Thursday, 2018-05-03

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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara14:00
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openstackMeeting started Thu May  3 14:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at
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tellesnobregashow of hands :)14:01
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tellesnobregalet's start14:01
tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates14:01
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tellesnobregaI'm working on figuring out the CDH image problem, also working on boot from volume14:02
tellesnobregaand plugins split in between14:02
zchkunI submit the patch of vanilla 2.7.5 upgrade, but waiting for review, and have begun with the vanilla 3.0.0 upgrade.14:04
toskyshorter week for me (1 public holiday and 1 vacation), so no many updates on my side; I started reviewing properly the mox patches (few already merged)14:04
jeremyfreudbergunfortuantely no update from me, really14:05
tellesnobregaok, lets move on14:06
tellesnobrega#topic Plugins upgrades14:07
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tellesnobregaif we all remember, we have to work on plugins upgrades and deprecations14:07
tellesnobregajust so we all remember properly14:07
tellesnobregafor CDH  we want to upgrade to 5.1314:08
tellesnobregaMapR we need to upgrade to 614:08
tellesnobregaAmbari 2.6 (I think we already have this one)14:08
tellesnobregaSpark upgrade to 2.3.014:08
tellesnobregaStorm upgrade to 1.2.1 and 1.2.0 under 1.2 tag14:08
tellesnobregavanilla upgrade to 3 and add 2.7.5 (thanks zchkun for working on this)14:09
tellesnobregaanyone has any concerns on those?14:09
tellesnobregaI will work on removing all versions for all plugins that we won't support anymore14:09
toskywe have HDP 2.6, but not yet image generation support for Ambari 2.614:09
toskyalso, we had a connected plan to remove support for plugins only working on trusty14:10
tellesnobregawe can recheck those versions, but I believe it is already the case14:10
toskyaccording that plan, which should complete at least in S (as trusty will go EOL that time), the version to remove should be:14:11
jeremyfreudbergthose plugin upgrades sound good to me14:11
jeremyfreudbergisn't spark plugin still trusty?14:11
tosky#link see lines 263, deprecation of trusty14:12
jeremyfreudbergactually, no, we're good for spark, 2.2.x added xenial14:12
tellesnobregaI will start removing those versions and depending we finalize it in S14:13
toskyso yes, for ubuntu, the plan is: remove spark < 2.2; drop mapr 5.2; drop cdh <5.1114:13
toskyfor cdh, we could at least deprecate them14:14
toskyfor both ubuntu and centos14:14
jeremyfreudbergtosky: eh, for mapr 5.2 that should probably deprecate as well14:14
toskyfor mapr, if we can't add mapr 6.0, we can at least keep centos14:14
toskyyeah, at least deprecate - just to be sure, with the usual meaning of "deprecate in sahara" so "no more cluster creation", or just disabled by default and marked deprecated, but you can use it at your own risk?14:15
tellesnobregajust disabled by default and we probably won't be able to help you out with issues, but you can use at your own risk14:16
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tellesnobregathe idea was just to bring up so we remember that we need to work on this also for myself14:18
tellesnobregathanks zchkun for working on vanilla, I will try to review it today14:19
zchkunok, thank you14:19
tellesnobrega#topic Vancouver Summit14:19
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tellesnobregaas probably all of you know, in 2 weeks I'm heading to vancouver for the summit,14:20
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tellesnobregaI will be presenting in two slots14:20
tellesnobregaproject update14:20
toskyuh, only 2 weeks14:20
tellesnobregaand project onboard14:20
tellesnobregaI will prepare both of them and I'll send them to you so I can get some feedback14:21
tellesnobregaif that is ok with you14:21
tellesnobregaI plan to have something done by wednesday next week14:21
jeremyfreudbergsounds good14:21
tellesnobregabtw, as I mentioned last week, I will out from May 13th since I'm taking one week off before the summit to visit some old friends in Canada14:22
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, are you going to Vancouver?14:22
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega: not this time14:23
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tellesnobregaI think that is it for the summit14:23
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion14:23
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tellesnobregaI don't have anything more for today, anyone?14:24
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, updates on CI?14:24
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toskyjeremyfreudberg: about the plugin spec: after the last exchange of messages, I think that it's almost fine; if you have some time can you please recheck it, as you had some questions?14:25
toskyuh, CI first14:25
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega: i wish. but right now nothing. i haven't had time myself. not sure if evgeny's made any progress14:25
jeremyfreudbergtosky: yes, i'll go over that review now14:25
tellesnobregaalso, please lets review
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toskyuh, right14:26
tellesnobregaand that is it for me14:27
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jeremyfreudbergthat's it for me too14:28
toskyand also (shameless plug) for and
toskyand the mox patches, both if you agree with my +2 and if you don't :)14:28
toskyapart from few smaller issues, we are basically halfway the mox removal process (probably more, if I count also the -1 for minor issues)14:29
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tellesnobregatosky, that is great. I'm not sure how we are on the other community goal, I will ask shuyiang next week14:30
toskyfinal question from my side for this meeting: can I propose a patch to switch wsgi by default in our devstack deployments?14:32
tellesnobregaI think yes, but can you explain what is the impact of that?14:33
jeremyfreudbergi'd like to know the reason too, not just hte impact14:34
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toskyif I understand it correctly the goal for pike, adding support for wsgi was just part of it14:36
toskyand the other part is switching14:36
toskylet me recheck14:36
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tosky"Switch devstack jobs to deploy control-plane API services under uwsgi with Apache acting as a front end proxy."14:37
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, I guess we need to read up :)14:37
toskyright now the devstack jobs (tempest, scenario) normally deploys using the old way (non-wsgi), and we have an additional scenario-wsgi job14:37
jeremyfreudbergtosky: then you're right, wsgi should be the default14:38
toskyso if I read the goal correctly, we should switch wsgi as primary; we can keep a job with the old way for now14:38
tellesnobregago ahead and send the patch14:38
toskyopenstack-ansible-os_sahara already deploys with wsgi14:38
toskypuppet-sahara does not; I opened a bug (but I guess it will need some work on our side)14:38
toskyokidoki :)14:39
jeremyfreudbergthanks tosky14:40
tellesnobregaI guess that is all14:41
tellesnobregathanks all, let's keep up the good work, see you all next week14:42
toskythanks all!14:42
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haleyb#startmeeting neutron_l315:01
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* haleyb waits for quorum as miguel will not be attending today15:01
haleybsince noone else has joined I will cancel the meeting for this week15:05
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Xubo-Zhanghi all,15:21
Xubo-Zhangis this meeting alive?15:21
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elmiko#startmeeting api sig16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May  3 16:00:51 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at
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elmiko#chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur16:01
openstackWarning: Nick not in channel: cdent16:01
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openstackCurrent chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko16:01
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* dtantsur sorry, dragged into a meeting that can be a short email exchange16:01
elmikono worries16:01
elmikomight just be you and me16:01
elmikoi'll give it a minute or two to see if edleafe or cdent is around16:02
edleafeSorry, lost track of time16:02
elmikono worries16:02
elmikoi don't see cdent around16:02
elmiko#topic previous meeting action items16:02
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elmikodid we have any actions last time?16:03
edleafeBTW, cdent is on holiday this week16:03
elmikosurvey say, no16:03
elmikoahh, cool!16:03
elmiko#topic open mic and ongoing or new biz16:03
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elmikoso, i added the graphql topic16:03
elmikothat's the start of the email thread16:04
elmikomainly, i just added it to get opinions from the wider sig16:04
elmikoeither of you have any thoughts about what Gilles is proposing, and using graphql in openstack in general16:04
dtantsurI'm skeptical16:04
dtantsurit seems to be one of that hype things To Solve ALL The Problems, that may be difficult in reality16:05
elmikoi don't know a ton about graphql, would either of you be willing to write something for the list replying to Gilles?16:05
edleafeI've only looked at GraphQL a bit, and share dtantsur's skepticism16:05
elmikoi think it's a huge amount of work to propose that openstack shift to graphql, even if it's a long term thing16:05
edleafeIMO, it would be best attempted by a separate, dedicated group first16:06
dtantsurwell, I can respond something among the lines of "Which terrible problems with REST are we going to solve by taking such a huge effort?"16:06
edleafeAnd if they achieve the success they envision, we could then make it standard16:06
elmikoedleafe: that sounds way too reasonable XD16:06
edleafeIf it fails to achieve that, well, we haven't derailed the other teams16:06
elmikobut, maybe Gilles and others who are interested would be willing to take on that work16:06
dtantsurI guess a prototype of some share of, say, nova API would be interesting16:07
edleafeIOW, I agree with the tweet16:07
elmikoi don't feel i know enough to agree with the tweet16:07
edleafeEvery few years something comes along that promises to solve everyone's problems16:08
elmikoit seems like there is a desire for not only the schema side of things but perhaps the functionality as well. i've just been following that thread, and it seems like there are at least 2 ppl who are excited by the notion16:08
edleafeIt *does* make the 80% super-easy, so people get excited16:08
edleafeThen they try to implement the 20%, and get bogged down16:08
dtantsurthis ^^^16:08
edleafethey end up spending way more time on the 20% than they did previously on the 100%16:09
dtantsurREST is also great when you implement CRUD16:09
edleafeSo if I sound skeptical, that's because I am. :)16:09
edleafeBut I'd really like to keep an open mind. Maybe this time it will work as advertised!16:10
edleafeSo let's keep our skepticism to a minimum, and encourage Gilles to get a team together to tackle a single API to start16:10
elmikook, well i think we should at least respond on list16:10
elmikoyeah, i like that edleafe16:10
elmikook, moving along16:11
elmikoany other open biz topics?16:11
edleafe#action edleafe to respond to the GraphGL thread16:11
elmikothanks edleafe !16:11
elmikoi suppose we should at least mention the bof session too16:12
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action edleafe to respond to the GraphGL thread16:12
edleafe#action edleafe to respond to the GraphQL thread16:12
edleafeYeah, I was going to bring that up16:12
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edleafeDid either of you read my reply to Gilles as being dismissive?16:13
edleafeOnce I re-read it, I could see how he might have interpreted it that way16:13
elmikoi thought it could be taken a little snarky, for sure16:13
edleafeelmiko: ok, thanks for the reality check16:13
mordredI didn't - but then I know you well16:13
elmikoright, same here mordred16:14
edleafeif you knew me well, you'd assume snark16:14
mordredyah - but not dismissiveness through snark - just snark :)16:14
elmikoi knew you didn't mean ill, but i could see how it could be taken wrong16:14
mordredfwiw, I think neutron would be an excellent trial balloon candidate16:14
edleafemordred: ah, that makes sense :)16:14
elmikomordred: for graphql?16:14
dtantsurtbh your response did not sound bad to me16:14
mordredthe number of api calls needed to essentially do joins client side is usually rather painful16:14
edleafemordred: better for what reasons?16:14
mordrededleafe: yup16:14
edleafeanswered before I asked16:15
mordredthe api basically is exposing individual db tables and the user has to do client-side linking of things ... that said - what would REALLY be useful is a consolidated graphql interface16:15
elmikook, so for the forum session, should we make a simple paragraph for the bof just saying come talk about api sig stuff. open agenda and all ?16:16
mordredbecause what I REALLY need to do is "please give me the port id for the port associated with this server that's on this netwrk"16:16
edleafeso would the people developing this graphql interface need to be intimately familiar with Neutron?16:16
mordrededleafe: I don;t think so, no16:16
edleafeok, great16:16
edleafeThen let's propose that to Gilles et. al.16:17
mordreddeveloping the graphql would be about exposing the 'tables' into the model - which is prettymuch already done in the existing rest api and/or sqlalchemy layer16:17
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elmikomordred: would you mind adding these thoughts to the email thread?16:17
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mordredelmiko: sure thing!16:20
elmikoany other open biz?16:21
elmiko(i'm just going to assume everyone agrees with my thoughts about the bof XD)16:21
edleafeWho's going to formally reply to the description request?16:21
elmiko#topic guidelines16:21
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elmikoedleafe: i suppose i can16:22
elmiko#action elmiko respond to description request for forum bof16:22
elmikoanything new here?16:23
elmikolooks like no16:23
elmiko#topic bug review16:23
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elmikoi'm guessing same story here16:24
edleafeall quiet on the API-SIG front16:24
elmikosome day we'll burn these old issues down ;)16:24
elmikohaha ++16:24
elmiko#topic weekly newsletter16:24
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* edleafe raises hand sheepishly16:25
elmikocool, thanks16:25
edleafeUsual ping in -sdks when it is ready16:26
elmikoany other last words for the meeting?16:26
edleafesnark is always a good word16:26
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elmikothat's a good place to end =)16:26
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rkukurahi tbachman18:01
rkukuradon’t see Sumit or Anna18:01
tbachmanrkukura: k.18:03
tbachmanShall we call it in 5 minutes?18:03
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam has been sick, I think?18:04
rkukuradon’t think its happening18:05
tbachmangive it just a minute more18:05
tbachmanrkukura: he might be coming18:08
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rkukurahi SumitNaiksatam18:08
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman: hi18:08
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:08
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for the reminder, i lost track of time18:09
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np! ;)18:09
SumitNaiksatamdidnt have much planned for the meeting today18:09
SumitNaiksatambut will start it anyway18:09
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:09
openstackMeeting started Thu May  3 18:09:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at
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SumitNaiksatamhi all18:09
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi18:10
SumitNaiksatamunfortunately i didnt get a chance to look at the vmware NSX driver patch over the past weeek18:10
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: It has my +218:10
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: oh cool, thanks rkukura for taking a look18:10
* tbachman looks down in shame18:10
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: oh come on18:11
SumitNaiksatami didnt have much to discuss at my end today18:11
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman anythign you had planned to bring up18:12
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: nope18:12
rkukuraI’ve got some review comments on the validation patch from Ivar18:12
SumitNaiksatamperhaps annak was around earlier but she is not online now18:12
rkukuraI expect to make a minor update to it tomorrow morning18:12
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: okay18:12
rkukurawould be good to get any additional feedback in before then so I can incorporate it18:13
* tbachman hangs head in shame again18:13
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: thanks, will try at my end18:13
rkukuraOK, I plan to start working on the GBP part, and will try to do it in a way that can reuse the GBP->Neutron mapping validation for non-AIM PDs18:14
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: nice, thanks18:14
SumitNaiksatamif nothing else we can wrap18:14
rkukuranothing from me18:14
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: tbachman: thanks and see you next time18:14
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openstackMeeting ended Thu May  3 18:14:58 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)18:15
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