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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 14:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek,zxy | 14:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:00 |
| zxy_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| crushil | \o | 14:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:01 |
| gcb | welcome everyone, I'm just back from long vacation :-) | 14:02 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:02 | |
| gcb | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 14:03 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (ه’́⌣’̀ه )／ | 14:03 |
| gcb | jungleboyj: who is _pewp_ ? | 14:03 |
| dims | o/ | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | :-) It is our table flipping bot. | 14:04 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:04 |
| gcb | lol | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | @!h | 14:05 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 14:05 |
| gcb | periodic jobs for trove failed for a long time, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507087/ is trying to fix trove gate issue | 14:05 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:07 | |
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| gcb | #link https://review.openstack.org/510567 | 14:07 |
| gcb | BTW recently, we're preping for the stable/newton EOL http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123088.html | 14:08 |
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| gcb | we have one release for stable/newton now https://review.openstack.org/510462 | 14:09 |
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| gcb | #topic Zuul v3 migration | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul v3 migration (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:10 | |
| gcb | it seems the migration raised some issues for some oslo libraries like oslo.messaging | 14:11 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 14:11 |
| kgiusti | I'm currently working on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510197/ | 14:11 |
| gcb | kgiusti: thanks, I just began to learn zuul v3 from https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq | 14:12 |
| kgiusti | IMHO a big improvement | 14:13 |
| kgiusti | But we've (messaging) have slapped in a few hacks over the years that need to be cleaned up | 14:13 |
| * kgiusti gets his bucket and mop.... | 14:13 | |
| gcb | kgiusti, yeah, we need more work if we have customize jobs | 14:14 |
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| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:17 | |
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| gcb | I'm trying to retire pylockfile in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508652/, but need we end the gate jobs before merging it | 14:19 |
| gcb | background : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/122978.html | 14:19 |
| gcb | any other stuck reviews ? | 14:20 |
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| gcb | okay, let's move on | 14:23 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:23 | |
| kgiusti | Looks like I cannot make sidney :( | 14:23 |
| kgiusti | gcb: so I can't do live from oslo... | 14:24 |
| gcb | kgiusti: I'm sorry to hear that, but it's okay, I will help cover the 20 minutes sessions | 14:24 |
| kgiusti | gcb: thank you | 14:25 |
| dims | gcb, others : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507098/ is ready (http/https check rules as stevedore extensions) | 14:25 |
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| gcb | kgiusti: actually, My visa application was rejected, will try to apply it later :( | 14:26 |
| gcb | dims: ack | 14:26 |
| kgiusti | rejected? :O | 14:26 |
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| dims | ouch :( | 14:28 |
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| gcb | yes, it doesn't matter , will try it later | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:32 |
| gcb | dims: I think we'd better have a release note for the change, others LGTM | 14:32 |
| gcb | hi dhellmann | 14:33 |
| dims | gcb : ack thanks | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | dims : +2 with the anticipation of documentation to come later | 14:35 |
| dims | dhellmann : yep, will file one today | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 14:35 |
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| gcb | dhellmann: is it okay to release stable/newton now like https://review.openstack.org/510462? | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | gcb : I think so, but I'm not sure about the deadlines so we should coordinate with tonyb | 14:38 |
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| gcb | dhellmann: okay, tonyb is not available on IRC now, will ping him later | 14:40 |
| gcb | any other topics ? | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 14:41 |
| bnemec | Sorry, I was in a meeting earlier, but it would be nice to get https://review.openstack.org/509919 in and released. | 14:41 |
| bnemec | It's breaking a couple of other projects right now. | 14:42 |
| dims | bnemec : +2A | 14:42 |
| bnemec | dims: Thanks | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : the test doesn't appear to verify that the 2 contexts are the same | 14:43 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: I was just trying to confirm that all the keys from to_dict are valid parameters to the constructor. | 14:43 |
| gcb | bnemec: feel free to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510567/ when the patch was merged | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : yeah, that's a good test, too | 14:43 |
| bnemec | I can look at that as a followup if we don't already have a round-trip test. | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | bnemec, dims : the other fix would have been to use the existing from_dict() method, which is the supported way of doing this | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | and really, that's what we should do | 14:44 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: I tried that too and it didn't work because these projects have custom attributes on their context classes. | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | then they need custom from_dict() methods | 14:45 |
| bnemec | The built-in from_dict only handles the ones in the base class. | 14:45 |
| dims | removing workflow ... | 14:45 |
| bnemec | They have custom from_dict methods, but they were relying on the 1:1 key:parameter behavior we used to have. | 14:45 |
| dims | ah | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | was that ever formally part of the API? | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | I thought the whole purpose of from_dict() was to reverse to_dict() | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | I guess I'm not clear on what API we're actually trying to support here. If we want __init__ to work with the output of to_dict() we don't need a from_dict() | 14:47 |
| bnemec | I guess that's true. | 14:48 |
| bnemec | Oh, user_identity was a special case too. | 14:48 |
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| bnemec | They added a dummy param on the sub-class constructor to handle that one. | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | we can have the base class from_dict() strip out values like that | 14:48 |
| bnemec | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/46de766e513cfb97cbfc50b001734e02711517e4/designate/context.py#L42 | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | I guess right now it's mostly merging values together, so maybe I'm wrong on what it's intended to be used for | 14:49 |
| bnemec | So initially I was going to just remove the override: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509685/ | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | does to_dict() return all of the values needed to recreate the object? | 14:50 |
| bnemec | But that broke other things, and then I found out there were multiple projects affected and thought it would be nicer to just fix it in oslo.context. | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | sheesh, yeah, that needs to be removed | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | that looks like copypasta from somewhere else | 14:51 |
| bnemec | I don't want to hold up the meeting, maybe we can move this back to openstack-oslo? | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | I have another meeting starting in a couple of minutes, but I think we want to be explicit about the decision about what API we're going to support here. The pragmatic approach may be to take bnemec's patch, but that implies the constructor can never be cleaned up so we need to be sure that's what we want. | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | and yeah, we should discuss in the regular channel or via email | 14:53 |
| gcb | okay, let's move back to openstack-oslo | 14:53 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, it's a good discussion. I've obviously gone back and forth on it already. :-) | 14:53 |
| bnemec | I'll start a -dev thread so we can loop in the people from the other projects. | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good, thanks bnemec | 14:53 |
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| gcb | thanks everyone, let's end the meeting :-) | 14:54 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 14:54:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-10-09-14.00.html | 14:54 |
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| toure | d0ugal are you starting the meeting ? | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | Sure | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | #startmeeting mistral | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 15:02:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| apetrich | is it now that we start highfiving ? | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| apetrich | o/ | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:02 |
| d0ugal | \o | 15:03 |
| toure | o/ | 15:03 |
| bobh | o/ | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | Hey all | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | Who else is here for the mistral meeting? | 15:03 |
| d0ugal | I believe rakhmerov will join us soon | 15:03 |
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| rakhmerov | hi, just 2 mins please | 15:04 |
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| rakhmerov | can you maybe give updates in the mean time? | 15:05 |
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| rakhmerov | what was done, what you're currently doing, plans | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | #chair rakhmerov | 15:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: d0ugal rakhmerov | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | Sure. | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | Please share your statuses. | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | I have been mostly trying to move forward with https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1718353 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718353 in Mistral "The "context" parameter of Action.run() isn't filled properly for asynchronous actions" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | Which is a bug related to a limitation in the design of mistral-lib | 15:06 |
| d0ugal | apetrich, toure, bobh - do you have any statuses to share? | 15:07 |
| bobh | Working on spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510248/ | 15:07 |
| apetrich | so dynamic actions names landed | 15:07 |
| bobh | also a couple of bugs | 15:07 |
| * toure typing status | 15:07 | |
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| d0ugal | apetrich: \o/ | 15:07 |
| thrash | o/ | 15:07 |
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| bobh | and proposal to extract expressions module needs discussion | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | thrash: we are just sharing statuses if you have anything | 15:07 |
| rbrady | o/ | 15:07 |
| d0ugal | thrash: Renat will be joining us shortly. | 15:07 |
| thrash | d0ugal: ack. | 15:07 |
| thrash | d0ugal: just zuulv3 stuff. | 15:08 |
| d0ugal | thrash: :) | 15:08 |
| thrash | d0ugal: which is not so pressing atm considering the rollback | 15:08 |
| d0ugal | bobh: interesting, thanks - I'll have to read that spec. I have not looked at the specs for a while. | 15:08 |
| apetrich | sometime next week I will take time to do some work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-workflow-executions-yaql-function | 15:08 |
| toure | status: working on unit test for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506652/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506653/, still making forward progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455447/ | 15:09 |
| rakhmerov | my status: I keep fixing bugs so that Mistral could work with multiple engine reliably | 15:09 |
| rakhmerov | and struggle with CI | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | reviewed a number of patches too | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: yeah, thanks for doing this | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | appreciate | 15:10 |
| rakhmerov | seems like zuul v3 jobs are mostly running fine for us, right | 15:10 |
| bobh | I also need to check with Winson on the status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455083/ | 15:11 |
| d0ugal | bobh: that would be good, it was very active for a while and then stalled. | 15:11 |
| bobh | d0ugal: we discussed with him at the PTG and agreed on a plan | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: do we still need to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509184/ ? | 15:11 |
| rakhmerov | I remember that similar patches to other repos were reverted by the infra team | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: good luck :) I mean Winson | 15:12 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: :-) | 15:12 |
| rakhmerov | he doesn't talk much to us, but I can try to help with that ) | 15:12 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: yes... I had feedback from the infra team. | 15:12 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: but I need to see what the problem with the failed job is. | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: yeah, he usually does what he's supposed to, he's just a little disconnected from the community | 15:13 |
| thrash | but it looks like it's failing under zv2 and zv3 | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: ok | 15:13 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: W-1 for now | 15:14 |
| rakhmerov | ack | 15:14 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: is there anything that you think is ready for review related to action context? | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | did the release of mistral-lib come out? | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yes, it did - 0.3.0 is released | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: The patches need work, I have some updates locally I am testing | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, ping us once you need something | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but I was going to try and ping you tomorrow morning (my time) with some questions | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | sure, let's do it | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | thanks. | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | bobh, d0ugal: so let's discuss expressions? ) | 15:16 |
| d0ugal | Sure | 15:16 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: great | 15:16 |
| bobh | I had thought of making it a separate library but wasn't sure if that wasn't too big a step | 15:17 |
| bobh | but maybe the right step | 15:17 |
| apetrich | what is the issue? | 15:17 |
| bobh | apetrich: I'd like to be able to use the expressions logic in other applications | 15:17 |
| d0ugal | First we should give some context to everyone else. | 15:17 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah, that is the context basically :) | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | honestly, I'm now kind of confused. I really see that this code would be useful for other projects and sub projects if we moved it to a lib. But I also agree with d0ugal that once we do that we'll have to be maintaining it, documenting and worry about backwards compatibility etc. etc | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | the logic for this is mostly under mistral.expressions | 15:18 |
| bobh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/move-expressions-to-mistral-lib | 15:18 |
| bobh | It is mostly decoupled from mistral itself other than the task, tasks and expressions functions | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | well, btw making a separate lib just for expressions would still mean that we'll have to maintain it etc. ) | 15:19 |
| rakhmerov | it doesn't matter where it is | 15:19 |
| d0ugal | bobh: I think it would be good to clarify exactly what you need - do you also want support for the custom yaql/jinja functions etc.? | 15:19 |
| apetrich | and possibly add in the future other expressions that might not be used in mistral | 15:20 |
| apetrich | ? | 15:20 |
| rakhmerov | yep, good question | 15:20 |
| bobh | d0ugal: yes - the custom functions is useful too | 15:20 |
| bobh | I agree this is a rabbit hole | 15:20 |
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| d0ugal | hmm, it is tricky. | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: so, if you'd like to use the same stuff in your project? | 15:22 |
| d0ugal | I wonder if there is a clear enough scope for a oslo.<thing> project. | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | ..remove "if".. | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ooh, that may be a good idea | 15:22 |
| bobh | Yes - I have a templating scheme that will benefit from the ability to process expressions | 15:22 |
| rakhmerov | however, we'd still need to maintain it unless we convince someone else to | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sure, I am less worried about maintaining it really | 15:23 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: ok | 15:23 |
| bobh | Since I'm the one raising the issue I feel obligated to help with maintaining it | 15:23 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: and you want to use YAQL? I'm asking because lots of people just use pure Jinja 2 | 15:23 |
| bobh | If I just copied the code into my project I'd have to maintain it anyway | 15:23 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I am worried about having to fix bugs in $project and then releasing it before mistral can use it | 15:23 |
| rakhmerov | which is exactly for this purpose, templating | 15:24 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: true | 15:24 |
| rakhmerov | as long as it's small it's fine but if it grows it may become a problem | 15:24 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: I haven't considered just using Jinja - it's a possibility, until there is something that needs the power of YAQL that can't be done in Jinja | 15:25 |
| rakhmerov | that's why we need to review it very very thoroughly before moving something to a lib and move only time and battle proven stuff | 15:25 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: | 15:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:25 |
| bobh | I can take that path for now (Jinja only) and see if we run into any issues | 15:25 |
| d0ugal | Maybe you could write a custom jinja function that calls YAQL, then you can have both :) | 15:26 |
| bobh | d0ugal: that may be the solution :-) | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: so, just one more clarification | 15:26 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: I guess the main thing that's missing for you in Jinja maybe recursive evaluation over arbitrary structures? | 15:26 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: yes, that's probably the biggest difference | 15:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:27 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 15:27 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, that's something that we could really share | 15:27 |
| rakhmerov | and btw, the code is not so big that does that | 15:27 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: we use Jinja in most cases because it's faster, but it's not uncommon to find a case where we need YAQL | 15:27 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: yeah, and, in fact, they are much different | 15:28 |
| rakhmerov | in their nature | 15:28 |
| rakhmerov | strictly speaking, Jinja is not primarily an expression language | 15:28 |
| rakhmerov | it's a templating lang | 15:29 |
| d0ugal | Indeed, the way we use it in Mistral is strange :) | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | whereas YAQL is a pure expression and query languate | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes | 15:29 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: Yes, I just wish YAQL was as fast as Jinja | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | some of our contributors and users wanted it very much so we decided to include it | 15:29 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: did you make any comparisons? | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | I did about 6 months ago and yes, on big structures Jinja was ~3 times faster | 15:30 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: we had a bunch of workflows that were heavily using YAQL and took about 5-6 minutes to run | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:30 |
| bobh | we converted to Jinja and they run in 1-2 minutes | 15:30 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 15:30 |
| bobh | and that's leaving the complex stuff in YAQL so it's a mix - probably 90% Jinja/10% YAQL | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | I know that some performance improvements for YAQL were made a few months ago but I didn't retest after that | 15:31 |
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| rakhmerov | bobh: haha, I see ) | 15:31 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: are you using Mistral Pike? | 15:32 |
| bobh | yes | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | or an older version? | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:32 |
| bobh | I haven't retested on Pike - we were on Ocata at the time I thinkg | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | then all YAQL improvements should be there.. | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, then I'd recommend to retest | 15:32 |
| rakhmerov | you may see better results | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | I actually had a chat with the YAQL author in Atlanta and he explained me why it was slower | 15:33 |
| bobh | ok, I'll give it a try | 15:33 |
| rakhmerov | and soon after that he made necessary changes to speed it up | 15:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:34 |
| bobh | ok, so maybe I should just go with YAQL and skip Jinja :-) | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, bobh: so I'm just thinking what we decided ) | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: if it works for you | 15:35 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: leave it for now and revisit if needed? | 15:35 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: so if we make sure that this expressions code is stable enough would it be ok to move it to mistral-lib? | 15:36 |
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| rakhmerov | so that we know that we won't need to maintain it much | 15:36 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I still think it is a strange place for it to live | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | or it's not your biggest concern? | 15:36 |
| d0ugal | I liked mistral-lib being small and focused, we could tell people that they just needed to use that to extend mistral | 15:36 |
| rakhmerov | strange why? Can you just state it clearly again please? | 15:36 |
| d0ugal | but then we need to tell them this other bit in there is for writing other random projects | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | hm... yes | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | hah.. | 15:37 |
| d0ugal | and where in mistral-lib should it go? | 15:37 |
| bobh | could extend mistral with other expression handlers? | 15:37 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, bobh: now to me it feels a lot like we'd just need to create a totally new open source project and publish it on pypi | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | bobh: I guess, but I think that is just inventing a use-case :) | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | and include into global requirements | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | If you really want to put it in mistral-lib, I wont block it | 15:38 |
| d0ugal | but just prepare for me to moan each time we change it and have to make a new release for mistral to use it :P | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: yes, expression evaluators are now pluggable | 15:38 |
| rakhmerov | we can write something else and easily plug it | 15:39 |
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| bobh | rakhmerov: I agree a separate lib would be nice, minus the overhead, and I'd be willing to take it on if it makes sense to do it that way | 15:39 |
| rakhmerov | well, since we're in the OpenStack community then the logical idea would be oslo umbrella, of course | 15:40 |
| bobh | it could also go in oslo, either as oslo.expressions or just expressions (or whatever) if they will take it | 15:40 |
| bobh | great minds type alike | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | like oslo.utils or something like this | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 15:40 |
| d0ugal | We should raise this idea with the oslo team and see what they think | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes, exactly | 15:40 |
| d0ugal | I am not familiar with how oslo projects are created/managed | 15:40 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: how about writing an email to ML and ask oslo team directly? | 15:40 |
| bobh | sounds like a good plan | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:41 |
| bobh | I'll send it out today | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | this is my #1 candidate for now: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils | 15:41 |
| rakhmerov | if they agree that it's a good place then we won't even need to create any new projects | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | we can just create a new package within this one | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | or a module | 15:42 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: that would be ideal | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | expression_utils.py | 15:42 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: lots of people use oslo.utils, I wonder if they will want to add jinja2 and yaql as requirements. | 15:42 |
| rakhmerov | no, probably a package because we have several things | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | but, anyway.. | 15:43 |
| d0ugal | hah | 15:43 |
| d0ugal | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/blob/master/requirements.txt#L5-L8 | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, damn it.. | 15:43 |
| rakhmerov | haaah.. what Doug wrote though is a pure practical thing to me | 15:44 |
| d0ugal | yeah | 15:44 |
| d0ugal | anyway, I guess an email will clarify this. | 15:45 |
| d0ugal | Then we can take it from there. | 15:45 |
| bobh | sounds good - thanks for the discussion - it's a big help | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's better to ask them directly and hear their feedback | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | having it will allow us to proceed at least' | 15:45 |
| rakhmerov | so do we need anything else? | 15:46 |
| d0ugal | Nothing from me. | 15:46 |
| rakhmerov | #action bobh: write an email to ML about adding expression utils to oslo | 15:46 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: I'd like to get feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510248/ - specifically the name of the new join action | 15:47 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have much more for now, I'm focused on performance and stability now. Again realized that a number of places must be seriously changed to improve overall performance | 15:47 |
| rakhmerov | bobh: yes, I saw it but didn't open yet | 15:48 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: np | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510248/ | 15:48 |
| bobh | rakhmerov: no rush | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | will do | 15:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:49 |
| rakhmerov | so are we done then? | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ? | 15:50 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yup, I'm done :) | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to all | 15:50 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 15:50 |
| rakhmerov | have a good week | 15:50 |
| bobh | thanks! | 15:51 |
| toure | thanks | 15:51 |
| rbrady | thanks | 15:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| dtantsur | hi all! welcome to the most ironic meeting in openstack :) | 17:00 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| mjturek | hey o/ | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic is our agenda | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| baha | o/ | 17:01 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | stendulker: Congrats | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | NobodyCam: Thank you :) | 17:02 |
| rpioso | stendulker: Way to go! | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| dtantsur | #info please welcome stendulker to ironic-core | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | stendulker: welcome :) | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | congrats stendulker ! :) | 17:02 |
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| etingof | stendulker o/ | 17:02 |
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| fellypefca | stendulker congrats :) o/ | 17:03 |
| mjturek | congrats +1! | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | we're back to 8 cores, great :) | 17:03 |
| stendulker | Thank you all :) | 17:03 |
| * johnthetubaguy a thank you nod aimed at stendulker | 17:03 | |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:03 |
| anupn | stendulker, congrats | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | congrats stendulker | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | We try to only have 2^N number of cores ;) | 17:03 |
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| milan | stendulker, congrats! :) | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Makes hyper-threading easier ... | 17:04 |
| stendulker | Thank you TheJulia, anupn , johnthetubaguy | 17:04 |
| stendulker | Thank you milan :) | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | hyper-merging :D | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #info ironic-inspector subteam virtual meetup planning: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123239.html | 17:04 |
| milan | lol hyperviewing ;) | 17:04 |
| milan | dtantsur +1 ;) | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | we'll be mostly talking about future ironic-inspector architecture, but also about introspection rules, etc | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | it may happen even this week - please vote on the doodle | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | #info Queens-1 next week | 17:05 |
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| dtantsur | I still hope to release stuff by that time; what happens to ironic CI is blocking us, but ironicclient can still get released | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | And a big thank you to vsaienk0 for figuring out the gate issue with multi-node jobs. At least narrowing it down to the offending devstack patch. | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | IIRC only ironic itself is broken now | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | and yes, vsaienk0 rocks :) | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | +1!! | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | let's maybe aim for vdrok's ironicclient patch + rloo's ironic CLI deprecation | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | anything else to announce/remind of? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | oh | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | #info Newton is EOL this week or slightly later | 17:07 |
| pas-ha | IYDM +my patch related to Apache to ironicclient | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: link? | 17:08 |
| pas-ha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509851/ | 17:08 |
| pas-ha | breaks ironic inspector when ironic is on Apache o_O | 17:09 |
| pas-ha | the bug that is | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509851/ an important fix to get in ironicclient release | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | So I assume that we will add some of these to the week's priorities section? | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | I'd like to | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | because for ironic we can only put there "fix the gate" :) | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review action items from previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:10 | |
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| dtantsur | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-10-02-17.00.html | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | mjturek: any news about bugs? | 17:11 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: nothing specific, just did some categorizing | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | great! any trends, anything to fix more or less soon? | 17:12 |
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| mjturek | not that I've noticed, I as usual have notes here. Planning on doing more today https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-triage | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | ack, thanks mjturek | 17:13 |
| mjturek | I did find one high priority, but mostly because it's a known queens priority :) | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | mjturek: which one do you mean? | 17:14 |
| mjturek | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1722194 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1722194 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow Traits to be set on Nodes " [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt) | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard statuses start with line 193 | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | ah, right | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | stendulker: re rescue, the patch doesn't have a +2.. | 17:15 |
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| stendulker | dtantsur: yes, lost it in rebase | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha: which of the 2 specs we're going to implement in the graphical console section? could you please leave one? | 17:16 |
| stendulker | dtantsur: will update the status | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | stendulker: ack thanks | 17:17 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: The first one (the basic abstract interface) | 17:17 |
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| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, re py3.5, is zuulv3 transitioning on infra side complete? | 17:17 |
| pas-ha | Nisha_Agarwal: it was reverted | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: nope; it was even partly reverted | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | in a sense that zuul still runs on patches, but the old jenkins is voting | 17:18 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, pas-ha ok. but we cant add any experimental gates in old jenkins... | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | why? | 17:19 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | in zuulv3 all the current gates are named as "legacy_*" | 17:19 |
| pas-ha | not sure, you could try asking the infra team | 17:19 |
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| pas-ha | zuulv2 is running and voting again | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Well they didn't want to make changes to project-config unless absolutely necessary. I think. | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ah, I see | 17:20 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, check the comment on https://review.openstack.org/462695 | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | Nisha_Agarwal: I think it's reasonable to wait with this work, until they're done with zuul v3 | 17:20 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, ok | 17:20 |
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| jlvillal | This email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123049.html said the project-config repo is frozen. Not sure if they unfroze it or not. | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | 3rd paragraph | 17:21 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | jlvillal, true. Andreas mention same thing in the patch too | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | yeah, let's just wait with it | 17:22 |
| Nisha_Agarwal | dtantsur, ack | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | are folks done with the statuses? there're not so many of them so far.. | 17:23 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:24 |
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| dtantsur | your favourite part ;) | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | we still cannot put much of ironic there | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | let's maybe throw ironicclient changes in? | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Sounds good to me | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | rpioso: do you still need the idrac patch there? | 17:26 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: Perhaps. Let's chat a bit more about it in channel. | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | mmm, ok, I thought we did discuss it :) | 17:27 |
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| dtantsur | okie, we have one spec and 3 ironicclient patches. how is it looking? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | vdrok: will you able to continue with your ironicclient patch this week? | 17:29 |
| rpioso | dtantsur: I would like to ensure we're all on the same page about why that new lib version is needed. Also, the author/submitter, cdearborn, is out on vacation today. | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | ack | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | moving on? I have seen only one vote on the priorities ;) | 17:31 |
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| * dtantsur will add activity on the meeting to stackalytics :D | 17:31 | |
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| jlvillal | Priorities list looks good to me. Thanks. | 17:32 |
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| pas-ha | +1 | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | we need a victim :) | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | mjturek: did you say you plan on doing more of bugs? :) | 17:33 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: yeah, I can volunteer again :) | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | it looks like nobody else does :) thanks mjturek | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | #action mjturek to continue his heroic effort to clean up the bugs list | 17:34 |
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| jlvillal | Is he allowed to close bugs older than X number of months/years ? | 17:35 |
| mjturek | lolol | 17:35 |
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| dtantsur | jlvillal: I think one day we decided that bugs older than 1 year can be closed, if they are not obviously valid still | 17:35 |
| mgoddard | o/ | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | Cool | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | a wild mgoddard appears :D | 17:35 |
| mjturek | dtantsur: haven't been doing that! I will start though unless there are objections | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | mjturek: we cannot keep ancient bugs forever.. | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | as a data point: tripleo auto-closes bugs after 6 months | 17:36 |
| jlvillal | +1 on closing old bugs, if no activity | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | ditto for old patches with negative feedback and no updates | 17:36 |
| mjturek | understood! will do | 17:36 |
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| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | mgoddard: sounds awesome :) | 17:37 |
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| mgoddard | not proposing it as a topic for discussion :) | 17:37 |
| milan | wow! congrats mgoddard I guess! :D | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ on the congrats to mgoddard, and a welcome back :) | 17:38 |
| rpioso | mgoddard: Congrats! | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | mgoddard: not the worst topic, especially since we don't seem to have other :D yeah, congrats | 17:38 |
| stendulker | Congrats mgoddard :) | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | should we wrap up on this positive note? | 17:38 |
| mgoddard | thanks folks! | 17:38 |
| milan | dtantsur, ++ :D | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | wrapping up in 1 minutes, unless anybody raises a hand | 17:39 |
| * jlvillal keeps his hand down... | 17:39 | |
| milan | rloo would say crickets ;) | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | o\ | 17:39 |
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| dtantsur | milan: I never remember how it is spelled :D | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | thanks all! | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 17:40:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-10-09-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| milan | o/ | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-10-09-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-10-09-17.00.log.html | 17:40 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 20:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 20:00 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 20:02 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ･ω･)ﾉ | 20:02 |
| spotz | \o/ | 20:02 |
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| ildikov | hi :) | 20:03 |
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| ildikov | let's see who else I can hunt down for a quick meeting :) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | ok let's start | 20:05 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:05 | |
| ildikov | we had Upstream Institute office hours during OpenStack Days UK two weeks ago | 20:05 |
| ildikov | it went well overall | 20:05 |
| jungleboyj | Good. | 20:06 |
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| ildikov | we didn't have a huge crowd, but those who came had questions and were interested in either learning more about OpenStack and/or contributing | 20:06 |
| ildikov | so I think it was overall successful | 20:06 |
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| spotz | Cool | 20:07 |
| ildikov | I mentioned that tagging process last week, but I think both of you are well aware of that | 20:07 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. | 20:07 |
| ildikov | ok, let's move on then | 20:08 |
| ildikov | #topic Upcoming events | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upcoming events (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 20:08 | |
| ildikov | we have a one day long training in Copenhagen next week | 20:08 |
| ildikov | if you know anyone in the area who would like to come and help out please point them to the wiki and diablo_rojo and me :) | 20:08 |
| ildikov | and we have the regular training in Sydney | 20:09 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 20:09 |
| jungleboyj | Looking forward to that. | 20:09 |
| spotz | *pokes jungleboyj* Go sign up | 20:09 |
| ildikov | just wanted to say that please sign up here: | 20:10 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute_Occasions | 20:10 |
| ildikov | so we have an idea on who's coming :) | 20:10 |
| ildikov | we don't have a ton of registrations as of yet | 20:10 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, I thought I had. Doing that now. | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, how many? | 20:10 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: 18 | 20:11 |
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| ildikov | we're trying to reach out to locals and also students | 20:11 |
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| ildikov | I hope it will bring up the numbers a little | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we should send something to the ML telling people to communicate to their companies that this is a good opportunity for people to get started? | 20:12 |
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| spotz | and figure some one show up | 20:13 |
| jungleboyj | More communication never hurts. | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, +1 | 20:13 |
| ildikov | well, that's an option, I don't think it will help that much though, especially that we're pretty close now | 20:13 |
| diablo_rojo | We should also emphasize the dates. | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe we can get Anne to do some tweets about it? | 20:14 |
| * diablo_rojo hasn't seen any yet but may be missing them if there have been | 20:14 | |
| ildikov | yep, dates are important, there are always people, who get confused | 20:14 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I asked her last week | 20:14 |
| spotz | I saw outreachy, I need to tweet git and gerrit too | 20:14 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: also Sonia to reach out to locals, will ask again | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, oh nice, maybe they just haven't started yet. And cool, hopefully Sonia can drum up some interest too. | 20:16 |
| ildikov | also if any of you feel like Tweeting about the upcoming occasions, etc please do so! :) | 20:16 |
| spotz | WIll do ildikov | 20:17 |
| ildikov | spotz: thanks! | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I will retweet when I see them :) | 20:17 |
| spotz | hehehe | 20:17 |
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| ildikov | ok, I think we can move on | 20:18 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I'm good at that too :) | 20:18 |
| ildikov | #topic Prep for Sydney | 20:18 |
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| spotz | I still owe the woo list an email so need to do that tonight first | 20:18 |
| ildikov | so we should go through the material and see what needs to get cleaned up | 20:18 |
| ildikov | spotz: don't get me started on mails ;) | 20:18 |
| spotz | ildikov: Has a complete run been done since Boston, or only a tagged version? | 20:19 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, I have a todo to get the OpenStack Status and Zuul stuff reworked. Haven't forgotten. | 20:19 |
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| ildikov | we are getting close to have the first version of the Contributor Portal up, but that's not a target for Sydney | 20:19 |
| * smcginnis sneaks in very late | 20:19 | |
| jungleboyj | spotz: I went through it internally. | 20:19 |
| ildikov | spotz: we had only the office hours, no training | 20:19 |
| spotz | Ok jungleboyj that makes you the most recent user, thoughts for clean up? | 20:20 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: I knew you had a TODO on something :) | 20:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Well, other than the section I have a to-do on, it was received pretty well. | 20:20 |
| ildikov | I think I wanted to clean up the registration and accounts one to reflect the recent changes, but I'm not sure I've actually done that | 20:21 |
| spotz | Ugh I had just redone those for Boston! | 20:21 |
| spotz | Poor Stacky McStackface..already out of date | 20:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: we don't require Foundation membership now for contribution | 20:22 |
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| ildikov | but no big updates there | 20:24 |
| ildikov | so it seems that we are mainly good with the content | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank goodness. | 20:25 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: do you also use all the exercises? | 20:25 |
| * diablo_rojo doesn't have a ton of time to help fix things if there were | 20:25 | |
| ildikov | we could give some thought on how to run them better | 20:25 |
| ildikov | with diablo_rojo and our design team we are also trying to get stickers for the occasion | 20:25 |
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| ildikov | need to double check with Wes | 20:26 |
| smcginnis | Maybe spotz can score some more cool github stickers. :) | 20:26 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, I think he said he could do table tents too, not sure where all that is currently | 20:26 |
| jungleboyj | I used some of them. It was hard, however, with the students being in China. | 20:26 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1, I like OctoCat :) | 20:26 |
| spotz | smcginnis: Thanks for the reminder:) Git and Gerrit is back on the sched:) | 20:26 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: me neither | 20:26 |
| smcginnis | Those were pretty cool. And gone in minutes. | 20:27 |
| smcginnis | spotz: If they have a CoffeeCat, we need to set that aside for ildikov. | 20:27 |
| smcginnis | CoffeeOctoCat | 20:27 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: lol, +1 :) | 20:27 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: if they don't, they should!!! | 20:27 |
| smcginnis | They have everything else. :) | 20:28 |
| spotz | smcginnis: WIll do, I'll get cheat sheets and stickers for 75 between upstream institute and git and gerrit? | 20:28 |
| smcginnis | spotz: That would be cool. A little extra incentive to attend. ;;) | 20:29 |
| ildikov | spotz: awesomeness :) | 20:29 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, yes please!! | 20:29 |
| spotz | request made:) | 20:30 |
| ildikov | spotz: thank you :) | 20:30 |
| spotz | ildikov: You're welcome. They;ve never turned me down so... :) | 20:30 |
| spotz | And if anyone is free for Lunch on Wednesday:) | 20:30 |
| ildikov | spotz: :) | 20:30 |
| ildikov | spotz: I will add it to my calendar | 20:31 |
| spotz | Just gonna do basics as it didn't get on the schedule this late, help folks get signed up and and installed. If we get farther great:) | 20:31 |
| ildikov | spotz: I might have a collision though, don't know yet | 20:31 |
| ildikov | basics are always good :) | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, I'll be there if I can too :) | 20:33 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann, gcb: that shoudl be fine. It's a little late but still in my comfort zone | 20:33 |
| spotz | yes they are. But I like the idea of Upstream Institiute stickers... we should get our own mascot! | 20:34 |
| spotz | tonyb: wrong channel, but I'll be able to pay you back that drink:) | 20:34 |
| ildikov | spotz: yep :) | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | Is the Wednesday lunch like the one in Boston? | 20:34 |
| tonyb | :( | 20:34 |
| spotz | smcginnis: Yeah | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | Cool, I will try to be there. | 20:35 |
| spotz | though last minute and probably more disorganized:) | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | Gotta keep the status quo. ;) | 20:35 |
| jungleboyj | And I am planning to be there. | 20:35 |
| spotz | :) | 20:36 |
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| ildikov | ok, looks like we're kinda set for Sydney | 20:37 |
| ildikov | besides some small updates | 20:37 |
| ildikov | let's figure out how to do exercises better, especially if we will have stickers this time | 20:38 |
| spotz | ildikov: Depending we may be able to photshop without having to create yet another user | 20:38 |
| ildikov | I will create an etherpad with the modules, please sign up for presenting/leading them | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, thank you :) | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | And will do | 20:38 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Will do. | 20:39 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, need to figure out how to make the exercises go better. Hopefully waiting to get them a development environment will help keep them focused? | 20:39 |
| ildikov | spotz: :) | 20:39 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: we will give it to them at the end of the first day | 20:40 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: not any sooner | 20:40 |
| spotz | It should help, and rewards and getting folks to interact will help | 20:40 |
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| ildikov | so we need to figure out IRC | 20:40 |
| ildikov | spotz: +1 | 20:40 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:40 |
| spotz | Well it stands for Internet Relay Chat...... | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Can focus on etherpads for answering day one and irc for answering day 2 | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | that way they get to know two of the main sources of communication? - besides the ML | 20:41 |
| ildikov | spotz: :P | 20:41 |
| spotz | ooohhhh what if we have a competition for people to figure out each others nicks? Maybe not everyones but at least 1 person | 20:41 |
| ildikov | I meant that if they don't have the VM image with the client, then we need alternatives | 20:41 |
| spotz | limechat, webchat? | 20:42 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: yep, that should work too, at least I didn't create the etherpads for nothing :D | 20:42 |
| ildikov | spotz: earlier we were worrying about limitations on connections at least for Webchat IIRC | 20:43 |
| spotz | hrm | 20:43 |
| ildikov | I'm happy if that's not the case :) | 20:43 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, etherpads for the first day are fine. Teaches them about one of our forms of communication. | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, like what happened at the PTG? | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, lol that's basically what I said. | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | Webchat might actually be the best. For those at overly security conscious employers, sometimes that's the only option. | 20:45 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, yeah. :-) | 20:45 |
| spotz | What happened at the PTG?!!!!! | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | Could be slightly confusing if they learn something, then go back home and can't figure out why it doesn't work there. | 20:45 |
| ildikov | IRCCloud :) | 20:45 |
| smcginnis | What happens at the PTG, stays at the PTG. | 20:45 |
| spotz | But but I had to go to LA for Open Source Summit!!!! | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | spotz: Wish I could have done both! | 20:46 |
| ildikov | I should tell them that I want some percentage on their sales, I advertise them so much... :) | 20:46 |
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| spotz | smcginnis: Me too:( | 20:46 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: sort of :) | 20:46 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: It is good stuff. | 20:48 |
| ildikov | :) | 20:48 |
| ildikov | BTW, kmARC is still working on the VM image, he faced with some RabbitMQ issues last week | 20:49 |
| ildikov | I hope it gets fixed soon so we can test it before the training | 20:49 |
| ildikov | if not, the training will be even more interesting for those who attend :) | 20:49 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: It wouldn't be training without image excitement. | 20:50 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: true :) | 20:51 |
| ildikov | #topic Open discussion | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | I think we were partially there anyway :) | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | so home work is to figure out a good way to execute on the exercises | 20:52 |
| ildikov | #action jungleboyj and ildikov to do updates on Zuul and accounts | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | I think part of it is to better time box things. Not wander off into individual conversations. | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: ++ | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | Set up a timer for exercises and give out stickers. See if it keeps people engaged and moving. | 20:53 |
| ildikov | #action everyone to sign up for modules to present at the training, ildikov to send the etherpad for that | 20:53 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: yep, we can still have Q&A after the exercise | 20:54 |
| ildikov | anything else for the last 5 minutes? | 20:55 |
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| diablo_rojo | I got nothing | 20:56 |
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| jungleboyj | Nothing here. | 20:57 |
| ildikov | ok, then thanks everyone for today! | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thanks! | 20:57 |
| ildikov | it was great to have a meeting again finally :) | 20:57 |
| ildikov | have a good rest of the day! | 20:57 |
| jungleboyj | You too. | 20:57 |
| ildikov | see you on the channel and here two weeks from today! | 20:57 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 20:57:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-10-09-20.00.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-10-09-20.00.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-10-09-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
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