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gcb#startmeeting oslo14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 28 14:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at
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gcbcourtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy14:00
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gcb#chair kgiusti14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: gcb kgiusti14:00
_pewp_jungleboyj ヽ(´・ω・`)、14:01
gcbzxy_, kgiusti , ansmith, jungleboyj , _pewp_  welcome14:01
kgiustihi there gcb!14:02
gcbAt the beginning,  let's welcome our new core reviewer of  oslo.messaging  Andy !14:02
kgiustiYay ansmith!14:02
ansmithThanks all for your consideration and support!14:03
kgiustiansmith: if kafka done yet?  ;)14:03
ansmithsoon :)14:03
gcbLet's move on,  I think today may be a short meeting14:04
gcb#topic Red flags for/from liaisons14:04
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gcb shows no failure14:05
gcbAny issues about oslo libraries ?14:05
gcb#topic Releases14:05
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gcbThere is no release for oslo recently, maybe we can begin release master in next week.14:06
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jungleboyjSorry, in another meeting as well.  No red flags from Cinder.14:06
gcbjungleboyj: ack14:06
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* gcb Cinder PTL is a busy role lol14:07
jungleboyjI did raise the fact that you guys are doing cleanup of deprecated options.  Have Sean and Ivan will to help take a look at those and make sure we are good.14:07
gcbjungleboyj,  yeah we plan to cleanup some deprecated stuff  recently,  is it good to do that at the beginning of Queens for Cinder ?14:09
jungleboyjYes, I am going to make sure that the team is looking at impacts to Cinder and available to help out.14:10
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gcbit's our next topic today14:10
jungleboyjgcb welcome.  Sorry for hijacking things.14:10
gcb#topic clean up deprecated stuff14:11
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gcbwe discussed in recently weekly meeting, would like to do some clean up work to avoid breaking consuming projects when it's close to the date of release14:12
gcb  this is background14:12
gcbwe use #link to track the work, welcome to pick up and help14:12
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gcbI aslo reserved a room at Tuesday afternoon at PTG  to do some coding about that
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gcb#topic Sydney project updates14:14
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gcbOslo team have a chance to do project updates in Sydney Summit.  It's 20 minutes or 40 minutes, decided by what content we can provide14:15
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gcbso please add topic in  even you can't be there14:16
gcbansmith, kgiusti : do you have updates for oslo.messaging ?14:17
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kgiustiI've got a couple in mind -14:18
kgiustiI'll get some slides together for review.14:18
kgiustibut nothing earth-shattering (IMHO)14:18
gcbcool,  so we need 40 minutes , right ?14:18
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kgiustithat's 40mins across all projects, correct?14:19
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gcbyeah, 40 minutes is for all oslo libraries14:20
gcbI need also contact with jd__, check if he would like to give a update about tooz14:20
gcbkgiusti,  I'm sure you can give a talk more than 40 minutes lol14:21
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kgiustigcb: thanks - I'll work on a few stand up jokes maybe...14:21
kgiustimagic tricks, etc - can I saw ansmith in half??14:21
gcbdims, dhellmann , I'm collecting project update for Sydney, do you have any updates14:22
jungleboyjkgiusti:  Humor is always a good choice.14:22
dhellmanngcb : you've seen right?14:23
gcbkgiusti: yeah , let's revere the 40 minutes one lol, looking forward to your joking14:23
dhellmannoh, wait, sydney14:23
dhellmannsorry, I'm still only thinking about denver14:24
dhellmannI don't think I had much to talk about for new features in oslo for pike14:24
gcbdhellmann, yeah,  runan_he talked with me about the spec before , and we would like to have a discussion in the Denver PTG14:24
dhellmannyes, good14:25
* dhellmann has to step away for another meeting14:25
ruan_hegcb, I've updated the spec14:25
ruan_heif the hook used http_check function, we only need to add a piece of data in the request body14:26
ruan_hehere is the implementation we proposed:
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gcbruan_he, dhellmann  just add comments on your spec review14:27
gcbwill look at the new version14:27
gcb#topic Open discussion14:27
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ruan_heI've seen them, most are about the usage of this hook14:28
KimamisaHi there ! I have a pending request that need to be discussed.
gcb seems an easy way14:29
gcbKimamisa: ack14:29
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ruan_heit's up to each external PDP to set up an endpoint to receive the request14:32
gcbKimamisa: in my review list, will give my comments tomorrow after I look at it closely14:33
Kimamisaok, thanks14:33
gcbKimamisa: you're welcome14:33
gcbruan_he:  does the way work for you ?14:34
ruan_heyes, it works perfectly with us14:34
ruan_heanother advantage is to test component by component14:35
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gcbruan_he: yeah14:38
gcbokay , any other stuff need to be raised ?14:40
ruan_heis it possible to set up the schedule for PTG?14:41
ruan_heI guest we will have parallel sessions these days14:42
gcbruan_he:  yeah, will finish it today,  we just have just a few topics,  we can adjust if we have some conflicts with others14:43
gcbI'm on it14:45
gcbI think we can end the meeting today, thanks everyone14:46
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral15:03
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rakhmerovI know that there weren't many things in the last couple of days but lets have a quick sync up15:04
rakhmerov#topic Current status15:05
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rakhmerovmy status: just got back from vacation, sorting out emails and solving the most important tasks15:05
rakhmerovthrash: hi )15:05
rakhmerovif you have some updates please share15:06
d0ugalNot much status from me. I am looking for reviews for my root exectuion ID patches:
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: review and
d0ugalI don't need these for pike, so wont be backporting them.15:07
rakhmerovok, got it15:07
rakhmerovd0ugal: you're not going to the PTG, are you?15:07
d0ugalrakhmerov: no, not this time.15:09
d0ugalI hope to go to the european one next year15:09
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rakhmerovany info about where it will be?15:09
rakhmerovI haven't seen any so far15:10
rakhmerovrbrady, thrash, d0ugal: was there anything in the last two weeks that's worth mentioning?15:11
thrashrakhmerov: nothing from me.15:11
rbradyrakhmerov: nothing from me15:11
rakhmerovrbrady, thrash: you're going to Denver, right?15:11
thrashrakhmerov: ack15:11
rbradyrakhmerov: yes15:11
rakhmerovwho else? Toure?15:12
d0ugalIt has been a quiet few weeks :)15:12
thrashrakhmerov: ack. Myself, rbrady and toure15:12
rakhmerovd0ugal: it's ok, it's the end of summer and the end of cycle15:12
rakhmerovit's normal15:12
rakhmerovthrash: ok, thanks15:12
rakhmerovI'll prepare the etherpad for the PTG in a few days15:12
rakhmerovthis time we'll have 2 days to discuss our stuff15:13
rakhmerovsignificant part actually will repeat the previous PTG's agenda15:13
rakhmerovwhat I'd like to do is to revisit some of the things that approached this cycle but faced some issues implementing them15:14
rakhmerovok, so, in the next few days we'll probably fix some more bugs and make another RC release15:14
d0ugalSounds good15:14
rakhmerovand that's pretty much it )15:15
rakhmerovfor this cycle15:15
rakhmerovguys, any other things you'd like to discuss maybe?15:15
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rakhmerovI'm planning to focus on stability and HA in the next couple of months. I made some progress last 2 months but there's still plenty of work15:16
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rakhmerovthat's what I can share from my side15:16
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rakhmerovas long as you're not so interested in HA it may not be relevant for you15:17
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bobhrakhmerov: I'm looking for a way to broadcast a message every time workflow completes - wondering if it would make sense to allow for execution hooks?15:17
rakhmerovso please bring the things you are interested in up for discussion at the PTG15:18
rakhmerovbobh: yes, absolutely15:18
rakhmerovthere's a spec and the WIP patch for this already15:18
bobhrakhmerov: cool - I'll take a look15:19
rakhmerovwe've been massaging this topic for long time but it was never finished15:19
rakhmerovbobh: I strongly believe that this is important and this is indeed missing15:19
rakhmerovbobh: not sure if the spec is merged though, I'll take a look15:20
d0ugalI don't think it was15:20
bobhrakhmerov: I'm happy to contribute/test - it's something we really need15:20
d0ugalThat one, I think.15:21
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rakhmerovbobh: awesome15:21
d0ugalWIP patch:
rakhmerovd0ugal: yes, it is!15:21
rakhmerovbobh: I'll be happy to help if you decide to review it and proceed with it15:22
bobhLooks like it's been idle for a bit - I'll see if I can pick it up15:22
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rakhmerovor you can work with Winson who is still very interested in it15:22
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bobhrakhmerov: I'll ping Winson15:22
rakhmerovbobh: well, it was idle for the following reason: Winson wasn't able to attract enough attention to this task15:22
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rakhmerovbut I know they need it very much and still want it implemented15:23
rakhmerovok, please look at it and feel free to ping him or me15:23
rakhmerovI believe it's not that hard to get this task completed15:24
bobhrakhmerov: will do - thanks!15:24
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rakhmerovbobh: btw, by any chance are you going to the PTG?15:25
bobhrakhmerov: it's unlikely unfortunately - I was really hoping to be there15:25
rakhmerovooh, ok15:25
rakhmerovso, wrapping up the meeting then?15:26
rakhmerovunless someone has something else15:26
d0ugalNothing from me15:26
rakhmerovbobh, thrash, rbrady, toure: ?15:27
thrashnothing here15:27
toureNothing from me15:27
bobhnothing here15:27
rbradynothing from me15:27
rakhmerovthanks for joining, see you soon15:27
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dtantsur#startmeeting ironic17:00
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dtantsurhi all!17:00
dtantsurour agenda as usual is at:17:00
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dtantsur#topic Announcements / Reminder17:02
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dtantsur#info Ironic 9.1.0 (Pike) release is finally out!17:02
dtantsurthanks all for your hard work, especially during the release week(s)17:02
jlvillalwoo hoo :)17:02
rlooyay! thanks everyone!17:02
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rlooI was surprised how much we got done, given the loss of bodies17:02
dtantsuryes, this is really impressive!17:02
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dtantsurgood job everyone17:02
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dtantsur#info we have OSC baremetal documentation:
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dtantsurI really love it btw, now we can just link people to commands17:03
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rlooyes, that was a pleasant surprise!17:04
dtantsur#info Ironic-ui and BFV meetings will resume next week17:04
vdrokcool stuff17:04
dtantsur#info New bug dashboard address:
dtantsurwell, I have a shorter version17:05
* rloo was almost afraid to click on it, worried it was spam :)17:05
dtantsurtl;dr OpenShift 2 is sunsetting, so I had to move to OpenShift 317:05
dtantsurnow we're on k8s like serious people :D17:06
rloothx dtantsur!17:06
dtantsurper my PTL promise, I'll be improving this dashboard in the coming months17:06
dtantsuranything else to mention?17:07
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rloonext monday, is there going to be a meeting?17:07
rloois it only US/Canada that has a holiday?17:07
dtantsurit's not a holiday here, at least17:07
vdrokneither in ukraine17:07
rloodtantsur: ok, i'm happy if you meet and work :)17:07
TheJuliaI'll be on regardless :)17:07
dtantsurwell, we can try having a meeting anyway17:08
TheJuliawell, I do need to go look for places for a gathering...17:08
jlvillalToday is bank holiday Monday in the UK, I think17:08
dtantsurit's the last one before the PTG, I'd like to leave the opportunity for random people to come and ask questions17:08
rloomakes sense17:08
dtantsurmoving on?17:09
dtantsur#topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes)17:09
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dtantsurnot much to review, but please take a look:17:09
dtantsur#link starting with line 12417:09
dtantsurI guess we will clean up the priorities list right after the PTG..17:10
rloocan we delete 'nova resource class...' L144?17:10
dtantsuryeah, I think we can17:10
rlooalso BFV? TheJulia?17:10
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rlooRolling upgrades has some updates17:11
TheJuliaWe'll resume planning BFV work next week, so there is no update at present17:11
dtantsurwe have one more nova patch, but I guess it's not a priority (unless we decide it is on the PTG)17:11
rloowe must leave driver composition until those promised docs are available ;)17:11
dtantsuryes, shame on me :)17:12
dtantsurthough, I'd appreciate if people maintaining drivers submitted their upgrade guide ;)17:12
rloodtantsur: we should have made you promise that if you are ptl. or did you promise? :)17:12
rloowe should try to get the py3.5 compat stuff done now17:12
* dtantsur denies everything17:12
rlooand jlvillal, the tempest plugin. is the next month a good time?17:13
vdrokrloo: I thought ironic part is done?17:13
dtantsurvdrok: the job is not voting, and IPA is on python 217:13
rloovdrok: not sure. there is something there about. oh yeah, testing ironic-inspector17:13
vdrokah right ipa17:13
jlvillalrloo, I think so. They want us to submit a git repo to infra with all the changes. I will work with infra and dtantsur on it17:13
rloothx jlvillal!17:13
dtantsuryeah, let's cook it on github first, I guess17:14
jlvillalHaving a patch with 92 patches in the chain is a DoS on the build system :(17:14
rloodtantsur: can we move the tempest stuff (L244) up. or do you want to wait til after ptg?17:14
rlooI think we also want refactoring of code to access other services, L26717:15
dtantsurrloo: I'd wait til the PTG, yes17:15
stendulkerdtantsur: Wht kind of information is expected in the driver upgrade guide?17:15
dtantsurjust to avoid confusion17:15
rloodtantsur: ok17:15
dtantsurstendulker: mapping between a classic driver and hardware type + interfaces17:15
dtantsurstendulker: essentially, populate the table at with your drivers17:16
stendulkerdtantsur: Ok. Only those 2 things?17:16
dtantsurI think it's one thing :) but yes, only this table17:17
rloostendulker: i think shiv may have done it:
rpiosostendulker, dtantsur: ty17:17
rpiosorloo: You,too :)17:17
rloorpioso: yw :)17:17
stendulkerdtantsur: In iLo driver have also added section related to that to show equivalence. Also another patch updating the above said doc is in progress17:18
dtantsurah, right17:18
dtantsurthis is what I was asking for17:18
stendulkerdtantsur: yes :)17:19
rloodtantsur: i updated the whiteboard with the ilo hw patch17:19
* dtantsur wonders if mgoddard is up for updating his VIF refactoring chain in the near future17:19
dtantsurthanks rloo17:19
stendulkerdtantsur: thank you17:19
rlooi'm ready to move on17:20
* dtantsur too17:20
dtantsureveryone done?17:20
dtantsur#topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week17:21
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dtantsurso, the release is done17:21
dtantsurpas-ha's patch chain can still stay, I guess17:21
dtantsurand I'd still appreciate people reviewing specs17:21
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rloodtantsur: it would be useful to put links to specs that we plan on discussing at ptg, when/if we know which ones17:22
vdrokalong with pas-ha 's patches there is this one that should make our lives a bit easier
dtantsuryep, I'll try to find them when preparing the final schedule17:22
dtantsuraha, true, we should get back to it17:23
dtantsurdunno if people think it's a priority though, but I've put it on my list17:23
rlooyeah, we're gonna bump the client anyway, so might as well include this17:23
pas-hayes please :)17:23
vdrok(I still have not done any removals, just so that people can state their opinions on that)17:23
pas-hatogether with dropping OSC from requirements17:24
rloopas-ha lives for the day... ^^17:24
dtantsurdropping OSC from requirements is an easy win, I guess17:24
dtantsurmmm, 3 priorities, we may try to get more17:25
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dtantsurrloo: anything from upgrades to take?17:25
rloodtantsur: oh yes.17:25
dtantsur ?17:25
rloodtantsur: yeah, you beat me to it17:25
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rloowe do need to get the 2nd patch in that series done, to disallow ocata -> queens, before we approve something that mucks it up.17:26
vdrokchange 666666 is close!!17:26
* milan screenshots an all-green CI patch ;)17:26
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dtantsurmilan: wow, impossible. was it docs-only? :D17:26
TheJuliadtantsur: We could also be in the twilight zone17:27
rloovdrok: what is 666666?17:27
milanactually 49766617:27
jlvillalrloo: I'm guessing a joke17:27
vdrokchange number heh17:27
rloovdrok: heh, cuz there is no 666666 and some folks don't like 6...17:28
dtantsurokay, how is the list looking? :)17:28
rloodtantsur: +117:28
dtantsurokay, there is certainly stuff to discuss, so let's move on17:29
dtantsur#topic PTG planning17:29
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dtantsurfirst items are more like FYI17:29
dtantsur#info Team photo on the PTG:
dtantsurour slot is Wed 11:0017:29
* jlvillal will remember to wear his best swag t-shirt :)17:30
dtantsur#info Team dinner/beers at the PTG?
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dtantsurthis is the poll about the times17:30
dtantsuris there anybody here who did not participate so far?17:30
rloodtantsur: darn, i would have liked the team dinner earlier rather than later. (to get synergy, etc). looks like it'll be thurs...17:31
dtantsurI think we should decide on the date already to avoid booking a venue too close to the place17:31
dtantsurwell, actually, I can cancel my plans for Monday17:31
rloodtantsur: + to cancel!17:31
dtantsurand I feel that I should to avoid excluding a team member (Arkady)17:31
rloodtantsur: yes, do it17:32
dtantsurso, let me phrase it like this: any objections to having an ironic team dinner on Monday?17:32
jlvillalNot from me.17:32
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dtantsur#agreed We will try planning the team dinner at the PTG on Monday, Sep 11th17:33
dtantsurnow, we need volunteers to find a place and/or help TheJulia find a place17:33
rloooh, 9/11...17:33
rloogood things happen on that date too17:33
TheJuliadtantsur: I'm planning to get into Denver on Sunday morning, so I should be able to explore all that afternoon17:34
dtantsurawesome, thanks TheJulia!17:34
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dtantsurif you have any tips, please let Julia know17:34
dtantsurand especially let her know if you have any special requests17:34
rloothx TheJulia!17:34
jlvillal,+Denver,+CO+80207  :)17:34
dtantsurokay, let's now talk about the schedule17:35
dtantsurI've started building a schedule from the proposed topics17:35
pas-hamost of mirantis folks leaves on Fri17:35
dtantsurto be honest, I think the previous PTG layout worked well for us, so I keep the idea the same17:35
dtantsurpas-ha: Fri morning/afternoon/evening?17:35
rloodtantsur: we're in the same room, right? similar size as last ptg?17:35
dtantsurI leave in the evening, for example17:36
dtantsurrloo: dunno about similarity, but it's promised to be a large room17:36
rloodtantsur: ok, that's good.17:36
pas-hadtantsur: Fri morning/afternoon (11:00 or 14:00 flights)17:36
dtantsurI think I told the foundation we expect 20-30 people17:36
dtantsurpas-ha: ok, noted. I'll move the inspector discussion somewhere...17:36
pas-haso for inspector stuff me and Anton might be available in the morning17:37
dtantsurfolks, what is good to discuss on Friday morning, given that some people will have left?17:37
jlvillalMy flight is Friday at 7pm17:37
TheJuliaEven then, the airport is 34-45 minutes from the venue if memory serves17:37
dtantsurTheJulia: non-US people better arrive a few hours in advance just in case17:37
dtantsury'know, borders, formalities..17:38
vdrokdtantsur: you mean which ones would be ok to move to fri out of the proposed topics?17:38
dtantsurvdrok: yes, that's what I mean17:38
jlvillaldtantsur, One nice thing about the US, we don't really have an exit check. The airlines check your passport. But no formal passport control to leave the country.17:38
dtantsurthe line can still be quite long afair17:39
jlvillalOh yeah, the security (TSA) lines can take awhile.17:39
dtantsurmmm, maybe future of bare metal scheduling?17:39
dtantsurit may end up a relaxed flame war topic :)17:40
TheJuliathat might... work17:40
rloopas-ha: do we need to discuss taking ansible driver in-tree? seems like the spec will be approved before PTG?17:40
dtantsurrloo: we need to discuss whether we need the deploy steps work.. but we can do it at any time, including today17:40
dtantsurotherwise I'm +1 on Just Do It17:40
rloodtantsur: i think we want it still? I need to update that spec. I don't know that we need to discuss.17:41
pas-haI hope to share some nice graphs on PTG re ansible-deploy :)17:41
TheJuliadtantsur: I'm also willing to move client versioning to friday if necessary, we will still want to get the discussion out of the way regarding crossing versions with nova which this would relate.17:41
vdrokopenstack-wide goals? is there lots of things to discuss?17:41
rloopas-ha: ah, so a presentation. no red in graphs please :D17:41
TheJuliaOnly 2...17:41
dtantsurTheJulia: which of the topics, version negotiation in the client or the nova virt problem?17:42
pas-harloo: :)17:42
dtantsurvdrok: just make sure we don't miss anything17:42
TheJuliadtantsur: they are intertwined, but the nova virtual problem should definitely be when more people are around17:42
rloowed looks like 'stuff we need/want to do that we've already discussed', thurs is the fun part?17:42
TheJuliathe exact mechanics of how will dictate the client versioning negation stuffs17:42
dtantsurTheJulia: in my view it depends on the negotiation.. but yeah, let's try it this way17:42
TheJuliadtantsur: we could always just combine them and try and time box it....17:43
dtantsurok, let's try it this way17:43
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dtantsurmmm, wdyt about swapping "Processes and tools" and "Pressing issues"?17:45
dtantsurThursday feels too packed the way it is now17:45
TheJuliaYeah, I think that is a good idea17:45
rloodtantsur: i'm better in the morning so prefer contentious topics then, but otherwise, i'm fine17:46
dtantsurrloo: IMO reasoning about new proposals is even harder than about difficult, but familiar, topics17:47
dtantsurbut this is probably not the same for all of us :)17:47
TheJuliaIt is going to vary based upon how each of us are wired differently in our brains17:47
rloodtantsur: :)17:47
dtantsurokay, please check the new version. wdyt?17:48
dtantsurI've moved everything from Friday, but we will certainly find something to work on17:48
dtantsurwe may end up organizing small working groups17:49
dtantsurTheJulia: thanks for talking to Sean! I'll remove this comment, and will keep it in mind17:49
TheJuliadtantsur: ok17:50
rloothere was something about console at the bottom L 220. is that discussed or did we decide not to?17:50
dtantsurgood catch, it was added after I built the list17:50
dtantsurI'm fine with talking about it17:50
rpiosodtantsur: What about "Follow-up to the driver composition"?17:50
dtantsurrpioso: it is inside of "check status of Pike priorities"17:51
rloodtantsur: maybe we should add a new section for new topics, otherwise it will be hard to know what was added after today.17:51
dtantsurI did not list everything there, we will just go over each item17:51
dtantsurrloo: well, I asked people to ping me when adding stuff, but....17:51
rpiosodtantusr: Okay.  And "future of inspection (especially OOB) after switch to resource classes"?17:51
dtantsurI will just check it from time to time17:51
rloodtantsur: L16 --17:52
dtantsuryeah, maybe it's my fault. I'll clarify17:52
rloodtantsur: maybe mention there to ping you, not sure.17:52
jlvillalWhat's the plan for Monday and Tuesday?  My first PTG :)17:52
dtantsurrpioso: "Inspection and resource classes"17:52
vdrokrpioso: L39 I think17:52
dtantsurjlvillal: x-project stuff17:52
rloodtantsur: well, might be clearer to add new section, 'potential topics not reviewed yet'17:53
rloodtantsur: or something like that17:53
rpiosodtantsur, vdrok: ty17:53
dtantsurjlvillal: there will be rooms like "API SIG", "releases", "QA", etc17:53
jlvillaldtantsur, Well we document the Ironic x-project items?17:53
dtantsurrloo: I'm afraid people will miss them :)17:53
vdrokjlvillal: cross-project with nova are in nova's etherpad17:53
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dtantsurjlvillal: there is something in the bottom. somebody will have to stop by nova (probably vdrok and me)17:53
jlvillaldtantsur, Ah, so not Nova/Ironic or Neutron/Ironic17:53
vdroknot sure about this vm-bm sig17:53
vdrokbut I suppose the same17:53
dtantsurthe vm-bm sig is something not entirely clear to me as well17:53
jlvillalOh there is, okay17:53
dtantsurbut I'll try figuring it out too17:54
rloojlvillal: at the bottom, L295.17:54
rloomaybe we shoudl move the related sessions part higher.17:54
dtantsurI will17:54
TheJuliaI looked at the vm-bm sig page last week and it went back, at least mentally, to the instance level credentials discussion of how as an instance do I obtain access to cloud resources without being pre-loaded with credentials, or how do I have a different set of credentials and permissions for my running process, not my administrative user.  It might be different now17:55
dtantsurjlvillal: do you want to represent us in the QA room?17:55
rloofwiw, list of etherpads:
jlvillaldtantsur: I can do that. Sign me up :)17:55
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dtantsurTheJulia: it seems so. I'm not sure why it's specific to BMs or VM-BM world..17:55
dtantsurvdrok: would you like to check the nova room?17:56
TheJuliaPartially in that it needs to support config drive, or metadata service17:56
dtantsurI will be there too, when needed17:56
TheJuliadtantsur: but... *shrug*17:56
dtantsuranyone wants to check this BM-VM thingy?17:56
vdrokdtantsur: yeah I'll be there on related discussions I think17:56
dtantsurI'm afraid I'll be with the API SIG most of the time17:56
TheJuliadtantsur: I can17:56
dtantsur(on Mon and Tue)17:56
dtantsurTheJulia: thanks!17:56
rloooh yeah, i was thinking about being in the bm-vm thing too.17:57
dtantsurwe also have infra room, cli, skip level upgrades, stable17:57
rlooif anyone goes to docs, please ask about red :)17:57
dtantsurand many more, but these can be of interest17:57
jlvillaldtantsur, GraphQL ?  :)17:57
dtantsuroh, and docs!17:57
* dtantsur hides17:57
TheJuliarloo: note taken17:57
rloothx TheJulia!17:58
dtantsurrloo: you like upgrades:
TheJuliarloo: you mean the movie right?17:58
* TheJulia ducks17:58
rloodtantsur: i don't actually like it and have wondered several times why i offered. and yeah, i saw that and am afraid.17:58
* dtantsur is pretty sure that skipping Pike won't work for Nova/Ironic pair17:58
rlooTheJulia: heh17:58
rloodtantsur: so i guess i should also attend that upgrades one...17:59
dtantsurthat may be of value17:59
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dtantsurokay, out of time18:00
dtantsurthanks everyone!18:00
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ildikov#startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 28 20:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at
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_pewp_jungleboyj |。・ω・|ノ20:00
ildikovhi :)20:01
ildikovlet's wait another minute and then we can start20:01
ildikovagenda for today:
ildikovok, let's start :)20:03
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ildikovour agenda is light for today20:03
jungleboyjQuick meetings are good.  :-)20:04
ildikovI don't have new announcements for today, we're working on to improve our materials for the upcoming occasions20:04
ildikov#topic Re-working the index page for the training to be less crowded20:04
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ildikovso let's dive in to the few topics20:04
ildikovgmann brought up on the meeting last week to re-organize the website a bit20:05
jungleboyjThat sounds like a good idea.20:05
ildikovas the website with all the info on the front page is pretty busy we were all in an agreement so far that it's a good idea20:05
ildikovthe plan is to have the description and links to further info on the front page20:06
ildikovso we keep it simple and easy to read through20:06
ildikovI wanted to give you a heads up about the plan and also ask for feedback20:06
jungleboyjildikov:  I think that would be more consistent with how a lot of the landing pages for projects have been moving to.20:06
ildikovjungleboyj: that's a good one to keep the docs consistent20:07
ildikovthis way newcomers see familiar layouts, which should be a plus20:07
jungleboyjildikov: Yeah, that is probably actually a point I should bring up at the PTG with the docs team.20:07
* diablo_rojo sneaks in with a chipotle burrito20:08
ildikovjungleboyj: :)20:08
kmARCo/ sorry I'm absent and on roaming 3G tonight. Unfortunately no progress, sorry for that, will try to catch up next week. Have fun guys see you next week20:08
ildikovkmARC: thanks for checking in and the update20:09
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diablo_rojoildikov, I think gmann was planning on getting a patch out there this week20:10
ildikovjungleboyj: is there any landing page we could use as a reference?20:10
jungleboyjildikov: I patterned the Cinder one off of Keystone and that was the one that asettle had held up as a good example.20:10
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ildikovdiablo_rojo: yep, that' show I remember too, I will catch up with him20:11
spotzwee was in wrong channel!20:11
jungleboyjspotz:  !20:11
diablo_rojospotz, lol, I have totally done that before20:11
ildikovspotz: no worries, you found us is what matters :)20:11
ildikovmaybe we should add ping lists to the agenda20:12
spotzI don't have a -2 in my listso I was in 4:)20:12
smcginnisThese -* meeting channels always throw me off.20:12
ildikovjungleboyj: I will ping gmann to look at those pages if he hasn't come up with a new design yet20:12
diablo_rojosmcginnis, same20:12
jungleboyjildikov:  Sure and if he needs any help have him ping me.20:13
ildikovjungleboyj: will tell him, thanks20:13
ildikovI'm ok with the meeting channels mostly, although I usually don't attend that many meetings... :)20:14
ildikovany further questions/comments to this topic?20:14
jungleboyjNope, will watch for updates to come through.  Think it is a good thing to do.20:15
ildikovjungleboyj: +120:15
ildikovok, let's move on20:16
ildikov#topic (How) to display the tags on the web?20:16
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ildikovwe have an initial set of tags we would like to apply: #link
ildikovthanks to diablo_rojo they are on their way to get on the website starting with this one: #link
ildikovas we are having the website re-orgainzed in our plans we can think about how to use the tags as well20:18
ildikovlike having them in the slide set, for instance in the presenter note where the above patch proposes to put them20:19
ildikovor make it more visible on the web instead20:19
diablo_rojoOff the top of my head we could add the tags after the titles of the modules on the page, but I thought that would get cluttered so I opted for adding them as a note.20:19
diablo_rojoIn the descriptions for the tags- if that becomes a different page- we could say what modules belong to each tag20:20
ildikovI added the question to the review and we can decide there, just wanted to draw attention to it while we're waiting to figure out how the web page will look like20:20
diablo_rojoThank you ildikov for bringing it up :)20:20
jungleboyjPutting it at the top of the page would be very cluttered.20:21
diablo_rojojungleboyj, agreed20:21
ildikovI was thinking about either doing a table layout and have the tags on one side, we could maybe use a design like what we're using for the project tags20:21
ildikovand have the description at the bottom as opposed to the top20:22
ildikovas we're focusing on the content and those who find the tags less self-explanatory can navigate to the bottom of the page to read more about it20:23
diablo_rojoOn the page with the descriptions a table would be good20:23
diablo_rojoKind of like a driver matrix and the things they support20:23
ildikovwe can create a separate page even if we would end up with the many tags, but hopefully we will not :)20:23
diablo_rojoI just think the descriptions and matrix thing would be enough to warrant its own page to keep the land page cleaner20:24
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diablo_rojoIdk :)20:24
ildikovor if we can come up with shortened tag names we could add them to the agenda links easier20:24
jungleboyjIf we have those tags in the notes is there then a way to build subsets of the slides based on them?20:25
ildikovdiablo_rojo: if we have a page just for the agenda with the links then we could add the tag description there too20:25
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ildikovjungleboyj: slide build is currently a bigger headache in general, will give an update when we're done with this topic20:26
spotzjungleboyj: that wold be nice20:26
diablo_rojoildikov, yeah that would work20:26
diablo_rojojungleboyj, I think so? but I have no idea how that would work with sphinx20:26
diablo_rojoSeems like there should be a way20:26
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo:  I can try to corner dhellmann  et. al. at the PTG and see if they have ideas.20:28
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo:  Once we have agreed on how the tags are going to be implemented.20:28
ildikovwe can decide on how to place and organize the tags once the current content is re-organized20:28
ildikovjungleboyj: yep, one thing at a time :)20:29
jungleboyjildikov: Understood.20:29
* jungleboyj pulls the cart back behind the horse.20:30
ildikovlol :)20:30
ildikovanything more to the tags?20:30
diablo_rojoMaybe we should decide how to do the tags based on how the mechanism works?20:30
diablo_rojoAssuming there is one?20:30
ildikovdiablo_rojo: I would put on the tags first20:31
jungleboyjildikov:  ++20:31
ildikovand then we have time to figure out what we can do with the build20:31
diablo_rojoDeciding what modules each tag belongs on- I agree.20:32
jungleboyjIf all else fails I can write a script that scrapes through the RST looking for the tags and building a list of slides to build.20:32
jungleboyjThat happens elsewhere in the doc build.20:32
ildikovyep as the information is the most important20:32
jungleboyjSo, nothing is impossible.20:32
ildikovpeople can pick the slides based on that even if don't do magic with the build20:32
ildikovas we are currently providing a set of links semi-manually anyhow20:33
diablo_rojoI just meant more that if we tag it all one way and find out it can be built someother way and have to change it all- kinda making more work for ourselves.20:34
diablo_rojoBut the PTG will be here soon enough so no big deal.20:34
jungleboyjdiablo_rojo:  I don't think that will be an issue.  I agree we should get the labeling done.20:34
ildikovif you check how it works currently we specify it manually what link goes on the web in what order20:34
ildikovand even that is not that straight forward right now20:35
ildikovlet's change topics20:36
ildikov#topic Need to replace Hieroglyph20:36
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jungleboyjGod, yes please!20:36
ildikovso the tool we are building the slides right now is unmaintained and does not work with the latest version of Sphinx20:36
ildikovthe plan is to keep .rst and Sphinx20:37
ildikovwe don't have that many options available20:37
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ildikovand so far I only messed up my VM with it than succeed, although I've never been an expert with integration work...20:38
ildikovso if anyone feels like playing with this, feel free to do so20:38
ildikovin the meantime we're kind of putting a freeze on versions for training-guides to keep the current system working20:38
ildikovbut considering this stage, let's figure out what tag goes on which slide deck and update things on the go20:39
jungleboyjSounds good.20:40
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ildikovif any of you have tooling ideas don't hold them back :)20:41
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ildikovany questions or comments to this topic from anyone?20:42
smcginnisNone from me.20:43
ildikovlet's move on then :)20:43
jungleboyjNothing here.20:43
ildikov#topic Open discussion20:43
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ildikovany other topics we should discuss today?20:44
spotzI'm good20:44
marstnone from me.20:44
ildikovok, cool20:45
ildikovplease keep an eye on open reviews20:45
jungleboyjNothing from me.20:45
jungleboyjWill do.  :-)20:45
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spotzwill do20:45
ildikovand also if you have any content updates please upload new ones :)20:46
ildikovthank you all for today!20:46
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ildikovhave a great rest of the day! :)20:46
jungleboyjThanks ildikov !20:46
jungleboyjYou too.20:46
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diablo_rojoThanks ildikov :)20:46
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