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| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
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| openstack | alexchadin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | alexchadin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | alexchadin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 14:01:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-02-20-16.02.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-02-20-16.02.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets/2018/oslo_config_plaintext_secrets.2018-02-20-16.02.log.html | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 21 14:01:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
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| alexchadin | hi | 14:02 |
| alexchadin | Our agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#02.2F21.2F2018 | 14:03 |
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| hidekazu | hi | 14:04 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: hi | 14:04 |
| adisky__ | Hi | 14:05 |
| watanabe_isao | Hello, all. Good night. | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:05 | |
| alexchadin | PTG takes a place on the next week! Time to choose our time to start discussions. | 14:05 |
| hidekazu | i would go to ptg! | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | I propose to start at 9:00 | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | 9:00 UTC | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: watanabe_isao your time will be JPN? | 14:07 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i go to dublin. | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: oh, you will! | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | nice! | 14:08 |
| adisky__ | hidekazu:great, me too joining | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | adisky__ hidekazu congrats! | 14:09 |
| watanabe_isao | alexchadin, 9UTC should be 18 JPT. I can join that at that time. | 14:09 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: it was very hard to convince. | 14:09 |
| watanabe_isao | hidekazu, good for you. | 14:09 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: because it's PTG, not summit? | 14:09 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yeah, i should go to ptg, because i am developer | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu adisky__ then we need to make a watcher dinner! | 14:11 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: it would be great :) | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | well, back to the time: 9:00 UTC seems good for all of us? | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | We need to make a decision about messenger to communicate during PTG. There are some proposals: Slack, Telegram (+1 from me), GroupMe. | 14:16 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: personally i do not know Telegram. | 14:16 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: 9:00 UTC means 9AM as per Ireland standard time | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | adisky__: yes | 14:17 |
| watanabe_isao | First time to hear Telegram, too. | 14:17 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: why can't we use irc as we use now? | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: we can use GroupMe like we did it before | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: cause we need to communicate ASAP | 14:19 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i feel IRC enough. | 14:20 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: you used GroupMe before, why can't we use it now? | 14:22 |
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| alexchadin | I'd use to say that I'll be late, for example | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | IRC doesn't show history immediately | 14:22 |
| adisky__ | Ok | 14:23 |
| adisky__ | I am fine with any app | 14:24 |
| watanabe_isao | +1 to slack | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: what about slack? | 14:25 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: other projects use irc. i believe irc is standard for openstack. slack is kubernetes standard :) | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: we continue to use irc | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I just proposed to use some messenger during PTG to be in touch :) | 14:27 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: ok, let's use apps at ptg :) | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | let's use slack then | 14:28 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin:+1 | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | Anne Bertucio collects queens demo videos, can we make our own? | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | Anne proposed to make some demos from projects to show typical use cases | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | it'd help potential clients to get clear with projects | 14:30 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i am afraid i have little time to do | 14:30 |
| alexchadin | we have demo on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJttohkf0sM | 14:31 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu watanabe_isao adisky__ maybe you have some ideas about demo content? | 14:31 |
| watanabe_isao | Oh, sorry for changing the subject, but openstack-watcher slack work space has already been created! | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: can't we use it? | 14:33 |
| watanabe_isao | alexchadin, I cannot sign in with my account. | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | let's use watcher-dublin-ptg | 14:36 |
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| alexchadin | adisky__ hidekazu watanabe_isao give me your emails in direct to send you invitations | 14:37 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: i will send about ten hour after from my office. | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | yeap | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | We are still working on adding PTG topics here. Please, add something you'd like to discuss. | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-watcher-ptg | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | I continue to filling it up | 14:40 |
| hidekazu | i want to hear suzhenwei's opinion. | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | don't forget to add any ideas you have about watcher | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: I'll talk to him | 14:41 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: although they had Chenese New Year and I don't know whether China's holidays are over or not | 14:41 |
| alexchadin | I have some bug fixes | 14:42 |
| -alexchadin- Fix global efficacy format | 14:42 | |
| -alexchadin- workload_stabilization trivial fix | 14:42 | |
| -alexchadin- Complete schema of workload_stabilization strategy | 14:42 | |
| alexchadin | It would be glad if you review them, they are lightweight:) | 14:43 |
| adisky__ | alexchadin: sure | 14:43 |
| hidekazu | need to fix until queens release? | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: yes | 14:45 |
| hidekazu | i am not sure when release is | 14:46 |
| hidekazu | :) | 14:46 |
| hidekazu | this week? | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | next week | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | we still have time | 14:47 |
| alexchadin | well, thank you all | 14:47 |
| hidekazu | https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html#q-release | 14:47 |
| hidekazu | i will review this weekend. | 14:47 |
| hidekazu | thanks. | 14:48 |
| alexchadin | let's meet on PTG privately and remotely! | 14:48 |
| alexchadin | safe trip to everyone! | 14:48 |
| hidekazu | see you next week | 14:48 |
| adisky__ | Bye | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | oh, one more thing - we won't have next weekly meeting | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | there will be queens release, ptg and so on | 14:49 |
| alexchadin | you know:) | 14:49 |
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| alexchadin | bye! | 14:49 |
| hidekazu | sure | 14:49 |
| watanabe_isao | alexchadin, sorry I have a question | 14:50 |
| alexchadin | let's go to the direct | 14:50 |
| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: ^ | 14:50 |
| watanabe_isao | I think you have said we are going to have a Skype meeting on PTG, or not? Or is it instated by slack? | 14:51 |
| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: We will do it as you want. If you want Skype meeting, I'll turn on my webcam and welcome you :) | 14:52 |
| watanabe_isao | I'd like to hear your vioce, if it is not to much trouble. | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: sure, no problem! | 14:53 |
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| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: send me in slack your skype id | 14:54 |
| watanabe_isao | alexchadin, ok | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | watanabe_isao: thanks! | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 14:55:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-02-21-14.01.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-02-21-14.01.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2018/watcher.2018-02-21-14.01.log.html | 14:55 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 21 15:00:49 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| witek | Hello | 15:01 |
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| cbellucci | Hi | 15:01 |
| amofakhar | Hello | 15:01 |
| witek | let's start | 15:01 |
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| witek | #topic vote for presentations | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vote for presentations (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| witek | community voting for Vancouver Summit is open | 15:02 |
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| witek | there are couple Monasca related presentations | 15:03 |
| witek | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/vote-for-speakers/ | 15:03 |
| amofakhar | is it possible to see who are attending Vancouver Summit? | 15:03 |
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| jgu_ | Hi | 15:03 |
| witek | no, many folks still don't know, if they attend | 15:03 |
| amofakhar | will you do yourself? | 15:04 |
| witek | yes, I'm going | 15:04 |
| amofakhar | good | 15:04 |
| witek | jgu_: going to Vancouver? | 15:05 |
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| jgu_ | We are planning to go but tbd in budget approval | 15:05 |
| witek | yes, there's still plenty of time | 15:06 |
| witek | please take some time to review the submitted talks and vote | 15:07 |
| amofakhar | sure | 15:07 |
| witek | there are about integration with Congress and CloudKitty | 15:07 |
| jgu_ | Will do. | 15:07 |
| witek | also some use-case for edge-computing with Monasca | 15:08 |
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| witek | cbellucci and folks from Uni Messina have submitted | 15:08 |
| witek | deadline for voting 25. Feb | 15:08 |
| cbellucci | we should support Monasca with as many presentations as we can :) | 15:08 |
| joadavis | agreed. :) | 15:09 |
| cbellucci | let us know if any of you presented something and we can vote :) | 15:09 |
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| witek | #topic ptg | 15:10 |
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| witek | we start our track next Wednesday at 9 am | 15:10 |
| witek | Suite 660 | 15:10 |
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| joadavis | Cool. I will be there | 15:11 |
| witek | there is the PTG bot to keep you updated what's going on | 15:11 |
| witek | http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html | 15:11 |
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| witek | there is also possibility to book the room 'on request' | 15:12 |
| witek | if needed | 15:12 |
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| witek | we will also have remote session with GoToMeeting | 15:13 |
| amofakhar | is it possible also to see the agenda? | 15:13 |
| witek | the URL is posted in etherpad | 15:13 |
| witek | I have started sorting out the topics which are interesting for HPE folks for the afternoon | 15:14 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-ptg-rocky | 15:14 |
| witek | for the rest we can flexibly set the times | 15:14 |
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| witek | i have also added some topics to the list, please feel free to add if you have some more | 15:16 |
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| witek | dougsz: will you want to add some topics? | 15:16 |
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| dougsz | witek: thanks - i'll go through them. | 15:17 |
| witek | I have added your `Log API datasource for grafana`, not sure if that's what you wanted | 15:17 |
| dougsz | I saw that one - thanks - we need to pick that up. | 15:17 |
| witek | also notifications could be a good topic | 15:18 |
| dougsz | Kolla + Monasca is the main one i'm focused on now. | 15:18 |
| dougsz | Notifications would be good too, thanks | 15:18 |
| dougsz | Kolla + Monasca should hopefully feed into the existing docker containers topic | 15:18 |
| witek | nice, have you already started working on it? | 15:19 |
| witek | I mean Kolla development | 15:20 |
| witek | I thought it would be nice to go for dinner together one night | 15:22 |
| amofakhar | good idea | 15:22 |
| witek | I arrive on Monday, so I could take care about reserving the place | 15:22 |
| witek | could you please add you preference on which day to the ethrpad? | 15:23 |
| dougsz | witek: I'm ramping up on it. So far i've got the Grafana Monasca fork running under Kolla. | 15:23 |
| dougsz | +1 for dinner - i added myself to the list | 15:23 |
| witek | anyone can recommend a restaurant in Dublin? :) | 15:24 |
| witek | there are already some suggestions in PTG CityGuide | 15:24 |
| witek | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/CityGuide | 15:25 |
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| witek | anything else that we should sync? | 15:26 |
| amofakhar | BOXTY looks nice | 15:26 |
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| witek | joadavis: jgu: jgr: sc`: kjansson: please add your names to the outing list | 15:29 |
| joadavis | Sure, I'm in | 15:29 |
| witek | I guess, I don't have more topics | 15:30 |
| witek | for today | 15:30 |
| joadavis | Quick one - will we have this meeting next week? | 15:30 |
| witek | no, thanks for reminder | 15:30 |
| sc` | i'm not in dublin ;-) | 15:31 |
| jgu | +1 for team outing. btw, I added a sub-item under upgrade Kafka to see if we want/can remove the forked py kafka in Monasca? | 15:31 |
| sc` | probably wrong tab complete, too | 15:31 |
| witek | oops, sorry, thought it would be Stefano | 15:32 |
| witek | jgu: good point, we have actually started on this already | 15:32 |
| jgu | witek: nice! | 15:32 |
| sc` | witek: good thing i'm an early riser. 0733 over here :D | 15:33 |
| witek | I think we can use IRC for communication during PTG | 15:34 |
| witek | is that OK? | 15:34 |
| jgu | sounds great | 15:35 |
| witek | OK, if there are no other topics, I'll be closing now | 15:35 |
| amofakhar | thank you | 15:36 |
| witek | see you next week in Dublin | 15:36 |
| amofakhar | see you | 15:36 |
| witek | and next team meeting on IRC in two weeks | 15:36 |
| joadavis | See you there! | 15:36 |
| jgu | see you in Dublin | 15:36 |
| witek | bye bye | 15:36 |
| cbellucci | bye | 15:36 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 15:36:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-02-21-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-02-21-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2018/monasca.2018-02-21-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 21 16:01:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | hi | 16:01 |
| eglute | Here is agenda for today, please update as needed: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWhistler.7 | 16:01 |
| eglute | #topic new guidelines | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new guidelines (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:02 | |
| eglute | We have a board meeting coming up on Monday, we will ask the board to approve the new guidelines, 2018.02.json, dns.2018.02.json and hopefully orchestration.2018.02.json | 16:03 |
| eglute | right now, we have 2018.02.json ready to review, thank you markvoelker! | 16:03 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539606/ | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | Two notes on this one: | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | 1.) I converted 2018.02.json to schema 2.0 and it's passing the gate tests. I could use some review eyeballs to make sure I didn't inadvertently leave anything off during the transition (e.g. missing capabilities or whatnot). | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | 2.) I haven't yet converted next.json because I'm going to base it off of 2018.02.json once we get any remaining wrinkles ironed out of that. We can do that in this patchset or antoher, doesn't really matter to me. | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | I'll add this to my pre-ptg check list | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | thanks hogepodge | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | mguiney: and I also need to build the mechaninics for RefStack to read the new add-on programs. It should be easy. | 16:06 |
| * mguiney nods | 16:07 | |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker, separate patch for next.json is fine | 16:07 |
| eglute | and thank you for doing this, i will go review it later today | 16:07 |
| eglute | For dns, I created #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546668/ | 16:07 |
| eglute | i moved advisory capabilities to required | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Oh! Actually just remembered one more thing on 2018.02...(sorry) | 16:08 |
| eglute | and updated links, though i was not sure on source and required platform source | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | We also need to do an RST version of that and I think the current script doesnt' quite work with schema 2.0. It should be a trivial fix though, so standby. | 16:08 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:09 |
| eglute | please review 2018.02 and dns.2018.02 | 16:09 |
| eglute | regarding the orchestration one: there is still outstanding patch for heat things | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | eglute: oh? What things? | 16:10 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529836/ | 16:10 |
| eglute | i think it can be merged and a new patch created to address comments | 16:10 |
| eglute | since i would like to create an orchestration.2018.02.json as well | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | version discovery? | 16:11 |
| eglute | right and then question about adding additional tests | 16:11 |
| eglute | so tests can be added later | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | Oh yes, we can add new tests with updated guidelines | 16:12 |
| eglute | if it looks ok as is to you all, lets merge it today | 16:12 |
| eglute | any objections? | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | Merge as advisory then move to approved once the board votes on it? | 16:14 |
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| eglute | right, although for heat there were new capabilities this round, so we would move things to required that were advisory last guideline and leave new ones as advisory. i can create a new patch after this one is merged, unless someone else wants to | 16:15 |
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| eglute | so, if no objections, we will move forward with it as well | 16:17 |
| eglute | ok, hearing no objections, we will ask the board to approve the 3 guidelines this Monday | 16:18 |
| eglute | we will also let the board know about the progress on the NFV vertical guideline | 16:19 |
| eglute | since we have agreed that is not ready for the board yet | 16:19 |
| eglute | georg could not attend todays meeting, so i have no further updates on NFV, unless one of you does | 16:20 |
| eglute | #topic PTG | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:20 | |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDublin2018PTG | 16:20 |
| eglute | please add suggested topics | 16:20 |
| eglute | anything else on PTG? | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | I'll be working out the schedule | 16:21 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 16:21 |
| eglute | I got a new jacket for the cold weather. | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | Please add topics and work items, and I'll be building out 40 minute sessions | 16:22 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge. i will be on IRC so ping me when you have a draft | 16:22 |
| eglute | anything else for today? | 16:23 |
| eglute | in that case, please review the new guidelines, and see you all in Dublin! | 16:24 |
| eglute | thank you all | 16:24 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 16:24:50 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2018/interopwg.2018-02-21-16.01.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2018/interopwg.2018-02-21-16.01.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2018/interopwg.2018-02-21-16.01.log.html | 16:24 |
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| mguiney | have a good week, all | 16:26 |
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| ying_zuo | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 21 20:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ying_zuo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | Hi everyone o/ | 20:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:01 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Rocky cycle has started | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky cycle has started (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
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| ying_zuo | Queens RC2 has been released so the rocky cycle has started | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127404.html | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | Congratulations to Ivan Kolodyazhny for being the PTL of the Rocky cycle!! | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | \o/ | 20:03 |
| e0ne | thanks a lot! | 20:03 |
| e0ne | I'll do my best to be a good PTL | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | :) thanks e0ne | 20:04 |
| ying_zuo | It’s been an honor being the PTL for the last cycle. I appreciate everyone's help and support. | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | Thanks Ying | 20:05 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: thank you for your job, Ying | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | Ivan has been working in the OpenStack community for a few years so I am glad that he is stepping up to be the Horizon PTL | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | :) | 20:05 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: I hope, you'll have a time for openstack contribution in Rocky | 20:05 |
| ying_zuo | I can help with some code reviews :) | 20:06 |
| ying_zuo | #topic PTG/No IRC meeting next week | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/No IRC meeting next week (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:06 | |
| e0ne | great! | 20:07 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: are you going to attend PTG this time? | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-rocky | 20:07 |
| ying_zuo | most of the team will be meeting in person so we will skip the meeting next week | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | e0ne, unfortunately no | 20:07 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:07 |
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| ying_zuo | Ivan will be running the weekly IRC meeting starting from the week after PTG | 20:08 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo, david-lyle: what timezone are you leave? we're going to discuss meeting time at PTG | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | -7GMT | 20:08 |
| e0ne | it's 11pm after DST for me and 5am for amotoki | 20:09 |
| ying_zuo | I am in the same timezone as david-lyle but work on Horizon in the night | 20:10 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo, david-lyle: for note: I don't want to change a lot in our processes, just want to get more people at meetings | 20:10 |
| ying_zuo | we have this meeting time for a while so probably it's time to change | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | e0ne, whatever works | 20:11 |
| ying_zuo | +1 | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | we've done much moving around, pros and cons always, but make it work for you | 20:12 |
| ying_zuo | e0ne: do you have anything else to mention for the PTG next week? | 20:13 |
| e0ne | tbh, I usually my working day starts at 12pm, so late meetings are ok for me | 20:13 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: nothing special | 20:13 |
| ying_zuo | cool. lot of topics on the etherpad :) | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | #topic Open Discussion | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:14 | |
| e0ne | if anybody has some topic to discuss - please add it to the etherpad even you won't attend the PTG | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | +1 | 20:14 |
| ying_zuo | alright. thanks everyone for joining! | 20:17 |
| e0ne | david-lyle, ying_zuo: are you still ok to remove django <= 1.10 support for Rocky? | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | e0ne, hmm | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | is the django 2 release at a stable revision yet. | 20:18 |
| ying_zuo | I remember we had similar discussion before | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | I mean LTS | 20:18 |
| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127421.html | 20:18 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: we agreed to support 1.11 LTS and 2.0(or 2.x) for Rocky | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | ah, yes 1.11 is the LTS | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | then yes | 20:19 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: good, I'm feeling OK now to merge related patches after reviews | 20:20 |
| ying_zuo | yup | 20:20 |
| e0ne | just wanted to confirm it with you once more | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | that makes sense | 20:20 |
| ying_zuo | cool. anything else? | 20:21 |
| e0ne | nothing from my side | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | have fun at the PTG e0ne | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | fix everything | 20:22 |
| ying_zuo | lol | 20:22 |
| e0ne | thanks. we'll miss both of you, david-lyle, ying_zuo | 20:22 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: I was going to leave something for you:) | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | strip out angular ;) | 20:24 |
| ying_zuo | let me know how that discussion goes | 20:24 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: sure, will do | 20:25 |
| e0ne | david-lyle, ying_zuo: one last question from amotoki | 20:25 |
| e0ne | david-lyle, ying_zuo: is it reasonable to add me to horizon-stable-maint? | 20:26 |
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| ying_zuo | I think I added you there? | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | e0ne, at one point there was a process around that that was not in our control | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I'd have to check if that still exists | 20:26 |
| e0ne | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-horizon/%23openstack-horizon.2018-02-15.log.html#t2018-02-15T15:30:43 | 20:27 |
| ying_zuo | I asked in the stable channel to get the permission for older stable branches | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | yeah we don't manage that, but horizon-core will certainly +1 it | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | we need to remove some folks too it looks | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/537,members | 20:28 |
| e0ne | I don't remember what is a procedure to add people to *-stable-maint team | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | last I knew it was a proposal to the mailing list and then they looked at your reviews of stable | 20:29 |
| ying_zuo | I just asked in the stable channel | 20:29 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: thanks | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | but I haven't seen anything so formal in a while | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | we need to remove about 6 people from that list | 20:30 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: in cinder, I just asked our PTL and he added me to the group somehow after the discussion with the team | 20:30 |
| ying_zuo | I remember adding you to horizon-stable-maint group but you are not in it now | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | stable-main-core has control over the group as far as I know | 20:31 |
| ying_zuo | and I don't have the permission to update the group now | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | I did make you an admin on launchpad | 20:31 |
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| david-lyle | unrelatedly :) | 20:32 |
| e0ne | :) | 20:32 |
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| ying_zuo | david-lyle: can you make e0ne the Ops for the horizon channel too? | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | I gave him +ov but I can give +O too | 20:33 |
| * e0ne feels uncomfortable a bit with such a lot of permissions | 20:33 | |
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| ying_zuo | I made him the voiced before but that only lasted a day | 20:33 |
| ying_zuo | I probably didn't do it right | 20:33 |
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| ying_zuo | his name is not showing in ops or voices now | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | done | 20:34 |
| ying_zuo | oh it is now | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:35 |
| ying_zuo | thank you :) | 20:35 |
| e0ne | thanks | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | only reason they let me stay | 20:36 |
| e0ne | :) | 20:37 |
| ying_zuo | enjoy the rest of the day :) | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | thanks for everything Ying | 20:38 |
| ying_zuo | :) thank you | 20:38 |
| ying_zuo | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 20:38:42 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-02-21-20.00.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-02-21-20.00.txt | 20:38 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 21 21:00:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | I got distracted talking to belmoreira | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | hence my 26 second tardiness | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | #topic bugs | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | we've got a pretty good set on the agenda, cultivated by tssurya: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaCellsv2 | 21:01 |
| dansmith | tssurya: I'm not sure how I feel about continuing to work on that first one, for cellsv1, to be honest | 21:02 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:02 |
| tssurya | dansmith : well we have that patch in production now | 21:02 |
| tssurya | and we would be moving away from cellsv1 soon :) | 21:03 |
| dansmith | tssurya: yeah, it just doesn't work for our test environment, hence my concern | 21:03 |
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| tssurya | dansmith : so maybe we just keep it as WIP ? | 21:03 |
| dansmith | ack, so I think I'll just leave it up in case people need it, but not really push on it | 21:03 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:03 |
| dansmith | I'll make a note on it | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | the rest of the bugs up there look straightforward and almost all have reviews, which melwitt just added to the priorities list, so ... review those | 21:04 |
| dansmith | tssurya: any of those you want to highlight? | 21:04 |
| tssurya | I would appreciate some pointers on trying to write a test case for this : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546660/ with | 21:04 |
| tssurya | respect to deleting RPs | 21:04 |
| dansmith | tssurya: okay cool | 21:04 |
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| tssurya | dansmith : thanks, | 21:05 |
| tssurya | will wait for your comments in the review then | 21:05 |
| dansmith | tssurya: sure, or mriedem.. he's good with that stuff | 21:06 |
| tssurya | I don't have anything else to highlight | 21:06 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:06 |
| tssurya | dansmith : okay | 21:06 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 21:06 |
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| dansmith | I have this set up: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/placement-req-filter | 21:06 |
| dansmith | which is about a pre-filtering mechanism for the scheduler, which isn't cells-specific, | 21:06 |
| dansmith | but came up because of the concerns tssurya and belmoreira had about the scheduler choking on the full result set from placement | 21:06 |
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| dansmith | this will let us fine-tune what we ask of placement for lots of cases | 21:07 |
| dansmith | this being one solution for the cells case: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545002/ | 21:07 |
| tssurya | dansmith : thanks again for doing this | 21:07 |
| dansmith | specifically over tenant cell assignment | 21:07 |
| * melwitt adds to priorities etherpad | 21:07 | |
| dansmith | here's the start of another one that isn't cells-specific: https://review.openstack.org/546282 | 21:07 |
| dansmith | which would let us do AZs without a post-scheduler filter like we do today, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | which will be way more efficient when users ask for a specific AZ | 21:08 |
| dansmith | there is some placement API work that has to be done first in order for both of these to work, but it's just a parity thing and not too major | 21:08 |
| tssurya | dansmith : so the placement aggregates would be modelled to accommodate the avz ? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | tssurya: for the AZ thing yeah | 21:09 |
| tssurya | cool | 21:09 |
| dansmith | jay is working on a spec to allow mirroring of aggregate operations up to placement, | 21:09 |
| dansmith | so when you add an aggregate and add hosts to it, nova will tell placement about those things | 21:09 |
| dansmith | so you don't have to do everything twice | 21:09 |
| belmoreira | dansmith by not cell specific is because it uses aggregates? | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | however, until that happens, you'd just have to make sure placement knows about the links | 21:10 |
| melwitt | I need to read up on that. placement will do some aggregate stuff but not all, like metadata I assume? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: not cells-specific because people that just use AZs today would still want this | 21:10 |
| dansmith | melwitt: right, placement already has aggregates for things like knowing which computes are connected to which networks, shared storage, etc | 21:10 |
| dansmith | but it's not as heavy as nova's implementation | 21:10 |
| melwitt | k, cool | 21:10 |
| melwitt | not going to have all of the key=value stuff in it | 21:11 |
| dansmith | correct | 21:11 |
| melwitt | got it | 21:11 |
| belmoreira | dansmith do you think that then we can also have the cell abstraction? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: what do you mean? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | model cells in placement i assume | 21:12 |
| mriedem | like ed's idea about nested providers | 21:12 |
| belmoreira | for large sites aggregates are fine grained. We organize thinhs with cells | 21:12 |
| mriedem | even though cells don't provide inventory | 21:12 |
| dansmith | yeah, cells don't provide inventory, which is why I think it's a bad idea to model cells as parent providers | 21:13 |
| dansmith | not to mention it makes the entire deployment in one tree | 21:13 |
| belmoreira | meaning that we will need to duplicate the host-cell mapping that we already have per cell for the aggregates | 21:13 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: placement is definitely not going to get a cell notion | 21:14 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: the closest would be nova maintaining an aggregate per cell when hosts are mapped or something | 21:14 |
| dansmith | which I guess we could do, but it doesn't excite me :) | 21:14 |
| belmoreira | dansmith ack :) | 21:14 |
| melwitt | nested aggregates anybody? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | melwitt: that's what I'll tell people when they ask why I'm applying for my next job, yeah | 21:15 |
| melwitt | or wait, we can already do that | 21:15 |
| belmoreira | but if not done by nova ,operators will need to keep them in sync (aggregate/cell). Not easy... | 21:15 |
| dansmith | no, we don't have nested aggregates, we have overlapping aggregates | 21:16 |
| melwitt | but maybe AZs messes that up. anyway | 21:16 |
| melwitt | overlapping is what I was thinking of | 21:16 |
| melwitt | okay | 21:16 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: well, operators that need cell based scheduling | 21:16 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: so far you're the only one I know of like that, and the other large operators I've talked to want *more* management-via-aggregate, like the allocation ratios thing | 21:17 |
| melwitt | fwiw I predict other large operators wanting it | 21:17 |
| melwitt | like, if they had cells, they'd want to manage ratios per cell if they could | 21:17 |
| dansmith | so, I get that your case would require some manual syncing of those concepts, and I get why that sucks, I just need to kinda get my head around what we ca do about it | 21:17 |
| dansmith | melwitt: they can, by defining aggregates | 21:18 |
| melwitt | but what if you have multi aggregates in one cell? then can't, right? | 21:18 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:18 |
| dansmith | that's why I think forcing people into one per cell is wrong anyway | 21:18 |
| dansmith | because some people may have smallish cells and deal with things only on the cell level, | 21:19 |
| dansmith | others may have giant cells, for which no one rule applies to all things in that cell | 21:19 |
| dansmith | that's why aggregates can overlap and why they have metadata and not fixed attributes | 21:19 |
| dansmith | and you define aggregates around the things with similar characteristics, and assign meaning to those as appropriate | 21:20 |
| belmoreira | dansmth true | 21:20 |
| belmoreira | but also because we lack metadata in cells | 21:20 |
| dansmith | that's intentional though, so we don't have to apply all the things we can do with aggregates to cells in a different way | 21:21 |
| melwitt | yeah ... that makes sense | 21:22 |
| dansmith | there are a ton of things you can do with aggregates, and replicating that onto cells is just a terribly complex undertaking | 21:22 |
| mriedem | isn't a lot of this trying to shoe-horn the old multi-level cells scheduler stuff into the new flat world rather than just doing things the way we can with what we have in flat scheduling? | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yes | 21:22 |
| melwitt | it might, yeah | 21:22 |
| mriedem | like, in cells v1 we have 2 level scheduling and can optimize the cell that's picked, | 21:22 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:22 |
| dansmith | it's, IMHO, more about "tenants are fixed into these silos", which is valid | 21:23 |
| dansmith | those silos used to be naturally cellsv1 cells, but I don't want to tie more meaning into a cell than we have to, | 21:23 |
| mriedem | because i don't think we want to add a bunch of new complexity to maintain how things were done the cells v1 way | 21:23 |
| dansmith | which is why I'm resistant to giving them more meaning than just a group of computes that share a db/mq | 21:23 |
| dansmith | right | 21:23 |
| mriedem | ack | 21:23 |
| * melwitt nods | 21:23 | |
| mriedem | i realize that makes the transition harder | 21:23 |
| dansmith | mirroring cells into aggregates (i.e. when we discover a new cell mapping, we add an aggregate, and when we map a new host, we add it to the aggregate) is an option, I just don't want to make that too easy :) | 21:24 |
| belmoreira | mriedem the transition yes, but I'm must worried about the operations | 21:24 |
| belmoreira | I need to setup something to keep the aggregates in sync and we will have few of them | 21:25 |
| melwitt | this talk is making me think it might be useful to brainstorm a few reference deployment layouts to include in our docs | 21:25 |
| belmoreira | for example: aggregate-cell; aggregate-avz | 21:26 |
| melwitt | complete with how you could draw your aggregates and cells | 21:26 |
| melwitt | "if you currently do this with cells v1, this is how you would do that in cells v2" | 21:26 |
| melwitt | going from the multi-level stuff to the flat. anyway, just an idea | 21:27 |
| dansmith | melwitt: as long as we're not making a direct mapping, but describing how you achieve things in the new system | 21:28 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: so, since this is going on and to wrap up a bit: | 21:28 |
| * melwitt nods | 21:28 | |
| dansmith | belmoreira: are you willing to do the mapping with aggregates and this pre-filter thing for a first-go, and report back with how heavy it is in reality for maintenance? | 21:29 |
| dansmith | presumably the worst case here is "yes, this is very hard, we have aggregates out of sync sometimes, because $reasons, etc" | 21:29 |
| belmoreira | dansmith sure. let's give it a go | 21:30 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: okay cool.. this aggregate idea is the result of me transitioning from "hell no" to this, which gets us close, | 21:30 |
| dansmith | so I think we'll end up with something workable given more soak time and learning more about the pain points, as we have already | 21:31 |
| dansmith | and we have next week to smash our brains together on ideas for refining things | 21:31 |
| dansmith | okay, so.. any other open reviews to highlight? :) | 21:31 |
| dansmith | other than tssurya's bug reviews | 21:32 |
| melwitt | not yet, consoles stuff is still up but spec not re-approved yet. fyi | 21:32 |
| belmoreira | dansmith having some filtering in the placement is already something great. thanks for that. don't let me wrong :) | 21:32 |
| dansmith | belmoreira: okay :) | 21:32 |
| dansmith | melwitt: ack | 21:32 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:33 | |
| dansmith | we've already done a lot of discussing openly | 21:33 |
| dansmith | no meeting next week because obvious. | 21:33 |
| dansmith | anything else to bring up? | 21:33 |
| tssurya | nope | 21:33 |
| * dansmith 's fingers are already tired | 21:33 | |
| melwitt | nay | 21:34 |
| dansmith | tssurya: looking forward to meeting you next week! | 21:34 |
| tssurya | dansmith : same here! | 21:34 |
| melwitt | ++ | 21:34 |
| dansmith | aight, cells team out | 21:34 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 21 21:34:30 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
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