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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: hi | 18:00 |
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| annakk | hi! | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 14 18:01:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| annakk | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_14th.2C_7th_2017 | 18:02 |
| tbachman | annakk: hi! | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: rkukura: hi | 18:02 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:02 |
| tbachman | PTG West | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we can go in the reverse order of the agenda since we didnt get enough time last week | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic py27 error messages and copious logs | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I was more concerned about exceptions I was seeing py27 job logs | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | like “This handler is supposed to handle AFTER events, as in 'AFTER it's committed', not BEFORE. Offending resource event: security_group, after_create” | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “SubnetInUse: Unable to complete operation on subnet <subnet-id>: One or more ports have an IP allocation from this subnet” | 18:04 |
| annakk | I though this was due to delayed notification | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are a few others like this | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay, i wasnt seeing this before, at least not in newton | 18:04 |
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| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: I think the warning was added in ocata upstream | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: ah okay, that explains | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i guess if its a warning, its less alarming | 18:05 |
| annakk | but it is spamming the logs.. | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: yes sure | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once we are able to determing that we can ignore it, i would suggest that we supress it for the py27 logs | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather at least for the py27 logs | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we consider supressing (or lowering to debug level) for normal operation too | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the SubnetInUse i think was definitely an exception | 18:07 |
| annakk | I didn't see that one, is it always in the logs? | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yes, i saw a bunch of those at least when i last sample it | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *sampled | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, the list i prepared was not an exhaustive one | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are probably like those | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just for ready reference, these were the ones I have enumerated in the meeting agenda topic: | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | This handler is supposed to handle AFTER events, as in 'AFTER it's committed', not BEFORE. Offending resource event: security_group, after_create. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | No sqlalchemy event for resource <resource> found | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SubnetInUse: Unable to complete operation on subnet <subnet-id>: One or more ports have an IP allocation from this subnet. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | User: None dont have permissions | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Extension path 'neutron/tests/unit/extensions' doesn't exist! | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we will need to individually investigate each of those, and determine if its a real problem or not | 18:10 |
| annakk | agree | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i went through a couple of iterations like with the previous branches, and the logs were pretty clean on newton | 18:11 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: right - some of these may be real issues, or things we will need to fix before some future upstream change | 18:11 |
| annakk | I still don't see the SubnetInUse but I see abunch of others | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i was pretty surprised to see these huge number of warnings/exceptions | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay i will go back and verify | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: the log i was looking at was this: | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | http://logs.openstack.org/29/501529/1/check/gate-group-based-policy-python27-ubuntu-xenial/8ccf4ca/console.html | 18:12 |
| annakk | we are looking in console log, correct? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: right, ^^^ | 18:12 |
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| annakk | I'll try to clean some of those up | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: thanks | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the log file takes a long time to load | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | some of those you cant find until the whole file is loaded | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i remember i started looking from the bottom :-P | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway moving on | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic UI patches & state of UI on master/ocata | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/group-based-policy-ui | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: i think after your patch merged, the basic UI was working | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it worked for me | 18:15 |
| annakk | yes | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: so thanks for that fix | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | after that we tested and merged this yesterday - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493617/ | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was a small issue in there which, per the author, seemed to be getting fixed later | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i tested this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502223/ earlier today | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and that seems to be broken | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i didnt put a -1 since i had a question for the author | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: you tested #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497235/ and the ‘+’ still seems to be broken, right? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (i havent gotten to that patch yet) | 18:18 |
| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay thanks for testing that as well | 18:18 |
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| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: np | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one thing is i think we need to check with the authors if there is an order in which we need to be testing these | 18:19 |
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| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: yes dependencies are not evident | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will take an AI to email the authors and check | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in the second patch i tested it was dependent on the first one we merged | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and while i keep referring to them as “authors” i really want to thank Marek Lyčka, Aleš Křivák and viktor.krivak@ultimum.io for posting all these patches | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | their work is really cleaning up a lot of cruft and long standing issues | 18:21 |
| annakk | +1, the UI is looking better with transfer tables | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: anything else you want to discuss about the UI patches in this meeting? | 18:22 |
| annakk | no | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay moving on | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic mitaka, newton DB migration backport strategy | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499185/ | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499240 | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we discussed at length in last week’s meeting | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it seemed like we have agreement on the short term plan | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the longer term strategy is still up for discussion | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had a follow up email on the longer term startegy | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | where a i proposed one possible approach | 18:25 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I put together a reply with another option, but then wasn’t convinced it would really work | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | might be worth sharing anyway in case it sparks some other ideas | 18:25 |
| rkukura | I’ll revisit it | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: tbachman: any fresh thoughts at your end (apart from not allowing migration backports)? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 18:26 |
| * tbachman has no thoughts | 18:26 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay | 18:26 |
| annakk | no ideas.. | 18:26 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I’ll spend some time on it this week | 18:26 |
| rkukura | it depended on having specific release points across all branches, which I’m not sure is viable | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman: do you have opinions on the proposal i made? | 18:27 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I need to think on it | 18:27 |
| * tbachman has been heads-down of late :( | 18:27 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:27 |
| annakk | I feel another downside of heavy backporting might be that we'll be reluctant to move forward with the releases, since it multiplies backports.. | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: fair comment | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and its pretty accurate too | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but again the problem is that we are not able to push users to move between releases as fast we would like to | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i do agree its a chicken and egg situation; users will feel more compelled to move if we stop supporting | 18:30 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I guess the big question is whether that is a project-wide issue or a vendor-specific issue | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont have comprehensive data across vendors | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was anticipating we will have another long discussion on this today, but i guess we are still hung over from last week’s discussion ;-) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: rkukura: tbachman: anything else you wanted to bring up? | 18:33 |
| rkukura | not from me | 18:33 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: not from me | 18:33 |
| * tbachman is still hung over from last week’s discussion :P | 18:33 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ;-) | 18:33 |
| annakk | we can discuss SumitNaiksatam's double-chain suggestion :) | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: i think tbachman and rkukura mentioned that they need more time think over it | 18:34 |
| rkukura | ok with me | 18:34 |
| annakk | if upgrade skips a release, will we need to run the release-specific chain for the release that was skipped? | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I haven’t looked into the mechanism supporting multiple chains, but it seems like it could help | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: good point | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: yes | 18:35 |
| annakk | ok | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont know we can eforce that | 18:36 |
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| annakk | is there any infrastructure for upgrade tests? in openstack or in gbp.. | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: there is | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean there are UTs | 18:36 |
| rkukura | are any migrations release-specific for the long term? I’m not sure what would go on the release-specific chains | 18:36 |
| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: UTs for upgrade from prev version? I'll look for those.. | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what goes into a release-specific chain is what is present in a release X but cannot be backported to release < X | 18:38 |
| rkukura | or maybe I should read “release” as “stable branch” | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the assumption is that release X +1 will rely on that release-specific change from release X being present | 18:38 |
| rkukura | but if its in X, it is also in X+1, so its not specific to X any more | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | (basically restating annakk’s point) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, release-specific with respect to releases < X | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps the terminology release-specific is not the most accruate | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | didnt mean to imply changes only specific to a release | 18:40 |
| annakk | if change X goes into release specific chain, and then comes change Y that goes to main chain, and those two conflict, change X will need to be rewritten since its timing is now changed? | 18:40 |
| annakk | or should we disallow such scenarios? | 18:40 |
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| rkukura | not to confuse matters, but we probably should adopt the expand/contract stuff at some point, right? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: good point, yes we would have to mindful of the fact that the release-specific chain runs later | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, but tackles a different issue about supporting rolling upgrades, right? | 18:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think that was the motivation, along with OVO | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any more thoughts, or did we discuss enough to chew on this for a little more? ;-) | 18:44 |
| * annakk needs to chew more :) | 18:45 | |
| * rkukura gags | 18:45 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: rkukura lol | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for earlier callout to the PTG | 18:45 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this is our virtual PTG (should have been on our agenda) | 18:45 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: welcome ;) | 18:46 |
| * tbachman has some catching up to do | 18:46 | |
| rkukura | we have more PTGs than upstream | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i belive some of the projects are living streaming from the PTG | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay, we will let you catch up on the PTG :-) | 18:47 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 18:47 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thx! | 18:47 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | keep discussion going on the emails | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:47 |
| annakk | bye! | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 14 18:47:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-14-18.01.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-14-18.01.txt | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-14-18.01.log.html | 18:47 |
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