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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  8 14:00:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'14:00
toskyo/14:00
shuyingyao/14:01
jeremyfreudbergo/14:01
tellesnobregawe are all here14:02
tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:02
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tellesnobregaYesterday we started our doc review, I wrote a small fix for some simple stuff and we have an etherpad going on more complex stuff14:03
tellesnobrega#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-rocky-doc14:03
tellesnobregaother than that, I need to cut RC1 today, so if we need any patches merged today, please make a list here so we can focus on reviewing them14:04
jeremyfreudbergmy update is exactly that: both my of my final 2 outstaning patches are done, and should be part of RC114:04
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shuyingyatake some time to test the dependency question we discussed last week but have no conclusion right now. I think it is OK to merge that patch first.At least, it works.14:06
tellesnobregagreat14:06
tellesnobregafor both14:06
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya: I think that's fine. Good that it works14:07
shuyingyaand image build patch required packages from sahara-extra14:07
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, your patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522990/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536683/ , right?14:07
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, yes14:08
shuyingyatellesnobrega, sorry for that I didn't response your ping last night.14:08
shuyingyaI am not around compute actually.14:09
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tellesnobregashuyingya, no worries, it was probably to late14:10
tellesnobregatosky, any news from you?14:10
toskyno many updates from me, I'm fighting with ambari, we may need to do a workaround for fixing it on rhel7/centos714:10
tellesnobregahmm, that is too bad, let me know if if you need my help14:11
toskyaaaand two zuul v3 jobs are ready to be merged (sahara-tests, with the caveat of non-working multinode jobs, and python-saharaclient)14:11
tellesnobregaawesome14:12
tellesnobrega#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518754/14:12
tellesnobrega#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512058/14:12
tellesnobregaany more updates?14:13
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jeremyfreudbergnone from me14:14
shuyingyanope14:14
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tellesnobregalets move on14:15
tellesnobrega#topic PTL election14:16
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tellesnobregaas we talked about, no one else came up to run, so I will be serving as PTL this cycle again14:16
shuyingya\o/14:17
tellesnobregaI appreciate the trust you have put on me again, and I hope that I can do a better job this cycle14:17
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tellesnobregathat is all on that I guess14:17
shuyingyacongratulations and thanks :-)14:17
tellesnobregathanks :)14:17
tellesnobrega#topic Dublin PTG14:18
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tellesnobregawe are almost all set for PTG, we got lots of topics there14:18
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tellesnobregaI will start working on a schedule so we can make the best of it14:19
toskyis there anything that we should check in the cross-team sessions? I will check QA sessions for multinode and grenade jobs, but maybe there is more to check14:19
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, remind me what time your flight is on the friday? i recall, early afternoon?14:20
tellesnobrega17:4014:20
tellesnobregaso I will have to leave after lunch14:20
jeremyfreudbergwe'll work hard up until then14:21
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tellesnobregayeap, early morning (thinking on starting at 4 am)14:21
tellesnobregajust kidding :)14:21
jeremyfreudberglol14:21
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, if you have topics that you feel that you strongly need to be there, please make a note at the PTG etherpad so I can schedule it to friday14:22
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, of course, will do14:22
jeremyfreudbergtosky: depending on what the goals are, your attendance at the goal helproom is most useful14:23
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tellesnobregaI will try to be at the goals meetings as well14:24
toskyI have to check the time: I will arrive at the closing time of work for Monday, so I will skip the sessions of the first day14:26
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, tosky if you find something very important on monday that you want me to check let me know and I will be there14:27
tellesnobregaalso shuyingya14:27
toskylet's see when the schedule is finalized - right now we can only see the rooms14:28
tellesnobregayes14:28
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, i went through and marked topics which would need to have most of their discussion on friday14:29
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tellesnobregathanks14:29
jeremyfreudbergand probably the topics which you cover on thursday you can do quick 1-minute replays of for me on friday as well14:29
jeremyfreudbergand i can add my input where needed14:30
tellesnobregayes, for sure14:30
tellesnobregathis way we can have optimum time usage14:30
jeremyfreudbergyup14:31
toskywhere did mark the topics? On the etherpad?14:31
jeremyfreudbergtosky: on the etherpad14:32
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tellesnobregaI guess we can move on14:34
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion14:34
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jeremyfreudbergwell, you saw that on the patch to release sahara 7.0.1 i attempted to ask tony about whether or not backporting the s3_hadoop patch as it is fits with the stable policy14:35
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jeremyfreudbergprobably would be good to make sure it's okay so we don't get stuck14:36
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tellesnobregaI don't see any issue with backporting that, but I will ask14:37
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, i don't think there will be an issue either, just like to be sure14:38
jeremyfreudberganother topic14:38
jeremyfreudbergis14:38
jeremyfreudbergwhich of shuyingya's open patches need to be merged in queens, if any14:39
jeremyfreudbergi think for sahara-extra they can go into rocky if needed, since that's just building artifacts14:40
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shuyingyaI think the patch related to vanilla upgrade is necessary14:40
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jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, you mean the 2.8.2 image building?14:40
shuyingyayes, but image building required sahara-extra patches14:41
jeremyfreudbergoh i understand now - there is dependency (we have to build the artifacts, for the image build to work)14:41
shuyingyayep. so the image build I give a workflow -1 first14:41
tellesnobregashuyingya, this one should be in?14:42
tellesnobregahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/542184/14:42
tellesnobregaalong side the sahara-extra one?14:43
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shuyingyaIf someone want to start up a vanilla 2.8.2 cluster. But if they are merged in Rocky. how to build image?14:44
shuyingyaI don't know the release rule acctually14:44
tellesnobregaI'm all for merging them now, if they are ready14:45
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, we tell them to clone the repo from git. but that's not a perfect idea. it would be nice if we can get them into Queens14:45
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shuyingyatellesnobrega, I think it is not ready for image-build14:45
toskyin order to build the image, do we need to define the question on the usage of tarballs.openstack.org/sahara vs tarballs.openstack.org/sahara-extra ?14:46
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shuyingyabecause we still decide where to store the building artifacts14:46
shuyingyayes, as tosky said.14:46
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* tosky looks at mordred for news on the decision14:46
mordreduhoh14:47
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* tosky screams in desperation14:48
qwebirc12423hi everyone14:48
tellesnobregashuyingya, we still have until march 1st to cut final release, if nothing changes we will have to wait until rocky14:48
tellesnobregaqwebirc12423, hey, what can we do for you?14:48
qwebirc12423i am not sure if this is the right place14:49
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tellesnobregaqwebirc12423, right now we are at a sahara team meeting, so it is the right place for sahara question, but we will finish in maximum 11 minutes, so if it is something complicated I suggest #openstack-sahara14:50
qwebirc12423i'm working with tripleo queens release and i saw that heat dashboard in horizion is removed14:50
tellesnobregaqwebirc12423, definitely not the right place right now14:50
qwebirc12423ok..so sorry14:51
tellesnobregano worries14:51
tellesnobrega#heat14:51
tellesnobrega#openstack-tripleo should be helpful for you14:51
tellesnobregashuyingya, jeremyfreudberg, tosky any more discussion topics?14:51
toskynothing from me14:51
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shuyingyatellesnobrega I think it doesn't have too much negative affect if we merge them in R14:51
tellesnobregashuyingya, to be sure, sahara-extra patch is ready to merge right?14:52
shuyingyayes.14:52
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tellesnobregaok14:52
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya: but we will still try for Queens? or no?14:53
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shuyingyaI would not. If we merge them in R. I will have more time to find the truth of oozie issue14:54
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tellesnobregashuyingya, you did vanilla 2.8.2 on the sahara side right?14:55
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shuyingyawhat's mean?14:56
jeremyfreudbergin the main sahara repo, he means14:56
tellesnobregaexactly14:56
shuyingyayes.14:56
jeremyfreudbergand the answer is yes14:56
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tellesnobregaok, I would like to see the image generation for that as well in queens14:56
tellesnobregaso we have full support14:57
shuyingya:) hopefully14:57
tellesnobregathanks14:57
tellesnobregalet me know if you need help14:57
shuyingyaby the way, I will not attend next weekly meeting14:57
tellesnobregaok14:57
jeremyfreudbergshuyingya, no problem14:57
shuyingyanext Thursday is Chinese traditional new yea14:58
shuyingyayear14:58
tellesnobregahappy new year in advance14:58
shuyingya:)14:58
shuyingyathanks14:58
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jeremyfreudbergalright, i guess we can wrap up the meeting14:59
tellesnobregai guess we can close the meeting now14:59
tellesnobregathanks all14:59
shuyingyathanks14:59
shuyingyasee you14:59
tellesnobregaI will cut RC1, so please review those patches mentioned earlier14:59
tellesnobregasee you all14:59
tellesnobrega#endmeeting14:59
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Feb  8 14:59:45 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:59
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  8 15:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
Swamihi15:00
mlavalleheey!15:00
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mlavallenice to see you!15:00
mlavalle:-)15:00
mlavalleeverything ok?15:00
Swamieverything is fine, as I mentioned busy with downstream work15:01
haleybo/15:01
mlavalleyeah, that's what we figured15:01
david_chou1o/15:01
mlavalleHi everybody15:02
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mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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mlavalleWe've been working on out RC1:15:03
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mlavalle#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/queens-rc115:03
mlavalleThe good news is that most of what we targeted for RC1 is merged :-)15:04
mlavalleThe bad news is that the bug at the top of the list is a nasty one15:04
haleybmlavalle: i have another one to possibly add, small change, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521199/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/172866515:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1728665 in neutron "Removing gateway ip for tenant network (DVR) causes traceback in neutron-openvswitch-agent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:04
haleybSwami: can you look at my comment in that review ^^ ?15:05
haleybi've seen this downstream now too and there is no recovery15:05
Swamihaleyb: sure15:05
mlavallehaleyb: how critical is it?15:05
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mlavalleis it back portable?15:06
haleybmlavalle: yes, it's backportable15:06
mlavalleso, I will take a look at it at the end of the meeting15:06
haleybmlavalle: ack, thanks15:07
mlavalleahhh, I remember that one15:07
mlavallelet's see what Swami thinks15:07
Swamican you also add this one to the list https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532683/15:07
mlavalleand based on that we may try to merge it15:07
Swamiand also this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525842/15:08
mlavalleSwami: are these two backportable?15:08
SwamiThey both are simple fixes for the centralized fip.15:08
SwamiYes they are.15:08
mlavalleok, if we have a RC2 anyway, we may target them for it15:09
mlavallemakes sense15:09
mlavallethat way we don't rush them15:09
Swamisure no problem15:09
mlavallewe are planning to cut RC1 tonight15:09
mlavalleNext announcement is that we are in PTL election period:15:10
mlavallehttps://governance.openstack.org/election/15:10
mlavalleThe bad news is that you guys are stuck with me for another cycle15:10
Swamimlavalle: It is good news, isn't it.15:11
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mlavalleit is for me indeed :-)15:12
mlavalleI enjoy very much working with this great team15:12
haleybmlavalle: good luck for another cycle!15:12
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mlavalleas I said in my nomination message, these 5 years working in Neutron have been the best of my career, mostly thanks to you guys :-)15:13
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mlavalleFinally, remember that the PTG is around the corner15:14
mlavalleIf you have topics that need to be discussed, please add them to the etherpad:15:14
mlavalle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-rocky15:14
mlavalleI will be putting together the agenda over the next few days15:14
mlavalleand I might ping you for advice15:15
mlavalleAny other announcements?15:15
mlavalleok, let's move on15:16
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:16
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mlavalleSwami: take it away, please15:16
Swamimlavalle: thanks15:16
SwamiDid not see any new bugs this week.15:17
Swamihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/174141115:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1741411 in neutron "Centralized floating ip Error status" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:17
SwamiThis is one the reviews that I posted above.15:17
mlavalleok15:17
Swamihttps://review.openstack.org/53268315:18
SwamiThe next one is the15:18
Swamihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/173606815:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1736068 in neutron "DVR lost centralized floating ip when the ha state switched." [High,In progress] - Assigned to sunzuohua (zuohuasun)15:18
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SwamiThis also has a patch for review.15:18
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Swamihttps://review.openstack.org/52584215:19
Swamihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/174045015:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1740450 in neutron "Restarting l3 agent results in lost of centralized fip in snat ns" [Undecided,New]15:19
SwamiThis bug is still under triage. I think based on the input from zuohuasun, it seems that there might be an issue with the keepalived instance .15:20
SwamiI will take a look at it.15:20
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Swamihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171730215:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley)15:20
SwamiThis is the tempest failure and this is still under my radar. I will soon try to resolve it.15:21
haleybi am still reproducing that, i might set something up externally for multinode instead of my private setup15:21
Swamihaleyb: yesterday I saw someone comment on the metering and dvr, is there a bug filed for it. Is it a new one or a old one.15:21
Swamihaleyb: thanks I was about to ask.15:22
haleybSwami: i don't think there is a bug, just that old review15:22
Swamihaleyb: ok no problem.15:22
haleybi'm not sure if he said it fixed the problem15:22
Swamihaleyb: ok15:22
Swamimlavalle: that's all I had for today's discussion.15:22
Swamimlavalle: back to you15:22
SwamiI will continue my work with octavia15:23
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mlavalleSwami: thanks you. we hope to see you more of you in the future :-)15:23
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Swamimlavalle: sure I will15:23
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mlavalledo I need to go fight jonhsonm for your time?15:23
mlavallejust kidding :-)15:24
Swamimlavalle: no he is not pulling me in. I volunteered.15:24
mlavalleLOL15:24
SwamiOk, I need to quit. See you bye15:24
mlavallebye15:25
mlavalle#topic DVR openflow15:25
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mlavalledavid_chou1: go ahead15:25
david_chou1Still working on the fix for ovs-dpdk with dvr_openflow in patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472289/15:26
david_chou1Not much progress15:26
mlavalleok, cool, keep us posted15:27
david_chou1That's all I have today.15:27
mlavallemoving on15:27
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:27
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mlavalleLet's keep it short today15:27
mlavallelet's go work on RC1 and those patches that we may want to add15:28
mlavalleany topic we should discuss before that?15:28
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haleybmlavalle: ack, i'm already doing reviews.  is there anything on the rc1 list that needs help?15:28
mlavallehaleyb: we are going to need eyes here at some point in time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/174699615:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1746996 in neutron "bagpipe: IPAllocation DB query failing, engine facade mismatch" [High,Confirmed]15:29
mlavalleI'll go talk to ihrachys and tmorin in channel15:30
mlavallejust keep an eye on it15:30
haleybok, that engine facade change has grown15:30
mlavallethe patch is this one:15:31
mlavalle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541512/15:31
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mlavalleyeah, it grew up since yesterday15:31
haleybyes, that one15:31
mlavalleso let's keep an eye on it15:32
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mlavalleand help where we can15:32
mlavallewe are definitely going to need a RC215:32
mlavallehaleyb: ^^^^15:32
mlavalleso don't rush the patches we talked about during the meeting15:33
haleybhaleyb is now known as turtle_haleyb15:33
mlavalleLOL15:33
mlavallethanks :-)15:33
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haleybnp15:34
mlavalleThanks for attending the meeting15:34
mlavalle#endmeeting15:34
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elmiko#startmeeting api sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  8 16:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_sig'16:00
elmiko#chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:00
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda16:00
dtantsuro/16:00
edleafe\o16:00
cdentoh hi16:00
elmiko#topic previous meeting action items16:00
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elmiko#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/16:01
elmikoonly action item was for edleafe, any status on that?16:01
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edleafeyeah, I replied, and got the usual response16:01
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elmikoack16:02
edleafelemme get the link16:02
elmikothanks16:02
edleafe#link edleafe email reply on REST APIs: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/126891.html16:02
elmikook, so i guess we'll just watch and see16:03
cdentgiven copious time we could probably have a rousing discussion (on list) about all the various reasons and probably bring some people into the church (and scare others) but copious time? not so much16:03
edleafeIt's hard to deal with "REST is a very loose standard" POV16:03
elmiko++16:03
elmikoi know we've talked about discussing this at the ptg, any of you think it will make the nova agenda?16:04
edleafecdent: In the process of writing that,  I couldn't find a guideline that explicitly says the REST is the way to do APIs16:04
elmikoor cinder for that matter16:04
elmikoooh, the meta-guideline guideline16:04
cdentedleafe: I've resisted us stating that because we have no examples. None of the existing apis are "high" REST16:04
cdentI much prefer that we state they are HTTP APIs16:05
edleafeelmiko: not likely for nova16:05
cdentthat are resource oriented16:05
cdentnova has big backlog ...16:05
elmikoack16:05
cdent(but see later link in bugs topic)16:05
elmikothis is pretty minor for them i take it?16:05
edleafecdent: I think we should be at least clear that REST == HTTP16:05
elmiko++16:06
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* cdent shrugs16:06
* dtantsur sometimes wishes we just used JSON RPC16:06
cdentI think it just invites nitpicking16:06
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elmikolol16:07
cdentBecause I was tempted to nitpick your statement...16:07
elmikocdent: agreed about inviting nitpicking16:07
edleafecdent: but nitpickis what you do best!16:07
* elmiko chuckles16:07
elmiko#topic open mic and ongoing or new biz16:08
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elmikonothing on the agenda, any topics folks wish to bring up?16:08
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edleafenada from me16:08
elmikoi am a go for ptg btw, got my tickets and hotel res16:08
cdenti suppose ptg agenda ought to be a thing16:08
dtantsur\o/16:08
cdentelmiko: woot!16:08
elmiko=)16:08
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* dtantsur still waits for a visa decision16:08
edleafeoh, wait16:08
elmikonext question, is there any sort of discount code available for the ptg reg?16:09
edleafedo we want a group picture at PTG?16:09
* edleafe doesn't16:09
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elmikoi'm amenable to a group pic16:09
cdentno pic16:09
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dtantsurelmiko: IIRC PTG costs what it costs16:09
elmikodtantsur: ack, thanks16:09
edleafeelmiko: yeah, the discount is for PTG attendees to go to Summit16:10
elmikoahhh, ok16:10
elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-ptg-rocky16:11
elmikoi haven't checked recently, anything new here?16:11
cdentno16:12
elmikoseems like a good start for topics16:12
dtantsurwe have on topic with "microversion" in its title, it can take the whole day with ease16:12
elmikotrue dat16:12
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elmikoi think we should add a review topic with regards to our interactions with the sdk/user-committee folks16:13
elmikoit's something that seemed big last time, would be nice to do a retrospective16:13
edleafeelmiko: +116:14
dtantsur"have we made any?" good question to start with :)16:14
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cdentyeah, makes sense. media choice a factor probalby. but I also think none of us are very devoted lately due to other obligations16:14
elmikowell, and i don't want it to be an issue for just us16:15
dtantsuryep16:15
qwebirc40453hello guys16:15
elmikolike, in denver the sdk/user folks seemed eager to join what is happening16:15
dtantsuron the bright side, I'm probably no longer a PTL :) so I should have more time16:15
qwebirc40453is it heat place?16:15
elmikoqwebirc40453: this is the api-sig meeting16:15
dtantsurqwebirc40453: hi, nope16:15
elmikodtantsur: heh, congrats? ;)16:15
dtantsurqwebirc40453: are you looking for #openstack-heat or some meeting?16:16
dtantsurelmiko: \o/16:16
qwebirc40453someone can help how to find heat ?16:16
elmikoqwebirc40453: join #openstack-heat16:16
cdentdtantsur: if you get more time can you share it around please?16:16
edleafeqwebirc40453: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ has a list of all IRC meetings16:17
dtantsurheh16:17
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elmikoanything else about ptg?16:18
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cdentnaw mate16:18
elmiko#topic guidelines16:19
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elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:19
elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z16:19
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elmikolooks like dtantsur's still needs some mods16:20
dtantsurmaybe, I haven't looked into recent comments16:20
elmikoi have not read Gilles, any thoughts on that one?16:20
dtantsurend-of-queens release drill16:20
elmikoseems like the api schema thing is a much heavier doc that i expected16:21
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elmikoalthough, this does circle the wadl/openapi/etc bowl again16:22
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cdentyes16:22
edleafeIt did feel a bit SOAP-y16:22
cdentbasically, I think the gist is that gilles is doing a thing and his life would be easier if it were official16:23
mugsieGilles is asking me to update the yaml thing in os-api-ref, but I don't think I will be putting much more time into it without more than just gilles asking for it16:23
cdentbut few other people are motivated for it to be a thing16:23
cdentjinx-ish16:23
mugsie:)16:23
edleafecdent: the question for me is should we be making this a OpenStack-wide suggestion?16:23
cdentI personally don't think so16:24
edleafeIOW, are we taking the position that all APIs should have this sort of schema?16:24
elmikoand doesn't this also hit on the fact that openapi is not going to work for microversions?16:24
cdentBut I don't want my biases to be too controllking (only somewhat)16:24
edleafeelmiko: good point16:24
mugsieedleafe: well, the plugin allows any project using the api-ref to have one, but ymmv with how useful; it is16:24
elmikowas there ever any discussion about using openapi for the current version only?16:25
cdentelmiko: in a microversion environment does "current version" mean anything16:25
cdentespecially in a world where time's arrow is not reliable16:25
elmikocdent: maybe tip or master is a better way to put it16:25
cdent(time's arrow weirdness is the whole reason for microversions)16:25
elmikoright16:25
elmikobut there is a version at the head of the arrow16:26
cdentelmiko: who would use that? deployments aren't master...16:26
elmikoyeah, good point16:26
cdentthe goal, from gilles, is being able to create client code that works against real deployments16:26
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elmikoi love this topic as an academic point, but it always feels like we will never have something that is openstack-wide16:26
elmikocdent: i just don't see how we enshrine that without creating a new standard schema or something that covers the uniqueness of openstack apis (read: microversions)16:27
elmikoi'm gonna add this as a stretch topic for ptg, if Gilles is there it might be worth exploring more16:28
cdentYeah, me neither, which is part of why I tend to not care about it. But I also don't care about it because I prefer artisinal client code, made by real hipsters16:28
elmikoL O L16:28
cdentyeah, that makes sense16:28
elmikothat is the best16:28
elmikocdent: qotd material right there16:29
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cdentyou can have that one for free16:29
edleafehttps://twitter.com/EdLeafe/status/96163822883830579516:30
elmikoedleafe++16:31
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elmikook, so looks like nothing ready for freeze16:31
elmikoand nothing frozen16:31
elmiko#topic bug review16:31
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elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:31
elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig16:32
elmikolooks like we have a topic here about a caching bug in nova16:32
elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174793516:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1747935 in openstack-api-sig "Openstack APIs and RFC 7234 HTTP caching" [Medium,Confirmed]16:32
elmikoanyone here to champion this?16:32
cdentoh, I did that16:33
cdentI wanted to draw attention to it because there seems to be some disagreement on a) whether it counts as a bug16:33
cdentb) what guidance on it would mean16:33
edleafeYeah, good points16:34
edleafeI also disagree with the need for a new version16:34
edleafeIf a consumer is not getting the requested information, that's a bug16:34
* cdent nods16:35
dtantsurI think flows in fundamental HTTP implementation bits should be bugs indeed16:35
* dtantsur wonders if ironic is affected by the same16:35
mugsiedtantsur:  would say nearly all projects are16:36
dtantsurthen we certainly should mention it somewhere in our guidelines16:36
edleafedtantsur: +116:36
elmikoi tend to agree with dtantsur16:37
cdentwhen I first joined the api-wg I mentioned a lot of this stuff and at that time it was considered a non-problem compared to the existing problems16:37
cdentI would guess that we've come far enough to start getting into these kinds of details16:37
cdentespecially as we've got a real bug16:37
elmiko++16:37
cdent(which I'm incredibly grateful for)16:38
edleafeprogress!16:38
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cdentif anyone, besides me, would like to weigh in on the bug that it is in fact a bug the original author will be grateful16:39
cdenthe wrote to me prviately to express "what do I do now?" frustration16:40
elmikoack16:41
edleafeI'm afraid that Sylvain will ignore me; having someone else reply would probably be a bit more convincing16:41
elmikoi can reply16:41
elmikounless dtantsur wants to16:41
elmikoor maybe we both should?16:41
dtantsurI can, sure16:42
elmiko#action dtantsur reply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174793516:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1747935 in openstack-api-sig "Openstack APIs and RFC 7234 HTTP caching" [Medium,Confirmed]16:42
cdentthanks everyone16:42
elmiko#action elmiko reploy to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/174793516:42
elmikoreploy!16:43
elmikojust want to note, that it's nice to see our bug list shring a little bit16:43
elmikois there anything we can do to help reduce those bugs? (i have not looked in awhile)16:43
elmikoit looks like many of them will require deeper discussion than just pushing a quick fix16:44
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edleafeelmiko: IIRC, many of them are TODOs16:44
elmikoyeah16:45
elmikook, cool16:45
cdentand we have no spoons16:45
elmiko#topic weekly newsletter16:45
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elmikovolunteers?16:45
elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter16:45
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cdentI guess it's been awhile since I have16:45
elmikoi can do it, but it will have to wait until my next meeting16:46
edleafeIt's been a while for me too16:46
dtantsurI can do it after dinner16:46
elmikowe need a random-bot for this XD16:46
edleafeI'll do it16:46
cdentit's pretty cool the way we wall waited about 30 seconds and then boom16:46
cdentthanks edleafe !16:46
elmikoLOL16:46
edleafecdent already does too many newsletters16:46
dtantsurhehe16:46
elmikothanks edleafe !16:46
cdentI totally need another newsletter to secure my future16:46
elmiko++16:46
edleafethe wait wasn't intentional - split focus is to blame16:47
elmikoany last minute words of wisdom or cool jokes to share?16:47
cdentonly in the sense of open biz gossip16:47
dtantsurI can complain about nova API16:47
dtantsurif you want to :)16:47
elmikohmm, maybe we should end this16:47
cdentI've been doing some experimentation with placement lately and I can make some observations16:47
elmikoi saw your blog post, interesting read16:48
cdentthere's more to come16:48
* dtantsur was cursing people while working on rust-openstack16:48
edleafeYeah, I'll ping when the newsletter is ready for review16:48
elmikoi didn't quite understand it all, but i'm curious cdent16:48
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dtantsurlink?16:48
cdentbut from an api-sig standpoint: it is _way_ fast16:48
elmikodtantsur: rust-openstack++16:48
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cdentdtantsur: here is a starting point (pointing back to earlier posts): https://anticdent.org/placement-container-playground-2.html16:48
dtantsurthanks cdent16:48
elmikodtantsur: link for where i get started on rust-openstack?16:49
cdentit is _way_ faster than the nova api16:49
elmikothat's interesting16:49
cdentit's because it does so little16:49
dtantsurelmiko: it's very early alpha, all I have is https://github.com/dtantsur/rust-openstack16:49
elmikodtantsur++16:49
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dtantsurelmiko: I want to get it to 0.1 by the PTG, then people can actually hack on it and play with it16:50
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cdentIn my efforts to break stuff I keep breaing everything else.16:50
dtantsurbut I'm mostly done with breaking changes already16:50
elmikodtantsur: very cool!16:50
elmikocdent: lol16:50
cdentis awesome to see rusty things16:50
elmikoagreed =)16:50
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dtantsurbtw I could use input on https://github.com/dtantsur/rust-openstack/issues/1016:50
dtantsurthis is where I track the proposed API design16:51
edleafeSo much breakage!16:51
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elmikoand see, we're talking about sdk things!16:51
elmiko;)16:51
dtantsur\o/16:51
elmikook, have a good weekend all o/16:51
dtantsur\o16:51
elmiko#endmeeting16:52
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* tbachman looks around18:00
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tbachmanhi annakk!18:00
tbachmanhi rkukura !18:00
rkukurahi18:00
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annakkhi!18:02
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam is on his way18:03
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: rkukura annakk: hi18:04
SumitNaiksatamsorry colloquy issues18:04
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:04
annakkhi!18:04
rkukurahi SumitNaiksatam18:04
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  8 18:05:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:05
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)"18:05
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy'18:05
SumitNaiksatamnot much of an agenda from me today18:05
SumitNaiksatamperhaps just the talk submission?18:05
SumitNaiksatamannakk: did you submit it?18:05
annakknot yet18:05
annakkplanning after the meeting?18:06
SumitNaiksatamannakk: sure18:06
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman: your thoughts on the email thread?18:06
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: looks good!18:06
annakkjust sent a update18:06
rkukuraI have a couple minor suggestions18:06
SumitNaiksatamannakk: thanks18:06
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sure18:07
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rkukuraOne would be to mention that there is a generic solution along with the NSX and ACI solutions18:07
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: oh yeah of course, very good point18:07
SumitNaiksatamtaken for granted :-)18:08
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rkukurait might make more sense to say “several years” instead of “several cycles”18:08
SumitNaiksatami agree18:09
rkukuramakes it sound more mature18:09
annakkok :)18:09
SumitNaiksatamagree18:09
rkukuralast is that I’m wondering if we should make any mention of discussing GBPs status within OpenStack, or if we are better off ignoring that18:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: my feeling is that we are better of ignoring that since at this point we dont have any concrete to state18:10
annakkI don't know.. it might draw attention18:10
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SumitNaiksatami believe the abstract can be slighlty altered if accepted18:10
SumitNaiksatamso if things change, we might have a chance to do that a little bit later as well18:11
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annakkthat's good to know18:11
SumitNaiksatamany -> anything18:11
SumitNaiksatamannakk: in the past you could update your abstract, and also swap authors/presenters18:11
SumitNaiksatamof course not substatially/materially change the talk itself :-)18:12
SumitNaiksatami wanted to throw “materially” there18:12
annakkbut if GBP supports IoT by then we'll be able to include it :)18:12
rkukuraif we could come up with some very subtle way to refer to “becoming official” within the roadmap, it might help18:12
SumitNaiksatambeen hearing a lot of legal speak on TV for the past days :-)18:12
SumitNaiksatamannakk: i think we would be18:13
rkukuraI’m a bit concerned about reviewers of the abstract dismissing GBP because it is not an official project, so mentioning that might make it more relevant to them18:13
SumitNaiksatamannakk: although if you have plans to do that, you can perhaps mention that is something that is in the works?18:13
annakkSumitNaiksatam: I thought it was a joke, but who knows :)18:13
rkukuraIoT and ML18:14
tbachmanBlockchain18:14
SumitNaiksatamand i was just typing that you should be committed to doing it :-)18:14
annakkservice mash!18:14
tbachmanlol18:14
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tbachmanwe need to rename our project18:14
annakkblockchain was in syndey summit btw18:14
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: +118:14
tbachmanlol18:14
SumitNaiksatam“service meshed block chain of internet of things”18:15
tbachmanGroupBasedPolicyContainerizedBlockchainwithSmartContractsServiceMeshing18:15
annakk:)18:15
SumitNaiksatamthere you go18:15
tbachmanOh, left off IoT18:15
SumitNaiksatamwe can wrap early if nothing more to discuss18:16
tbachmanwe are the networking analog of self-driving marketing18:16
SumitNaiksatamannakk: thanks for working on the abstract18:16
tbachmanannakk: yeah, huge thanks!18:16
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: lol18:16
rkukuradid we decide on which authors to list?18:16
SumitNaiksatamannakk: did you decide ^^^ ?18:17
annakkno, but Sumit suggests Gary should be there as an openstack dinasour18:17
annakkand Sumit18:17
tbachmanheh18:17
tbachman“Sage"18:17
SumitNaiksatamannakk: lol, thanks for attributing that to me :-)18:17
SumitNaiksatami hope gary is not listening18:18
annakk:)18:18
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* tbachman tabs for auto-complete on gar18:18
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: me doing the same18:18
SumitNaiksatamthere are bunch of them :-)18:18
rkukurahey - I was interviewed gary for his 1st OpenStack job18:18
rkukuras/I was interviewed/I interviewed/18:19
annakkoh! then s/gary/rkukura18:19
tbachmanrkukura: are you trying to claim the throne?18:19
SumitNaiksatamannakk: rotfl18:19
rkukuraclosest to extinct?18:19
tbachmanlol18:19
tbachman“elder statesman"18:19
SumitNaiksatammy involvement in openstack/neutron preceedes all of you18:19
SumitNaiksatami should get out of here18:19
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam, annakk, and garyk probably makes most sense18:19
SumitNaiksatamfor sure18:19
tbachmanlol18:19
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: you may be right18:20
SumitNaiksatami think we can swap the authors later18:20
rkukuraI started during the week of the essex summit18:20
SumitNaiksatami started in cactus/diablo18:20
SumitNaiksatamshould not have mentioned that!18:21
rkukuratricked you18:21
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SumitNaiksatamyeah, you got me18:21
tbachmanpre-quantum even18:21
SumitNaiksatamnova-networking days18:21
tbachmanlol18:21
SumitNaiksatamanyway, annakk please feel free to ping us on the email thread if you need further help18:22
annakkok, sure18:22
tbachmanjust a quick question — has anyone recently tried building top-of-tree master with a clean setup?18:22
SumitNaiksatamyou mean UTs?18:22
* tbachman is getting a weird problem with tox18:22
tbachmanyeah18:22
tbachman  Cloning https://github.com/noironetworks/python-opflex-agent.git (to master) to ./.tox/py27/src/python-opflexagent-agent18:23
tbachmanfatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/noironetworks/python-opflex-agent.git/': Could not resolve host: github.com18:23
tbachmanCommand "git clone -q https://github.com/noironetworks/python-opflex-agent.git /home/vagrant/work/openstack/upstream/group-based-policy/.tox/py27/src/python-opflexagent-agent" failed with error code 128 in None18:23
rkukuraI ran tox last night with current master plus my current branch18:23
SumitNaiksatamlet me fire off in the upstream test patch18:23
tbachmanneed to clear out .tox, etc.18:23
tbachmanI can do it from a command line by itself18:23
tbachmanwhich is what’s weird18:23
rkukurayes, I had to clear out .tox because of changes in AIM18:23
tbachmank18:23
tbachmanwill have to go figure this one out18:24
SumitNaiksatamjust rebased the test patch, lets see18:24
rkukuraactually, I may be seeing issues18:24
SumitNaiksatamoh18:24
rkukuratwo AIM UTs had failed, thought it was timeouts, but need to investigate18:24
SumitNaiksatamits possible that AIM might have broken us18:25
SumitNaiksatamits happened in the past :-(18:25
SumitNaiksatamwont jump to conclusions though18:25
SumitNaiksatamlets watch the upstream test patch as well18:25
SumitNaiksatamalrighty, thanks all18:25
SumitNaiksatambye until next week!18:26
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: bye!18:26
rkukuraI had rerun the AIM UTs, and now 5 failed :(18:26
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:26
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: darn18:26
annakkbye!18:26
rkukurabye!18:26
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