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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 29 14:03:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:03 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | sorry I was late | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | lets start | 14:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i have to leave at 45 past the hour, btw | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | should be enough time | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| tellesnobrega | I'm working on plugins split, facing some problems working on the API | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | but it is better, and we should have a working prototype with api soon | 14:07 |
| tosky | while the review which fixes the multinode/spark job is ready (reminder: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547669/, on par with the current legacy job), | 14:07 |
| tosky | I'm working on a multinode job (vanilla), the idea is to have some periodic jobs | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | still been pretty busy with non-sahara things, but i do have some small patches in the works (beginning of admin-manage-all, some bugfix inspired by downstream)... more interestingly, i've finally acquired some hardware for our external CI (this will be a new meeting topic) | 14:08 |
| tosky | and it may be reused in a future CI (with zuul integration and so - zuul v3 is out officially!) | 14:08 |
| tosky | (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556846/ ) | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks for the work on spark job and vanilla tosky | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, cool, let me know if you need anything | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess we can move on | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Sahara third-party CI \o/ | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sahara third-party CI \o/ (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| tellesnobrega | the title says it all | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | right, I managed to receive a "donation" from Cisco | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | yesterday we got an email with some pretty good news with some machines for our CI | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, should be our contact on getting them ready for our CI | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | two nodes with Xeon E-2630 and one with 192 gb ram, the other with 160 gb | 14:12 |
| tosky | are those machines connected together, so that they can be used as small cluster? | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | should be enough memory for our case | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, yes, that's the idea, i'm installing them both in the right rack later today | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | (i will point out that these nodes are a bit heavy on ram and slightly light on cpu, but it should be fine) | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the hardware will handle itself here, we need to talk about software though | 14:14 |
| tosky | do we have some limitations/requirement on one side, and ideas on the implementation on the other? | 14:14 |
| tosky | about the latter point, we had sahara-ci-config, but I'm not sure about them and zuulv3 | 14:15 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | so, we do have sahara-ci-config, there's a few things in there hardcoded for mirantis stuff | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and i don't think much progress was made toward zuulv3 there | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, do you know how complicated would be to fix it up? | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess my first question is, do we want/need zuulv3? | 14:17 |
| tosky | my answer would be: if not, what else? | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well legacy zuul still works, and it would be nice to have something up and running faster | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | how different is to deploy zuul and zuulv3? | 14:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no idea | 14:20 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, any idea? | 14:21 |
| tosky | iirc software factory already supports zuulv3 | 14:21 |
| tosky | even more now that it's released (earlier today) | 14:21 |
| tosky | https://blogs.rdoproject.org/2017/11/getting-started-with-software-factory-and-zuul3/ | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | my vote would be to go with zuulv3 | 14:22 |
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| tellesnobrega | we won't need to upgrade any time soon | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think having zuulv3 is important, but certainly it should come last (have everything else working first) | 14:24 |
| tosky | right, but is the effort to deploy with the current script less than setting with zuul v3? | 14:25 |
| tosky | if yes, maybe, ok, zuul v2.x | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | true | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm really not sure how the scripts work, and which components could be superseded by switching to v3 | 14:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok we can go back and forth on this forever, let's try to make a concrete list of steps | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | SotK, I would say the best course of action here is, take some time to study sahara-ci-config and figure out the best way to deploy sahara-ci | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | again with the ping | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | I hate that | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | sorry | 14:28 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | 0) jeremy sets up the machines with OS, public network, etc | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | 1) ...? | 14:29 |
| SotK | :) np | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | 1) figure out ASAP the best way to deploy sahara-ci | 14:29 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | 1a) sahara-ci in terms of components (zuul, jjb, devstack) | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | 1b) sahara-ci in terms of topology (can we have master and slave on same machine to increase capacity) | 14:30 |
| tosky | I agree that zuul should not take all the resources | 14:31 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 | 14:31 |
| tosky | also I don't expect to see tons of jobs as on the main CI, so it should not require too much resources | 14:33 |
| tosky | about components, for reference: the old CI had a fixed devstack instance which was refreshed every month or so, and only sahara was redeployed on the fly | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | which makes total sense | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | that is basically what I have at home | 14:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, the persistent devstack i think is something important (and non-standard) | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | I have a devstack running and I connect my local sahara to it | 14:34 |
| tosky | which is faster, but I'm not sure that allows co-gating | 14:34 |
| tosky | not co-gating, sorry: I mean the usage of Depends-On | 14:34 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | well, it can depend on other sahara patches only i think | 14:35 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but again, i'm not exactly sure | 14:35 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | we do need to talk to evgeny who knew some of the intricacies | 14:36 |
| tellesnobrega | that is probably best | 14:36 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, can you email evgeny so we have this all on ML? | 14:36 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, i'll send something to ml/evgeny | 14:37 |
| jeremyfreudberg | with both the general announcement and the questions/planning bits | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | #action jeremyfreudberg to formally email evgeny about Sahara CI | 14:37 |
| jeremyfreudberg | do we have other topics for today? | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I don't | 14:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | just news from shuyingya, he is not around because he's got a fever and is out of work today | 14:39 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sorry to hear that (feel better, shuyingya, if you are reading the logs :D) | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, any topics you want to cover today? | 14:39 |
| tosky | just a reminder for shuyingya if he reads this: I added a minor comment to his patch, then it could go in | 14:41 |
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| tosky | and I'd like to point out that we had a new contributor sending a patch for HDP 2.6 | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | we got a patch with HDP 2.6 | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | you beat me to it | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | it looks good btw | 14:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think that contributor might be gokhan | 14:41 |
| tosky | (which probably requires a new patch for sahara-image-{elements,pack}) | 14:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | or a colegague of gokhan | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | or gokhan's team | 14:41 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup to tosky also | 14:42 |
| tosky | but it was not the only team interested in ambari 2.6 | 14:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, but the other was russian, this is turkish | 14:42 |
| tosky | oh, right | 14:43 |
| tellesnobrega | nice, bottom line is, we got new contributors which is great :) | 14:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, i'm very happy about that | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:44 | |
| tellesnobrega | did any of us ever tested castellan? | 14:44 |
| tosky | ehm, we have an open bug | 14:44 |
| jeremyfreudberg | castellan is on my list for this cycle, i haven't tested it since we discussed with michael a few months ago | 14:44 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, I figured on plugins, there is key_manager.delete_key(key_id, ctx) | 14:45 |
| tellesnobrega | that is from castellan | 14:45 |
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| tellesnobrega | but, the correct method name is delete_secret(...) | 14:45 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hmm, i will have to look into that | 14:45 |
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| tellesnobrega | probably never worked | 14:45 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #action placeholder action to remind jeremy about more recent castellan bitrot discovery | 14:46 |
| jeremyfreudberg | gtg, thanks all | 14:46 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks jeremyfreudberg | 14:46 |
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| tellesnobrega | we can close the meeting | 14:46 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks tosky | 14:46 |
| tosky | ok, about time - there will be few holidays around in the next days, so happy holidays for people who have them! | 14:46 |
| tellesnobrega | happy holidays | 14:47 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:48 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 29 14:49:02 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-03-29-14.03.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-03-29-14.03.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-03-29-14.03.log.html | 14:49 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 29 15:00:55 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #chair mlavalle | 15:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: mlavalle | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb mlavalle | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | miguel will be late | 15:01 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
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| david_chou1 | hi | 15:02 |
| haleyb | o/ was just waiting for quorum | 15:03 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| haleyb | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:04 |
| haleyb | Next milestone is Rocky-1, April 16 - 20 | 15:04 |
| haleyb | so 2 weeks away | 15:04 |
| haleyb | any other announcements from the team? | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: No I don't have any | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: I will not be attending the OpenStack summit on May | 15:05 |
| david_chou1 | Just a quick question, is this meeting time changed? | 15:05 |
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| david_chou1 | Used to be one hour earlier? | 15:06 |
| Swami | david_chou1: I think this meeting was always at 15 UTC | 15:06 |
| haleyb | david_chou1: i think we just moved the +1 because of US time, but still at same UTC time | 15:06 |
| david_chou1 | Or just because US daylight saving time? | 15:06 |
| david_chou1 | @Swami, got it , thanks. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | Swami: too bad about the summit. i will not be there either | 15:07 |
| david_chou1 | Sorry, I need to leave. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | haleyb: none of my papers got selected, so I am getting approval to attend. | 15:08 |
| Swami | s/I am gettinig/I am not getting | 15:09 |
| haleyb | understood | 15:09 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:10 | |
| haleyb | Swami: you want to do dvr bugs? | 15:11 |
| Swami | haleyb: sure | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1740450 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1740450 in neutron "Restarting l3 agent results in lost of centralized fip in snat ns" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555952/ | 15:11 |
| Swami | Patch up for review for this bug. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | haleyb: i do see a comment from you. I will address it. | 15:12 |
| haleyb | Swami: yes, just a small one, looks good otherwise | 15:12 |
| Swami | Nothing else to discuss on this bug beyond the review. | 15:12 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1758093 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758093 in neutron "DVR: RPC error handling missing for get_network_info_for_id" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:13 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555095/ | 15:13 |
| Swami | Need another +2 on this patch. haleyb: thanks for the review. | 15:13 |
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| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1753434 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1753434 in neutron "Unbound ports floating ip not working with address scopes in DVR HA " [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:14 |
| Swami | I need to triage this issue. | 15:14 |
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| Swami | For unbound ports the floatingip should be configured in the centralized snat_node. But there might be clash betweent he iptable rule that might be blocking the traffic. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | I will triage this scenario and see why it is not working | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1718345 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718345 in neutron "ml2_distributed_port_bindings not cleared after migration from DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:18 |
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| Swami | I haven't revisited this patch. But will try to get to it. | 15:18 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1758316 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758316 in neutron "Floating IP QoS don't work in DVR router" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:19 |
| Swami | I have not triaged this bug yet. But based on the notes, there is some more work to triage this based on the setup. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | Last but not least | 15:20 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1756301 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756301 in neutron "Tempest DVR HA multimode tests fails due to no FIP connectivity" [High,Confirmed] | 15:20 |
| Swami | I did not get a chance this week to look into this either. | 15:20 |
| haleyb | was liu going to look into it? based on comments | 15:21 |
| Swami | haleyb: Not sure if you had any information on the this test failure. | 15:21 |
| Swami | That's all I had to update on the DVR bugs. | 15:21 |
| Swami | haleyb: back to you | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | Swami: thanks | 15:22 |
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| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1756301 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756301 in neutron "Tempest DVR HA multimode tests fails due to no FIP connectivity" [High,Confirmed] | 15:22 |
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| haleyb | This one continues to be an issue, I am still looking into it | 15:22 |
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| haleyb | There was also an issue noticed in the CI meeting where after a DVR/DVR-HA migration things don't seem to work | 15:23 |
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| haleyb | So there might be some issue with floating IPs and DVR HA, seems to be common in some of these bugs | 15:24 |
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| Swami | haleyb: Ok, | 15:25 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1757482 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1757482 in neutron "IP address for a router interface allowed outside the allocation range of subnet" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: Also I was wondering, if we can split that test case into four different test. I am wondering if there is any issue with the cleanup of the resources when all four test cases are executed back to back. | 15:26 |
| haleyb | #undo | 15:27 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1757482 | 15:27 |
| haleyb | Swami: there probably is, have another bug | 15:27 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:27 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1759321 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1759321 in neutron "not cleaned up router, ports, networks after running neutron_tempest_plugin " [Medium,New] | 15:27 |
| haleyb | ^^, although most of the resources are unique | 15:28 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes I did see this bug. | 15:29 |
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| haleyb | Swami: i haven't looked at splitting that other test up though, it should be able to run as-is i would think, but haven't looked | 15:30 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok, when I was doing my testing I was trying to locally run it two at time, and I had random failures in both cases. Most of the failures where when transitioning from fip to non-fip or non-fip to fip case. | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | Swami: so it's associating/dis-associating a fip? | 15:33 |
| Swami | haleyb: I will confirm | 15:34 |
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| haleyb | Swami: thanks. what i saw in the logs was that metadata failed in all the cases, so ssh would never work. i have a setup i should be able to try migrations on and see what happens | 15:35 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:35 |
| haleyb | the other bug i mentioned was more in the ipam side, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1757482 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1757482 in neutron "IP address for a router interface allowed outside the allocation range of subnet" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:36 |
| haleyb | i'm tracking it but have not tried to recreate yet | 15:37 |
| haleyb | any other bugs? | 15:37 |
| idlemind | haleyb in general? | 15:37 |
| haleyb | idlemind: well, in L3 hopefully :) | 15:38 |
| idlemind | lol well if bgp is l3 ... i'd like to move along the patch set to fix up my bgp auth_type issue | 15:39 |
| idlemind | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1750121 ... the master patch was approved but not the backports | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1750121 in neutron "Dynamic routing: adding speaker to agent fails" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Harbott (j-harbott) | 15:39 |
| idlemind | I'm new to the process but I think the stable/pike one needs a verify to run gates and the queens one just needs a thumbs up / down on whether or not we care about the one failing test | 15:40 |
| haleyb | idlemind: need reviews on the backports | 15:40 |
| idlemind | should i post my own +1 on my adjustment to pike one? or do i wait for another peer to review? | 15:41 |
| haleyb | idlemind: sure, i just don't follow much in that repo | 15:43 |
| idlemind | ah; right sorry still learning the ropes on how stuff moves thorugh | 15:43 |
| haleyb | any other bugs? | 15:44 |
| haleyb | ok, moving on | 15:45 |
| haleyb | #topic DVR openflow | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR openflow (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:45 | |
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| haleyb | hmm, don't see david around any more | 15:45 |
| haleyb | #topic Open Agenda | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:46 | |
| haleyb | nothing on the etherpad, anything else to discuss? | 15:47 |
| Swami | haleyb: nothing from me | 15:48 |
| haleyb | ok i'll call it then, thanks for coming everyone | 15:48 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 29 15:48:37 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-03-29-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-03-29-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-03-29-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting api sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 29 16:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | tc is navel gazing | 16:01 |
| elmiko | omphaloskepsis, my favorite past time =) | 16:01 |
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| elmiko | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:02 | |
| elmiko | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/ | 16:02 |
| elmiko | so, i reviewed 444892 and added my comments on the review | 16:02 |
| cdent | saw that, how should we proceed? | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i think it would be cool to fix up the doc, add the missing material, and then have it link off the microversion guideline with a "read some history" type note | 16:03 |
| elmiko | it's certainly not a guideline, but it is an interesting read imo | 16:03 |
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| cdent | It could help people to get to the more basic why of it, rather than just because "openstack says so" | 16:04 |
| elmiko | right | 16:04 |
| elmiko | that's kinda why i think it would be cool to have a link at the top of the microversion guideline to it | 16:04 |
| elmiko | clearly warning the reader that it is editorial/history and not guideline | 16:05 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:05 |
| cdent | are you volunteering or do you want to pass the ball? | 16:05 |
| edleafe | That was my impression, too | 16:05 |
| edleafe | Not a guideline at all | 16:06 |
| elmiko | i could help fix it up, but i'm not sure i have the context for the one section where Sean mentioned diagrams | 16:06 |
| elmiko | that didn't make sense to me right away | 16:06 |
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| cdent | I've also reviewed a presentation where sean used similar diagrams and I think he's mental modelling in his own way (from the inside) that might be a blocker, so it might make sense to keep the idea of diagrams, but different ones | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | o/ (sorry, forgot) | 16:07 |
| elmiko | fair | 16:07 |
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| elmiko | i guess i need to understand the issue about adding fields a little better as well | 16:07 |
| edleafe | it should live in /doc, not /guidelines, right? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | hmm, yeah, that makes more sense | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i don't mind taking a whack at the first rework on that | 16:09 |
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| elmiko | #action elmiko post a pr for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444892 | 16:10 |
| cdent | yay! | 16:11 |
| elmiko | we might want to engage mordred for his thoughts on the SDKs and Client Applications sections | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i guess we can work it out through the review process though | 16:11 |
| * mordred has time to spend on things again! | 16:12 | |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:12 |
| elmiko | mordred: any suggestions you have on that pr up there are greatly appreciated =) | 16:12 |
| mordred | kk | 16:13 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | mordred++ | 16:13 |
| mordred | (I mean, other than my suggestions for alternate names) | 16:13 |
| elmiko | yes, please XD | 16:13 |
| elmiko | were those name suggestions serious, i am not in the know enough to get the references | 16:14 |
| elmiko | i thought you /might/ be joking, but couldn't tell | 16:14 |
| mordred | elmiko: honestly, I'm not sure _I_ know | 16:15 |
| elmiko | hahaha, well played sir | 16:15 |
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| elmiko | the only other action item was for edleafe, i think that was completed as well | 16:15 |
| elmiko | #topic open mic and ongoing or new biz | 16:16 |
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| elmiko | Write something up for forum topics: | 16:16 |
| elmiko | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 16:16 |
| elmiko | so, who is going to forum? | 16:16 |
| cdent | we don't specifically need to do anything at the forum, but if we want to, that's the place to start something | 16:16 |
| cdent | me | 16:16 |
| edleafe | I'll be there | 16:17 |
| elmiko | ahh, gotcha | 16:17 |
| * mordred will be there | 16:17 | |
| elmiko | i won't be there, do you folks want to host any topics? | 16:17 |
| edleafe | We can see if there is any interest in a x-proj with SDK folks | 16:17 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:17 |
| * edleafe wants to keep trying to draw them in | 16:17 | |
| mordred | I havea topic related to dtantsur's microversion spec - and a patch we got over in openstacksdk land ... | 16:17 |
| elmiko | that sounds great to me edleafe | 16:17 |
| cdent | that's a good idea | 16:17 |
| * dtantsur is not going | 16:18 | |
| mordred | (although it's slighly more specific perhaps) | 16:18 |
| elmiko | mordred: ok, let's pick that up next | 16:18 |
| mordred | elmiko: sweet, thanks | 16:18 |
| elmiko | so edleafe or cdent, does one of you want to add something for forum then? | 16:18 |
| elmiko | or i guess talk to the sdk folks? | 16:19 |
| edleafe | not sure. Maybe I could ping Melvin, since he was an original mover for this? | 16:20 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 16:20 |
| elmiko | #action edleafe reach out to Melvin about potential sdk cross project topic for forum | 16:21 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to ping Melvin Hillsman about a joint SDK/API-SIG meeting at the Forum | 16:21 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:21 |
| edleafe | #undo | 16:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action edleafe to ping Melvin Hillsman about a joint SDK/API-SIG meeting at the Forum | 16:21 |
| elmiko | anything else on this before we turn the floor over to mordred ? | 16:22 |
| dtantsur | maybe if we leave two action items on edleafe, he'll double the effort? | 16:22 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 16:22 | |
| mordred | dtantsur: ++ | 16:22 |
| elmiko | alright then, the floor is yours mordred | 16:23 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: nah, I'll just send Melvin two copies of the same email | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:23 |
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| mordred | it seems in some places people have been re-using the api version setting (like OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION) | 16:24 |
| mordred | to set what keystoneauth/openstacksdk consider 'default_microversion' | 16:24 |
| mordred | in keystoneauth we distinguish the two - api_version means major api version and microversion/default_microversion means microversion | 16:24 |
| mordred | so on the one hand I'd sort of prefer to _not_ take OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION and have it set a default microversion | 16:24 |
| mordred | but on the other hand it's easy enough to say "if '.' in OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION: default_microversion=OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION" | 16:24 |
| mordred | what do people think the right thing to do is? | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | is it about CLI or SDK? | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | I'm pretty sure we do OS_BAREMETAL_API_VERSION in CLI (but not in the SDK) | 16:25 |
| mordred | dtantsur: same config source - so it needs to behave the same in both | 16:25 |
| dtantsur | I may not understand what you mean by "same config source" | 16:25 |
| dtantsur | maybe because I don't know openstacksdk | 16:25 |
| mordred | well, a human can have baremetal_api_version set in clouds.yaml | 16:25 |
| elmiko | i kinda like not using OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION as the default, but if this is easier for actual users then maybe we should consider the other | 16:25 |
| mordred | and that will get used by openstacksdk and by osc | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | right | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | so again, what's the problem? you don't want people to use it for <...>? | 16:26 |
| mordred | well, more specifically, it'll be used by os_client_config/openstack.config to create the keystoneauth adapters in question | 16:26 |
| mordred | dtantsur: the main issue is that currently the behavior is undefined | 16:26 |
| mordred | people using python-*client have one behavior expectation that we *can* choose to behave the same as | 16:27 |
| mordred | or we could say "f you want to configure a default microversion, use OS_BAREMETAL_DEFAULT_MICROVERSION / baremetal_default_microversion | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | omg | 16:27 |
| mordred | it's really a question of what to do if someone sets OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION=2.45 | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | this is the microversion (and that's what we do in ironic's OSC plugin btw) | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | people will rightfully hate us for too many options doing seemingly the same thing | 16:28 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: ++ | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | especially, if the major version configuration will differ from major version of a microversion (what am I saying?) | 16:28 |
| elmiko | yeah, agreed dtantsur | 16:28 |
| mordred | dtantsur: ok. so you're in favor of feeding 2.45 into default_microversion if we find a versoin of such a form | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | mordred: very strongly in favor, yes | 16:28 |
| mordred | kk | 16:29 |
| elmiko | sweet | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | it would be a different story if we did not include a major version in a microversion :D | 16:29 |
| elmiko | anything more on this, like do we need a guideline? | 16:29 |
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| dtantsur | elmiko: since we already have one guideline proposed targeting SDKs, why not have moar? | 16:30 |
| mordred | _maybe_ we need to say something in dtantsur's guideline about how to deal with api_version env/config as it relates to the options? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | i was just curious if we need a new doc, or can we add this on to the microversion stuff that currently exists? | 16:30 |
| cdent | If there's documentation for clouds.yaml I don't think we should duplicate that | 16:30 |
| elmiko | yeah, mordred, that's kinda what i was wondering | 16:30 |
| dtantsur | mordred: sure, but maybe as a follow-up (simply not to unfreeze it just for it) | 16:30 |
| elmiko | dtantsur: ++ | 16:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 16:31 |
| mordred | dtantsur: although I *was* going to quibble about the example parameter names ... | 16:31 |
| elmiko | so, that last question, who wants to write that follow up? | 16:31 |
| mordred | but I thinkn that can also go into a followup | 16:31 |
| mordred | since they're just examples | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | mordred: this is going to be a fun conversation ;) | 16:31 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:31 |
| mordred | dtantsur: :) | 16:31 |
| edleafe | elmiko: sounds like mordred just volunteered :) | 16:32 |
| mordred | dtantsur: mainly just we already have parameter names in openstacksdk/keystoneauth and they are not what is used in the examples | 16:32 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:32 |
| mordred | elmiko: yah. I can do the followup(s) | 16:32 |
| elmiko | thanks mordred ! | 16:32 |
| dtantsur | cool | 16:32 |
| elmiko | #action mordred right followup guidance of microversions in default config values | 16:32 |
| elmiko | does that make sense? | 16:32 |
| elmiko | oh wait | 16:32 |
| elmiko | #undo | 16:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action mordred right followup guidance of microversions in default config values | 16:33 |
| elmiko | #action mordred write followup guidance of microversions in default config values | 16:33 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:33 |
| mordred | hahaha | 16:33 |
| elmiko | *now* does it make sense? | 16:33 |
| edleafe | right wasn't right | 16:33 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:33 |
| dtantsur | hehe | 16:33 |
| elmiko | cut me some slack, i'm going on pto in 30 minutes XD | 16:33 |
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| elmiko | ok, so i have a quick update re: os-api-ref and mugsie's work | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i've been studying the options and i think i have an idea about how we can use openapi to capture our schemas, even with microversions | 16:34 |
| * mugsie perks up | 16:35 | |
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| elmiko | i need to do a little more research, but i would like to propose a doc about this and maybe we can incorporate into the output pr for os-api-ref | 16:35 |
| elmiko | basically, i think we can use some of the extension mechanics in openapi to give us visibility into historical microversions | 16:35 |
| elmiko | the main openapi schema would define the current version of an api, with microversions in the extensions | 16:36 |
| mugsie | elmiko: cool. if we can get an end game for the schema, I can look at fixing the review | 16:36 |
| elmiko | mugsie: sweet, i will put more time into writing this up, perhaps next week or the following i will have it done | 16:36 |
| elmiko | the net upside is the we could use current openapi tooling to process a "master" version of any api | 16:37 |
| dtantsur | that may work | 16:37 |
| elmiko | the down side is that someone would need to make tooling that could ingest the microversions, but this won't be too bad | 16:37 |
| dtantsur | though I'm not sure if the extensions can express e.g. a field changing its type and semantics | 16:37 |
| elmiko | and might help Gilles situation as well | 16:37 |
| dtantsur | (think, server's flavor) | 16:37 |
| elmiko | dtantsur: i _think_ it can, but i am not quite done with my investigation yet | 16:38 |
| elmiko | basically, i'm pretty sure there is a way to capture entire path object trees and that would go a long way to helping with big changes | 16:38 |
| elmiko | we could then use definitions and extension mechanics to carry other bits as needed | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i will write this all up though | 16:39 |
| dtantsur | cool, elmiko++ | 16:39 |
| elmiko | that's all from me | 16:39 |
| elmiko | anything else for open mic? | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #topic guidelines | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:40 | |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:40 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:40 |
| edleafe | I just answered dtantsur's comment on the HTTP refactor | 16:41 |
| elmiko | so, we get to merge dtantsur's =) | 16:41 |
| elmiko | or do we? | 16:41 |
| edleafe | Basically, I don't know enough about Sphinx to get any fancier than it currently is | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: I can help you with sphinx-foo, but I'm out till Tue | 16:42 |
| elmiko | dtantsur, do you want to take a shot at prettyfying it ? | 16:42 |
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| dtantsur | elmiko: totally, but see ^^^ | 16:42 |
| elmiko | yup | 16:42 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: that's ok, I guess it's time I learned | 16:42 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:42 |
| elmiko | #action dtantsur help to make https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554234/ purty | 16:42 |
| dtantsur | purrrr | 16:42 |
| elmiko | hehe =) | 16:42 |
| edleafe | let me take first crack at it | 16:42 |
| elmiko | and i'm guessing we are merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532814/ ? | 16:43 |
| elmiko | edleafe you wanna take the honors on that | 16:43 |
| edleafe | sure! | 16:43 |
| edleafe | +W'd | 16:43 |
| elmiko | i guess we can address Akihiro's issues on a followup, but he didn't -1 | 16:44 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 16:44 |
| dtantsur | yeah, when people +1 I assume they're fine | 16:44 |
| cdent | my two proposals look like they need some review | 16:44 |
| edleafe | follow-ups are always good | 16:44 |
| elmiko | yeah, and there is still the larger question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554921/ | 16:44 |
| elmiko | like, do we want type in there | 16:44 |
| elmiko | originally i liked your proposal cdent, but after you made me think about it more i am not so sure | 16:45 |
| cdent | Yeah, I wanted to make people think | 16:45 |
| cdent | however, if mordred is still around he probably has a strong opinion | 16:45 |
| elmiko | my only objection would be if there were ever a situation where 2 different named services could fill the same type, then the errors might not be as specific as necessary | 16:46 |
| elmiko | but that might be over paranoid on my part | 16:46 |
| cdent | thei idea is that that's not suposed to happen | 16:46 |
| edleafe | cdent: Perhaps a bit meatier commit message would help others understand your thinking | 16:46 |
| mordred | cdent: I alwayshave a strong opinion | 16:46 |
| cdent | edleafe: I was trying to leave it open for the sake of people finding their own way | 16:47 |
| edleafe | mordred: wow, you're fast | 16:47 |
| mordred | cdent: yes to service-typeplease, if that's the quesiton | 16:47 |
| cdent | mordred: yes | 16:47 |
| edleafe | cdent: you realize that most people will just get lost :) | 16:47 |
| cdent | I guess I thought people would read the bug | 16:48 |
| mordred | if two differently named services fill the same type and do not return the same named errors for error conditions, then something is horribly broken | 16:48 |
| * cdent is ever in hope | 16:48 | |
| mordred | as users of the service would have no way of knowing how to deal with the api | 16:48 |
| elmiko | that makes some sense to me mordred, i was trying to think of weird scenarios where type might not be sufficient | 16:49 |
| elmiko | but maybe those scenarios don't really make sense | 16:49 |
| mordred | elmiko: they probalby exist - but are all evil :) | 16:49 |
| elmiko | hahaha, fair | 16:49 |
| dtantsur | I'm with mordred on this one | 16:50 |
| cdent | I knew mordred would stand for this one | 16:50 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 16:50 |
| elmiko | 10 minutes left, anything else on the guidelines? | 16:50 |
| edleafe | not from me | 16:51 |
| elmiko | #topic bug review | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:51 | |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 16:51 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 16:51 |
| elmiko | don't think there is anything new here | 16:51 |
| cdent | nope | 16:51 |
| elmiko | seems like we should mark this up though, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1756464 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756464 in openstack-api-sig "Errors guidelines reference service name, should be type" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
| elmiko | if everyone agrees it is a bug | 16:52 |
| cdent | seems so | 16:52 |
| edleafe | +1 | 16:52 |
| elmiko | ok, updated | 16:53 |
| cdent | our hookup for autoginning the hookup with patches doesn't seem reliable | 16:53 |
| elmiko | if you say so | 16:54 |
| elmiko | it took me like 4 reads to get that | 16:54 |
| elmiko | hehe | 16:54 |
| elmiko | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:54 |
| cdent | i'm well past the number of hours and brains I should have used this week | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:54 | |
| elmiko | LOL, inorite? | 16:55 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:55 |
| elmiko | as noted earlier i am going on pto shortly, any volunteers? | 16:55 |
| * cdent taps foot | 16:55 | |
| cdent | oh fine | 16:55 |
| cdent | :) | 16:55 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 16:55 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent | 16:55 |
| cdent | you going away, or just off? | 16:55 |
| elmiko | just off, wife and i are spending some quality time around town | 16:56 |
| edleafe | noice | 16:56 |
| cdent | very nice | 16:56 |
| elmiko | =) | 16:56 |
| elmiko | hope y'all have a nice weekend as well! | 16:56 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 29 16:56:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| cdent | thanks have a nice time off | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-03-29-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-03-29-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-03-29-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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