Wednesday, 2018-03-07

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yamamoto#startmeeting taas05:31
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  7 05:31:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:31
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'taas'05:31
yamamotoanyone?05:31
kazhi05:32
yamamotohi05:32
kazI'm attending OpenStack Ops Meetup now.05:32
yamamotohow is it going?05:34
yamamoto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup05:35
kaznow, it is a "OpenStack on Containers" session.05:36
yamamotoi'm going to make a release05:38
yamamototrying to recall how to05:38
kazyes05:39
yamamotodo you have any topic for this meeting?05:41
kazdid you go to PTG?05:41
yamamotoyes05:42
kazhow was it?05:42
yamamotoit was fun to play with snow05:42
kazOh realy? :-)05:42
yamamoto#link https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/beast-from-the-east-up-to-40cms-of-snow-expected-as-red-weather-warning-extended-for-munster-and-leinster-830386.html05:44
kaz40cm of snow!05:45
yamamotoi made a few snow persons05:46
kazi see05:47
kazdid you get any interesting topic there?05:48
yamamotonothing related to taas05:49
kazok, i see.05:49
kazthanks05:49
yamamotodo you have any idea what to do for the dashboard?05:51
yamamotoabout queens release05:52
kazno, i don't sure what should i do?05:53
yamamotodo you think the code is ready?05:54
kazyes.05:54
yamamotoso i guess i will probably make a release as it is05:55
yamamotoafter finishing taas repo05:55
kazok, i see.05:56
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yamamoto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550336/06:10
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yamamoto#endmeeting06:31
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  7 06:31:54 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)06:31
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markvoelker#startmeeting interopwg16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  7 16:00:54 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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markvoelker#chair eglute hogepodge16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:01
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georgkhi16:01
markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWhistler.8 Today's Agenda16:02
markvoelkerWe may have a bit of a small crew today as I understand some folks are still traveling or recovering from travel. =)16:02
mguineyo/16:02
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egluteHopefully everyone got home before the next blizzard strikes16:03
markvoelkerPlease take a look at the agenda and add anything else we need to talk about today.16:03
markvoelker#topic Board Meeting Update16:04
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markvoelkerI think everyone in the meeting today was also in Dublin, so quick recap:16:04
hogepodgehi16:04
markvoelkerThe Board approved three new Guidelines at their meeting in Dublin, including the 2018.02 guideline and two new add-on programs for Designate and Heat16:05
markvoelkerThere were a couple of minor corrections that needed to be made to the 2018.02 doc (missing aliases, a test or two that need admin creds, a missing name, etc).16:05
markvoelkerI think we've landed those all except one typo that needs correcting (which was totally my fault):16:06
eglutethanks markvoelker for fixing those16:06
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markvoelker#link https://review.openstack.org/550514 One more typo to fix16:06
* markvoelker reckons everybody can now figure out which editor I used to write that16:06
eglutethanks!16:07
georgk:-)16:07
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markvoelkerWe also gave the Board an update on where we're at with the NFV program and what we're targeting16:08
markvoelkerThere are some notes here if folks haven't perused yet:16:08
markvoelker#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kgmdHTb0ve340sdwO8-8-vKTaCqFSNtGxSBvSwofeJE/edit#heading=h.yjel5gfxgg3h BoD Report16:08
markvoelkerI think that more or less wraps up BoD notes...anything else folks want to mention that I may be forgetting before we move on to other PTG stuff?16:09
eglutei dont think so16:09
markvoelker#topic PTG Recap Notes16:10
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markvoelkerHere's a link to our etherpad for Dublin.  Discussion was cut a little short on account of the venue closing due to the snowstorm, but I think we managed to cover most of it:16:10
markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDublin2018PTG Dublin PTG Interop Etherpad16:10
markvoelkerOne still-lingering item that was discussed a lot both in multiple meetings (ours, QA, TC) was where to put interop tests....16:12
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markvoelkerThere's been a bit of back-and-forth on this (again).  The most recent discussion was at the TC meeting on Friday.16:12
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markvoelkerHere's the current proposal being debated:  https://review.openstack.org/52160216:13
eglutei think the most important part is that we have good tests. the location shouldnt matter so much. So, I am down with whatever16:13
markvoelkerClarify testing for interop programs16:13
markvoelkeroops16:14
markvoelker#link  https://review.openstack.org/521602 Clarify testing for interop programs16:14
markvoelkerIf you read this a couple of months ago, please read it again--it's markedly different now.16:14
markvoelker(following the TC discussion)16:14
eglutethanks markvoelker16:14
eglutewill def read it again16:14
markvoelkerYou may also want to peruse the TC meeting etherpad:16:16
markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTG-Dublin-TC-topics TC Dublin Etherpad16:16
eglutethanks markvoelker16:16
markvoelkerPersonally I don't have a strong opinion on the test location at this point since RefStack can handle multiple locations anyway.  Seems like we're trying to find a happy medium where we don't put too much burden on QA and the project teams while maintaining some review consistency here.16:18
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georgksounds reasonable16:18
markvoelkerIf folks do have strong opinions, I'd encourage you to chime in on the discussion16:18
markvoelkerOne AI that did come out of all those discussions for us:16:19
markvoelkerThere's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem that we've discussed before where we might want to add some tests to a guideline (Powered, Add-on, or vertical)16:19
markvoelkerIF there's TC direction that all tests should go in some particular place (currently Tempest), do we need to get those tests into that place before we add them, or is adding them to a guideline the signal that they should be moved?16:20
georgkI think the last option is fine16:20
georgkinitially new capabilities are advisory anyway, right?16:20
georgkso, moving then later could work16:21
markvoelkerQA and the TC representative in the room asked that we get them moved first, then add them to a Guideline, as this helps them understand what they're getting into and make sure they have the resources to maintain things.  They can also then register objections (like the current objection with the Heat tests being gabbi tests vs "classical" tempest tests).16:21
georgk:-)16:21
georgkwell, I do see their point16:22
hogepodgemy opinion has always been we should evaluate tests where they are, move them if necessary16:22
markvoelkerHere again, I personally don't have a strong opinion either way so if it makes life easier QA then I'm happy to write something up in our procedure docs indicating that that's the order we'll do things in.16:22
hogepodgeIt seems that some folks on the TC want them to be in Tempest before we evaluate them, which is my mind is nonsense.16:22
hogepodgeEspecially with a directive for projects to be responsible for their own tests.16:22
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markvoelkerhogepodge: Well, I think that bit depends heavily on the outcome of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/ =)16:23
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hogepodgeSo I guess my opinions about that are strong. We're not bound by the TC, and IMO we should continue to evaluate non-tempest tests.16:23
markvoelkerI absolutely think it's fine to evaluate them.  I think they're just asking that if we decide there's a test we want, we get it moved into [whatever place is decided] before we actually include it in a Guideline.16:24
georgkbut doesn´t the evaluation take place before anything else anyway?16:25
hogepodgeIf it can move to Tempest in a reasonable way, I prefer that.16:25
hogepodgeTo me Heat is a special case. That's the issue.16:25
markvoelkergeorgk: Yes. But in the past we've kind of said "ok, we want this test, let's add it to the Guideline and the project can get it moved into Tempest and us adding it to the guideline will serve as a signal to tempest that they should accept the test"16:26
markvoelkerBut that landed us in the current situation with Heat16:26
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markvoelkerSo now they're basically saying "let's just tell QA we want the test, and we can figure out what needs to happen to make it sustainable *before* it becomes required"16:27
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hogepodgeI'm a bit annoyed at Heat too, though. This is an ongoing problem, and I thought they had worked out solutions to it. Going with a special test framework has been problematic from the beginning.16:27
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hogepodgeSo that is to say, I'm impatient with all sides of this argument.16:28
* eglute wonders which side hogepodge will take :D16:29
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hogepodgeIdeally, I'd like for us to evaluate API tests that are compatible with Tempest and move them to Tempest once they qualify for the trademark program.16:30
georgk... until a NFV vertical comes along ;-)16:30
eglute:D16:30
markvoelkerYEah, I think there's debate about "compatible" too...e.g. does that indicate no new dependencies (like gabbi)?16:31
hogepodgehaha yeah, I'm not considering the side verticals in that.16:31
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markvoelkerUltimately one root problem here is that QA is strapped for resources...bear in mind three people did over 50% of their reviews last cycle. So they're understandable hesitant to take on new stuff.16:32
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markvoelkerAt any rate: if you've got opinions please chime in on the review and let's see if we can get this settled.  I'd love for something to be decided that everyone can adhere to rather than it drag on for another several months.16:33
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markvoelkerAnything else people want to mention about this now before we move on?16:34
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eglutenope16:35
markvoelkerI guess one thing we should mention is that we were waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529836 to land to add ID's to the heat tests, but that may stall out until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/ is decided16:35
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markvoelker#topic Add-on/Vertical Programs16:36
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markvoelkerAs mentioned above, we provided some updates to the BoD on the NFV program but did not request approval for anything yet as it's still a bit fledgling.  See the board doc for notes on what we're targeting.16:37
eglutemarkvoelker i thought that the heat patch is ready to merge?16:37
markvoelkereglute: see Zane's note on that review =)16:37
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eglutemarkvoelker i am tempted to merge the patch16:38
eglutesince we need to update the guideline with the new tests anyways16:38
egluteand then update again when they move16:38
eglutethoughts?16:38
markvoelkerMy inclination is to wait a little bit longer and see if we can get the location issue resolved.  Seems like we have some activity there thanks to the face-to-face discussions in Dublin so I'm (perhaps overly) optimistic that some progress might get made there.16:40
eglutemarkvoelker how long do you think we should wait?16:40
markvoelkerIt seems rather likely at the moment that those tests aren't going into tempest at this point as QA has said no.16:40
egluteok...16:41
markvoelkerI think it probably makes sense to at least let one more TC meeting go by so we can see if htey resolve the matter or not.16:41
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eglutethat sounds reasonable16:42
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markvoelkerShall we plan to land it next week if this doesn't get worked out?16:43
egluteworks for me16:43
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georgkin the meantime, we can nevertheless include it in the NFV vertical, I assume?16:44
eglutegeorgk yes i think so, since the tests in question are for advisory16:44
markvoelkergeorgk: Yes, I think it's fine to add it to the NFV program.  That won't be finalized for some time anyway so if anything truly weird happens we can always back it out again.16:44
egluteand the orchestration guideline was approved16:44
markvoelker(but I don't think it will)16:44
georgkyes, ok16:45
markvoelkerOk, anything further on this topic?16:45
egluteno, sorry to derail16:45
markvoelkereglute: they were directly related anyway =)16:46
markvoelker#topic meeting cadence16:46
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markvoelkerOne matter we discussed in Dublin was whether we still needed to meet every week, or if an every-other-week cadence was better suited given the current pace of things16:46
markvoelkerMost present felt that once every other week would be fine, but I thought we should mention it here too for those not present in Dublin in case there are other opinions16:47
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markvoelkerMechanically, I'd be inclined to leave our reservation for every week on #openstack-meeting-3 so we can call meetings during off-weeks if something comes up, but I think every other week is generally fine.16:48
eglutemarkvoelker agreed16:48
markvoelkerAnyone have opinions to the contrary?16:48
hogepodgesgtm16:49
mguineysounds good16:49
georgknope16:49
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markvoelkerOk, in that case...16:49
markvoelker#agreed Move to every-other-week meeting cadence with option to meet on off weeks if something important comes up16:49
markvoelkerThat means no meeting next week (which works great for me since I'll be in a tent in a swamp in Florida anyway)16:50
eglutethanks markvoelker16:50
markvoelker#info No meeting next week16:50
* eglute thinks beach would be nicer than swamp16:50
* markvoelker has been called a pythonista since working on OpenStack and heard there were lots of pythons in the Everglades, so....16:51
markvoelker#topic Guideline cadence16:52
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mguineyand an alligator or two as well, i bet16:52
markvoelkerLast topic for the day: there's been some discussion about potentially changing the cadence of Guidelines too16:52
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markvoelkerThere are a lot of things to think about here, such as the span of releases covered in a Guideline, how plans for "long term maintenance" branches shape up, and the rate at which we add things to Guidelines16:53
eglutenot sure if we need to officially change the cadence since we will have to move advisory to required16:53
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markvoelkerI'm not sure we have time to think through it all in the remaining 5 minutes, but it'd be good to start hashing through mentally if nothing else.16:54
eglutemarkvoelker +116:54
markvoelkerConsensus in Dublin was that we do at least want to do a Guideline this fall since we have some things we'd like to get promoted16:55
markvoelkerFolks may also want to be aware of the release cycle discussions that are happening too....16:56
markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/release-cycles-ptg-rocky Release cycles, stable branch maintenance, LTS vs. downstream consumption models16:56
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markvoelkerSee also:16:56
markvoelker#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916/ Add a resolution about stable branch EOL and "extended maintenance"16:57
markvoelkerThree minutes remaining, so...16:57
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markvoelker#topic Open Floor16:57
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markvoelkerAnything else folks want to talk about today (very quickly)?16:57
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eglutei am good :)16:58
eglutegood luck with pythons markvoelker, be sure they are pep8 compliant16:58
georgk:-)16:58
markvoelker#info It was great to see most of you again in Dublin.  Thanks for all your continued efforts!16:59
egluteyes, thanks everyone!!!16:59
markvoelker#endmeeting16:59
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mguineyhave a good week, yall17:00
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e0ne#startmeeting horizon20:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  7 20:01:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:01
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ying_zuoo/20:01
e0nehi20:01
e0ne#topic Notices20:03
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e0nethanks everybody who joined PTG last week20:03
e0ne#link some PTG Highlights are available here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127977.html20:03
e0nemore details could be found on etherpad20:04
e0ne#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-rocky20:04
e0neI hope, everybody returned back after snowpenstack20:05
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ying_zuolooks like a very productive meeting :)20:07
e0neying_zuo: thanks! we missed you there20:08
ying_zuothank you20:08
ying_zuoin-person discussion is always better20:09
e0neying_zuo: do not hesitate to add your notes to the etherpad if any20:09
guglHi20:09
e0ne#topic Open Discussion20:10
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ying_zuoI agree on the one for angularjs20:10
ying_zuofinish what we have and don't start new patches for migration20:10
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guglhave a defect submitted...let me find the link20:10
guglhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/175413320:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1754133 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "login page exception - hz-login-finder doesn't function because of horizon.app loading failure" [Undecided,New]20:11
e0neying_zuo: good to know that we've got agreement on this20:11
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e0ne#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/175413320:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1754133 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "login page exception - hz-login-finder doesn't function because of horizon.app loading failure" [Undecided,New]20:12
e0negugl: thanks for the bug report. I'll try to triage this issue soon20:13
guglsome loading issue for horizon.app when load login page20:13
gugle0ne, thanks20:13
e0neI suppose that login feature works now because tempest tests passed20:15
guglfor keystone credential type it is fine20:15
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guglbut if we want to use WEBSSO to use other login type...then it has problem20:16
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e0neoh..I missed it20:16
david-lyleo/20:16
guglit is fine for horizon login...it has exceptions , but it doesn't cause problem20:16
guglit doesn't hurt when login type is keystone credential20:17
e0nedavid-lyle: hi20:17
guglhi20:17
* david-lyle straggling in late20:17
e0neI didn't use WEBSSO for a while20:18
guglanyway...that loading horizon.app issue cause problem when use WEBSSO20:19
guglwithout WEBSSO, you still see the exceptions20:19
e0newe need to fix it20:19
guglwhen you F12 in chrome in console20:19
ying_zuogugl: so you can't log in with other login types?20:20
e0negugl: are you volunteering to fix it?20:20
david-lyleI don't have the backlog since I joined late, but is there a bug?20:21
guglwhen WEBSSO enabled...with some other setup...there will be a dropdown20:21
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ying_zuohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/175413320:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1754133 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "login page exception - hz-login-finder doesn't function because of horizon.app loading failure" [Undecided,New]20:22
guglclick the choice in dropdown...it should hide the inputs user/pass20:22
david-lyleying_zuo, thank you20:22
ying_zuosure20:22
guglat this point...click choice doesn't do anything...user can need to put some junk in the user/pass then click signin ...then it goes to the enterprise login page20:22
david-lylethis sounds familiar20:23
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e0nedavid-lyle: I remember this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517382/20:25
guglloading horizon.app for login page seems to be different from dashboard page20:25
e0nenot sure that it's related20:25
e0ne^^ it was about patch above20:25
david-lylee0ne, that's what I was thinking of20:25
guglthat looks like a work around?20:27
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ying_zuobut it's merged20:28
ying_zuogugl: this is reproducible in master?20:28
guglyes20:29
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ying_zuomaybe it's a different issue20:29
guglload the latest master ...just go to the login page...wait a little , you will see the exceptions in F12 console20:29
guglit is related to angularjs loading issue20:30
guglI am not sure what is the difference between the horizon.app module loading in login page and regular dashboard page20:31
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guglonce you login...the exceptions are gone20:31
e0neI can confirm that it's reproducible in Pike too:( even without webSSO20:34
guglQA found it when they tested WEBSSO...otherwise this error will be unnoticed20:34
guglyes we started on stable/pike20:34
guglwe use stable/pike for our cloud release20:34
e0nemy devstack env is broken now, so I can't confirm on master20:35
e0newe need to fix it at least in master20:37
david-lyleI wonder if there is something strange about auth templates living in the horizon half of the treee20:38
ying_zuonot many people have SSO set up20:38
e0nenot sure that it could be backported to Pike since login page works and it's not a security issue20:38
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e0neying_zuo, gugl: I reproduced it on Pike *without* WebSSO20:38
guglyep..without SSO...the problem is still there20:38
david-lylenot to stable/pike, but a patch to queens could easily be cherry picked downstream20:39
guglwithout SSO, it doesn't hurt20:39
e0nedavid-lyle: +120:39
guglcool20:39
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e0nelet's go on forward20:40
guglok20:40
e0neis anything else to discuss at the meeting?20:40
guglthat's it for me.20:41
e0negugl: thanks for bringing up this topic20:41
gugle0ne, you're welcome20:41
guglif you have any idea how to fix it....please let me know. Also I resolved some issues...but stuck at one point20:42
e0negugl: I'll post update to the launchpad if any20:46
gugle0ne, thanks20:47
e0nedo we have any other topics to talk?20:47
david-lyleI have to drop again. Thanks e0ne20:49
e0nedavid-lyle: np. thanks for joining us20:49
e0neI'm going to end meeting  in few minutes20:49
guglthanks bye20:49
e0nethanks everybody. see you next week!20:50
e0ne#endmeeting20:50
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mriedemdansmith: cells v2 meeting or skipping this week?21:00
dansmithoh sorry21:00
dansmithtssurya: do you have anything?21:00
dansmithI was reviewing your spec just now21:00
dansmithbut melwitt is out and we just talked last week21:00
tssuryadansmith: yea nothing major21:01
dansmithmriedem: cool to skip?21:01
mriedemsure21:01
dansmithcool21:01
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mriedemle bye21:02
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