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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 4 14:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy | 14:00 |
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| gcb | who is around ? | 14:02 |
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| gcb | is today a holiday | 14:02 |
| Kimamisa | hi ! | 14:03 |
| Kimamisa | I think it is in the US | 14:03 |
| gcb | hi Kimamisa | 14:03 |
| gcb | let's wait 3 minute LOL | 14:03 |
| ruan_he | hi | 14:04 |
| gcb | hi ruan_he | 14:05 |
| gcb | I think it is a short meeting today | 14:05 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:05 | |
| gcb | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:05 |
| gcb | It seems ceilometer has failure, I will check that later | 14:06 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:06 | |
| gcb | Queens is open, we can issue releases now | 14:07 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/500556 this for queens | 14:07 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:07 | |
| gcb | That's all I update today, any one has topics to discuss today | 14:08 |
| Kimamisa | that was quick ! | 14:08 |
| ruan_he | we continue working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492543/ | 14:09 |
| Kimamisa | nothing but mentionning that nothing had been finally decided for my patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491629/) | 14:09 |
| ruan_he | we found that the info in http_check is not stable, this means that some components like Nova integrates all info in the http body, but some others don't | 14:10 |
| Kimamisa | except that dhellman and stevem were not in favour of it | 14:10 |
| ruan_he | I have just have one question, since no more comments in the spec, can we consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492543/ stable? | 14:11 |
| gcb | Kimamisa: just ping dhellmann :-) | 14:12 |
| Kimamisa | gcb: we did it, but not outcome went out the discussion since he was not in favor of it, but not formally opposed if someone was willing to merge it | 14:13 |
| gcb | ruan_he: yeah, would push other core reviewers vote your spec | 14:13 |
| gcb | Kimamisa, so you have talked with dhellmann in the IRC ? | 14:14 |
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| ruan_he | gcb, i'm not so familiar with the vote procedure | 14:14 |
| Kimamisa | gcb: yes, on #openstack-oslo | 14:15 |
| gcb | ruan_he: just +2 or -1 for your spec | 14:15 |
| ruan_he | ok | 14:16 |
| gcb | Kimamisa, could you add comment with your discussion with dhellmann , then others could know what happened | 14:16 |
| gcb | Kimamisa, I can approve this if dhellmann is not against the change | 14:17 |
| Kimamisa | gcb: done | 14:21 |
| gcb | Kimamisa: will approve it later | 14:23 |
| gcb | thanks Kimamisa , ruan_he I think we can end the meeting now | 14:23 |
| ruan_he | last question | 14:23 |
| ruan_he | how to launch the vote by core developers? | 14:23 |
| Kimamisa | gcb: thanks ! | 14:24 |
| gcb | ruan_he: just add them as reviewers, then at least two core reviewers add +2 then we can merge it | 14:25 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "more ptg planning (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 14:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 4 14:26:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-04-14.00.html | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-04-14.00.txt | 14:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-09-04-14.00.log.html | 14:26 |
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| dtantsur | is there a meeting still going on here? | 17:00 |
| vdrok | seems like it's over | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | well, I see Meeting topic: requirements :) | 17:01 |
| vdrok | oh | 17:01 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| etingof | o/ | 17:01 |
| milan | o/ | 17:01 |
| vdrok | the last message was at 17:26, and it was the endmeeting :) | 17:02 |
| stendulker_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 4 17:02:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:02 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:02 |
| kaifeng | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | anyway :) hi all! | 17:02 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual can be found at | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| dtantsur | well, the most important one is | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info PTG in Denver starts in one week | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | our schedule has not changed since the previous meeting: | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg | 17:03 |
| vdrok | btw do we have some arrivals info somewhere? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | I guess, if it stays the same by the end of this meeting, we can call it final | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: no | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | only attendees list | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | and I need to revive a hangouts chat | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | I have started creating etherpads for sections. I'll copy the current comments there when I'm done | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | (sorry, delayed slightly, my phone rang moments before the meeting) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | anything else to announce? heads-up about the dinner TheJulia? | 17:05 |
| TheJulia | I sent an email to the mailing list with a possibility. Please check it out, and give me feedback today if possible. http://coloradopubco.com/stapleton-caseys/ | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:06 |
| rpioso | TheJulia: ty! | 17:06 |
| vdrok | thanks! | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | there are a few things of interest next Mon-Tue | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | #info at 4pm on Monday (Denver time) we will have a x-project session with Kolla | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | and cinder | 17:07 |
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| ricardoas | o/ | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | there is also a request from the RefStack and Interop WG to chat with ironic and cinder about testing them standalone | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | I'm not aware of details in both cases, just whatever is on the ML | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | the skip-level room may be interesting. I think our resource class changes will make skip level upgrades impossible :) | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-skip-level-upgrades | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | I think Bob and Ruby are planning to go there | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | I'll be mostly in the API SIG room on Monday morning, I think | 17:09 |
| vdrok | I might attend the upgrades as well | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | anything else interesting to bring up wrt the PTG? | 17:09 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: happy to chat with refstack and interop wgs about standalone testing | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: nice! I've asked them to book a specific timeslot - see the ML | 17:10 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: thanks! | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | I'm not aware of anything network-related planned. anyone? vdrok? | 17:11 |
| vdrok | nope I don't think we have anything for x-project | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | anyone checking the docs room? | 17:12 |
| TheJulia | I can if schedule permits | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | ok :) I don't think we need anything of them, just in case | 17:13 |
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| milan | reduce the red color ;) | 17:13 |
| vdrok | looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens, dunno if we need to | 17:13 |
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| * TheJulia wonders if jokes could be made about zombie movies then... | 17:14 | |
| vdrok | oh maybe regarding the stable branch docs | 17:14 |
| * TheJulia only even mentions it because it seems like zombie tv show marathon day in the states. | 17:14 | |
| dtantsur | lol @ zombie movies | 17:14 |
| vdrok | but it conflicts with this kolla things on monday | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: well, it's not critical either, right? | 17:14 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | okay, anything else to announce? anything wrt the PTG? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:15 | |
| dtantsur | we don't have much, and everything we have is at | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | line 118 | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: do we have a BFV meeting on Thu? | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | Yes, Intending to run one | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | okie. I'll have to run quite soon, I think | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | I kind of expect attendence to be light because people will begin traveling | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | yeah I won't be traveling, but busy anyway | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | Yeah | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | mmm, forgot: vdrok did you want to start a spreadsheet with arrival/departure times and hotels? please feel free to :) | 17:18 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: spreadsheet or etherpad? :) | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: as you wish, we can reuse the main PTG etherpad | 17:18 |
| vdrok | ++ ok | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | everyone done with the statuses? there does not seem to be much | 17:21 |
| vdrok | doesn't look like any of priorities merged, and not many updates for the subteams | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I was mostly finishing docs and doing urgent personal errands | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deciding on priorities for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:22 | |
| dtantsur | speaking of which ^^^ | 17:22 |
| vdrok | keeping the same? :) | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | I would leave it as it is, but move "review specs" to the top | 17:22 |
| milan | add inspector ;) | 17:22 |
| TheJulia | spec reviews ++ | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | I'd appreciate folks review as many specs as it's possible before the PTG | 17:22 |
| yuriyz | +1 for specs review | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | then we'll have much more common context | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | otherwise, leaving the list as it is? | 17:23 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | ah, inspector. it's hard to make it a priority, given that the majority of people here do not know it any well | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | which is something to discuss at the PTG, btw | 17:23 |
| milan | would maybe encourage people to review it if it was in the list ;) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | I doubt it | 17:24 |
| milan | lol | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | especially the HA patches: they require a lot of context | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | If there is a specific item... maybe :) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: we'll have an HA discussion at the PTG, it may give folks more context | 17:25 |
| * dtantsur is sad milan cannot go | 17:25 | |
| TheJulia | :( | 17:25 |
| * milan just needs a +2 from dtantsur | 17:25 | |
| milan | ;) | 17:25 |
| milan | yeah | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | hehe, I'll try getting to it this week | 17:25 |
| vdrok | milan: I can give you one, for some cookies | 17:25 |
| * milan sad cause a lot tech stuff going to be discussed there | 17:25 | |
| dtantsur | lol. bribing in a recorded channel, c'mon! | 17:25 |
| vdrok | :D | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: but they are all recorded! | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:26 | |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: ooops :) | 17:26 |
| milan | vdrok ack :D | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | okay, the floor is open | 17:26 |
| milan | make Fridays Inspector days? :) | 17:26 |
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| * milan quits ranting about it :) | 17:27 | |
| dtantsur | I'm all for suggestions on how to make inspector more interesting for the broader team | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | I'm pretty sure some folks (quick glance at bifrost crew) use it without reviewing too much | 17:27 |
| TheJulia | I'll be around on friday all day if anyone wants to discuss bifrost in great detail. I've started on some of the work to refactor the library usage so we can actually move forward and support other things like... portgroups, and volumes *grin* | 17:27 |
| wanyen | dtantsur, I have a few questions regarding custom resource class and standard resource class | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: you can try | 17:28 |
| wanyen | does Nova allow multiple custom resource classes today? | 17:28 |
| vdrok | yup I think so | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: multiple custom resource classes for what? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | in general - yes, for ironic - no | 17:28 |
| wanyen | dtansur, if nova allows multiple resource classes in general, any issues for Ironic to support multiple custom rsc classes? | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: yes, the same issues I mentioned every time we talked about it | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | if we have two classes, how to track consumption? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | if I have R1 and R2 on a node, but the instance consumed only R1, how does nova know that R2 is also consumed? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | this is a cornerstone of all problems with the previous approach to the scheduling | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | :( | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | if we solve it, we can probably have many resource classes | 17:31 |
| * TheJulia ponders | 17:31 | |
| TheJulia | I'm sure we could solve it, but I suspect we would have to make some major changes to the virt driver | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | s/virt driver/placement engine/ | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | that's the problem ^^^^ | 17:32 |
| TheJulia | well, both really | 17:32 |
| wanyen | dtantsur, as long as ironic virt driver can consume all the rsc classes when placing an instance on a node, then the residual rsc issue is solved. right? | 17:32 |
| TheJulia | wanyen: but it is not the virt driver, it is the placement engine | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: yes, except that the virt driver cannot consume anything. it's no longer handling consumptions. the placement engine does. | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | so we need a way to tell the placement engine: this hypervisor is "all-or-nothing" | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | it's not impossible, but it's a call for Nova folks, not for us | 17:33 |
| vdrok | wanyen: yes, but this is not how it was designed. it was designed to consume what was requested. | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | hence I've been pointing Nisha and you to Nova folks all this time. have you talked to them? | 17:33 |
| wanyen | dtanstsur, I thought you have made changes to the virt driver to consume all rsc. | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | we have a temporary hack to simulate it more or less. it does not always work, and it is going away. | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | in queens virt drivers won't be able to hack consumption of resources, whether we like it or not | 17:34 |
| * milan suspects the more classes the more issues | 17:35 | |
| dtantsur | we need to have allocations reflecting the nature of bare metal | 17:35 |
| * TheJulia suspects milan is correct there | 17:35 | |
| dtantsur | which is something virt drivers do not have control over | 17:35 |
| wanyen | dtantsur, perhaps a trait to indicate that this rsc class is "Ironic"., so Nova will know that it needs to consume all rsc? | 17:35 |
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| TheJulia | wanyen: That would be a question for the nova folks | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: perhaps, but this is not something anyone here can decide. | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: you can start with talking to jaypipes on #openstack-nova or stopping by their IRC meeting | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | the nova-scheduler meeting is at 2pm UTC every Monday | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | an ML thread could also help, I guess. maybe even both: first the ML, then the meeting | 17:36 |
| wanyen | dtantsur, ok. Just want to get some input from Ironic. | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | got it. so my input personally is: I'm cool with it, as long as nova can handle it in a clean way, without hacks in virt drivers. | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | wanyen: it would also be good to detail your perceived use case(s) to help readers have context. | 17:37 |
| wanyen | in terms of the rsc class rules supported in inspector, I think we need to expand it so the oob inspection can support it. | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | wanyen: this is something we can do. the only caveat is to agree on a single inventory format. | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | which probably should be the existing IPA format.. | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | and then, of course, to agree on the rules API. I'd of course vote for existing ironic-inspector API to be moved as it is to ironic :) | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | this is something someone should write a spec on, I think | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | Agreed | 17:40 |
| wanyen | dtansur: great! looking fwrd to add this support in oob inspection. | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | Except, wouldn't we need nova resource classes to be sorted first? | 17:41 |
| milan | there's just the inspector&resource classes in the PTG topics, maybe worth adding a Nova X-session? | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | milan: wanyen won't be on the PTG | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: nope, there are not related | 17:41 |
| milan | ironic of me to suggest it too | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: if we have inspection rules similar to inspector's, using one number of resource classes will be easier | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | s/one/any/ | 17:42 |
| wanyen | milan, I won't be a t PTG. That's why I am discussing it in this IRC. | 17:42 |
| * milan really wishes not to be missing this particular PTG | 17:42 | |
| milan | wanyen, I see | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | I guess I'm not grasping something between the two topics, I guess I'll just have to wait until we are at the ptg next week to try and further grasp where my disconnect is | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | the plan I propose is: 1. talk to nova folks about consumption of bare metal resources, 2. get a spec written on moving inspection rules to ironic | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | I won't have time for either, so it's up to you :) | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | Sounds like a good plan | 17:44 |
| milan | dtantsur, I'm cool with inspector being engulfed by ironic if I get Ironic core vote in exchange :P | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | look at this guy ^^^ :D | 17:45 |
| milan | ;) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | milan: what about doing some reviews to achieve the same result? ;) | 17:45 |
| milan | hehe yeah :D | 17:45 |
| vdrok | and now everyone will think how corrupted ironic is :D | 17:46 |
| milan | lol | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | btw, we have a topic proposed for the ptg: "inspection and resource classes" | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | if we can get a spec before the ptg, we can take a look at it (with whoever goes there, I mean) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | ok. anything else? | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | I have nothing, aside from coffee to drink and code to write | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | not so bad | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | let's give TheJulia 12 more minutes to enjoy these great things :) | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | lol | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | thanks all, see you in a week | 17:48 |
| vdrok | thanks! | 17:48 |
| milan | o/ :) | 17:48 |
| vdrok | \o | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | See everyone soon! | 17:48 |
| etingof | \o | 17:48 |
| rpioso | Looking forward to it! | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "more ptg planning (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 17:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 4 17:49:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-04-17.02.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-04-17.02.txt | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-09-04-17.02.log.html | 17:49 |
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