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d0ugal#startmeeting Mistral15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  4 15:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is d0ugal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'mistral'15:00
d0ugalHey - anyone around for the Mistral meeting this week?15:00
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bobho/15:04
d0ugalHey bobh15:04
d0ugalbobh: Nobody else has joined, so I was just about to cancel the meeting :)15:04
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bobhdobson: lol - ok - guess I didn't miss anything15:05
bobhd0ugal: sorry15:05
d0ugalbobh: no, nothing :)15:05
bobhd0ugal: one quick question15:05
d0ugalbobh: do you have anything you want to discuss?15:05
d0ugalSure15:05
bobhd0ugal: I ran into an issue with adhoc actions that need an action_context in the base action - appears to be broken15:05
bobhthere was a bug opened last year that claimed to be fixed but I added a test that fails so looks like it's not15:06
bobhjust wondering if it's a known issue?15:06
d0ugalbobh: Do you have a link to the bug?15:06
bobhd0ugal: one sec15:06
bobhhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/156890915:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1568909 in Mistral "execution of ad-hoc actions based on std.mistral_http always fails" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov)15:08
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apetricho/15:10
d0ugalapetrich: Hey15:10
apetrichsorry my calendar is still with the wrong time for this meeting15:10
d0ugalbobh: reading :)15:11
apetrichme 215:11
bobhd0ugal: np - it took a bit of digging15:11
thrasho/15:11
d0ugalapetrich: in Google calendar you can set it to GMT without daylight savings.15:11
d0ugalbobh: right, I understand now15:12
d0ugalbobh: that action is weird, it has a special case, so I am not that surprised it is broken with ad-hoc actions :)15:13
bobhd0ugal: that figures15:14
bobhd0ugal: I tried injecting the action_context in the prepare_inputs of AdHocAction but then validation failed with an unexpected input15:14
d0ugalbobh: the patch that claims to have fixed it is a huge refactor. so kinda hard to know what it did.15:14
d0ugalbobh: fwiw, I have a patch that changes how this action works, I think it will be much nicer: https://review.openstack.org/52034815:15
bobhd0ugal: right - and there is no existing test so no way to verify that it works15:15
d0ugalbut I have been blocked landing it by tripleo (I need to find a solution for this)15:15
d0ugaloh! There has been a promotion of the tripleo packages, so it may be able to land now15:16
* d0ugal rechecks15:16
bobhd0ugal: that patch would definitely fix my problem15:18
d0ugalYeah, I hope so15:18
d0ugalbobh: I guess it would be good if we could add a test case to show the problem and then we can verify it gets fixed more easily.15:19
bobhd0ugal: your patch changes the signature of mistral_http to not require the action_context, so we would need another base action that requires the action_context I think15:20
d0ugalbobh: what is action_context actually needed for?15:21
bobhd0ugal: I don't need it - I was just trying to use mistral_http as a base for an adhoc action and that's where I ran into the problem with action_context15:22
d0ugalbobh: the new version in my patch uses the new action conctext that is passed to the run method15:22
d0ugalRight15:22
d0ugalSo why would we need another base action that requires the action_context?15:22
d0ugalThat is the bit I don't follow15:23
d0ugalessentially MistralHTTPAction just adds some extra headers, I've moved that from the __init__ to the run method.15:23
bobhd0ugal: to reproduce the issue with adhoc actions from a (now custom) base action that requires the action_context param - unless that is going away completely and it always comes out of the run context, which is a better solution anyway15:23
d0ugalaha15:24
d0ugalI see15:24
d0ugalI think it is better to just remove it completely :)15:24
bobhif the action_context param is deprecated there is no issue15:24
d0ugalgreat15:24
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d0ugalbobh: if you could test/review that patch it would be very useful.15:24
bobhd0ugal: will do - and thanks!15:25
d0ugalThere is one -1, but I am mostly ignoring it :)15:25
bobhd0ugal: lol15:25
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d0ugal(I didn't think it was a helpful review)15:25
bobhd0ugal: I don't suppose this patch would be a candidate for stable/pike15:26
d0ugalbobh: good question, I hadn't planned to backport it but we could discuss with rakhmerov15:26
d0ugalThe related mistral-lib patches have already been backported to Pike15:27
d0ugalso it *should* be fairly easy.15:27
d0ugalbobh: Anything else you'd like to discuss?15:28
d0ugalor anyone else?15:28
bobhd0ugal: I'm good - thanks15:28
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d0ugalapetrich: anything you want discussed or reviewed for that YAQL function?15:29
apetrichd0ugal, I don't think much at this point. I'm doing the minimum there and probably when the reviews come in I will need some more discussion15:30
apetrichminimum functional15:30
d0ugalI wanted to discuss CI, but I guess I need rakhmerov for that. https://review.openstack.org/52288015:30
d0ugalapetrich: sounds good. I would encourage adding the smallest possible useful function. It is always easier to expand it later - but it sounds like you are already doing this :)15:31
d0ugalthrash: btw I just reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52202315:32
d0ugalI think we can probably end the meeting - mostly just open discussion today, but that is fine.15:32
d0ugalI think we should consider doing the "office hours" with Mistral - other projects do this in place of the weekly meeting15:33
* d0ugal waits 1 min before ending the meeting15:33
d0ugalOkay, thanks everyone!15:35
d0ugal#endmeeting15:35
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apetrichcheers15:35
openstackMeeting ended Mon Dec  4 15:35:48 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:35
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dtantsur#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  4 17:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
dtantsurhi all!17:00
sambettso/17:00
rpiosoo/17:00
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rlooo/17:00
milan_o/17:00
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dtantsur#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic17:00
jlvillalo/17:00
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dtantsur#topic Announcements / Reminder17:01
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milan_folks, I'm moving on 1.1.2018 for new challenges, was a pleasure!17:02
dtantsur#info Milan moving on starting with Jan, 1st17:02
sambettsmilan_: goodluck!17:02
rloomilan_: boo, hiss. Sorry to see you moving on, but thanks for all the inspectin' and good luck!17:02
vdroko/17:02
dtantsurmilan_: it was just a huge pleasure to work with you as well. I'll miss our coffee spec reviews ;)17:02
milan_<3 same here folks!17:03
milan_thanks!17:03
rpiosomilan_: Congratulations!17:03
stendulkermilan_: Wish you all the best !!17:03
milan_rpioso, stendulker thanks guys! :)17:03
* etingof hopes that at least coffee stays...17:03
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milan_:D17:03
dtantsurheh17:03
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dtantsur#info Due to lack of interest at present, the ironic-ui meeting will be cancelled for the time being. Please contact TheJulia if interested in contributing.17:04
jlvillalWe'll miss you milan_ !17:04
dtantsurI think the same fate may hit the BFV meeting, but I need to double-check with Julia17:04
Nisha_Agarwalmilan_, leaving ironic?17:04
milan_Nisha_Agarwal, yup, I am17:04
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dtantsur#info TheJulia is unavailable on Monday/Tuesday of this week17:05
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pas-hao/17:05
dtantsurnow, folks I haven't got a lot of votes on moving this meeting to our main channel17:06
vdrokmilan_: wish you all the best on a new place!17:06
dtantsurI am for it, and rloo as well; +2, -017:06
rloodtantsur: did we vote?17:06
rloodtantsur: oh, yeah, there's my vote :)17:06
rloodtantsur: let's vote!17:06
milan_jlvillal, vdrok, thanks guys! :)17:06
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sambettsdtantsur: +2 from me17:06
sambettsone less channel for me to track17:07
Nisha_Agarwalmilan_, wish you all the best in next role :)17:07
stendulker+2 from me17:07
Nisha_Agarwal+1 from me17:07
pas-hadtantsur: +1 for the same reason17:07
milan_Nisha_Agarwal, thank you :)17:07
dtantsur#startvote Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic? Yes, No17:07
openstackBegin voting on: Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic? Valid vote options are Yes, No.17:07
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.17:07
dtantsur#vote Yes17:07
sambetts#vote Yes17:07
pas-ha#vote Yes17:07
rloo#vote Yes17:07
etingofYes17:07
stendulker#vote Yes17:07
Nisha_Agarwal#vote Yes17:07
etingof#vote Yes17:07
jlvillal#vote Yes17:07
vdrokthere is no "don't care option" :)17:07
rpioso#vote Yes17:08
mjturek#vote yes17:08
dtantsurvdrok: you're right, there's no such option ;)17:08
milan_vdrok, try #vote meh :P17:08
dtantsurany more votes?17:08
vdrok#vote meh17:08
openstackvdrok: meh is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No.17:08
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milan_lol17:08
dtantsursee? no such option! ;)17:09
milan_:D17:09
dtantsurokay, let's count17:09
dtantsur#endvote17:09
openstackVoted on "Should we move this meeting to #openstack-ironic?" Results are17:09
openstackYes (10): jlvillal, rloo, pas-ha, stendulker, Nisha_Agarwal, etingof, rpioso, dtantsur, mjturek, sambetts17:09
dtantsurwow, decided :)17:09
* jlvillal should have voted no just to be ornery17:09
dtantsur#agreed The ironic weekly meeting will move to #openstack-ironic, effective Dec 11th17:10
dtantsurokay, this was the fun part :)17:10
dtantsurany announcements, reminders?17:10
dtantsur#info python-ironic-inspector-client 3.0.0 released with a bunch of deprecated features removals17:10
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milan_\0/17:11
dtantsuroh17:11
dtantsur#info networking-generic-switch is a part of the Bare Metal program17:11
dtantsurI think it was merged, wasn't it? :)17:11
dtantsur#link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/ironic.html#networking-generic-switch17:12
dtantsurokay, moving on?17:12
rloodtantsur: ironic also got tagged with that other upgrades thing17:12
rloodtantsur: i forgot what it was called17:12
dtantsuryeah, me too17:12
dtantsurnot a huge achievement, given that it was applies to use automatically :)17:13
dtantsurbut still, yes17:13
rloodtantsur: supports-accessible-upgrade17:13
dtantsuryep17:13
rlooironic & inspector17:13
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dtantsur#info ironic and ironic-inspector now have supports-accessible-upgrade tag17:14
dtantsur#topic Review action items from previous meeting17:14
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dtantsur#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-11-20-17.00.html17:14
dtantsurso, n-g-s was accepted17:14
dtantsurvdrok: how's graphical console doing? I think there was an update17:15
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vdrokyeah pas-ha has updated the spec17:15
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dtantsurnice, thanks pas-ha17:15
dtantsurmilan_, etingof, how was the bug triaging?17:15
milan_dtantsur, awesome! For one hour, we had 0 new bugs!17:16
dtantsur\o/17:16
milan_then a bug came in :-/17:16
dtantsurgood job :)17:16
milan_:D17:16
dtantsuranything else to add?17:16
milan_can do it again17:16
dtantsursure ;)17:16
etingof+117:16
dtantsur#topic Review subteam status reports17:16
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dtantsur#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 13617:17
rloodtantsur: wrt migrating classic to hardware types. what did we decide in midcycle?17:18
rloodtantsur: we should update/reply to that email thread. L195.17:18
dtantsurI will, yes17:19
dtantsur#action dtantsur to follow up on the midcycle17:19
rloosambetts: wrt routed network support, there's a WIP: 217. where are we at with that?17:19
rloosambetts: L21717:19
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jlvillaldtantsur: FYI:  https://review.openstack.org/525259 Move ironic-bare-metal meeting to the #openstack-ironic channel17:20
sambettsjust checking17:20
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dtantsurthanks jlvillal17:20
rloovdrok: didn't you start cleaning up the deploy interface? L23317:20
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sambettsrloo: after vacation I was planning to pick this back up, but while I was gone my patch has been taken over and split (so I need to work out whats going on there) and also networking-baremetals CI was broken so not much progress has been made17:21
rloopas-ha: wrt ansible deploy interface, L258. If that is questionable, i say, yes, we need doc updates :)17:22
rloosambetts: you're planning on working on it though, right? and does it need an RFE?17:22
dtantsurrloo: the question mark is "is it TODO?" not "do we need docs" :)17:22
rloodtantsur: heh.17:22
vdrokrloo: I did start. there is a wip patch. should be able to finish this week. lemme update the board17:22
rloovdrok: thx17:22
rloopas-ha: ^^ are there docs or a doc patch for the ansible deploy interface?17:22
pas-harloo: no, copying docs is on my TODO list for this week17:23
rloopas-ha: thx!17:23
pas-hadocs are there in staging drivers, just need to copy and adapt structure to ironic ones17:23
sambettsrloo: I'm planning on working on it, but as someone else has starting hacking on it I might see where they are at first before I stomp all over them17:24
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dtantsurwe have a page for deploy interfaces now17:24
rloopas-ha: gotcha17:24
sambetts\o/17:24
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dtantsur#link https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/admin/interfaces/deploy.html17:24
rloosambetts: yeah, that's a good idea.17:24
rloofor python 3.5, i thought the issue was that swift isn't avail on 3.5.17:25
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Nisha_Agarwalrloo, yes its still a issue but we have enabled for ironci and ironic-inspector bypassing swift17:25
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rlooNisha_Agarwal: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then.17:26
jlvillalrloo: I think that you can use Ironic without Swift for certain driver types. I forget which ones exactly.17:26
rloojlvillal: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then :D17:26
Nisha_Agarwalrloo ok sure17:26
anupnrloo, yes i also chatted briefly with swift guys and py3.5 support does not seem to be on their priority17:26
jlvillalrloo: I know anup has been working on it for the TinyIPA work.17:26
Nisha_Agarwalrloo, for pxe_ipmitool drivers we can do without swift17:27
rlooanupn: would be good to note that down in the etherpad then :D :D17:27
dtantsurjlvillal: ipmi+iscsi (former pxe_ipmitool)17:27
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anupnrloo, will do17:27
rloojlvillal is back, and I think we're good with doing the tempest plugin split next week?17:28
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dtantsuryeah17:28
dtantsurlet's maybe pick a day even?17:28
jlvillalrloo: I am. This week I am busy getting caught plus have to write up my yearly performance review. Which is super awesome time of course ;)17:28
dtantsurlike, jlvillal starts in his morning, then I take over in mine17:28
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jlvillals/caught/caught up/17:28
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jlvillaldtantsur: Tuesday my day?17:29
jlvillaldtantsur: Then Wednesday your day?17:29
dtantsurjlvillal: sounds good17:29
jlvillalGreat17:29
rloojlvillal & dtantsur: what does this mean for the rest of us? That CI won't be avail?17:29
dtantsurcan please someone -2 anything that touches the in-tree tempest plugins around right now?17:29
dtantsuror okay, maybe on Friday17:30
jlvillalrloo: I hope not. I'm thinking minimal impact.17:30
rloojlvillal: we hope so too :) this doesn't affect stable branches?17:30
dtantsurall branches17:30
dtantsurthe plugin will be branchless17:30
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rlooOH. we should make sure all the branches pass CI before this then.17:31
jlvillal+1 on all branches being affected.17:31
rloocuz i think there is at least one project that is failing...17:31
dtantsurgood call. I think stable/pike of ironic has problems17:31
jlvillalOnce we remove the tempest plugin from openstack/ironic17:31
dtantsurso, 1. this week - fix the CI, 2. Mon (my) morning - freeze the tempest plugin, 3. Mon - John's morning - do import in github17:32
dtantsur4. Tue - my morning - double-check/fix inspector import, 5. Tue - John's morning - pull the trigger, 6. Wed - my morning - fix THE WORLD17:32
dtantsuranything I missed?17:33
rloodtantsur: just #action item ^^ :D17:33
jlvillalSounds about right17:33
sambetts7. fix the WORLD again?17:33
Nisha_Agarwaltempest split is for ironic only?17:33
dtantsurNisha_Agarwal: the whole openstack is doing it. we're talking about ironic and ironic-inspector here17:33
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, ok17:33
dtantsur#agreed We will be moving to a separate tempest plugin on Dec 11 - Dec 13. The in-tree tempest plugin will be frozen for the duration of the switch, and will be removed afterwards.17:34
dtantsursomething like this ^^^ as a tl;dr?17:34
rloo+117:34
sambettssounds good to me17:34
dtantsurnice!17:35
dtantsurdone with the statuses?17:35
rloooh, i asked. about zuul v3 stuff.17:35
dtantsurwhat about it?17:36
rlooi am only going to make sure master branches have their zuul v3 stuff done. if folks want to backport the centralized stuff, they will have to do on their onw.17:36
rloodtantsur: L24017:36
jlvillaldtantsur: rloo: Updated whiteboard with plan17:36
dtantsurrloo: not as a priority, I guess?17:36
dtantsurthanks jlvillal17:36
rloodtantsur: unless folks think that it is important to backport to all.17:36
rloodtantsur: i don't see backporting that stuff as a priority, and some projects are already out of sync so it isn't a simple cherry-pick.17:37
dtantsurwell, if we have to backport some CI change later, it will be easier if the content is in sync17:37
rloodtantsur: so i don't want to be responsible for making sure it is done.17:37
dtantsurright. it's not a priority.17:37
rloodtantsur: ok, i'll17:37
rlooclose that off next week then... wrt what i was/am doing anyway.17:38
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rloodtantsur: am good with status now :)17:38
rloothx jlvillal17:38
dtantsur#topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week17:38
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dtantsurthe authentication refactoring is moving well. wanna take more patches from it?17:38
rloodtantsur: yup17:39
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pas-hai've fixed nits in swift patch (and filed two bugs while doing it :)17:39
pas-hathe next one (neutron) is quite bigger though17:40
dtantsuryeah, I'm thinking of taking one a week17:40
pas-haok, np17:41
dtantsuractually, I'm fine with the list, given that we have to also check the CI state17:41
dtantsurand some of the items on the list are not moving fast enough17:41
dtantsurwdyt?17:41
pas-hait seems we have some multinode troubles tho17:41
rloodtantsur: the list looks good, the only thing is that i think this is the 3rd rescue patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50934217:42
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rloodtantsur: but i don't know if we'll get that far so not a big deal17:42
rloopas-ha: :(17:42
rloopas-ha: is it random or always? (guess we can discuss later)17:43
dtantsuryeah, let's discuss it out of the meeting17:43
dtantsur#topic Appointing a bug triaging lead for the coming week17:43
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dtantsuretingof and milan_? :)17:43
milan_dtantsur, ack17:43
etingofack17:43
dtantsurI'm not forcing you, you said you're interested :)17:43
milan_yup and I meant it :)17:44
dtantsurcool!17:44
dtantsur#action milan_ and etingof to continue their bug triaging effort17:44
dtantsurthanks guys!17:44
milan_np!17:44
dtantsur#topic RFE review17:44
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dtantsurrloo: let's get started :)17:44
rloohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/166924317:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1669243 in Ironic "[RFE] Ironic doesn't support zmq with oslo.messaging" [Wishlist,Triaged]17:45
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1669243  Ironic doesn't support zmq with oslo.messaging17:45
rloodo we approve, do we need a spec? is this a bug??17:45
pas-haI've mixed feelings about that17:45
dtantsurit may be a bug, which I don't really care about..17:46
dtantsurhow many real world deployments use zmq with openstack?17:46
rloodtantsur: none if it isn't supported...17:46
dtantsurI mean, outside of ironic17:46
rloodtantsur: wondering why this person wanted it17:46
pas-hacouple of years ago, it seemed that 0mq was the answer to scaling of openstack messaging, but then nova implemented cells17:46
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pas-haso currently rabbit scaling issues are not a pressing as they used to17:47
sambettsit was a big topic at the forum about using zmq for RPC and rabbit for notifications17:47
rloosambetts: OH. in Sydney?17:47
dtantsurwell, zmq for RPC will require rethinking our RPC17:47
dtantsurI hope people don't meant to use zmq PubSub for it :) /me suspects they do17:48
rloodtantsur: needs spec then...17:48
sambettsrloo: not sure in Sydney but in boston it was17:48
pas-hadtantsur: exactly, it is quite different model from rabbit, even when beeing 'abstracted' by oslo-messaging17:48
* dtantsur dreams of the times when people used RPC to implement RPC..17:48
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rlooso what should we do? ask for a spec and that whatever is designed should be consistent? with how other projects do it if they do?17:49
jlvillalThe reporter hasn't commented on the bug for 9 months...  Nobody else seems to be asking for it. Should we look at this when there appears to be more interest?17:49
dtantsuranyway, this one is either a bug or needs a spec - depending on its impact17:49
sambettsdtantsur: they split notifications and RPC in oslo.messaging so you can load to different drivers, because RPC shouldn't reuqired pub sub but notificaitons do17:49
dtantsurI suspect the latter17:49
rlooi think it is a spec, cuz we don't say that we support zmg, do we?17:50
dtantsursambetts: right, but you need a specific destination then. like IP:port of the conductor, not just a topic17:50
sambettsI think by supprting oslo.messaging we implicatly do support it right?17:50
dtantsuryeah, let's have a spec. if somebody shows up and convinces us it's an easy fix - let it be17:50
rloook, spec.17:50
sambetts+117:50
rloolet's move on to the next one...17:50
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1660351 serial console through shellinabox is not multi-tenant and has no token/password protection17:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1660351 in Ironic "[RFE] serial console through shellinabox is not multi-tenant and has no token/password protection" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:51
dtantsura spec. for sure17:52
dtantsurI'm not even sure I agree with the problem statement, let alone the solution17:52
rloodtantsur: ok. yeah, more details would be useful. will comment.17:52
rloonext..17:53
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dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1657170 Change VIF list endpoint to output additional information17:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1657170 in Ironic "[RFE] Change VIF list endpoint to output additional information" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Vasyl Saienko (vsaienko)17:53
vdrokso I see sambetts ' comment17:53
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vdrokthe idea was just to include a bunch of stuff in response for use in nova virt driver so as not to do additional calls into ironic api17:54
dtantsurwhile the API-SIG hates it, we can add a parameter IIRC called "include" to make node-list include ports, vifs, whatever17:55
dtantsurI agree with Sam that it does expose an internal detail17:55
rloowere vifs written/designed to have additional info, that info depended on the network interface?17:55
vdrokhere is the bit of code https://jenkins.mtn5.cci.att.com/job/FUEL-9.0-kilo-generic-gigantic_single/1317/17:55
dtantsurwe're moving the to the bright future of hardware that allocates NICs on fly17:55
vdrokgah17:55
vdrokhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L901-L90417:55
vdrokrloo: correct17:56
* sambetts hates that the nova driver needs to have any info from the ironic ports 17:56
sambettstbh I don't hink it does really17:56
dtantsuroh, this has a lot of the assumptions17:56
rloovdrok: i'd have to look at the code, but then, maybe the network driver can populate that vif info...17:56
jlvillalI recommend "?detail=True" :)17:57
sambettsjlvillal: ;)17:57
* jlvillal has been reviewing sambetts' code :)17:57
rlooi think it needs a spec17:57
dtantsuryeah, I feel like there are options to consider here17:57
rlooif it can be genearlized or something17:58
dtantsurand new API endpoints usually require a spec anywa17:58
rlooright17:58
jlvillal2 minutes left...17:58
rloook, next, we have 2 min...17:58
dtantsurbut that's a good call vdrok, this nova code has to be refactored17:58
sambetts+1 to generalizing and removing assumtions from nova17:58
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1719582 complete SSL support for https image references17:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1719582 in Ironic "[RFE] complete SSL support for https image references" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pavlo Shchelokovskyy (pshchelo)17:58
pas-hajust want to get opinions on what to do re config options here17:59
rloopas-ha: i think we should just reuse. if that doesn't work for someone, we could always add new options later?17:59
dtantsurwell, the image URLs are coming through driver_info/instance_info, right?17:59
vdrokok, will try to add somth to the bug17:59
dtantsurthen I think the SSL options should come from there as well...17:59
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dtantsuranyway, let's move to the channel18:00
dtantsurthanks all18:00
dtantsur#endmeeting18:00
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ildikov#startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  4 20:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute'20:01
jungleboyj@!20:01
_pewp_jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ20:01
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smcginnis./20:02
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ildikovhi :)20:02
spotz\o/20:02
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ildikovthanks to diablo_rojo_phon, we have a long agenda for today :)20:03
ildikov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings20:03
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diablo_rojo_phonI can be here until the flight attendant tells me to turn my phone off :)20:04
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ildikovdiablo_rojo_phon: safe travels! :)20:04
ildikovI think we can start20:04
ildikov#Announcements20:04
ildikovMondays...20:05
ildikov#topic Announcements20:05
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jungleboyjIt happens to the best of us.  :-)20:05
ildikovwe are pretty close to the holidays, so we should try to get some progress now! :)20:05
ildikovbeyond this we have a couple of OpenStack Days events for next year interested, we will get back to you with more info once the event planes and dates are settled20:06
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diablo_rojo_phonThree events. One in Europe. One is South America. One is Asia.20:07
jungleboyjCool.20:07
ildikovand we will have two Summits next year as usual with two trainings that we need to prepare to20:07
ildikovso let's talk a bit about Vancouver20:07
ildikov#topic Schedule of flow for Vancouver20:08
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ildikov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OUI_exercises_reform20:08
ildikovwe have our reform etherpad still open20:08
ildikovthe goal is to re-think the training with the Contributor Portal in mind20:08
ildikovwe can also think about how to get the students more engaged during the course20:09
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ildikovbeyond stickers :)20:09
jungleboyj:-)20:09
ildikovchocolate doesn't work that well20:09
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jungleboyjildikov:  I thought it worked well.  :-)20:10
ildikovand pens are heavy to carry home after the training... :)20:10
jungleboyjBeer and Wine!20:10
ildikovjungleboyj: people were more excited about the stickers20:10
spotzI thought the tim tas went well even the Aussies were picking them:)20:10
ildikov:)20:10
jungleboyjspotz:  You can get them a Target now.20:10
spotzDon't tell anyone jungleboyj I'm making gift tins out of a couple boxes!20:11
ildikovnot bad, but stickers were *the* hit as far as I remember20:11
ildikovspotz: nice! :)20:11
jungleboyjspotz:  Nice.  :-)20:11
ildikovok, back to the meeting topic :)20:11
ildikovso please throw ideas to the etherpad20:11
ildikovgo crazy and try to think outside the box20:11
jungleboyjWill do.20:11
ildikovwe should at least try :)20:12
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ildikovwe would also like to continue building a liaison team that we started early this year20:12
ildikovto get the activity on the project teams' mind20:13
ildikovwe could also connect the on boarding room activities with the training activities this way easier20:13
spotzildikov: I think the main probably is most folks don't know necessarily months or even weeks in advance they're going20:13
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ildikovspotz: I thought to have people who can give a heads up to their team when we're having more info on what projects we need coverage for20:14
ildikovspotz: also to maintain some ideas and exercises for the on boarding rooms20:14
ildikovthe latter one is more of a nice to have20:14
spotzok20:14
ildikovspotz: does it make sense?20:15
spotzildikov: Yeah I was thinking more of Laison to line up folks to come20:15
jungleboyjspotz:  Makes sense.20:15
jungleboyjI mean ildikov20:15
ildikovwe can also set a deadline on how much in advance we can expect/try to get reps from project teams where we need it from20:16
jungleboyjildikov:  That would be good so we aren't scrambling at the last minute.20:16
ildikovspotz: yep, someone who's on board roughly with what we do and can help us find someone20:16
smcginnisI think even if we don't get reps from projects, making sure they are aware of the activities could be good.20:16
jungleboyjWould be good to have someone bringing it up in weekly meetings a month or so before the Summit.20:17
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++20:17
ildikovjungleboyj: we will have a little scrambling anyway, but hopefully we can reduce that20:17
jungleboyjI am in the Cinder/Swift and Manila meetings and can keep covering those.20:17
ildikovsmcginnis: +120:17
spotzAnd if we push that we can be a stepping stone for their onboarding rooms that might get us more input20:17
ildikovspotz: exactly!20:17
jungleboyjspotz: Might be good to start more like 6 - 8 weeks ahead of time then20:18
spotzI think it ties back in with our discussions about helping to give folks ideas on what to do in their onboarding rooms20:19
ildikovI can take the action to reach out to the liaisons we have currently on the list and check whether they are still willing to do it20:19
ildikovand find a new person if needed20:19
ildikovand we can expend on the list picking those projects we got interest on the past 2-3 trainings20:19
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jungleboyjSounds good.  Keep expanding our reach.20:21
spotzYeah there were definitely tables the last 2 summits with no one interested in the projects20:22
ildikovI think 3-4 weeks before the training we should have a 70-80% coverage as for mentors20:22
jungleboyj++20:22
diablo_rojo_phon+220:22
ildikovdepends a bit on RSVP's as well, which I expect better now that we'll be back in North America20:22
jungleboyjYeah, that will be nice to have a better idea of the audience.20:22
ildikovwill be back to that topic in a bit20:23
ildikovanother idea is to set a date for the pre-Summit mentor meeting, which we usually have as a Hangouts call20:23
ildikovI think it's a tougher one20:23
ildikovwe can give it a try to set one in the 3-4 weeks prior timeframe20:24
spotzI think that's a hrd call not knowing who's going to mentor yet20:24
smcginnisMight be hard to know availability too far ahead of time, but if we get it on the cal=endar that might be good.20:24
ildikovI would avoid setting one too far in advance as we will most probably need to change it anyhow20:24
diablo_rojo_phonI think we should also make that meeting a hard stop for changes to the training exercises.20:24
diablo_rojo_phonExceptions can be made of course, but as a general rule.20:24
diablo_rojo_phonGoing dark :)20:25
spotzWell we can go with the vague, 3 weeks before summit we will have a meeting:)20:25
jungleboyjspotz:  That is a good target.20:25
ildikovI would have it closer to the Summit20:26
jungleboyjildikov: 2 weeks?  People start disappearing after that.20:27
ildikovand try to set an exact date like 3-4 weeks before the Summit if we managed to get mentors by then20:27
ildikovyeah, two weeks I think would be ideal20:27
jungleboyjOk.20:27
ildikovto see where we have anything last minute to fix/do without people thinking we have a plenty of time so no one does anything :)20:28
ildikovthat would definitely be a hard deadline for exercises and the flow of the training20:29
ildikovfixing bugs, typos of course encouraged any time20:29
jungleboyjAgreed.  That should be the target for having all the main changes in place.20:29
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ildikovwe can get back to the timeline, but sounds like a good start20:30
ildikovok, let's move on if no questions/objections to this topic?20:31
jungleboyjI am good.20:31
ildikov#topic Migration of Info from OUI Content to contributor Portal20:31
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ildikov#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/91320:32
ildikovso we have a few tasks in Storyboard already for the migration20:32
ildikovplease check20:32
ildikovand pick one or create new tasks and pick one after that :)20:32
jungleboyjOk.20:33
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ildikovI think we should move slides over to archive once content is moved with a huge warning on the date it was last updated20:33
jungleboyjSo the goal there is to start taking what we currently have in our slides and make them a part of the portal?20:34
ildikovand adding a link to the contributor portal page where the latest info can be found20:34
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jungleboyj++20:34
ildikovjungleboyj: yes, moving the content over and keep the exercises in the training slides20:34
jungleboyjOk.20:34
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ildikovso we would basically create exercises to walk the students through the relevant info20:35
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ildikovas a strategy we will also try to use diagrams/pictures where we can20:37
ildikovin the Portal20:37
ildikovto avoid people being overwhelmed with a lot of text, especially in case of non-native speakers20:38
jungleboyjYeah, that is one of my worries moving to the Portal.  Could be even more boring.  We need to figure out how to avoid that.20:38
ildikovthink about what make sense, there's no pressure either way, the point is to ensure that people get the information we would like to share20:38
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smcginnisWill there be translations made for the portal?20:39
ildikovyeah, that's certainly not the point :)20:39
smcginnisJust curious. :)20:39
ildikovsmcginnis: good question, I need to ask around about that20:39
ildikovI would think so20:39
smcginnisCool.20:40
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ildikovany further questions/comments to this one?20:40
jungleboyjNot from me.  I really need to look closer at the Portal and figure out how we can maybe map the pieces together.20:41
ildikovjungleboyj: sounds good20:42
ildikovmoving on then20:42
ildikov#topic Brainstorm how better to promote for Vancouver?20:43
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ildikovwe were facing a bit of a challenge in promoting Sydney20:43
smcginnisWe need an OUI jingle.20:43
jungleboyjRadio ... TV20:43
ildikovI think that was a bit of a unique situation due to the location20:43
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ildikovBUT20:43
ildikovit will not hurt to think about how to spread the word20:44
ildikovwe are usually doing a few rounds of Tweets20:44
jungleboyjNice to have a Logo now.  That helps.20:44
smcginnisI wonder if we can get more visibility on the summit web site. And mention in the Reason to Attend.20:44
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jungleboyjAnother Superuser article maybe about what we are doing to develop the project between now and then to get this in people's minds.20:45
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ildikovsmcginnis: those are good ideas20:45
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++20:45
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jungleboyjI know we were linked from the Summit website but it was kind of hidden I thought.20:45
ildikovsmcginnis: some web pages have those headers that are switching a few images, we could have something like that for the Summit having the training up there20:45
smcginnis++20:46
smcginnisI do think it could help somem get justification to go if their management knows they will come back smarterer.20:46
ildikovif the info needs to be found on the web site then it's like wheel of fortune anyway...20:46
ildikovI think we could user the SuperUser blog to both advertise the new Portal and the training20:47
jungleboyjTrue enough.  I should probably start the sponsorship discussion soon and I wonder if there is anything we can do to help promote.20:48
ildikovsmcginnis: yeah, they'll be smarter however it's trickier to turn into immediate progress; hence challenge re management...20:48
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ildikovjungleboyj: good question, we can get back to that early next year after giving it some thoughts20:51
jungleboyjRight.  Miro and I are kind-of talking about this right now.20:51
ildikovif anyone would like to write up a SuperUser blog post please do so and ping me or diablo_rojo_phon if you need any help! :)20:52
ildikovjungleboyj: coolio!20:52
ildikovjungleboyj: thanks!20:53
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jungleboyjildikov:  No problem!20:53
ildikovwe will also keep experimenting with the OpenStack Days events regarding trainings and use that for advertising if that format works out well20:54
smcginnisildikov: I wonder if we should also see if there is any interest in a mini training at the ops midcycle.20:55
ildikovsmcginnis: sure, we can do an ops focused one20:55
smcginnisI think a few of those folks already participate, but there might be more than would contribute if they knew how.20:55
smcginnisI've been attending the weekly meetings. I'll see if there's interest.20:55
ildikovsmcginnis: the question is how much it is a mid cycle for already experienced people and how much we expect new people to show up20:55
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++20:55
smcginnisThey are looking for session proposals for the next event in March.20:55
smcginnisAlready experienced people running OpenStack.20:56
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smcginnisBut there might be some that would contribute docs, etc., if they were more comforatable with how that works.20:56
ildikovhappy to look into whether we could share any useful info with them20:56
smcginnisVW might have an opinion.20:56
ildikovas if they made it to the mid cycle then they are already engaged with the community at least a bit :)20:57
smcginnisildikov: Yep!20:57
ildikovsmcginnis: having them contributing back would be great!20:57
ildikovsmcginnis: so plz keeps us up to date20:57
smcginnisWill do.20:57
ildikovsmcginnis: I'm also happy to join any of the weekly meetings if you need support :)20:58
ildikovok, let's open up the floor for the remaining one minute :)20:59
smcginnisildikov: Sure, I can try to remember to ping you before the next one, or pull you in if it looks like the conversations going anywher.20:59
ildikov#topic Open dicussion20:59
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ildikovsmcginnis: sounds good, thanks!20:59
VWwhat might I have an opinion on smcginnis20:59
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ildikovI need to close the meeting21:00
ildikovthanks everyone!21:00
smcginnisVW: We were just talking about whether it might be useful to do a min Upstream Institute training for the ops midcycle folks.21:00
smcginnisVWWe can follow up later.21:00
smcginnisVWNot time critical.21:00
ildikovmove chats over to #openstack-upstream-institute21:00
VWcool - let's do21:00
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ildikov#endmeeting21:00
smcginnisildikov: Thanks!21:00
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jungleboyjThanks !21:00
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