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| marios | win 7 | 13:52 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 14:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:03 |
| shuyingya | o/ | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | hi, I believe that will be only us today | 14:04 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| tosky | so, we are in a phase where infra is changing few stuff and we had some breakages | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | there isn't much to update today, I've been working on policy in code patch (which was almost done at PTG) | 14:05 |
| tosky | it will impact us when zuul v3 will be deployed "really soon", as we will have to fix the gates | 14:05 |
| tosky | apart from that, horizon broke our dashboard but the change is reverted for now (I filed a bug to note the changes) | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, do we need to take any action to fix the gates after zull v3? | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | most of my job is to find the problem with heat folks in my company to solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1717918, and also take a look at the validation issue | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717918 in Sahara "Failed to create sahara cluster if reauthentication_auth_method =trusts" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: no; they will convert the jobs and move them in-tree, so we will see a set of review for that (for each repository) | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 14:07 |
| tosky | after merging them, we should work on restructuring them | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | what patch of horizon broke dashboard? | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, sounds good | 14:07 |
| tosky | shuyingya: that heat thing seems complicated, but thanks for pushing your colleagues :) | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah :) | 14:08 |
| tosky | the details about the dashboard change are here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1718637 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718637 in Sahara "[UI] Fix/update the registration method for the panels" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:08 |
| shuyingya | they have find the solution in downstream and it can works now | 14:08 |
| shuyingya | but not sure if it is stable | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, it is a step closer | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | keep us posted please | 14:09 |
| shuyingya | sure, tellesnobrega | 14:10 |
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| tellesnobrega | any more news? | 14:10 |
| shuyingya | I don't have new update | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Change meeting time | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Change meeting time (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:11 | |
| tellesnobrega | At the PTG we discussed about moving all sahara meetings to this time | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | good news to me \o/ | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | since it works best for most of sahara current active contributors, I will have to check with meeting organizers to see if it is possible | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | and hopefully all meetings will be at 14 UTC | 14:12 |
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| shuyingya | thanks for your consideration, tellesnobrega | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, no problem | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:14 | |
| tellesnobrega | Basically there isn't much to talk today since we talked a lot last week | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, hopefully you will get more upstream time this cycle and you can pick some of the features/bug fixes to work on | 14:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | we didn't assign anything for you since you weren't at the PTG but you can assign yourself to some stuff there | 14:16 |
| shuyingya | of course. and I can recruit more Chinese contributor to sahara if possible | 14:16 |
| tosky | I think that shuyingya already sent two patches for two issues discussed during the PTG (well, which have been raised by him) | 14:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks shuyingya | 14:17 |
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| shuyingya | my pleasure. The downstream task is not busy right recently. Hopefully I can make sahara better with you all | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | great | 14:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | I think this is all I have, does any have anything else to discuss today? | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | if not, I will end the meeting and we can go back to work | 14:21 |
| shuyingya | nope, the next three days I am going to have a travel. So maybe don't have time to review patches | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, sure, no problem | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | that reminds me, next week I might be off, so we can either cancel the meeting or someone else can chair the meeting, I will confirm later | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, lets close it | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks tosky and shuyingya | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 14:23:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-21-14.00.html | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-21-14.00.txt | 14:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-21-14.00.log.html | 14:24 |
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| haleyb | Swami: hi, let me start meeting | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 15:02:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:03 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| haleyb | Hope people had a productive PTG and have recovered by now | 15:04 |
| Swami | mlavalle will not be able to attend today's meeting, since he has a conflict | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: sure | 15:05 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I hope mlavalle might have sent out a report of the PTG update | 15:06 |
| haleyb | i don't remember seeing it yet, i'll look again | 15:07 |
| Swami | haleyb: I thought mlavalle mentioned that he would send it out in a day or two. Sorry I have not seen either. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | I guess the one thing we got out of the PTG was more L3 bugs, at least in all these corner cases of router migration and such | 15:07 |
| haleyb | I had no other announcements, might as well move to bugs | 15:08 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks, let us go over the dvr bugs | 15:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes agreed | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1718585 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718585 in neutron "set floatingip status to DOWN during creation" [Undecided,Opinion] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:10 |
| Swami | This bug has been filed by anil-venkata | 15:10 |
| Swami | It seems that he is asking to change the behavior of floatingip status report. | 15:11 |
| haleyb | i thought we set status to ERROR by default, only ACTIVE if succeedd | 15:11 |
| Swami | haleyb: That was my opinion, but I need to recheck and I have not payed attention to the status. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | haleyb: But in the case of migration of floatingIP or router associated with a floatingip keeping a new status for floatingip would be tedious. | 15:12 |
| Swami | We always say that when a VM migrates or a floatingIP migrates there should not be any down time, then why do we need to change the state. | 15:13 |
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| Swami | I agree that during the initial floatingIP setup there should be some state that determines, if it is ready to be consumed or not | 15:14 |
| haleyb | yeah, we should only change on target host if it failed, otherwise the state could be flakey if new updated before old host | 15:14 |
| haleyb | since one could be tearing down while other is building | 15:14 |
| Swami | haleyb: but the floatingip state is not tied to host. | 15:14 |
| haleyb | but the agent reports the state, that's what i'm getting at | 15:15 |
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| Swami | haleyb: There are currently three floatingIP states and I did see an additional state that is defined in the agent as 'NOCHANGE' | 15:16 |
| Swami | haleyb: may be we can see what makes sense to handle all these timing issues with floatingip. | 15:17 |
| Swami | More discussion needed on this. | 15:18 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:18 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1718345 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718345 in neutron "ml2_distributed_port_bindings not cleared after migration from DVR" [Undecided,New] | 15:18 |
| Swami | I have to check the code path to see why the ml2 port binding is not being cleared when the router is migrated. | 15:19 |
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| Swami | The port binding is actually done when ensure_port_binding is called. | 15:20 |
| Swami | But we need to see if the router migration takes a similar path or not. | 15:20 |
| haleyb | looks like a bug, since we found all these other cases with router ports i'm not surprised to find something else | 15:20 |
| Swami | The original design was to move the legacy to dvr and not to move the dvr to legacy. So there may be some corner cases here. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | which we have not addressed. | 15:21 |
| haleyb | agreed, we've just never noticed since noone typically does this | 15:21 |
| Swami | I will triage this and see what is missing in here. | 15:21 |
| haleyb | great, thanks | 15:22 |
| Swami | The next in the list is | 15:22 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [Undecided,New] | 15:22 |
| Swami | I posted a patch to address this issue | 15:23 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505324/ | 15:23 |
| Swami | but still I was seeing a couple of tests failing for east-west communication. | 15:24 |
| haleyb | Can you add a closes-bug to that next update? to tie it to the bug? | 15:24 |
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| Swami | haleyb: This is not directly related to this bug, this was a migration patch that I included to test the case here. | 15:24 |
| Swami | haleyb: But still I am seeing east-west with fip failing. | 15:25 |
| Swami | haleyb: not sure what is causing this. | 15:25 |
| Swami | haleyb: The log trace still shows that an IP cannot be assigned to qg- interface and does not exist. | 15:25 |
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| haleyb | Swami: i will look at the dvr scheduler part of that change again, think that's where i didn't look as close | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | but the qg- error is still strange | 15:26 |
| Swami | Also the unknown factor here is, in the logs, I can see that it is trying to ARP on an IP for qg- interface in the qrouter namespace. I am not sure if this is log noise or something related to the failure. | 15:26 |
| reedip_ | hi | 15:27 |
| haleyb | reedip_: hi | 15:27 |
| Swami | reedip_: hi | 15:27 |
| Swami | haleyb: we will keep debuging this issue with the patch. | 15:27 |
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| reedip_ | just joining in , please continue, I will put up my point in an open discussion if possible :) | 15:27 |
| Swami | reedip_: we are discussing the dvr bugs. | 15:28 |
| Swami | reedip_: If you have one related to the FWaaS, you can post it now | 15:28 |
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| reedip_ | Swami : yep , but I think its more related to the FWaaS than DVR actually . | 15:28 |
| Swami | ok I will go ahead and bring in that bug for discussion | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1716401 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1716401 in neutron "FWaaS: Ip tables rules do not get updated in case of distributed virtual routers (DVR)" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:29 |
| reedip_ | oh heheheh :) | 15:29 |
| reedip_ | yeah thats the one :) | 15:29 |
| Swami | reedip_: can you discuss it now | 15:30 |
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| reedip_ | I understand that FWaaS still hasnt looped in the HA part of a router, so its a separate discussion :) | 15:30 |
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| Swami | reedip_: I think I had read through the bug description and add in my comments. I also wanted to talk to sridhar during the PTG, but he was bussy. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | reedip_: let us keep the ha part apart and work with non-ha first. | 15:31 |
| reedip_ | Swami : well we can discuss it now :) | 15:31 |
| Swami | reedip_: go ahead | 15:32 |
| Swami | reedip_: if you can point me in the bug, where your code is handling the router_update scenario, then I can check it out. | 15:32 |
| reedip_ | Swami : as far as I know, the DVR code included the DVR and DVR_SNAT option for deployment in the Compute and the Controller node . | 15:32 |
| reedip_ | I do not know much about DVR, so just starting to look at it from the bug;s point of view | 15:33 |
| reedip_ | but FWaaS has not considered DVR_SNAT as of now | 15:33 |
| Swami | reedip_: I am sure when we originally designed this both was considered. | 15:33 |
| Swami | reedip_: in the case of floatingip either residing in dvr_snat node or in dvr node, the rules were configured on the 'rfp' port of the router namespace and cleared when floatingip was removed. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | reedip_: this is only for north-south. In the case of dvr_snat you additionally need to setup the rules in the qg- interface on the snat_namespace. | 15:35 |
| reedip_ | Swami : ok ... | 15:35 |
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| Swami | reedip_: The only behavior change that we introduced in dvr is creating the fipnamespace along with the gateway create on external network. | 15:36 |
| reedip_ | Swami : I need to read the arch for DVR, so maybe I can put this issue up later ? I will look into the points that you have mentioned | 15:36 |
| Swami | reedip_: ok, ping me on the IRC channel or add your comments on the bug description and we can take it from there. | 15:36 |
| Swami | reedip_: hope this helps. | 15:37 |
| reedip_ | Sure Swami. By the way any doc where in I can find some DVR info ? | 15:37 |
| reedip_ | I mean the arch for DVR ? | 15:37 |
| Swami | reedip_: All our docs were in the google. Ping me offline and I can point you to the dvr docs. | 15:38 |
| Swami | The next bug in the list is | 15:38 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707003 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707003 in neutron "gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ha-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv job has a very high failure rate" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:38 |
| reedip_ | ping you offline ? | 15:38 |
| reedip_ | ok :) | 15:38 |
| Swami | haleyb: any update on the grafana with this issue. Are we still seeing the grenade failures | 15:39 |
| haleyb | refreshing page now... | 15:39 |
| Swami | haleyb: sorry wrong post. | 15:39 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1713927 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713927 in neutron "gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-ubuntu-xenial fails constantly" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:40 |
| Swami | I meant this bug. | 15:40 |
| haleyb | grafana still has the job just under 20%, let me look at other bug | 15:40 |
| haleyb | oh, that bug :) I just updated my fip host patch this morning, had to go through the logic yet again | 15:41 |
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| Swami | haleyb: For the grafana issue the patch that you are working on is not required. Since we already have the agent side fix, that should have brought it down. | 15:42 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500143/ is the patch | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | right, it's just the last remaining known issue to fix and backport | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks for the patch link. | 15:42 |
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| Swami | haleyb: The one thing I have seen in the grenade failure is something unrelated like volume failures etc., | 15:43 |
| haleyb | i will look at some of the failures to see if they are related, i've seen the "can't ssh" failures randomly, and there is another patch for that | 15:43 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok sounds good. | 15:44 |
| Swami | Let us move on | 15:44 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717597 | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717597 in neutron "Bad arping call in DVR centralized floating IP code" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:44 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ was the patch | 15:44 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok thanks | 15:45 |
| haleyb | i think that patch just got approved - for arping | 15:45 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504252/ | 15:45 |
| Swami | link to the patch. | 15:45 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes it should merge today. | 15:45 |
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| haleyb | then i'll cherry-pick | 15:46 |
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| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:46 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1716829 | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1716829 in neutron "Centralized floatingips not configured right with DVR and HA" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:46 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503530/ | 15:46 |
| Swami | This needs a workflow | 15:46 |
| Swami | I think this can even merge before the fip['host'] patch, so there not really much of dependencies here. | 15:48 |
| haleyb | the parent if the fip host patch, so it can't merge yet | 15:48 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | strange how my comments appear in the latest +2, blame that on gerrit | 15:49 |
| Swami | haleyb: sure | 15:50 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I think we have discussed almost all the bugs. | 15:50 |
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| Swami | haleyb: There are still some gate failure bugs, which are DB related. StaledataError and failed to bind a port. | 15:50 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1716321 | 15:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1716321 in neutron "StaleDataError: UPDATE statement on table 'standardattributes' expected to update 1 row(s); 0 were matched." [Undecided,New] | 15:51 |
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| Swami | I think we fixed, this one, but we need to make sure if it is occuring again. | 15:51 |
| haleyb | Swami: related to bugs, there was a dvr change to master recently that i think needed a backport to pike, but i can't find the master review now | 15:51 |
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| Swami | haleyb: do you remember what was the patch about | 15:52 |
| Swami | haleyb: Is that the DVR - HA migration with router device owner change. | 15:52 |
| haleyb | link? i'll eventually find it but remember adding a comment in it the other day | 15:53 |
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| Swami | never mind that patch has already been cherry picked. | 15:54 |
| haleyb | i have a tab open somewhere, i'll ping you later | 15:55 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494376/ is this patch | 15:55 |
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| Swami | I just cherry-picked this one, while I type. | 15:56 |
| haleyb | i can't remember, i'll find it eventually :) | 15:56 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok I will go through my committed changes and cherry-pick if any | 15:57 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1718369 was the only other recent L3 bug, and I marked as need more info since the release wasn't given | 15:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718369 in neutron "DBDeadlock occurs when delete router_gateway" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:57 |
| Swami | ok i will keep an eye on it. | 15:58 |
| haleyb | we're about out of time | 15:58 |
| haleyb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:58 |
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| Swami | I think we have come to the top of the hour | 15:58 |
| haleyb | any topics for the last minute? | 15:58 |
| Swami | I hope we need to resolve the tempest issue. | 15:58 |
| Swami | haleyb: can you check with anil_venkata if he can run it in house the tempest test to see the failure on vrrp. | 15:59 |
| haleyb | Swami: which bug? | 15:59 |
| haleyb | time is up, ping me on #neutron channel | 16:00 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 16:00:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-21-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-21-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-21-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
| Swami | haleyb: bye | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #startmeeting api-sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 16:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #chair cdent edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:00 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | just to note: I’ve got a hard stop at the end of the meeting so need to leave myself out of the running for the newsletter | 16:02 |
| elmiko | edleafe had an action, and he did in fact freeze that review | 16:02 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:02 |
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| * edleafe is half-paying attention | 16:02 | |
| elmiko | hmm, so there is no -1 on that review, but there is a comment for clarification | 16:03 |
| elmiko | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:03 | |
| elmiko | one topic there, Review the discussion from PTG, make sure we're up to date on the actions | 16:04 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-ptg-queens | 16:04 |
| cdent | stepping back one, yeah, I’m not sure what, if anything, to do about that comment | 16:04 |
| elmiko | oops, sorry | 16:04 |
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| elmiko | yeah, me neither, i figured we'd circle back to it during the guidelines topic | 16:05 |
| cdent | k | 16:05 |
| elmiko | i probably should have said that though | 16:05 |
| edleafe | frankly, I don't understand the confusion | 16:05 |
| cdent | re etherpad: I thought we should see if there was anything we needed to clarify in the etherpad. I’m intending to do my own write up on “what happened at the ptg”, which will probalby do some of that thinking, but if there’s anything to say here that’s cool too | 16:06 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:06 |
| elmiko | we definitely had a lot of actiivity at the ptg, which was cool | 16:06 |
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| cdent | plenty of activity, but less clear what the takeaways are | 16:07 |
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| edleafe | I'm working on a PTG blog post, too | 16:08 |
| elmiko | well, big takeaway for me was the inclusion of the sdk folks and the knowledge about how the wg had been perceived by the user community | 16:08 |
| elmiko | that was an eye-opener | 16:08 |
| cdent | capabilities was another one | 16:08 |
| cdent | elmiko: I was surprised that you were surprised by that | 16:08 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:08 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:08 |
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| cdent | we read and write the os-dev list and talk about how to make apis on the server side and that’s about it | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i guess i just never realized how we were perceived outside the dev community | 16:09 |
| elmiko | right | 16:09 |
| elmiko | my blinders were fully on, i guess that's my admission here | 16:09 |
| edleafe | I was surprised too | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i also didn't realize how interested the user community was in the work that is going on | 16:09 |
| edleafe | I guess I don't put much thought into formal governance | 16:10 |
| cdent | it’s more about visibility perhaps? | 16:11 |
| elmiko | and messaging | 16:12 |
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| cdent | another topic that had some size was instruction on the way in which sdks should granularize access to the microversions | 16:13 |
| cdent | there was some surprise from various people | 16:13 |
| cdent | so that would be a good thing to write down at some point | 16:13 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:13 |
| elmiko | that convo got deeper that i expected | 16:13 |
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| edleafe | Unless someone approached us and we rejected their request as "we don't do that stuff", I guess I can't see why people felt they couldn't work with us | 16:13 |
| elmiko | edleafe: same for me | 16:14 |
| cdent | note that the people who were reporting this to us were not actual “users” but people representing the UC world, so there may be some telephone game going on, or theorizing | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | fair | 16:15 |
| elmiko | hopefully over the next month or so we'll have more interaction with melvin and the other uc folks to learn more about how we can help | 16:15 |
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| cdent | like you said, I think the way forward is increased interaction melvin et al, and more messaging | 16:16 |
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| cdent | we all seem to have a bit of interaction lag going on today | 16:17 |
| elmiko | so, only other thing to clear up from the etherpad might be to followup with dtantsur about writing up the guided review | 16:17 |
| elmiko | (for me at least) | 16:18 |
| elmiko | ok, moving along then | 16:19 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:19 |
| cdent | edleafe: above you said “frankly…” | 16:19 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:19 |
| cdent | which suggests nothing to worry about re that comment | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | so, i'm kinda wondering amotoki is just looking for a definition to be added? | 16:21 |
| elmiko | > I think we cannot define this without defining what "API extensions" means. | 16:21 |
| elmiko | but, there is no -1, so maybe a request for a future guideline addition? | 16:21 |
| cdent | perhaps so | 16:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: I hate to ignore comments, but that one seemed worthy. I'm worried about the after-effects of doing so. | 16:22 |
| cdent | it it true that there is no definition anywhere of “API extension” | 16:22 |
| cdent | edleafe: worth of being ignored or worth of being attended to? this statement “frankly, I don't understand the confusion” enhances my confusion | 16:23 |
| cdent | we can unfreeze it and I’ll add^wconstruct a definition if we agree that is the right thing to do | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i don't know about unfreeze | 16:25 |
| edleafe | cdent: it's a question of "how deep", and who the audience is. | 16:25 |
| elmiko | if he had -1'd then yeah, but i'd be ok with merging then adding a bug to create a definition | 16:25 |
| edleafe | we commonly talk about APIs, extensions, and the like | 16:25 |
| cdent | edleafe: so you’re saying it is worthy of being ignored? | 16:26 |
| edleafe | the existing wording says "API extensions are sometimes used to add custom functionality to single | 16:26 |
| edleafe | deployments of OpenStack. API extensions are sometimes used to add custom functionality to single | 16:26 |
| edleafe | doh! | 16:26 |
| edleafe | dumb terminal paste function | 16:26 |
| edleafe | "... deployments of OpenStack" | 16:27 |
| edleafe | the definition of what an extension is seems irrelevant | 16:27 |
| edleafe | it is the "custom functionality" which is the point, and which is "bad" | 16:28 |
| elmiko | good point, imo | 16:28 |
| cdent | so, in truth the term “api extensions” is irrelevant, it is “extending the api” that is the problem and we’re using what we consider a commonly accepted term of art? | 16:28 |
| edleafe | We could change "extensions" for "modifications" | 16:29 |
| edleafe | IOW: "don't modify an API. Create a separate service to do your custom stuff" | 16:30 |
| cdent | the question is this: should we merge what we’ve got or stick a -1 on it to say how it needs to change? | 16:30 |
| edleafe | I would say merge, and if there is confusion, add clarification later | 16:31 |
| cdent | i’m fine with that | 16:31 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:31 |
| elmiko | so moted, let it be done | 16:31 |
| edleafe | I can do it | 16:32 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:32 |
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| elmiko | i don't think there are any other guidelines that have moved since last meeting | 16:32 |
| cdent | I believe you are correct elmiko | 16:32 |
| elmiko | ok, then | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #topic bug review | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig | 16:33 |
| cdent | nothing new, it seems | 16:33 |
| elmiko | nice to see the list shrinking though =) | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:34 |
| elmiko | it's either me or you edleafe =) | 16:34 |
| elmiko | we need a randomizer on the irc bot | 16:34 |
| edleafe | I wasn't paying attention for most of the meeting :) | 16:34 |
| elmiko | me it is! | 16:35 |
| elmiko | edleafe i'll ping for review in a few | 16:35 |
| elmiko | any last comments or additions? | 16:35 |
| edleafe | yeah | 16:35 |
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| edleafe | was there any interest in moving these meetings to #openstack-sdk? | 16:35 |
| edleafe | I don't remember who brought it up at PTG | 16:35 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i don't remember that | 16:36 |
| edleafe | it was in the context of making us more open to SDK devs | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | if we do move, i think we'd have to give good notice and make sure that it is widely advertised when we will deprecate | 16:36 |
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| edleafe | might have been with David Flanders | 16:37 |
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| edleafe | for the record, I'm not in favor | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i suppose i don't have an objection as long as the other openstack-sdk inhabitants don't mind | 16:37 |
| edleafe | I like having separate logs | 16:37 |
| elmiko | cdent any thoughts? | 16:37 |
| cdent | i’m not a huge fan of having meetings in channels that already have casual traffic | 16:37 |
| edleafe | yeah, me neither | 16:38 |
| elmiko | i'm fine staying here | 16:38 |
| edleafe | ok, let's forget I brought it up :) | 16:38 |
| cdent | I get the idea of having office hours in a common/casual channel | 16:38 |
| cdent | but for a thing which is a meeting with an agenda, not so much | 16:38 |
| elmiko | yeah, that makes sense to me as well | 16:38 |
| cdent | we may wish to consider having office hours, but let’s think about that some other time | 16:38 |
| elmiko | so, maybe we should consider office hours? | 16:38 |
| elmiko | jinx | 16:38 |
| cdent | jinx! | 16:38 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:38 |
| elmiko | next ptg, first rounds on me ;) | 16:39 |
| cdent | noted | 16:39 |
| elmiko | ok then. any other last last minute topics? | 16:39 |
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| elmiko | going once... | 16:40 |
| elmiko | twice... | 16:40 |
| elmiko | thanks guys =) | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 16:40:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-21-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-21-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-21-16.00.log.html | 16:40 |
| cdent | thanks elmiko | 16:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | GBP meeting will start 30 mins later today | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: rkukura is out today, due to rosh hashanah | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ah okay | 18:30 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: and annak mentioned that she’ll be out as well | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but at least its not just me | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 18:31 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: if you dont mind, lets do a quick walk through on the agenda topics so that we can follow up later over emails | 18:31 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and for the benefit of anyone who cannot attend the meetings or is not on our email threads | 18:32 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 18:32:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_21st.2C_14th.2C_7th_2017 | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DB migration backport | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB migration backport (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:33 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | gerrit seems to be down | 18:33 |
| tbachman | :( | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you abandoned the patches i have linked in the agenda | 18:33 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: those were replaced by the new migration script | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but you have the new patch which we discussed late couple of weeks | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:34 |
| tbachman | #link https://review.openstack.org/504976 <= new gerrit to address DB migrations (short-term solution) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think your latest patch got over the migration script error, right? | 18:34 |
| tbachman | (at least the link is right ;-) | 18:34 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) | 18:34 |
| tbachman | the issue was a subsequent migration script (already committed) was missing the previous pointer | 18:35 |
| tbachman | once I updated that, it worked | 18:35 |
| tbachman | (even with the method that imports, rather than duplicates, the earlier migrations) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: cool | 18:35 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: the plan is to backport this, dropping some of the migrations as needed, per-stable branch | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so this is with the non __init__ workaround? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: that makes sense | 18:36 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: it still needs the __init__ workaround | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for getting this patch out! | 18:36 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nice work | 18:36 |
| tbachman | thx! | 18:36 |
| tbachman | I know that rkukura won’t be able to review it until next week, due to the holiday | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the longer term strategy i dont think we have made that much head way | 18:36 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:37 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am good with the patch | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if we get one more reviewer, we can merge it | 18:37 |
| tbachman | k | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the longer term, i did talk one more colleague | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you know him :-) | 18:37 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or you can guess | 18:37 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the suggestion was to build the migration chain as a graph | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | where we would have multiple HEADs as leaf nodes | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in theory this approach would work, but it will be pretty complicated to write the migration scripts since the author will have to spell out the dependency of a migration script on all other scripts (it depends on) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | difficult to completely explain here | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will revert to email | 18:39 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: sounds good | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you can think of a generalization of the multiple chain strategy i was thinking | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i assume you are not in hurry as far as the longer term strategy is concerned? | 18:40 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok thankds | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic UI patches | 18:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:40 | |
| tbachman | I think we need to make sure we have a good strategy long-term, so spending the time to think and investigate is time well-spent, imho | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ack | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/group-based-policy-ui | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i am still seeing some issues with the patches posted | 18:41 |
| tbachman | :( | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | these might very well be issues in my env | 18:41 |
| tbachman | strange, b/c it sounds like they’re working for annak | 18:41 |
| tbachman | annakk | 18:41 |
| * tbachman forgot the extra “K" | 18:42 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have been testing some of the patches she has presumably not tested | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | presumed (based on the review comments) | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will eventually finish reviewing and merging these patches (hopefully soon) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the thing i am not sure about is whether we want to backport these to stable/ocata | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i started of thinking that we were going to backport these | 18:43 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: it might be good to get annakk’s insights here | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but there is a huge amount of refactor in these patches and i am leaning towards not backporting these | 18:44 |
| tbachman | to see if she’s tried them on stable/ocata as well | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: rivht | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *right | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so unless its absolutely needed, my proposal will be to not backport it | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will check with annak if she needs these to be backported | 18:44 |
| tbachman | k | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic py27 error messages and copious logs | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py27 error messages and copious logs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:45 | |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for all the patches on this! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there were a couple of patches posted to address this | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:45 |
| * tbachman still has to review and approve | 18:45 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | one from annak and one which i posted | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yeah thanks, please take a look | 18:46 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think annak is planning another rev on her patch | 18:46 |
| tbachman | k | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are other ones which are not addressed | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:47 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: anything else you wanted to bring up? | 18:47 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: nothing right now | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ok cool, thanks for joining | 18:47 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:47 |
| tbachman | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:47 |
| tbachman | bye! | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 18:47:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-21-18.32.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-21-18.32.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-21-18.32.log.html | 18:47 |
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