - 'Next Events'  'Training Requirements'  'Training Content' etc and they have subpage with full content09:41
gmannsomething which can be very easy at first glance09:42
ildikovyeah, I recognized that too09:42
ildikovI'm not against the idea, it would be good to get a better overview of the page for sure09:43
ildikovgmann: if you have an idea in mind feel free to propose the change09:43
gmannlet me push patch and we can see in gerrit if we can make it more easy to read09:43
gmannildikov, yea.09:43
ildikovgmann: awesome, sounds good, thank you09:43
gmannll try to do on weekend tough. much busy this week after vacation09:43
ildikovgmann: it's ok, no rush09:44
ildikovlet us know if you need any help on that09:44
gmannildikov, sure, thanks09:44
gmannthats all from me09:44
ildikovgmann: cool, thank you, it was a good one09:44
ildikovthen have a great day again everyone, see you here in two weeks! :)09:45
ildikov#endmeeting09:45
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matjazphi all13:02
matjazp#startmeeting training-guides13:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 22 13:03:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
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ianychoimatjazp, Hello :)13:03
matjazphey in13:03
matjazpianychoi13:03
ianychoi:)13:03
matjazphow are you?13:03
matjazp#link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda13:03
ianychoiI'm good - although I am busy with my lots of work unfortunately13:04
ianychoiHow about u?13:04
matjazpfine. Still in Ireland, though.13:04
matjazpwe don't have anything special on the Agenda13:05
ianychoiAha13:05
matjazphey ildikov, you here?13:05
ildikovhi13:05
ildikovsorry, on a call in parallel13:05
matjazpnp13:05
ianychoiildikov, hello - fine :)13:05
matjazpI was just wondering, if you had any time to investigate that Hieroglyph issue from the last meeting?13:06
ildikovI started to look into the slide build, but didn't get lucky so far13:06
ianychoiHmm, not yet - but it is on my to-do list13:06
matjazpildikov: what was the blocker?13:06
ildikovtried to find something that's more out of the box and is also maintained, but not much is out there13:06
ildikovbasically my laptop... :)13:07
matjazpildikov: for converting from RST, right?13:07
ildikovI have a VM I play with things in and VirtualBox kills my laptop time to time for some reason13:07
ianychoiHmm..13:07
ildikovyeah, I tried to replace hieroglyph with something else13:07
matjazphmmm.. you use the last version? on Windows?13:08
ildikovbut couldn't really get it work13:08
ildikovMac13:08
ildikovand yeah, I updated it13:08
matjazpyou could switch to Docker for this13:08
ildikovI also had some coding to do, so it might be that as the temperature was also a bit higher around here my laptop just got too hot...13:08
matjazpand use that embedded hypervisor13:09
ianychoiildikov, oh you might need to replace with a new laptop?13:09
ildikovnah, my Mac is not that old13:09
ianychoiHow old your laptop is?13:09
ianychoiNot old.. fan might not work well13:09
ildikovI just don't really turn it off and I think there's also some dust in it, so I should get it cleaned13:09
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ildikovanyway, we're not here to fix my laptop :)13:10
ianychoi:)13:10
ildikovI don't have too much experience with these tools, so it might take a while13:10
ildikovif either of you have time to also check on it, feel free to jump in and keep me posted where you got13:10
matjazphehe, but all geeks like to throw in their expertise on how to fix a laptop ;)13:10
ianychoimatjazp, would you happily share your experience with rst2html5 previously?13:10
ildikov:)13:10
ianychoiActually, my desktop PC in my home does not work. I need to fix it, but fortunately my laptop works well :)13:11
matjazpianychoi: I would, if I could remember the details - but I don't unfortunately. I just remember that the conversion was not good and then we just stayed on Hieroglyph13:11
ianychoiI got it :) thanks!13:12
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matjazpbut we did agreed to switch to reveal.js, right? or is that still tentative?13:15
matjazpI would hate to make a lot of effort to switch to something that is not actively maintained13:16
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ianychoireveal.js is not maintained anymore?13:18
matjazpno, it is13:18
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ildikovI think it is maintained13:19
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matjazpI was just thinking out loud that reveal.js is the obvious choice, but I don't mind if we use something else. We just have to be careful to not choose a project with a small community13:20
matjazplike Hieroglyph13:20
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ildikovI didn't really find maintained alternatives13:21
ildikovalthough I'm sure I could've done a more thorough search...13:22
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matjazpok, so we all try the conversion and report back in 2 weeks13:25
matjazpis there anything else that we need to discuss?13:26
ildikovnot from me13:27
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ianychoiI have simply tested with rst2html5-tools but I cannot do with reveal.js now13:27
matjazpianychoi: ok13:27
ianychoihttps://github.com/marianoguerra/rst2html5/issues/8813:28
ianychoi#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/619035/13:28
ianychoimatjazp, did you see the same error message?13:28
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ianychoi#link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/rst2html5-tools/0.5.313:29
ianychoiI downloaded rst2html5-tools sources from the link but there is no league.css file. Hmm13:30
ianychoiUsing deck.js is fine but we might see how to apply theme13:30
ildikovI finally didn't play with this, wasn't sure how much more it's maintained compared to the current tool we're using13:31
matjazphmm.. but isn't that fixed? from that bug report it looks like it13:31
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ianychoiYep the bug report definitely looks like it but it does not work now from my trial.13:33
matjazpildikov: true13:33
matjazpmaybe this is, or will be in near future, a dead end like Hieroglyph13:33
ildikovianychoi: they might not released the fix as of yet :/13:34
matjazpjust a couple of commits per year13:34
matjazpianychoi: looks like you have to use it from the repo, not pypi13:35
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ianychoiHmm, I will try to do that, but I prefer to use pip and using pip is what OpenStack repos do13:36
ildikovyeah, pip would be better, I agree13:36
ianychoiI do not have more topics, except "open reviews"13:36
ianychoi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides+status:open13:36
ildikovthe current link redirects automatically13:37
matjazpyes, isnt that changed automatically13:37
matjazpso I would prefer to not manually change it13:38
ildikovand the image is rendered there too13:38
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ildikovmatjazp: I had the same thought, but wasn't sure about the background of the update13:38
matjazphmm.. we should check with Infra guys13:39
ildikovmaybe we would need to change this eventually anyway?13:39
kmARC(would make sense, this hieroglyph is very painful)13:39
ianychoi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493725/13:40
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ildikovkmARC: do you have any other tool in mind?13:40
ianychoiSince there is a similar patch, it would be fine I think.13:40
matjazpkmARC: READme.rst in this patch is not rendered into slides13:40
matjazpianychoi: ok, I agree. It is not a complex patch anyway13:41
ildikovmatjazp: +113:42
kmARCI worked with reveal.js (painful too), however I'd just do some PoC and evaluation with the current most(TM) hipster(TM) tools(TM). I think what's important is that we have rst/markdown -> html conversion and _REAL_ working full screen.13:42
ildikovkmARC: not that many options are out there as I saw13:42
ianychoimatjazp, +113:43
ildikovkmARC: but I think we're open for suggestions :)13:43
matjazpreveal.js is probably the safest option - a large community, lots of options13:43
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matjazpkmARC: and reveal.js does have a full screen presentation ;)13:44
kmARCI know, I used it13:45
matjazpok, let's just wrap this for today13:47
matjazpis that ok for all?13:47
ianychoiYep.. I think so13:48
ildikovyep13:48
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matjazpthanks for your time13:49
matjazpsee you all in 2 weeks13:49
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ianychoiHmm13:49
matjazpin the mean time, we can try a few conversions and report back the results13:49
ianychoimatjazp, one question13:49
ianychoi#link https://github.com/nyergler/hieroglyph/issues/12413:50
matjazpoh13:50
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matjazpyes?13:50
ianychoiAccording to this, the main reason why hieroglyph does not work is related with https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/pull/364813:50
ianychoiWould it be nice if I write a comment on this pull request? As far as I know, some sphinx themes also do not work well.13:51
matjazpas I see it, even if we fix this upstream, there is still so many issues with hieroglyph, that we need to change it anyway13:51
ianychoiHmm, okay - let's think about more with longer term maintenance perspective :)13:52
matjazpexactly13:52
matjazpso see you all in 2 weeks13:53
matjazpbye13:53
ianychoiBye!13:53
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matjazp#endmeeting13:53
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