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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 9 09:00:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 09:00 |
| ildikov | who's around for a meeting? | 09:01 |
| ildikov | ping kmARC csatari | 09:02 |
| csatari | here | 09:02 |
| ildikov | quick agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 09:02 |
| kmARC | Yup yup Gere | 09:02 |
| kmARC | Here* | 09:02 |
| kmARC | Let me get my laptop | 09:02 |
| ildikov | :) | 09:03 |
| ianychoi | Hi all | 09:03 |
| csatari | Hi | 09:03 |
| ildikov | Hi All :) | 09:03 |
| ildikov | let's start | 09:03 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:04 | |
| ildikov | Happy New Year :) | 09:04 |
| csatari | Happy New Year. | 09:04 |
| ildikov | we are targeting big changes this year to the training format and material | 09:05 |
| ildikov | have interest from OpenStack Days organizers for the shorter format, but it still needs more chat before marking the calendars | 09:05 |
| ildikov | and we have the PTG coming up in a bit more than a month | 09:06 |
| kmARC | cool! Sounds like when the boss tells employees, "there are some organizational changes. BTW. you gus are fired" | 09:06 |
| ildikov | and our next topic will be the VM image about which kmARC has some news :) | 09:06 |
| kmARC | ildikov: are we fired? :-D | 09:06 |
| csatari | gus are fired. | 09:06 |
| csatari | Who is Gus? | 09:07 |
| ildikov | kmARC: no, the opposite, we all have a ton of work to do :D | 09:07 |
| kmARC | guys* :-) | 09:07 |
| ildikov | kmARC: does that sound better? | 09:08 |
| kmARC | haha, certainly | 09:08 |
| ildikov | ok, cool :) | 09:08 |
| ildikov | let's move on then :) | 09:09 |
| ildikov | #topic VM image (kmARC) | 09:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VM image (kmARC) (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:09 | |
| ildikov | kmARC: would you mind sharing on the meeting too the progress and further plans with the VM image? | 09:09 |
| kmARC | Sure | 09:09 |
| kmARC | So let me summarize what has been done | 09:09 |
| kmARC | Last year I talked to fungi about bringing the VM image creation under the CI system openstack infra also uses | 09:10 |
| kmARC | there we use kvm virtual machines and debootstrap to create _only images_, e.g. not virtual machines with all the settings configured, ála vagrant would do | 09:11 |
| kmARC | this had an impact on my current workflow obviously | 09:11 |
| kmARC | those guys use the diskimage-builder python ecosystem | 09:11 |
| kmARC | I had a closer look again ( I fiddled with it like two years ago, then it wasn't enough for what we want) | 09:12 |
| kmARC | it looks like that it kinda satisfies 80% of what we need | 09:12 |
| kmARC | so I built images (reusing the vagrant-based bash scripts) for vmware, virtualbox and kvm-qemu | 09:12 |
| kmARC | images boot up quit fast, all desktop services seem to work (even sound, automatic guest window resizing, etc.) | 09:13 |
| kmARC | so basically it is usable as a development environment for the beginners | 09:13 |
| kmARC | HOWEVER | 09:13 |
| kmARC | unfortunately since dureing the creation there is just a chrooted environment, we cannot set up devstack | 09:13 |
| kmARC | so I applied some "heuristics", let's say, to at least grab all the packages, pip packages, iso images, etc | 09:14 |
| kmARC | and include it in the image | 09:14 |
| kmARC | after first boot, one needs to run again `stack.sh` | 09:14 |
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| kmARC | :-( | 09:14 |
| csatari | For how long does it stacking? | 09:15 |
| kmARC | it runs on my computer for around 10-20 minutes, but it unfortunately still uses network for downloading about 50-100MB of pip packages | 09:15 |
| ildikov | kmARC: so at least the devstack repo is cloned? | 09:15 |
| kmARC | I'm still trying to optimize that | 09:15 |
| kmARC | devstack cloned, all the openstack microservices cloned, pip packages installed, apt-packages installed | 09:15 |
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| ildikov | hmm, could be way worse than 50-100MB | 09:16 |
| ildikov | kmARC: oh, that still sounds pretty good | 09:16 |
| kmARC | right now there is a very basic bash script that I use to collect all the packages what devstack installs and put it into the base image | 09:16 |
| kmARC | it basically gets currently installed list of stuff, installs devstack, gets the installed list again, compares, give back yaml on the difference | 09:17 |
| kmARC | but this step is _NOT_ integrated into the automatic image building | 09:17 |
| kmARC | meaning, right now the image builds automatically if we want, however the list of packages are statically committed to the git repo | 09:17 |
| kmARC | I think we can live with that | 09:17 |
| kmARC | so yeah | 09:18 |
| csatari | +1 | 09:18 |
| ildikov | but can it be added to the gate job we planned to have? | 09:18 |
| kmARC | yes | 09:18 |
| kmARC | I'll talk to fungi again and we'll see | 09:18 |
| ildikov | ok, I think it overall sounds awesome! | 09:18 |
| ildikov | thanks so much for working on it! | 09:18 |
| ildikov | do you need testers? | 09:19 |
| kmARC | literally right now one command is needed, `./create-traning-box` will give you an ova archive :-) | 09:19 |
| kmARC | YES | 09:19 |
| kmARC | I NEED TESTERS | 09:19 |
| kmARC | although not right now | 09:19 |
| csatari | I can play with it a bit, but I will disappear on Friday for ~two weeks. | 09:19 |
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| kmARC | I will finish up the docs on building until thursday | 09:20 |
| csatari | I already ran the command and got an OVA archive. | 09:20 |
| ildikov | csatari: holiday after the holidays? :) | 09:20 |
| kmARC | csatari: really? you mean this new version? | 09:20 |
| csatari | ildikov> Yes, snowboard season is on. | 09:20 |
| ildikov | csatari: nice! | 09:20 |
| ildikov | csatari: be careful though :) | 09:21 |
| csatari | kmARC> Yes, the patch you irc-ed. | 09:21 |
| kmARC | oh cool | 09:21 |
| kmARC | and did you try the actual resulting ova? | 09:21 |
| csatari | Not yet. | 09:21 |
| kmARC | try it :-) | 09:21 |
| kmARC | so anyhow | 09:21 |
| csatari | I have some problems with the VirtualBox install. | 09:21 |
| kmARC | It runs in vmware player too | 09:21 |
| kmARC | and if you extract the vmdk from the ova file, it will boot up on libvirt/qemu/kvm | 09:22 |
| csatari | I can give a try. | 09:22 |
| csatari | Qemu I have. | 09:22 |
| kmARC | please do that then, You can consult me until friday :-) | 09:22 |
| csatari | Okay | 09:22 |
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| csatari | One question: How strongly we want to run this on Fedora like systems? | 09:22 |
| kmARC | Not at all | 09:23 |
| csatari | okay | 09:23 |
| kmARC | ildikov: for the less adventorous, I'll clean up the docs and if at least one or two testers would say that we can live with the current setup (meaning, 50-100MB downloaded), then we can merge the patch | 09:23 |
| kmARC | Oh and some closing remarks: The image takes up around 1000MB, so less than a GiB :-) | 09:24 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: sure, I can give it a try too and will ping US people later in the day | 09:24 |
| ildikov | kmARC: \o/ :) | 09:25 |
| kmARC | That's it. If you guys have any questions, recommendations, tips or tricks how to make the image better, let me know | 09:25 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: thank you! | 09:25 |
| kmARC | since now the actual _technical_ problems are gonna be sorted out, I can focus on making the thing more user friendly (correct landing page in the browser, background image openstack-ish, etc.) | 09:25 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: I guess test locally first and then talk to the infra guys? | 09:26 |
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| kmARC | well, I'll start talking to them right away | 09:27 |
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| ildikov | even better, great | 09:27 |
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| ildikov | anything else to this topic now? | 09:28 |
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| ildikov | ok, let's move on | 09:29 |
| ildikov | #topic PTG | 09:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:29 | |
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| ildikov | who's coming to the PTG? | 09:29 |
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| csatari | I am. | 09:29 |
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| kmARC | Should I_ | 09:29 |
| kmARC | ? | 09:30 |
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| kmARC | I have the ticket, was planning some keystone contrib, however didn't have any progress on it. Let's wait for the TSP results and will see | 09:30 |
| ildikov | the idea is to have working sessions as part of the Docs and the First Contact SIG sessions | 09:30 |
| kmARC | csatari: I'd go for hotel room / airbnb share | 09:30 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: so it would be great if you could come as well | 09:32 |
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| ildikov | we would like to get progress with the content migration to the Contributor Guide and also to brainstorm about the flow of the training and exercises | 09:33 |
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| ildikov | the migration is an easier task, but I'm sure that we would have a better progress face to face with the flow and exercises part than individually | 09:33 |
| kmARC | okkey then, count me in! | 09:33 |
| ildikov | thoughts on this? | 09:33 |
| ildikov | kmARC: +1 :) | 09:34 |
| csatari | +1 from my side also. I will need to participate in the edge discussions. | 09:35 |
| ildikov | csatari: yeah, I planned on those too | 09:35 |
| csatari | ildikov> Good, so we will not overlap. | 09:36 |
| ildikov | csatari: I will ask diablo_rojo about the schedule | 09:36 |
| ildikov | I'm not sure where we are with that | 09:36 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: any chance you're traveling to these events this year? | 09:37 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I mean PTG and Summit | 09:38 |
| csatari | ildikov> okay, thanks. We will have an edge meetign today. Maybe there will be some discussion about the detailed schedule. | 09:38 |
| ildikov | csatari: I meant more the PTG room setup and plans for now to see what slots we can play with to try to avoid too much overlapping | 09:39 |
| csatari | ildikov> Ah, manipulating the global scene. | 09:39 |
| ildikov | csatari: but I guess we will talk about the plans on the Edge side today too | 09:39 |
| csatari | Even better :) | 09:39 |
| ildikov | :) | 09:39 |
| ildikov | ok, then I think we're in an agreement for now on this and can work on schedule, etc as we're getting closer to the event | 09:40 |
| ildikov | #topic Migration from OUI to Contributor Guide | 09:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration from OUI to Contributor Guide (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:41 | |
| ildikov | I just wanted to remind everyone to the open tasks we have | 09:42 |
| ildikov | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/913 | 09:42 |
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| ildikov | and I'm sure there are yet unregistered tasks as well, so plz look into it if you have some time :) | 09:43 |
| ildikov | any questions to the Contributor Portal/Guide? | 09:44 |
| csatari | ildikov> Good, that you reminded us ;) | 09:44 |
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| ildikov | csatari: ;) | 09:45 |
| ildikov | ok, move on | 09:45 |
| ildikov | #topic Open Discussion | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:45 | |
| ildikov | with Kendall we're looking into refreshing the liaison list and also extending it before the next training in Vancouver | 09:46 |
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| ildikov | beyond that I guess we're all settling in to the new year and trying to get up to speed :) | 09:48 |
| ildikov | anyone has anything else to discuss today? | 09:48 |
| csatari | What is the Tim Tam of Dublin? | 09:48 |
| kmARC | Guinness | 09:49 |
| csatari | :) | 09:49 |
| ildikov | Guinness I guess :) | 09:49 |
| kmARC | :-D | 09:49 |
| csatari | Agreed | 09:49 |
| ildikov | I'm not sure we will be encouraged to consume it during the sessions though... | 09:50 |
| ildikov | we could get Tim Tams from Amazon if we feel the need for it :) | 09:52 |
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| ildikov | ok, I think we're good for today | 09:53 |
| csatari | Need Gunnies more than Tim Tam. | 09:53 |
| ildikov | noted :) | 09:53 |
| ildikov | ok, if nothing else then have a good day/evening everyone! :) | 09:54 |
| csatari | Have a good day. | 09:55 |
| kmARC | you too, cheers! | 09:55 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 09:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 9 09:55:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2018/openstack_upstream_institute.2018-01-09-09.00.html | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2018/openstack_upstream_institute.2018-01-09-09.00.txt | 09:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2018/openstack_upstream_institute.2018-01-09-09.00.log.html | 09:55 |
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