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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 14:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
| shuyingy_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | we all are here | 14:01 |
| shuyingy_ | Hi guys | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | that is new :) | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | hey all | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | lets get started | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tellesnobrega | I'm doing small fixes on the images, not much left to do there. Now I'm focusing on fixing some of the bugs we talked about in Denver (file transfer is the first). Also I want to start testing S3 integration as well as APIv2 | 14:03 |
| tosky | still checking the images produced by sahara-image-pack; finally fixed the CLI tests (the patch for tempest just landed); starting to tackle sahara-extra and upload of oozie tarballs | 14:04 |
| shuyingy_ | Business travel takes me half of the week. Get back yesterday and start working on solve problem in vanilla upgrade | 14:04 |
| tosky | (and nagging and complaining for mass-doc changes, but that touched sahara only partially) | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i haven't had much time to focus on upstream.... but i have (finally) fixing s3_hadoop on my mind. and also apiv2 in client | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | re apiv2 in client, i think i will post a patch doing version discovery the wrong way, then have monty fix it (The patch isn't just that, it also will have all the other v1->v2 changes reflected) | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, we need to start testing APIv2 asap, when are you sending the patch? | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | a rough estimation is ok | 14:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | late tonight | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hopefully | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | perfect | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | np | 14:07 |
| tosky | wrong patch forcing monty to fix it, I like the strategy :) | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, my version of cunningham's law | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | what could go wrong using that? | 14:08 |
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| tellesnobrega | more updates? | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well, about force deletre | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | delete | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i have a patch that you guys can review BUT actually i am thinking about it some more and i think stack abandon might be not the best choice | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | what is the choice you are thinking of? | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | just do a stack delete, but don't wait for deletion. then, unhide the stack | 14:11 |
| tosky | let's discuss the details now or let's switch topic? | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, yes, probably switch topic if no more updates | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | jumped the gun a bit | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | let me switch topic so we can discuss it | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Force Delete details | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Force Delete details (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:12 | |
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| tellesnobrega | you have the floor jeremyfreudberg | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | current version of the patch does force delete like this: 1) put stack in deleting state 2) immediately abandon it 3) drop from db and other cleanup | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | drop cluster, i mean | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | my new idea is: 1) put stack in deleting state, don't wait for deletion to complete 2) unhide stack 3) drop cluster from db | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the problem with abandon was that the user has no idea what was orphaned | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | the step that I don't understand, probably due to lack of knowledge on heat, but what does unhide stack means | 14:15 |
| shuyingy_ | could you explain about the step 2 | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, unhide stack is actually a very funny thing | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will explain | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sahara actually has a special arrangement with heat, that all stacks with a tag data-processing-cluster are "hidden" | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so you need to specifically query for hidden stacks to see them in api/cli | 14:16 |
| shuyingy_ | yes, heat stack-list -a | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but if i remove the tag from the stack, suddenly the user can see the stack and will know to clean stuff up | 14:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | by user you mean cloud operator? | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | by user i mean the real user | 14:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | that makes sense to me | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingy_, tosky ? | 14:18 |
| shuyingy_ | I don't understand what can we benefit if we see the stack | 14:19 |
| tosky | and the "drop cluster from db" solves the issue when heat stack is clean, but the cluster is stuck in deletion state from the sahara point of view? | 14:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, my force delete solution fixes (by my estimate) 90%+ of cases where cluster is stuck deleting because heat stack won't finish deleting | 14:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | by providing alternate way of getting to the final "drop from db" step that doesn't wait for heat stack delete to finish | 14:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | your case where sahara is still in deleting but stack is already gone is not fixed by my patch, but if the stack is already gone and you issue the delete call again the delete should finish fine | 14:22 |
| shuyingy_ | jeremyfreudberg, I have tried to delete the stack in "heat stack-list -a", but most of time sahara can't delete because stack status is failed | 14:22 |
| shuyingy_ | I see | 14:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | after the stack is completely gone that should be ok shuyingya | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | basically here's my point: | 14:23 |
| shuyingya | I got it. | 14:23 |
| * jeremyfreudberg will summarize anyway | 14:24 | |
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| tellesnobrega | please do jeremyfreudberg | 14:24 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | the only way we can have a meaningful force delete option here is if we don't await stack deletion and proceed on to drop cluster from db regardless of stack status | 14:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the implications of that: | 14:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | - user might still want to know what resources didn't end up deleted | 14:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | - but, if the stack really was undeleteable (DELETE_FAILED) then that still doesn't mean that the user will have any easier of a time | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i mean the user's manual cleanup still won't be easy | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think we all get the idea, i don't want to waste half the meeting on it | 14:27 |
| jeremyfreudberg | please follow up on the patch itself if you have concerns | 14:28 |
| shuyingya | jeremyfreudberg, If I remember correctly, heat has an option to configure what kind of stack should be hidden. how can you unhiden it? | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | you can do a PATCH on stack to update tags list | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i was planning just to remove the tag | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the conf option stays the same | 14:28 |
| shuyingya | thanks | 14:29 |
| shuyingya | totally understand it | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | np | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | are we all settled on this topic? | 14:30 |
| tosky | yep | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 14:30 |
| shuyingya | nope | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya, continue | 14:30 |
| shuyingya | jeremyfreudberg, why stack-abandon is not a proper way? | 14:31 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | it would work okay, but it's unnecessary. it basically means "drop stack from heat db" but why should we be hiding stuff from user, i guess is my point | 14:33 |
| shuyingya_ | sorry, network broken | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess the point boils down to, does the end user need to know about heat stack status when using sahara? | 14:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, basically yes | 14:35 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | i will continue to think about it, but i really think we should move on so we can use meeting time more efficiently | 14:37 |
| shuyingya_ | I need take some time to think about it | 14:37 |
| shuyingya_ | let's move on | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | we can continue on the patch | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Dublin PTG | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dublin PTG (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:38 | |
| shuyingya_ | did you receive the email form me? | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | I started an etherpad so we can start putting stuff together for the PTG | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, yes, saw email | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-rocky-ptg | 14:38 |
| shuyingya_ | let's continue tellesnobrega's topic | 14:38 |
| shuyingya_ | :) | 14:39 |
| tosky | yep, we can talk about oozie afterwards, I have few questions too | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | please take some time to write down topic ideas, so we can start getting ready for the PTG | 14:39 |
| shuyingya_ | will do | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | also, I know tosky and I will be there, jeremyfreudberg almost sure, how about you shuyingya_ ? | 14:39 |
| tosky | sure (I was thinking about copy-pasting the final TODO list from Queens PTG for easier comparison) | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, we can certainly do that | 14:40 |
| shuyingya_ | I am not sure right now. maybe not | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | if you can apply to TSP please do | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | you are a core reviewer, they will probably see you as high priority | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | I was also thinking, what do you guys think of creating a trello board so we can have a better tracking system of sahara todos, feature status and so on | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | ? | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | wait, before you answer that question | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | I will close this topic and change to Open Discussion | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | and after this we can jump into oozie and openstack-hadoop stuff | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:42 | |
| tellesnobrega | what do you guys think of creating a trello board so we can have a better tracking system of sahara todos, feature status and so on? | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | trello is a decent idea (and actually i am already doing that) | 14:43 |
| shuyingya_ | this tool looks like cool | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, shuyingya_, any objections? I know some people hate it | 14:44 |
| shuyingya_ | I am OK with it. | 14:44 |
| tosky | why not trying storyboard then? | 14:45 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the one objection that someone could have is why not storyboard maybe | 14:45 |
| * tosky <- someone | 14:45 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, beat tosky by one second | 14:45 |
| tellesnobrega | could be, I never used storyboard | 14:45 |
| tellesnobrega | by trello I meant some place we can have a better tracking system than keep going back to an 3-6 months old etherpad | 14:46 |
| shuyingya_ | I never used storyboard and trello :( | 14:46 |
| tosky | in fact "migrate to storyboard" is something I'd like to propose for Rocky - it's not going to be a community goal, but still we will use it at some point | 14:46 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, is it possible to do a "soft" transition, meaning keep bugs on LP for now and just to do Task tracking on Storyboard? | 14:47 |
| tosky | jeremyfreudberg: I don't know, it's something to ask to... uhm... I don't know :) | 14:47 |
| tellesnobrega | TC maybe? | 14:47 |
| tosky | probably (or they can redirect) | 14:47 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, do you have a link to storyboard? | 14:48 |
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| tellesnobrega | and I will follow up with that | 14:48 |
| tellesnobrega | since we mainly agree that we need something better than what we have today | 14:48 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, as long as we have some tracking tool then i will be happy | 14:49 |
| jeremyfreudberg | let's use the last ten minutes for shuyingya_ oozie stuff | 14:49 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah, | 14:49 |
| tosky | http://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 14:49 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:49 |
| shuyingya_ | do you have any questions about the description in the email? | 14:50 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: topic! | 14:51 |
| tosky | oh, open discussion already, sorry | 14:51 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:51 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, basically you are saying that running the job normally against swift is working, but when you use oozie to launch job, something is missing | 14:51 |
| shuyingya_ | good news is that all testcases has passed. | 14:51 |
| shuyingya_ | jeremyfreudberg, do you mean you want know how to start the job? | 14:52 |
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| shuyingya_ | the command is :openstack dataprocessing job execute --cluster gogo --job-template vanilla-job-template --configs mapred.map.class:org.apache.oozie.example.SampleMapper mapred.reduce.class:org.apache.oozie.example.SampleReducer mapreduce.framework.name:yarn fs.swift.service.sahara.username:admin fs.swift.service.sahara.password:admin --input 92e6b254-66a0-4b05-a989-40993bb5d9b7 --output 0cced149-5400-4afa-9d49-32295d74065d | 14:53 |
| tosky | one thing that I noticed and I don't understand is: why the generated jar is always hadoop-openstack-3.0.0-SNAPSHOT.jar , even if we specify different values of hadoop.version? | 14:53 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, i think that naming is given by something in pom, but it doesn't mean anything | 14:53 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hardcoded somewhere | 14:53 |
| tosky | what is the difference then? | 14:53 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, what i meant was just to clarify the meaning of the email. there is the oozie way (sahara edp) and the normal way (hadoop command?) | 14:54 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, https://github.com/openstack/sahara-extra/blob/master/hadoop-swiftfs/pom.xml#L22 | 14:54 |
| shuyingya_ | I run it with sahara comand | 14:54 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, for us, the normal way is using oozie (sahara way) | 14:55 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, i see. my mistake. i was imagining things | 14:55 |
| shuyingya_ | yes, hadoop-openstack-3.0.0-SNAPSHOT.jar doesn't mean anything | 14:55 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, i'm wondering if you can try the job with `hadoop jar ...` maybe the oozie classpath is different than normal hadoop classpath | 14:56 |
| tellesnobrega | what changed so httpclient is not present anymore? and what is the best way to put it back on? | 14:57 |
| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya_, we can also try to get this change in: https://github.com/apache/hadoop/commit/62579b69a0a294ba1ea14cf76c650b640f89f331#diff-7debb0b87e1651538db48ac873db6a9c | 14:57 |
| jeremyfreudberg | apache people just stopped importing httpclient completely | 14:58 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and rewrote to use a different library | 14:58 |
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| tellesnobrega | from our side? what need httpclient? can we change it to use httpresponse? | 14:59 |
| shuyingya_ | jeremyfreudberg, I know what you mean and I also thought about to apply the change in 3.0.0. have no time to test | 14:59 |
| jeremyfreudberg | https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/b3ff28609a916362fe113b2f9fb9b48db33aac09/sahara/plugins/vanilla/hadoop2/run_scripts.py#L179 | 14:59 |
| shuyingya_ | :) I will try it out tomorrow | 14:59 |
| jeremyfreudberg | if you say uploading the jar fixes it, we can just do that too | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | quick first fix until we come up with something better | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | we are at the top of the hour | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | we have to close it now | 15:00 |
| shuyingya_ | yes | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks guys, shuyingya_ update us on progress on this and what do you think will be the best approach for now | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, if you need help with APIv2 let me know | 15:01 |
| shuyingya_ | If you guys OK, I will post the patch with work around method tomorrow | 15:01 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, do your thing :) | 15:01 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds good shuyingya_ | 15:01 |
| tosky | O.o | 15:01 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 15:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 15:01 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 15:01:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-11-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-11-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-01-11-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 15:01:46 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| shuyingya_ | bye | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Hi there! | 15:02 |
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| david_chou | Hi! | 15:02 |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | That was a long farewell by the Sahara guys | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | haleyb: must be digging himself out from the snow | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | We are a little more that a week from the Q-3 milestone | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | and we are a month and a half away from the Dublin PTG | 15:05 |
| * mlavalle booked his flight yesterday | 15:05 | |
| haleyb | mlavalle: sorry, was doing a report for a meeting in progress | 15:06 |
| Swami | I need to drop of early today. I have to drop kids at school. | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:06 | |
| mlavalle | go ahead Swami | 15:06 |
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| Swami | thanks mlavalle | 15:07 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1735866 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1735866 in neutron "Snat namespace misses iptables rules for floating ip." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:07 |
| Swami | This is a new bug that was filed. I triaged it and pushed in a patch. | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532683/ | 15:08 |
| Swami | Patch is up for review. | 15:08 |
| Swami | I did see a zuul failure, but not related to the patch. Did a recheck on it. | 15:08 |
| haleyb | Swami: that bug shows a different patch | 15:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yes sorry wrong post | 15:09 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1735866 - which is in the gate | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1735866 in neutron "Snat namespace misses iptables rules for floating ip." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:09 |
| Swami | That bug patch already is in the merge queue. | 15:09 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1741411 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1741411 in neutron "Centralized floating ip Error status" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:09 |
| Swami | Yes that is the bug. | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532683/ | 15:10 |
| Swami | This is the patch up for review. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Nice | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | I was going to ask about that one | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for picking it up | 15:11 |
| Swami | There was an issue with the restart of the dvr_no_external agent. That case was not handled. | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1736068 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1736068 in neutron "DVR lost centralized floating ip when the ha state switched." [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:12 |
| Swami | there is a patch up for review. | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525842/ | 15:12 |
| Swami | This patch was failing zuul and I rebased. | 15:13 |
| Swami | But I do see that was some unnecessary change in this patch that was coupled with the bug. I have given a comment. If it is not addressed I will fix it. | 15:13 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1740450 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1740450 in neutron "Restarting l3 agent results in lost of centralized fip in snat ns" [Undecided,New] | 15:14 |
| Swami | This is similar to bug 1741411 | 15:14 |
| openstack | bug 1741411 in neutron "Centralized floating ip Error status" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741411 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:14 |
| Swami | But not sure if they are the same. I have posted some comments in there, on the agent that is getting restarted with HA. | 15:14 |
| Swami | If time permits I will triage it again and see what is wrong there. | 15:15 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:15 |
| Swami | This is a long standing bug and I did not spend any time on this during this week. | 15:16 |
| Swami | I will spend some time again this week to see if I can nail down. | 15:16 |
| haleyb | i did not either, but might have time tomorrow | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: but we did something in the CI meeting about it, right? | 15:16 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: we have marked the test as unstable i believe | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that's it | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | but not really fixed it | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: but still we need to find out the issue. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I was almost close when stopped working on it. | 15:17 |
| Swami | haleyb: let me know your initial findings and will take it from there. I wanted another pair of eyes to look at it. | 15:18 |
| haleyb | Swami: ok | 15:18 |
| Swami | That's all I have for today. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I have a question for haleyb and Swami | 15:19 |
| Swami | sure | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | it is about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1741407 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1741407 in neutron "L3 HA: 2 masters after restart of l3 agent" [Undecided,New] | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | haleyb already told me he doesn't have the environment to confirm this bug | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | how about you Swami? | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I am really trying to understand if among the 3 of us we have a gap with HA | 15:20 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i know we had another recent l3-ha dual-master bug which should have been fixed | 15:20 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I don't have the environment as well. But there is a bug above that requires HA, when I have the environment I can check it out. | 15:21 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1731595 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1731595 in neutron (Ubuntu Zesty) "L3 HA: multiple agents are active at the same time" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Corey Bryant (corey.bryant) | 15:21 |
| Swami | I don't have the environment handy. | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | Swami: ah ok, so a HA environment is something you can deploy easily | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:21 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Yes I can. But I have not tried earlier dual-master. Master-slave is what I have tried before. | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | I was really trying to decide if I should specialize on that and have something readily available when HA bugs show up | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Swami: great. In that case carry on | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | I was worried about a possible gap | 15:23 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i really should have one always available as a lot of customers run it, there's just a lot of overhead | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | ok, understood | 15:23 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: back to you. | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | The only thing that I want to mention on my side is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530500/ merged about 2 hours ago | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | so we shouldn't be running double check / gate jobs anymore today | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | \o/ | 15:25 |
| haleyb | or triple? :-p | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | that's right | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | as haleyb pointed out yesterday | 15:26 |
| haleyb | ihar found that other job, funny how we only found it when updating grafana since there were a lot of stats | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | the problem was that tempest-full was in the Tempest repo. So the duplication wasn't apparent with the files I was migrating | 15:28 |
| haleyb | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532632/ merged, i never got back after the update | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | ^^ the grafana change | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | #topic dvr_openflow | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dvr_openflow (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:29 | |
| mlavalle | david_chou: over to you | 15:30 |
| david_chou | I still work on the base ovs-dpdk test case, not much progress. But I got a VM enviroment in one of Intel internal cloud which is similar the environment David Shaughnessy's group use, hope eaiser to get their help. | 15:30 |
| david_chou | hat's all I have today. | 15:30 |
| david_chou | That's ^^^ | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | david_chou: Thanks for the update | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | #Open Agenda | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:32 | |
| mlavalle | any toher topics we should discuss today? | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | ok Team | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | see you next week | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 15:33:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| Swami | bye | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-11-15.01.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-11-15.01.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-01-11-15.01.log.html | 15:33 |
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| david_chou | Bye | 15:34 |
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| cdent | who wants to hold the baton today? | 15:58 |
| cdent | edleafe, dtantsur, elmiko | 15:59 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 15:59 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 15:59 |
| * edleafe hides | 15:59 | |
| elmiko | i can do it | 15:59 |
| cdent | go fer it | 15:59 |
| elmiko | #startmeeting api sig | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 15:59:44 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 15:59 |
| elmiko | oooh 16 seconds early | 15:59 |
| elmiko | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| * edleafe comes out of hiding | 16:00 | |
| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/ | 16:00 |
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| cdent | I did the writing for the annual report and was told "it's pefect!" | 16:01 |
| cdent | so I guess that went well | 16:01 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:01 |
| elmiko | cdent++ | 16:01 |
| edleafe | huzzah! | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | :) | 16:02 |
| elmiko | #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and ongoing or new biz (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:02 | |
| cdent | except that the quoted person spelt perfect perfectly | 16:02 |
| elmiko | perfectly! | 16:02 |
| elmiko | ok, so i see a topic of how do we encourage change without becoming the api police | 16:03 |
| elmiko | any thoughts? | 16:03 |
| cdent | related to that, monty has proposed a couple of openstack-wide goals related to api stuff, including the recent pagination stuff | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:04 |
| cdent | ooopes | 16:04 |
| cdent | #uncod | 16:04 |
| cdent | #undo | 16:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:04 |
| * cdent is standing | 16:04 | |
| dtantsur | a starting guide and a template for new projects? | 16:04 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532627/ | 16:04 |
| dtantsur | and openstack-wide goals indeed | 16:04 |
| * edleafe thinks cdent is wobbling | 16:04 | |
| cdent | dtantsur: by template do you mean stub code or something less specific? | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | cdent: similar to cookiecutter | 16:05 |
| elmiko | dtantsur: well, some of this was in relation to how we encourage projects to use the pagination rfc stuff, like should we open bugs or ? | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | something, preparing the python code and one CRUD resource with eerything set up | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | major versions, microversions, discovery... | 16:05 |
| cdent | dtantsur: I'd be pretty leary of code, but a cookbook on what the code can do would be useful | 16:06 |
| elmiko | ooh, are you talking about a project template? | 16:06 |
| cdent | leery | 16:06 |
| * dtantsur opens google translate | 16:06 | |
| elmiko | cookbook ++, we went around the code template idea once before and it wasn't generally deemed worth it | 16:06 |
| elmiko | too many options, too many variables | 16:06 |
| cdent | and too many opinions | 16:07 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | actually, we may want to get into the business of chosing the recommended framework for new projects | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | and making sure it has enough libs for common stuff | 16:07 |
| edleafe | only cdent's opinion counts, thoguh | 16:07 |
| edleafe | though | 16:07 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:07 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: how do you mean? | 16:08 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: what would be an example? | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: e.g. "use Flask; use <this library> for Restful API, <this middleware> for microversions, plug keystonemiddleware this way" | 16:08 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: that sounds more like the stuff that the (now defunct) Architecture WG was focusing on | 16:09 |
| dtantsur | to me it sounds like something we could help with, even though it does grow our missing a tiny bit | 16:10 |
| cdent | edleafe: perhaps api-wg would not address such things, but the api-sig might | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | otherwise we have a lof of recommendations, but no practical help in implementing them.. | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | it can mean some understandable resistance | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | s/mean/meet/ WUT? | 16:10 |
| cdent | such advice would be something other than "guidance" | 16:11 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:11 |
| cdent | there's nothing new on api-schema is there? | 16:13 |
| elmiko | i had always thought that adding some code projects would help drive some traffic to the sig(ex. wg), but it never seemed to gain much traction | 16:13 |
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| elmiko | cdent: i don't think so, but i also don't know for sure | 16:14 |
| cdent | I think I just left it on the agenda as a reminder | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | so, do we have anything to record about encouragin projects to adopt the guidelines for things like pagination? | 16:14 |
| elmiko | last time we talked about opening bugs on projects that might need it, is this something we would pursue? | 16:15 |
| cdent | do you all agree that it is okay for them to sometimes be an openstack-wide goal? | 16:15 |
| cdent | or is that too stick-ish? | 16:15 |
| dtantsur | sometimes - yes | 16:15 |
| edleafe | elmiko: there's always this: https://goo.gl/images/KkRL2o | 16:15 |
| elmiko | man, that seems so heacy | 16:15 |
| elmiko | heavy* | 16:15 |
| elmiko | edleafe: LOL, not quite my style but yeah | 16:16 |
| edleafe | cdent: aren't goals supposed to be complete-able in one cycle? | 16:16 |
| elmiko | cdent: my question to that would be, if we say something is an openstack-wide goal (eg pagination either in headers or body), then how do we get buy-in from the community for our pronouncements? | 16:17 |
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| cdent | edleafe: yeah, thus why the pagination thing is just one thing | 16:17 |
| cdent | elmiko: the goal has to be approved by the tc and the tc won't approve it if there isn't perceived buy in | 16:17 |
| cdent | and if there isn't a champion to drive it | 16:17 |
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| elmiko | and would we need a separate process for declaring something a goal like that? | 16:18 |
| edleafe | cdent: yeah, that's what I thought | 16:18 |
| cdent | elmiko: we don't really do the declaring (unless we feel like it) see | 16:18 |
| elmiko | so, i'm ok with the openstack-wide goal if we have a higher body to help us (ie the tc) | 16:18 |
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| cdent | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html | 16:18 |
| edleafe | So saying "adding/correcting pagination links" is doable, but "conforming to the API guidelines" would not be | 16:18 |
| elmiko | i had not seen that page, given that i am ok with going forward on the goals | 16:19 |
| cdent | ? | 16:19 |
| cdent | we miss you in openstack elmiko | 16:19 |
| elmiko | <3 i miss y'all too =) | 16:20 |
| elmiko | ok, so for this week is it fair to say that we agree the sig will works towards identifying pieces of the guidelines with high impact that should be promoted to openstack-wide goals? | 16:21 |
| cdent | there's only two goal (usually) per cycle, so this is not a solution, simply a tool | 16:21 |
| elmiko | ah, gotcha | 16:22 |
| cdent | but it would be safe to say that we seem okay to use the tool | 16:22 |
| elmiko | still though, getting pagination fixed across the ecosystem in a single cycle would be a big accomplishment | 16:22 |
| cdent | yes | 16:22 |
| elmiko | ok then, moving along | 16:22 |
| elmiko | anyone wanna talk about health check apis? | 16:22 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-rocky-forum | 16:22 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sydney-cloud-native-partii | 16:23 |
| elmiko | (i'm not sure who added this) | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure from these links what we should talk about right now | 16:23 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:24 |
| cdent | sorry, that was me. | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i wasn't sure if we had an advocate in attendence | 16:24 |
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| cdent | there's work in progress to establish health check tools (things that make it easy to kill contiainers when not healthy) | 16:24 |
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| cdent | the api-sig has been invited to help define the api for the for that, so that the implementation is consistent across services | 16:25 |
| cdent | things like the same well known url | 16:25 |
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| cdent | there's an oslo-spec in progress | 16:25 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531456/ | 16:25 |
| cdent | i think it is suffering from internet over-engineering task force | 16:26 |
| cdent | but lays out some of the goals | 16:26 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 16:27 | |
| elmiko | i had not heard ioetf XD | 16:27 |
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| dtantsur | heh | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | I'd say this document should first appear in api-sig indeed | 16:27 |
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| cdent | the oslo-spec is mostly about the backend | 16:27 |
| cdent | but as the api-sig, we're under no obligation to only attend to documents in our domain, being active on that spec is desired and invited | 16:28 |
| edleafe | seems like there could be two parallel efforts: the oslo one to implement, and the api-sig to review and create the guidelines as needed | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | edleafe++ | 16:29 |
| * cdent nods | 16:30 | |
| dtantsur | yeah.. thought I'd still prefer the api-sig one to show up first | 16:30 |
| cdent | too late? :) | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | there are interesting things from our perspective that seem missing: like how to manage microversions? | 16:31 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | is it going to have separate microversions? the same as project? none? | 16:31 |
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| cdent | that, too, sounds like ioetf | 16:32 |
| cdent | this thing should answer yes, no, and maybe maybe | 16:32 |
| edleafe | I guess I would have to know more of the health check mechanisms to consider the need for versioning | 16:32 |
| cdent | reading the specs and the etherpads will help to illuminate some of the thinking, especially the comments on the spec will identify some of the different ideas | 16:33 |
| * dtantsur puts on his review list | 16:33 | |
| cdent | there are some preconceptions which could probably be adjusted usefully | 16:33 |
| elmiko | aside from the guidance about which libs to use and code stuff, i think this would really be nice to land as a guideline | 16:34 |
| elmiko | *assuming* that a concensus can be achieved | 16:34 |
| * elmiko is skimming over the review | 16:35 | |
| * cdent nods | 16:35 | |
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| elmiko | i realize we might not be as quick to react as the folks driving that review though, so i'm curious if there is a way for us to signal this intention to those folks and get their advice | 16:37 |
| edleafe | comment on the review? | 16:37 |
| cdent | just say so on the review | 16:37 |
| elmiko | that sounds way too reasonable | 16:38 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko add thoughts to health check review about becoming an api-sig guideline | 16:38 |
| edleafe | ok, then show up at their homes and bang on their doors | 16:38 |
| elmiko | sound good? | 16:38 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:38 |
| * edleafe likes being unreasonable | 16:38 | |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:38 |
| cdent | take that gun from earlier | 16:39 |
| dtantsur | hehe | 16:39 |
| elmiko | cdent: fair enough lol | 16:39 |
| elmiko | moving on... | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n, | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:40 |
| elmiko | there was that addition from mordred, anything else? | 16:40 |
| dtantsur | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532814/ :) | 16:40 |
| elmiko | ooh! | 16:40 |
| cdent | dtantsur's new thing is vera nice | 16:41 |
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| cdent | If dtantsur likes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531914/ we should probably freeze it? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | cdent: I haven't checked it yet, but you can freeze it. I will let you know if I really object :) | 16:41 |
| edleafe | freeze it, baby! | 16:42 |
| elmiko | frozen | 16:42 |
| elmiko | ok, and we need to do some reviews on dtantsur's | 16:43 |
| elmiko | well, i do at least | 16:43 |
| edleafe | yeah, I need to review, too | 16:43 |
| dtantsur | MOAR REVIEWS \o/ | 16:43 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:43 |
| elmiko | #topic bug review | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:44 | |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:44 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig | 16:44 |
| elmiko | anything new here? | 16:44 |
| cdent | no sir | 16:44 |
| elmiko | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:45 |
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| elmiko | volunteers? | 16:45 |
| cdent | it's been a while since I have, so... me? | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i'm cool with that, i have a preso after this meeting anyways | 16:45 |
| cdent | I'll go sit somewhere, so I can actually type | 16:45 |
| * edleafe pats cdent on the back | 16:46 | |
| elmiko | for completeness | 16:46 |
| cdent | I know, right? | 16:46 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:46 |
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| elmiko | alrighty then, any last comments? | 16:46 |
| cdent | I'll ping when I have something to review | 16:46 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:46 |
| elmiko | ok, we get back 14 minutes. thanks all! =) | 16:46 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 16:47:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-11-15.59.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-11-15.59.txt | 16:47 |
| cdent | thanks | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-01-11-15.59.log.html | 16:47 |
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