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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 14:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:01 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:01 |
| zchkun | o/ | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| tellesnobrega | I'm still waiting for the patch on the openstackclient to land, also I finished upgrade of storm and spark | 14:02 |
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| tellesnobrega | I'm now giving a try on adding support to ambari 2.6.2.0 | 14:02 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | totally engrossed in S3 stuff | 14:03 |
| tosky | I tested the fix for CDH/extjs, and working on the devstack-plugin-ceph to prepare the S3 testing | 14:04 |
| zchkun | I'm in process of MapR6 upgrade | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sounds like we are all hard at work | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic OpenStack PTG | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack PTG (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| tosky | this time at the beginning of the week | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | you all have probably seen the email we are booked for monday and tuesday | 14:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | was that intentional? | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | does that work for everyone? | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | not from us | 14:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it should be fine | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | I think they changed the order this time | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | individual projects and later the cross-projects stuff | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, since it works for everyone I will let it be this way | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | to be more specific, i can only ever go at most 3 out of 5 days, if we are monday tuesday then i can visit API SIG and stuff which will be nice | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | I have to change my hotel booking, because I had schedule from monday to saturday, | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | lets keep monday and tuesday | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well, unless we want tuesday-wednesday | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | I will start an etherpad later so we start gathering topics | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | either way works for me | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i might be slightly in favor of tuesday-wednesday, because it gives us some freedom on monday.... freedom on thursday and friday doesn't help us | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, do you have any preferred days? | 14:09 |
| tosky | I still don't know about my travel, so I can't really point out anything | 14:09 |
| tosky | Monday-Tuesday would give me one or two days for QA (which starts on Wed iirc) | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, I will send out an email on the ML later so we can decide which days are best for us | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sounds good | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, what are the topics you want to discuss? | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | so I can change accordingly | 14:12 |
| tosky | tellesnobrega: now or for the PTG? | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | now | 14:13 |
| tosky | oh, ok, more general reminder about something that we did in the past and we should do again | 14:13 |
| tosky | doc review and story cleanup | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Doc Review and Story Cleanup | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc Review and Story Cleanup (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:14 | |
| tellesnobrega | you have the floor | 14:14 |
| tosky | The topic should be self-explanatory, I think that we should give some focus on those topics again before Rocky | 14:15 |
| tosky | we did a doc review before Queens, but with no many action items (I think that tellesnobrega and jeremyfreudberg pushed few changes at least) | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | do you want to organize a doc review day? | 14:15 |
| tosky | yeah, maybe focus on few topic: I would personally get the image building | 14:15 |
| tosky | reorganize it throughout the existing page to remove duplications and inconsistencies | 14:16 |
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| tosky | and so on | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | we can send an email on ML to start organizing a day that works best for everyone | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | I totally agree that we need it | 14:16 |
| tosky | probably not next week, with holidays in the US, and after 9th (which seems to be holiday in Brazil) | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | sure | 14:17 |
| * jeremyfreudberg reminds tosky that jeremyfreudberg is gone the weeks of july 16 and july 23 | 14:18 | |
| tosky | okidoki | 14:18 |
| tosky | we can do also more sessions | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | of course | 14:18 |
| tosky | apart from documentation, I'm not sure if we went through stories recently; I did it through few of them while looking for one, and probably we need to recheck the status | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | we can set up a first and do more sessions after that one | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds good too | 14:18 |
| tosky | apart from bugs, there were few requests that are small enough that could be squeezed in | 14:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, we definitely have some intereesting stories out there | 14:19 |
| tosky | but we probably lack a general picture right now | 14:19 |
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| tosky | just remember that when you list all the stories for a project, storyboard shows a story as active if there is at least one task still open, even if it's for a different project | 14:20 |
| tosky | so the number is slightly smaller than what you see | 14:20 |
| tosky | but still, big enough :) | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, can you send out the email so we can set it up? | 14:20 |
| tosky | oki | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | anything else on this topic? | 14:21 |
| tosky | not from me | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, do you have other topic you want to discuss? jeremyfreudberg or zchkun as well? | 14:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'd like to hear about mapr6 | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | if there are any problems with the upgrade so far | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | lets go to open discussion | 14:23 |
| zchkun | I am testing to build mapr5.0.1 image, but it is fault | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:24 | |
| tellesnobrega | mapr 5? or 6? | 14:24 |
| zchkun | I prepare to build 6, but first want to test 5 | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | what issue are you seeing with the 5 image? | 14:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | are you using sahara-image-elements or sahara-image-pack? | 14:25 |
| zchkun | sahara-image-elements | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | try with sahara-image-pack | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | it should be better | 14:26 |
| zchkun | ok | 14:26 |
| zchkun | what different sahara-image-elements and sahara-image-pack? | 14:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | sahara-image-pack uses libvirt to manipulate the images and SIE uses diskimagebuilder | 14:28 |
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| tosky | oh, that reminds me another topic (but later) | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | there some key differences like security, and the fact that sahara-image-pack can work on images and if it fails it will start from the failure, it won't install hte whole thing again | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | but they should be similar on the content of what is in the image | 14:29 |
| tosky | in fact, if you execute sahara-image-pack on an almost-ready image, it should complete the preparation | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:30 |
| tellesnobrega | and we should start using it more often since we plan to drop support to sahara-image-elements and keep only sahara-image-pack | 14:30 |
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| zchkun | sound good, got it , I will try it | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | zchkun, let me know or jeremyfreudberg or tosky if you ran into troubles | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | don't need to wait for the meeting, just ping us | 14:32 |
| zchkun | ok, thanks | 14:32 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, go ahead on the topic you wanted to talk | 14:33 |
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| tosky | related to sahara-image-pack | 14:33 |
| tosky | if I'm not mistaken, the validation stage which happens during cluster provisioning is (if I'm not mistaken) the same recipe executed by sahara-image-pack | 14:34 |
| tosky | but with the test_only parameter set? | 14:35 |
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| tellesnobrega | it is the same recipe | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | I can't remember if the test_only is set | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | but you are probably right | 14:35 |
| tosky | the related question is: in some plugins, or at least in the current mapr, there is some code to do the configuration, which duplicated the image creation process | 14:35 |
| tosky | duplicates* | 14:35 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think i had this question the other day too | 14:36 |
| tosky | and that was one of the reason for the unified validation + image building process (reduce the duplication) | 14:36 |
| jeremyfreudberg | whether validation just means validation(checking), or actual fixing(doing) | 14:36 |
| tosky | but this means that we could cut this old code, solving issues like https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001965 | 14:36 |
| tosky | if the validation is fixing/doing, it's all fine; if the validation is just checking, we could try to find a way to enforce doing in some condition | 14:37 |
| tosky | and still cut old code | 14:37 |
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| tellesnobrega | we can set the validation to fix as well | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | just remove the test_only if it is in fact set | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I will have to double check | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | and i agree that we can remove old code not doing anything | 14:38 |
| tosky | to be precisse, it's doing something, just duplicate | 14:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | true | 14:38 |
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| tosky | and that's it from my side | 14:40 |
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| tellesnobrega | from me as well | 14:40 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, zchkun? | 14:40 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that's it from me | 14:41 |
| tosky | justremembertheopenreviewswitha+2 | 14:41 |
| tosky | and also the ones without any | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | yes, thanks | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, lets close it. thanks all | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 14:42:08 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-06-28-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-06-28-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-06-28-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| manjeets | hi | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle will not be here today | 15:01 |
| haleyb | lets see if swami joins | 15:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:02 |
| haleyb | oh, we now have three | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 15:02:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| haleyb | i'll just mirror the generic announcements from the neutron meeting | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | CFP for Berlin summit closing in a couple of weeks | 15:04 |
| Swami | hi | 15:04 |
| haleyb | Register/make your plans for the PTG (Sept 11th I believe) | 15:04 |
| haleyb | hi Swami | 15:04 |
| haleyb | and R3 will sneak up on us, so keep up the good work :) | 15:05 |
| haleyb | any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| Swami | I will not be attending the PTG in person | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | Swami: ack, do you plan on joining topics remotely? | 15:06 |
| Swami | haleyb: Sure will join remotely. | 15:07 |
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| haleyb | i know that's not always easy, but if we have an agenda we can try. i remember miguel doing it the last denver ptg | 15:07 |
| Swami | yeah, true | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:09 | |
| haleyb | Swami: all yours | 15:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: Thanks | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1762454 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1762454 in neutron "FWaaS: Invalid port error on associating ports (distributed router) to firewall group" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Sridar Kandaswamy (skandasw) | 15:10 |
| Swami | I spoke to Sridhar about this bug yesterday. Sridhar have identified a fix and will be pushing in shortly. | 15:10 |
| Swami | So I think we are good on this for now. | 15:10 |
| haleyb | great | 15:11 |
| Swami | I should thank Miguel for following up with this. | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1774463 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774463 in neutron "RFE: Add support for IPv6 on DVR Routers for the Fast-path exit " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:12 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I need the patch that you referred to for proceeding with this IPv6 work for the FIP Namespace. Can you point me to the patch. | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | Swami: sorry, i keep forgetting, will dig it up now | 15:13 |
| Swami | haleyb: Thanks that would help | 15:13 |
| Swami | Regarding the ARP issue. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1774459 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774459 in neutron "Update permanent ARP entries for allowed_address_pair IPs in DVR Routers" [High,Confirmed] | 15:15 |
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| Swami | I read your comments about using the Keepalivestate similar to IPMonitor. I am still investigating if it is possible. I will update the Bug with my findings on this. | 15:15 |
| haleyb | ok, thanks | 15:17 |
| Swami | haleyb: I am seeing this patch for Pike is failing the functional tests that passed in queens and master. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577012/ | 15:17 |
| Swami | haleyb: Not sure what is wrong with this. Can you take a look and comment if anything is missing. | 15:18 |
| haleyb | Swami: i'll take a look at the failure | 15:18 |
| Swami | haleyb: Ok Thanks | 15:18 |
| Swami | haleyb: That's all I had for bugs today. | 15:19 |
| Swami | haleyb: back to you | 15:19 |
| haleyb | Swami: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143917/ was the review i was thinking of | 15:19 |
| haleyb | for ipv6 dvr | 15:19 |
| Swami | Thanks | 15:19 |
| haleyb | there's a link there to another change, and maybe look at some of robert's other changes | 15:20 |
| Swami | Ok, will do that would help | 15:21 |
| haleyb | i don't see any other recent L3 bugs, any others people want to bring up? | 15:21 |
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| Swami | haleyb: If you are done with bugs, I have some questions, may be in the opendiscussion | 15:22 |
| haleyb | #topic dvr-bridge | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dvr-bridge (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:24 | |
| haleyb | i'm not sure anyone is here regarding dvr-bridge ? | 15:24 |
| haleyb | moving on | 15:25 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:25 | |
| haleyb | Swami: you had a topic | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: I had a question about the recent change to remove the external-bridge configuration. | 15:26 |
| haleyb | yes, it had been deprecated some time ago | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: If external-bridge is removed how the fip traffic will flow when the fg port is associated with the br-int. | 15:27 |
| Swami | Do we need to create additional bridges or how? | 15:27 |
| Swami | Is there any documentation or pointer on how to handle the external traffic. | 15:27 |
| haleyb | Swami: that's a good question. i know the dvr fip code does a plug() right into the bridge | 15:29 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes, | 15:30 |
| Swami | haleyb: we should be having a migration strategy for people who are using the external bridge in the compute for fip traffic. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | haleyb: if you find any pointer let me know. I will also look into it. | 15:32 |
| Swami | haleyb: Also I had another question on the ml2/l2pop/ovs | 15:32 |
| haleyb | Swami: sure | 15:33 |
| Swami | If for some reason the ovs port 'ofport' that is getting created is either removed or replaced, what would be the indication to the l2pop driver to replace the fdb_add_tun and fdb_remove_tun entries | 15:34 |
| Swami | haleyb: I did see that in the codebase it handles these conditions only when the IP change or host change, but nothing about the 'ofport' change. | 15:34 |
| Swami | haleyb: I am debugging an issue right now where they have fdb_flow for a stale 'ofport' and it was not cleared automatically and it had to be manually cleared. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | Swami: pointer to code? | 15:35 |
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| Swami | haleyb: Do you remember seeing or hearing about this scenario. #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/l2pop/rpc_manager/l2population_rpc.py#L257 | 15:37 |
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| haleyb | no, i don't remember this scenario | 15:39 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok, It is little difficult to debug the issue because the logs are in different files and for some of the rpc commands like fdb_add and fdb_remove the logs are not captured in the openvswitch agent. | 15:40 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok that's all I had. | 15:41 |
| Swami | haleyb: Are you planning to present any paper for the Berlin summit | 15:41 |
| haleyb | Swami: i hadn't given it much thought yet, are you? | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yes I thinking about it. | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: I will let you know if I have a topic | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: I am going on a vacation from July 6th to August 6th. (India) | 15:43 |
| haleyb | Swami: enjoy your vacation! | 15:44 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:44 |
| Swami | haleyb: spending a week in Dubai | 15:44 |
| Swami | haleyb: on my way to India. | 15:45 |
| haleyb | formula 1 race? or just a stop :) | 15:45 |
| Swami | haleyb: Just site seeing. I will be also going to Ferrari park. | 15:45 |
| haleyb | nice, Ferraris :) | 15:46 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yep | 15:47 |
| haleyb | ok, have a good week everyone and enjoy the 4th for those in the US | 15:48 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 15:48:47 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-06-28-15.02.html | 15:48 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-06-28-15.02.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-06-28-15.02.log.html | 15:48 |
| manjeets | haleyb, its in middle of the week :( | 15:49 |
| Swami | bye | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | manjeets: yes, only one paid day off :( | 15:52 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api_sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 16:00:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api_sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chart dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:00 |
| cdent | oops | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | #topic old biz | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old biz (Meeting topic: api_sig)" | 16:00 | |
| cdent | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-06-21-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| edleafe | I was just typing #startmeeting when you did. Damn you fast typists! | 16:01 |
| cdent | action items from edleafe (huzzah!) | 16:01 |
| elmiko | huzzah! | 16:01 |
| cdent | I think he did both | 16:01 |
| cdent | the graphql people are aware of storyboard | 16:01 |
| cdent | and the links on the agenda are correct | 16:01 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:02 |
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| cdent | I learned a thing about storyboard: if you want gerrit to update it, you have to list both a story and a task | 16:02 |
| cdent | just a story won't do it | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | yep | 16:02 |
| edleafe | #link email to the GraphQL folk: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131756.html | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | because you can have many tasks | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | (you actually should, if you use it properly) | 16:02 |
| cdent | yeah, the paradigm has shifted and does not match launchpad bugs well | 16:03 |
| dtantsur | yep | 16:04 |
| cdent | any other old biz? | 16:04 |
| edleafe | nopd | 16:04 |
| cdent | #topic new biz | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new biz (Meeting topic: api_sig)" | 16:04 | |
| edleafe | nope, even | 16:04 |
| cdent | any topics (not related to pending guidelines) people would like to bring up? | 16:04 |
| elmiko | as edleafe pointed out in -sdks, we have a monday slot for ptg | 16:05 |
| elmiko | just a heads up | 16:05 |
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| cdent | our usual then. I guess that's good | 16:05 |
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| elmiko | ++ | 16:06 |
| cdent | anything else? | 16:07 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | nothing | 16:07 |
| * edleafe yawns | 16:07 | |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:07 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:07 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api_sig)" | 16:07 | |
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| elmiko | don't get me started edleafe ! | 16:08 |
| cdent | dtantsur: raised a good point on my new review | 16:08 |
| elmiko | XD | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | :) | 16:08 |
| cdent | #link error links https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578369/ | 16:08 |
| cdent | when I initially wrote the thing I was trying to go down the road of being prescriptive about where the links were supposed to go, but I guess I overplayed my hand with the commit message, and maybe we should? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i like dtantsur's suggestion | 16:09 |
| cdent | it is something that has come up before | 16:09 |
| cdent | but has devolved into super upper ontology mess | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i can see that | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i just like that at the least it gives the individual projects the power to control their own docs | 16:10 |
| elmiko | but, at the cost of centralization | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | well, we've learned already that a centralized docs team does not scale well enough for our growth | 16:10 |
| * elmiko nods | 16:10 | |
| edleafe | So the other expense is duplication | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i do kinda favor the idea of giving projects some guidance on /where/ they might place their error docs | 16:11 |
| edleafe | IOW, each project can define their own errors, and they can overlap | 16:11 |
| elmiko | that could help with centralization some day | 16:11 |
| elmiko | edleafe ++ | 16:11 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: we prefix errors with service name, no? | 16:11 |
| cdent | type | 16:12 |
| edleafe | why would we do that if we aren't centralized? | 16:12 |
| cdent | not name | 16:12 |
| dtantsur | what I'm worried is compute.server-not-found verses baremetal.not-found.node vs image.image-was-not-found | 16:12 |
| dtantsur | cdent: what was the TC position about nitpicks? ;) | 16:12 |
| cdent | dtantsur: just trying to make sure we don't raise the ghost of christmas mordred | 16:12 |
| dtantsur | well, now you did :D | 16:13 |
| cdent | :) | 16:13 |
| * mordred throws a chicken at cdent | 16:13 | |
| dtantsur | but yes, I did mean type | 16:13 |
| * cdent cooks and eats chicken | 16:13 | |
| dtantsur | mordred: baked, raw or alive? | 16:13 |
| mordred | dtantsur: yes | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:13 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:13 |
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| cdent | okay, if people could add any additional thoughts on the review, I'll cook a new version soonish | 16:14 |
| edleafe | will do | 16:14 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:14 |
| dtantsur | as to "why prefix" - for easier googling? | 16:14 |
| cdent | namespacing, basically | 16:14 |
| cdent | which does also mean easier googling | 16:14 |
| edleafe | I can just see the Nova cores being thrilled to have to add 'compute.' to everything :) | 16:15 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 16:15 | |
| dtantsur | hehe | 16:15 |
| cdent | they have to add support for errors at all first | 16:15 |
| elmiko | zing! | 16:15 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:16 |
| dtantsur | does anybody implement our error spec at all? | 16:16 |
| cdent | placement has started to | 16:16 |
| dtantsur | neat | 16:16 |
| cdent | and then mordred shamed me into making it even better | 16:16 |
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| dtantsur | with a chicken? | 16:16 |
| cdent | something foul | 16:16 |
| cdent | anyway | 16:16 |
| cdent | this ogther errors guideline needs some eyes too | 16:16 |
| cdent | #link error code clarity: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577118/ | 16:17 |
| elmiko | ouch, that was bad | 16:17 |
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| * dtantsur wonders which part of our conversation elmiko considers bad; presumably cdent's spec | 16:18 | |
| dtantsur | cdent: I have no concerns with this one | 16:18 |
| * edleafe is reading it | 16:18 | |
| elmiko | "something foul" after the chicken comment XD | 16:18 |
| elmiko | that review lgtm | 16:19 |
| cdent | I couldn't help msyelf | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i know =) | 16:19 |
| * dtantsur suspects some euphemisms he does not know | 16:19 | |
| cdent | dtantsur: fowl and foul | 16:20 |
| cdent | is _really_ bad and lame | 16:20 |
| dtantsur | lol ok | 16:20 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:20 |
| cdent | so no immediate readiness on guidelines then, yes? | 16:20 |
| elmiko | maybe that second one you linked, seemed low risk | 16:21 |
| dtantsur | I's say the latter is ready | 16:21 |
| elmiko | i added my +1 | 16:21 |
| * cdent looks at edleafe | 16:21 | |
| edleafe | Just one thought, you gave an example, but not the example codes to show the difference | 16:21 |
| cdent | true | 16:22 |
| cdent | that's certainly easy to fix if we want | 16:22 |
| edleafe | So it feels like an incomplete example | 16:22 |
| cdent | k, put a -1 on it so I can fix that and I will (otherwise I'll forget) | 16:22 |
| edleafe | I'm adding the comment now | 16:23 |
| cdent | rad | 16:23 |
| elmiko | agreed with edleafe, that's a nice upgrade | 16:23 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:23 |
| cdent | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1039 | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api_sig)" | 16:23 | |
| cdent | based on those two changes is the bug at https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1593327 nearly addressed, or do we want more? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | hmm | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i think so | 16:24 |
| cdent | I've added some stuff, but not "vision" but I'm not sure "vision" is really required | 16:24 |
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| elmiko | i mean, we could add more. but at the least this gives some insight | 16:25 |
| * cdent nods | 16:25 | |
| elmiko | i'm ok with closing that bug | 16:25 |
| edleafe | me too | 16:25 |
| cdent | I've made a "board" to experiment with that, but not learned the details of how such things work, yet | 16:26 |
| cdent | #link storyboard board https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/91 | 16:26 |
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| cdent | i'm unclear on who can see that or change it or how to manipulate it | 16:26 |
| edleafe | sweet | 16:26 |
| cdent | but we'll figure it out I suppose | 16:27 |
| elmiko | i can see it, not sure about manipulate, i'm not that bold | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | ditto | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | I think the purpose of boards to do things like release tracking | 16:27 |
| edleafe | I don't see any way to change it | 16:27 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure if it's so valuable for us here | 16:27 |
| cdent | yeah, I'm not sure either | 16:28 |
| cdent | I can add individuals as "users" | 16:28 |
| cdent | and "owners" | 16:28 |
| cdent | we'll work it out, no rush | 16:28 |
| cdent | could be useless | 16:28 |
| edleafe | Seems more like a kanban-ish sort of thing | 16:29 |
| * cdent nods | 16:29 | |
| elmiko | yea | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | like trello | 16:29 |
| cdent | anything else on bugs? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:31 |
| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:31 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:31 |
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| cdent | It's probably either me or dtantsur | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i could do it if everyone is busy | 16:32 |
| dtantsur | as long as somebody cleans up my English afterwards :) | 16:32 |
| cdent | if one of you is keen that would be great, as I'm in a yaml-related hole | 16:32 |
| elmiko | yeesh | 16:32 |
| elmiko | i'll take it | 16:32 |
| dtantsur | yaml-related hole, sounds scaaary | 16:32 |
| edleafe | I'll be the English editor :) | 16:32 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:32 |
| * dtantsur hears crickets | 16:33 | |
| elmiko | i'll ping in sdks when i've got something | 16:33 |
| edleafe | ack | 16:33 |
| elmiko | maybe cdent got trapped by the yaml? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | XD | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | that's bad, we need to throw some toml at him | 16:34 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:34 |
| elmiko | or some json? | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | json is yaml's lil brother, no? | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | I'd not trust him | 16:34 |
| cdent | PyYAML 4.x changes things in a way that breaks gabbi tests | 16:34 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 16:34 |
| elmiko | oh, bummer cdent =( | 16:35 |
| dtantsur | cdent: parser or library API? | 16:35 |
| cdent | sorry, that was ambiguous | 16:35 |
| cdent | there are tests in gabbi itself, which are testiing yaml "safe" features which break with 4.x | 16:35 |
| cdent | and fixing it a change in behavior | 16:36 |
| cdent | it's weird and my brain is struggling: https://github.com/cdent/gabbi/pull/252 | 16:36 |
| dtantsur | fun | 16:36 |
| cdent | it's also freaking hot which is not helping. | 16:36 |
| elmiko | =( | 16:36 |
| dtantsur | I feel sorry for you | 16:37 |
| edleafe | cdent: what is "hot" in your neck of the woods? | 16:37 |
| edleafe | Currently 31C here | 16:37 |
| dtantsur | ouch | 16:37 |
| * elmiko faints | 16:37 | |
| cdent | not there yet edleafe | 16:38 |
| dtantsur | you'll cool down on the Berlin's summit :D | 16:38 |
| edleafe | Oh, it's still early. Going up to 37C later today | 16:38 |
| dtantsur | oh no | 16:38 |
| cdent | not actually sure what the temp is, but with no ac, no fans, and currently no wind either it is ... weird | 16:38 |
| edleafe | Welcome to South Texas! | 16:38 |
| elmiko | yikes | 16:38 |
| dtantsur | speaking of the Berlin summit | 16:39 |
| edleafe | My A/C is going almost continuously | 16:39 |
| elmiko | 37 is just not right | 16:39 |
| dtantsur | anyone wants to co-present something about our beloved microversions? | 16:39 |
| * cdent shrugs | 16:39 | |
| edleafe | That will draw a hostile crowd | 16:39 |
| dtantsur | or maybe some other topics, but this is probably the most interesting slash confusing slash contentions | 16:39 |
| elmiko | i doubt i will make it to berlin | 16:39 |
| edleafe | I'd do it, but I have no idea if IBM will send me | 16:40 |
| cdent | I try to avoid doing any presentations at summit, but something on microversions might be useful, so I'd encourage it to happen | 16:40 |
| * dtantsur summons mordred again | 16:40 | |
| edleafe | I'm still not even approved for the PTG | 16:40 |
| dtantsur | I'm not going to the PTG, but the summit happens 40 minutes by s-bahn from my house, sooo | 16:40 |
| cdent | especially if it was flavored towards "fun and profit with using microversin against openstack" rather than "here's yet another explanation of how to add microversions to your project" | 16:40 |
| dtantsur | yeah, more from client/consumer side | 16:41 |
| edleafe | Slide 1: What is a Microversion? | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | Slide 2: OH GOD WHY | 16:41 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:41 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:41 |
| cdent | on that note shall we call it a day? | 16:41 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 16:41 |
| cdent | great. thanks for coming. | 16:42 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 16:42:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-06-28-16.00.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-06-28-16.00.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-06-28-16.00.log.html | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: no need to meet on my account, but I’m here if we do | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: will just start the meeting in case anyone else has questions | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 18:01:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi, no particular agenda today | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just hanging around to see if any of the folks from gbp-irc channel want to join/have questions | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: feel free to take off ;-) (and thanks for joining) | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | #endmeeting | 18:13 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 18:14:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-06-28-18.01.html | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-06-28-18.01.txt | 18:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2018/networking_policy.2018-06-28-18.01.log.html | 18:14 |
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