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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 12:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis? | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | no real controversies, and just me, so ending now | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 12:05:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-11-15-12.00.html | 12:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-11-15-12.00.txt | 12:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-11-15-12.00.log.html | 12:06 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 16:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge markvoelker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:00 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:00 |
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| georgk | hi | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.20 | 16:01 |
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| eglute | Hello Everyone! It has been a while since the last meeting! | 16:01 |
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| eglute | Please update agenda as needed | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:02 |
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| eglute | #topic OpenStack Summit Sydney | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit Sydney (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:02 | |
| eglute | I was not able to go- could someone summarize interop sessions? | 16:02 |
| eglute | hogepodge or markvoelker? | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-interop-working-group Sydney etherpad | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | The interop session wasn't strongly attended, markvoelker gave a presentation about how the program works | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | Additionally we talked a bit with georgk about NFV scoring and how things were going over in OPNFV | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | After reviewing the existing products in the marketplace, there are only two OpenStack Powered Storage products, one that hasn't been updated and one that is in maintenance mode. | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | I've been floating the idea of cancelling the OpenStack Powered Storage program, since there isn't a tremendous interest in it, or reassessing it as a new vertical program that doesn't have a strong dependency on Keystone. | 16:05 |
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| eglute | hogepodge interesting. it is still needed for openstack powered anyways, right? | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | Yes, but it's a component for Powered Platform, much like Cinder and Neutron are | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | We could propose removing it from OpenStack Powered Platform as well, but consensus (anecdotal) seemed to be that we thought it made sense to leave it there. | 16:07 |
| eglute | i think moving it to a vertical sounds reasonable | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | OpenStack Powered Platform and OpenStack Powered Compute would remain the same. | 16:08 |
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| eglute | the new marketplace is very confusing to navigate | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | Unless the market changes, there will be zero OpenStack Powered Storage products in the Marketplace within a year. | 16:10 |
| eglute | hogepodge can you link to the two that have powered storage? | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | #link https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/distribution/ibm/ibm-spectrum-scale-for-object-storage | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | #link https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/distribution/swiftstack-inc/swiftstack-object-storage-platform | 16:11 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | Just thinking through the mechanics a bit here: if we were to propose removing that mark, what would we need to do? | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | I'd think a patch to the json file and a new one for a storage vertical? | 16:12 |
| eglute | i think we would need to announce it as deprecated and get board's approval | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | Yes, and approval by the board. We should give them notice if we want to pursue it | 16:13 |
| eglute | if we move it vertical, would anything change besides a name? | 16:13 |
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| hogepodge | I don't know. | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | New territory. | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | eglute: Well, one topic of discussion was that we could potentially remove the Keystone requirements | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | E.g. use Swift and no other part of OpenStack | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | (which is not an uncommon usecase) | 16:15 |
| eglute | do you think we would get more people certifying that way? | 16:15 |
| eglute | also, as a vertical, would this open for "openstack storage with ceph"? | 16:15 |
| eglute | or similar name? | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | I doubt the Board would approve a trademark program based on code we don't own, so likely not. | 16:16 |
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| eglute | markvoelker i was thinking similar to NFV | 16:17 |
| eglute | but i think this case is different | 16:17 |
| eglute | and you are right, board would not approve anything with a trademark we dont own | 16:17 |
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| eglute | Ok, so I think we want to give the board a heads up about the change, either vertical or removal | 16:21 |
| eglute | i think vertical is more reasonable | 16:21 |
| eglute | any other comments on this? | 16:22 |
| markvoelker_ | Are we generally agreed on the idea of pursuing this? I think we are, just didn't want to assume. =) | 16:23 |
| markvoelker_ | I can take a look at the changes needed to the json files this week if so; I have a couple of other patches I'm working on anyway. | 16:23 |
| markvoelker_ | That might give us something concrete to propose when we notify the BoD./ | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | Yes. | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | My timing for getting a lot of this ready by January for the next BoD meeting is going to be really strained, though. | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | I have high priority work items to finish this month that aren't interop, then KubeCon, then taking a much needed vacation for the rest of January. | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | Rest of December that is, returning in January. | 16:25 |
| markvoelker_ | Oh right...next week is a US holiday too. Ok, so that gives us a little breathing room I suppose. | 16:25 |
| eglute | i think we may not need a lot for this | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | Which brings up my next point (kind of out of order on the agenda), do we absolutely need to make our major updates to the board in January, or can we defer them? | 16:26 |
| eglute | hogepodge it is up to us. we can wait till next meeting. | 16:26 |
| eglute | we do have something in our rules that have a rough timeline | 16:26 |
| eglute | but we could change it | 16:27 |
| eglute | i think there will be in person BOD meeting in February | 16:27 |
| eglute | i think that works too | 16:27 |
| eglute | it is probably better because it gives new board members to familiarize with the WG and also discuss it in person rather than over the phone | 16:28 |
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| eglute | I think it would be really good to send out an email to dev and interop MLs discussing the possible change and solicit feedback | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | I don't want to throw everything off because of my personal schedule, I just know that I'll have almost no time to devote to getting ready for the January meeting with my current workload and plans. It should be a group decision though. | 16:29 |
| eglute | hogepodge i think most of us will be either busy or on vacation in december | 16:29 |
| eglute | i am off 3 for 3 weeks in december | 16:29 |
| markvoelker_ | I can go either way...I think I'm done traveling for the year, so in spite of some vacation time my availability should actually increase. =) | 16:30 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ that sounds good :) I vote to move the next guideline approval to February | 16:31 |
| eglute | any comments? if not, we can move forward | 16:33 |
| markvoelker_ | Sounds ok to me then. | 16:33 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker_ | 16:33 |
| markvoelker_ | #agreed Move guideline approval to February | 16:33 |
| eglute | anything else from Sydney? | 16:33 |
| markvoelker_ | #agreed begin investigating deprecation of OSPS mark (markvoelker to work on json patches) | 16:34 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker_ | 16:34 |
| eglute | if nothing else regarding Sydney, next topic | 16:35 |
| eglute | #topic Meeting next week | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting next week (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:35 | |
| eglute | I propose no meeting next week | 16:35 |
| eglute | since it is a day before US Thanksgiving | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | second | 16:36 |
| markvoelker_ | ++, I'll be away from internet access anyway | 16:36 |
| eglute | #agreed no meeting next week | 16:36 |
| eglute | #topic Need to pick new cycle name, current was "Vertigo" | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Need to pick new cycle name, current was "Vertigo" (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:36 | |
| eglute | we can keep vertigo or pick a new one | 16:37 |
| eglute | i would like to come back to this one | 16:37 |
| eglute | please enter your suggestions while we discuss the rest of the agenda | 16:37 |
| eglute | #topic Vertical Program Update | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vertical Program Update (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:37 | |
| markvoelker_ | Sure, how about we make a note for folks to throw suggestions into the etherpad and we'll vote after the Thanksgiving break? | 16:38 |
| eglute | thank you georgk for submitting the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519732/ | 16:38 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ sounds good! | 16:38 |
| eglute | #action everyone please suggest new names in etherpad for interop wg cycle name. This should be something fun :D | 16:38 |
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| eglute | georgk are you around? | 16:39 |
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| georgk | yes, I am here | 16:39 |
| georgk | sorry | 16:39 |
| eglute | Excellent! | 16:39 |
| eglute | thank you for submitting the patch | 16:39 |
| eglute | there are some items that need discussing in your scoring | 16:39 |
| georgk | please have a look, it is my first attempt at scoring | 16:40 |
| georgk | there are still two questionmarks in teh scoring sheet: the proximity criterion | 16:40 |
| eglute | can you discuss them | 16:40 |
| markvoelker_ | Since we've broadly grouped these as CRUD for the first pass, it does get a bit confusing. =) Let me see if I can clarify: | 16:41 |
| georgk | my question is basically how to interpret this criterion: I tend to score it with a 1 based on my understanding that this trunk port functionality is releated to the generic port functionality of Neutron | 16:41 |
| georgk | so, scoring it with 1 because of this relationship | 16:42 |
| markvoelker_ | Many moons ago when we did the scoring we'd consider each part of CRUD individually: e.g. we'd have one line in the sheet for create, another for read, etc. | 16:42 |
| georgk | please let me know if that interpretation makes sense | 16:42 |
| markvoelker_ | So those capabilities would all be considered "promiximate" to one another (because why have a create capability if you can't also read and delete the thing?). | 16:42 |
| georgk | ah, ok | 16:43 |
| markvoelker_ | So in this case, I think it's fine to score those as 1 for proximate | 16:43 |
| georgk | it is about relationships between operations, not the features | 16:43 |
| georgk | got it | 16:43 |
| georgk | ok, I agree and score them with 1 then | 16:44 |
| markvoelker_ | ++, any other comments on that? | 16:44 |
| georgk | I am still doing a bit more research regarding the ¨widely deployed¨ criterion | 16:44 |
| georgk | it is a bit tricky to find out who is supporting this in commercial products | 16:45 |
| eglute | georgk use your best judgement, at least for now. we have community review for people to tell us that we scored something wrong | 16:45 |
| georgk | eglute: ok, will do | 16:46 |
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| eglute | also i think it would be helpful if you started listing the tests that would go under each capability | 16:47 |
| eglute | because if there are no tests, we cant include them | 16:47 |
| georgk | yes, absolutely | 16:48 |
| georgk | I checked the tests already and we shoudl be covered | 16:48 |
| eglute | excellent! | 16:49 |
| georgk | I can create an initial nfv guideline and list the tests there | 16:49 |
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| eglute | georgk yes that would be very helpful | 16:49 |
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| georgk | sure | 16:49 |
| eglute | are there any other comments besides the need for everyone to review? | 16:50 |
| eglute | #action everyone please review and comment patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519732/ | 16:51 |
| eglute | anything else on verticals? | 16:51 |
| eglute | #topic Microversions | 16:52 |
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| eglute | hogepodge i assume no updates on this, correct? | 16:52 |
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| hogepodge | correct | 16:52 |
| eglute | #topic Scoring 2018.02 guideline | 16:52 |
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| eglute | i think we are just missing neutron for this one | 16:52 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ have you had a chance to look? | 16:53 |
| markvoelker_ | Not since Sydney. =) But I can finish it up this week now that I'm back. | 16:53 |
| eglute | excellent thank you markvoelker_ | 16:53 |
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| eglute | mguiney luzC had a question regarding cinder | 16:54 |
| eglute | "LuzC - question to mguiney: Is she refactoring cinder V2/V3 in next.json to reflect the tempest changes (See full comment on this patch set 1)? " | 16:54 |
| eglute | i think i may have merged it too early | 16:55 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509337/ | 16:55 |
| mguiney | yeah, was wondering about that | 16:56 |
| eglute | mguiney can you please review and submit a new patch if needed? | 16:56 |
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| mguiney | I can refactor, of course | 16:56 |
| mguiney | That completely slipped my mind, apologies | 16:57 |
| eglute | that would be great, thank you mguiney | 16:57 |
| eglute | mguiney no worries. we have skipped a lot of meetings lately | 16:57 |
| eglute | almost out of time, but last question | 16:57 |
| eglute | #topic Add ons | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add ons (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:57 | |
| eglute | do the add-on programs need the TC flag? | 16:58 |
| eglute | i think we have that for the other official capabilities | 16:58 |
| markvoelker_ | You mean the tc-approved-release tag? I'd say not. | 16:59 |
| eglute | yes! | 16:59 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker_ | 16:59 |
| eglute | makes sense to me | 16:59 |
| eglute | though i think add-on projects would like to see them, | 16:59 |
| markvoelker_ | (actually I guess it's tc:approved-release now since they changed it) | 16:59 |
| eglute | out of time, | 17:00 |
| eglute | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 17:00:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-11-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-11-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-11-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| markvoelker_ | Happy Thanksgiving! | 17:00 |
| eglute | thanks you too! | 17:00 |
| mguiney | have a good week and a good holiday, y'all! | 17:01 |
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| ying_zuo | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 20:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ying_zuo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| ying_zuo | Hi everyone o/ | 20:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | pretty quiet today | 20:02 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | well, Thanksgiving is next week | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Notices | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:03 | |
| ying_zuo | #info User feedback from the Sydney summit | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-queens-feedback | 20:03 |
| ying_zuo | most of them are performance issues | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | if you are working on the related tickets or interested to tackle some of them, please add the ticket to the launchpad | 20:04 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: that's what we're working on | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/horizon-project-update | 20:04 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: ok, will do | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | that's the link to the recording of the project update session for those who missed it | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | thanks e0ne | 20:06 |
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| e0ne | np | 20:06 |
| ying_zuo | #info Stable pike release | 20:06 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://review.openstack.org/519973 | 20:06 |
| ying_zuo | a new release of stable pike will be available when this is merged | 20:06 |
| ying_zuo | #info Bug reports review | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-bug-review | 20:07 |
| * e0ne still has some assigned bugs from that list:( | 20:07 | |
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| ying_zuo | we have been reviewing tickets in the past meetings | 20:07 |
| e0ne | I hope, I'll propose few patches before next meeting | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | thanks | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | I checked the backlog yesterday and most of the tickets will need to be looked into before we can discuss further | 20:08 |
| ying_zuo | if anyone wants to discuss about some bug reports, we can do that in the open discussion session | 20:09 |
| ying_zuo | and feel free to add any topics that you want to discuss on the meeting agenda | 20:09 |
| ying_zuo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:09 |
| ying_zuo | we will go through those topics before the open discussion | 20:10 |
| ying_zuo | #info No meeting next week | 20:10 |
| ying_zuo | Happy Thanksgiving and safe travels :) | 20:10 |
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| ying_zuo | #topic Fetch resources in parallel discussion (e0ne) | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fetch resources in parallel discussion (e0ne) (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:11 | |
| e0ne | I think we can move it to next week | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | you mean in two weeks? | 20:11 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: I would like to get some feedback from from you and robcresswell | 20:11 |
| e0ne | yes | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | sure | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | I think robcresswell is on PTO this week | 20:12 |
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| ying_zuo | alright. I will keep it on the agenda for the next meeting | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Open Discussion | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:13 | |
| e0ne | do you have any info about paging implementation for images panel? | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | anything specific? | 20:14 |
| e0ne | it looks like not implemented at all( | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | I worked on a patch for that | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | let me check | 20:14 |
| e0ne | I didn't find any blueprint or bug | 20:14 |
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| ying_zuo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219822/ | 20:15 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: great, thanks a lot! | 20:16 |
| e0ne | I'll test it and provide my feedback asap | 20:16 |
| ying_zuo | thanks | 20:16 |
| ying_zuo | are you working on a ticket? | 20:17 |
| e0ne | I really want to get this feature implemented | 20:17 |
| e0ne | I've got such requirement from our customers | 20:17 |
| e0ne | so, I wanted to check if somebody already works on this | 20:18 |
| ying_zuo | hopefully this is it | 20:18 |
| e0ne | I'll check it | 20:18 |
| e0ne | looks like it's what we need :) | 20:18 |
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| ying_zuo | cool :) | 20:19 |
| ying_zuo | anything else from anyone? | 20:19 |
| e0ne | one more from my side) | 20:19 |
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| e0ne | ying_zuo: thanks for reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518965/. My colleague with me do first steps in angular world. I appreciate if you can look on that patch once more and provide any feedback | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | will do | 20:21 |
| e0ne | thanks! | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | :) | 20:21 |
| ying_zuo | I think that's it for this meeting | 20:23 |
| ying_zuo | thanks for attending | 20:23 |
| e0ne | you're welcome | 20:23 |
| ying_zuo | Happy Thanksgiving and talk to you in two weeks | 20:24 |
| e0ne | see you on next meeting | 20:24 |
| ying_zuo | #endmeeting | 20:24 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-11-15-20.00.html | 20:24 |
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