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| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 14:01:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
| tosky | this time I'm not late \o/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:01 |
| * jeremyfreudberg needs to leave at 40 minutes past the hour | 14:01 | |
| tellesnobrega | no problem, luigi is 30 past the hour | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | so lets rush | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tosky | technically not anymore (last minute change), but I'm fine closing earlier anyway :) | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | oh | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | ok | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | Not much changed since last week, I'm working on split plugins but now I'm down to 0 failing tests on the sahara-plugins side | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | I have a question for you both on the subject, but I can save it for later | 14:03 |
| tosky | PTG was productive; in order to help with the plugin split process, I'm refactoring the documentation | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nothing new on my end | 14:04 |
| tosky | one small patch is already out | 14:04 |
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| tellesnobrega | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602458/ | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | this one ^ | 14:05 |
| tosky | the big one is almost done, it's touching ~16 files | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | right? | 14:05 |
| tosky | yep | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, lets move on | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Plugins Split | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Plugins Split (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| tellesnobrega | Let me jump to my question | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | if you look here https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/master/sahara/plugins/cdh/plugin_utils.py#L240 | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | you see a reference to res.Resource | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | that comes from sahara/conductor/resource | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | so, I will need refactor this bit so we don't import from sahara.conductor directly | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | buut, this checks if isinstance | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | so I actually need to create a class that resource will inherit from so the check works | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | does that make sense to everyone? | 14:09 |
| tosky | or expose a function which does the check | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | I personally don't really like this, because we will have a top class under sahara/plugins and sahara/conductor/resource will inherit and they are not really related, but I'm not seeing a better way to fix this | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | you can expose a function, like tosky says, or you can use hasattr | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, you mean add a isinstance on sahara/plugins that does this check instead of doing it on plugins side itself? | 14:11 |
| tosky | not called isinstance, but is_resource, or something like that, BUT you need to return a res.Resource too, so it won't work | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | unless I do that under sahara/plugins/something and call from the sahara_plugins side | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | but you are right | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | it would work for the check | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | but not the return | 14:12 |
| tosky | I wonder if it really returns to return a res.Resource | 14:12 |
| tosky | the only place where it's used seem to use a dict | 14:13 |
| tosky | in sahara/plugins/cdh/cloudera_utils.py | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, and i think it eventually ends up here, no? https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/4b4effa9c8062c26fafe2b9c20146bf67b44b2b5/sahara/utils/configs.py#L17 | 14:14 |
| tosky | that's what it looks like | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | so you are saying we can return something else? instead of a resource? | 14:15 |
| tosky | maybe just a dict | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, i believe just a dict should work | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | the output of convert_process_configs is only used in that one place in cloudera_utils.py, and then it's immediately passed to merge_configs(), which accepts anything dict-like | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, I will give it a try | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I *think* that is the only remaining direct link | 14:17 |
| tosky | it looks like the fact that Resource is a special dictionary (immutable object) is not much used | 14:17 |
| tosky | but in case please add more unit tests around the code which is touched, before and after the split | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I will double check and if need I will come up with more questions | 14:17 |
| tosky | so that should say something | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, sure, I will give it a try | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks you both | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | any specific topics from you? | 14:19 |
| tosky | there are also two general patches about the build system: one fix grenade, the other remove the cover job in post (never used) | 14:20 |
| tosky | respectively https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602506/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600686/ (the latter depends on the former) | 14:21 |
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| tellesnobrega | lets go into open discussion so we can cover all remaining topics | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:21 | |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, both are ready to merge? | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | the second more when the first lands for sure | 14:22 |
| tosky | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600686/ can't land without https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602506/, there is a dependency | 14:23 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks jeremyfreudberg for the quick +2+A | 14:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | sure | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it all looked fine to me | 14:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | cool | 14:25 |
| tellesnobrega | anything else | 14:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | nothing from me | 14:26 |
| tosky | nothing else so far; expect the big doc patch $soon :) | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, good to hear | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess we can close early and have 33 minutes back to work | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:27 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 14:28:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-09-20-14.01.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-09-20-14.01.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2018/sahara.2018-09-20-14.01.log.html | 14:28 |
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| * haleyb got here first :) | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 15:02:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Hi Swami | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Our next milestone is Stein-1, the week of October 22nd | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | also the Berlin Summit will take place on November 13 - 15 | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | I hope to see some of you there | 15:05 |
| slaweq | hi | 15:05 |
| davidsha | Hi | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements we should share with the team? | 15:06 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks for the online meeting that was very helpfull. | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Swami: yeah, that one went particularly well | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | I think we really made progress | 15:07 |
| Swami | mlavalle: yes | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | I'm glad that was the case and thanks for your availability.... and for pinging us | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:09 | |
| mlavalle | Swami: please take it away | 15:09 |
| Swami | mlavalle: sure | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793527 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793527 in neutron "[dvr_no_external][ha][dataplane down]centralized floating IP nat rules not install in every HA node" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:10 |
| Swami | There are couple of bugs filed against HA and dvr_no_external agent mode. | 15:10 |
| Swami | This is one of them. | 15:10 |
| Swami | I just noticed it. But it has a patch up for review. | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/604094 | 15:11 |
| Swami | I will take a look at the patch. | 15:11 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793529 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793529 in neutron "[dvr][ha][dataplane down] router_gateway port binding host goes wrong after the 'master' host down/up" [Undecided,New] | 15:12 |
| Swami | This is also related to dvr_no_external when the failover happens it seems the router_gateway port binding is not right. I will take a look at it. I just noticed this bug. | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1790084 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1790084 in neutron "ERROR pyroute2.netns.nslink" [Undecided,New] | 15:13 |
| Swami | This is also related to dvr_no_external, where they were seeing the ERROR in logs where it was trying to remove the namespaces. I haven't had a chance to triage it. | 15:14 |
| Swami | Probably with a single setup we can triage all these three bugs, above. I will check it out. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1786272 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1786272 in neutron "Connection between two virtual routers does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:15 |
| haleyb | i've seen that in logs, but didn't think it mattered much, maybe it does | 15:15 |
| Swami | haleyb: Let me check that out. | 15:15 |
| Swami | The next one is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1786272 | 15:16 |
| Swami | I have been making progress with this patch. The last one that I am working on this patch is the Delete scenario when a VM port goes down, it should bring down its own router and the related routers. | 15:16 |
| Swami | slaweq: I will post an update to this patch. | 15:16 |
| slaweq | sure Swami, thx a lot for help with this | 15:17 |
| Swami | slaweq: I think I have a solution, but I will test it and post it. | 15:17 |
| slaweq | I updated some functional/unit tests for it recently | 15:17 |
| Swami | slaweq: yes I noticed it. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:18 |
| Swami | I did see some activity on this bug in the last couple of days. | 15:18 |
| Swami | slaweq: so is it the wrong keepalived version that was causing this problem. | 15:18 |
| slaweq | it looks so | 15:18 |
| slaweq | I know that we had issues with this specific keepalived version also in functional tests recently | 15:19 |
| slaweq | and I think that reporter of this bug also confirmed that in last comment | 15:19 |
| Swami | slaweq: that was a good catch. I would not have found that. | 15:19 |
| slaweq | I still didn't have time to check exactly what is wrong with this keepalived but newer and older versions looks that are working fine | 15:20 |
| Swami | slaweq: ok | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I am also investigating further this bug | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | here's what I am doing | 15:21 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Good, I also saw your comment yesterday on the 'localbind' | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I am running the tests originally reported by Swami as failing in my local envrinment | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | literally as we speak | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | FloatingIpSameNetwork variations are passing | 15:22 |
| Swami | mlavalle: good | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | I will also test the spearte networks cases | 15:22 |
| Swami | mlavalle: good. | 15:22 |
| Swami | mlavalle: That's all I have for bugs today | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | if they pass in my local environment, I will propose a patch to neutron-tempest-plugin enabling those test cases again. It will be a DNM patch | 15:23 |
| Swami | mlavalle: back to you. | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | and will also propose a Neutro DNM patch dependent on ^^^^ | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | to see how it behaves in the check queue | 15:24 |
| Swami | mlavalle: sounds good | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | and be able to do further debugging | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | makes sense Swami, slaweq? | 15:24 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: sure that would work | 15:24 |
| slaweq | yes mlavalle | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | btw, all the variations of FloatingIpSameNetwork pass locally | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one is | 15:25 |
| Swami | mlavalle: what fix you applied for your local testing. | 15:25 |
| * manjeets_ 's internet was creepy this morning | 15:26 | |
| mlavalle | Swami: none | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | running the tests as they are from the tempest plugin | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | and my dev environment is DVR-HA close to master (lagging two weeks) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | I built it the week before the PTG | 15:27 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | I was bugs deputy for one day yesterday, while boden was away | 15:28 |
| Swami | mlavalle: that's all I had for dicussion today. back to you. | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | This bug came in yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793102 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793102 in neutron "ha_vrrp_health_check_interval causes constantly VRRP transitions" [Undecided,New] | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I already configured my system with ha_vrrp_health_check_interval = 5 | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | and restarted the L3 agents in the 3 nodes (allinone, compute1 and network) | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | That was last night | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | after the meeting is over, I will check my syslog to see if I find the instability the submitter reports | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | let's see if it manifested itself during the night | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I also want to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793207 | 15:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793207 in neutron "external_gateway_info enable_snat attribute should be owner-modifiable" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | haleyb and I are in agreement that the current policy is overly strict and that the router owner should be able to change the value | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | we just want to make sure we are not missing something | 15:33 |
| haleyb | right, hopefully someone remembers why they chose admin-only, but it's been years | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | I even wrote an email to Salvatore Orlando, who originally implemented it this way. He hasn't responded yet | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | but I sent the email just last night | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | do folks in this meeting have an opinion on this? | 15:35 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I don't know the history behind this. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | the only thing i could find in the blueprints was around "some providers might want to restrict this" | 15:36 |
| haleyb | maybe referring to the case where they set the default to False and don't want it enabled? | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | and the only reason I could think for this was that maybe enabling it implies the use of outside bandwidth | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | and admins might want control over it | 15:37 |
| Swami | mlavalle: So probably we should handle all the use cases and have LOGs that would inform the user about the consequences, if they accidentally change the enable_snat. (for example if they have VPN configured or Cenralized fip configured) | 15:37 |
| slaweq | maybe sending email to operators ML would be good idea too? | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: that's a good suggestion I think | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs we should discuss today? | 15:39 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1793094 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793094 in neutron "Router: add port doesn't take IP from allocation pool" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:39 |
| haleyb | it seemed related to the other issue we fixed recently, but boden tried with latest queens and saw it, needs invesigation | 15:40 |
| haleyb | i will take it | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | thanks haleyb | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #On demand agenda | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:42 | |
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| mlavalle | any other topics we should sicuss today? | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | discuss | 15:43 |
| xubozhang | hi Miguel | 15:43 |
| xubozhang | can you assign the blueprint openflow-based-dvr to me? | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | hi xubozhang | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | xubozhang: of course | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | hang on please | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | let me do it now | 15:44 |
| * mlavalle assigning blueprint ..... | 15:44 | |
| slaweq | just FYI | 15:44 |
| slaweq | I recently respin work on patch to remove external_bridge_name config option | 15:45 |
| slaweq | and I sent email about that to ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134839.html | 15:45 |
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| slaweq | I will try to push some patches to projects which still uses it, maybe if You have some experience with some of them, You can help with that :) | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: thanks for the effort! | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | xubozhang: are you Xubo Zhang (xbzhang99) in Launchpad? | 15:46 |
| xubozhang | yes | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | xubozhang: assigned | 15:47 |
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| xubozhang | thanks | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | please note that haleyb has kindly accepted to be the approver for this blueprint | 15:47 |
| xubozhang | ok | 15:47 |
| haleyb | yes. there were some recent review comments by myself and slawek | 15:48 |
| xubozhang | yes we are taking care of them | 15:48 |
| haleyb | thanks! | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | all right | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | anything else for today? | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | all right team.... enjoy the rest of your day | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 15:50:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-20-15.02.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-20-15.02.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2018/neutron_l3.2018-09-20-15.02.log.html | 15:50 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:50 |
| Swami | bye | 15:50 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 16:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe dtantsur | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| cdent | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent dtantsur edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:00 | |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link last meetings mintues http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-09-06-16.00.html | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | it's been a long time since the last in-irc meeting | 16:01 |
| elmiko | how was ptg? | 16:01 |
| cdent | so not much in the way of action items | 16:02 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:02 |
| cdent | so yeah ptg | 16:02 |
| edleafe | Lonely without you! | 16:02 |
| elmiko | =( | 16:02 |
| elmiko | i missed you all as well | 16:02 |
| cdent | both ed and I made some ptg reports that include api-sig bits: | 16:02 |
| cdent | #link cdent ptg report https://anticdent.org/drafts/openstack-stein-ptg.html | 16:02 |
| edleafe | Didn't we assign the task of merging MOnty's stuff to dtantsur ? | 16:02 |
| dtantsur | and I did update the looooong patch | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link edleafe ptg report https://blog.leafe.com/stein-ptg-recap/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | yeah, i've been re-reading the review, but it's a lot | 16:03 |
| dtantsur | yeah, now you have to read it, poor souls | 16:03 |
| elmiko | ++ cdent and edleafe for writing up reports =) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | elmiko: it helps me justify IBM paying for me to go :) | 16:04 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:04 |
| elmiko | wow, this linked tweet from Alex Xu just sounds horrible =( | 16:05 |
| cdent | I guess the main event at the monday session was people re-joining the healthcheck effort | 16:05 |
| elmiko | ooh, nice! | 16:05 |
| cdent | elmiko: oh yeah, my post is full of joy | 16:05 |
| cdent | it's not clear how much of the healthcheck enthusiasm will expand beyond the boundaries of the ptg | 16:06 |
| elmiko | it's just a shame to hear someone say how they don't want to attend another ptg but have to for work, i always found the community events to be a joyous part of openstack for me | 16:06 |
| cdent | keep reading! | 16:06 |
| elmiko | ack | 16:07 |
| elmiko | X2 | 16:07 |
| cdent | #topic new biz/opens | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new biz/opens (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:07 | |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-stein-ptg | 16:07 |
| cdent | we've already started talking about that. anything else to add | 16:07 |
| elmiko | i think the healthcheck idea is really nice, but yeah tough if no one has the time to work on it | 16:07 |
| elmiko | did you actually get to talk about microversions? | 16:08 |
| cdent | not that I recall | 16:08 |
| elmiko | saw it on the agenda and just wondered out of sick curiosity XD | 16:08 |
| edleafe | not a single microversion was discussed | 16:09 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:09 |
| elmiko | also cool to see the action about the IETF HTTP protocols | 16:09 |
| cdent | we didn't talk about that much, other than to say it is a useful additional resource | 16:09 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:10 |
| elmiko | it seemed pretty uncontroversial | 16:10 |
| elmiko | looks like some great discussions, were there a lot of people who stopped by? | 16:10 |
| edleafe | It was much thinner attendance than in the past | 16:11 |
| elmiko | i like the comment on L50 as well, that sounds like a good call to action for the sig | 16:11 |
| cdent | overall the entire prtg was thin | 16:11 |
| elmiko | gotcha | 16:11 |
| cdent | but our room especially so | 16:11 |
| edleafe | The healthcheck discussions did pick it up a bit | 16:12 |
| elmiko | seems like it from the notes | 16:12 |
| cdent | the stuff on L50 was a theme that I heard a few times during the week. overall openstack needs to be better about shouting about the coolness | 16:12 |
| elmiko | makes sense | 16:13 |
| elmiko | brb | 16:13 |
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| edleafe | Trouble is, APIs just aren't that sexy or cool | 16:13 |
| elmiko | right | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 16:14 |
| elmiko | unless we overhaul everything to use grpc! XD | 16:14 |
| dtantsur | and something about edge | 16:14 |
| cdent | don't forget the far edge | 16:16 |
| elmiko | or the fog edge! | 16:17 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I only learned about far edge today | 16:17 |
| elmiko | are there any big actions that we need to take as a group coming out of the ptg? | 16:17 |
| cdent | not that I could tell, but I have a sort of related thing | 16:18 |
| elmiko | cool | 16:18 |
| edleafe | I guess I should write up a thing about the DELETE concepts | 16:18 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to write a guideline on API fault tolerance | 16:19 |
| elmiko | i was gonna ask about that, it sounds like an interesting topic (fault tolerance) | 16:19 |
| edleafe | I want to finish the book first :) | 16:19 |
| elmiko | ack =) | 16:19 |
| * edleafe forgot to pack it for the flight | 16:19 | |
| elmiko | doh! | 16:19 |
| cdent | PTG was a bit of a come to jesus moment for me with regard to the extent of my too-thinly-spread attention, so I'm considering stepping back from (but not leaving entirely) the SIG and I'd either like your blessing or to be convinced I should not | 16:20 |
| elmiko | oh wow, that's a big one | 16:20 |
| edleafe | I think that this is a good time, as we really don't have very much on our plate | 16:21 |
| cdent | yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking too | 16:21 |
| elmiko | well, our work is pretty low bandwidth, but if you feel it's negatively impacting your time with other stuff then i certainly encourage you to make the decision that puts you working on the stuff you want to | 16:21 |
| * dtantsur wanted to say the same ^^^ | 16:22 | |
| edleafe | s/want/have | 16:22 |
| edleafe | :-P | 16:22 |
| cdent | it's more in terms of the mental gesture: "it's okay to set this aside" | 16:22 |
| elmiko | fair ;) | 16:22 |
| elmiko | cdent: it is okay to set this aside =) | 16:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: totally ok | 16:22 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 16:22 |
| * cdent has a bit of a good will hunting moment | 16:23 | |
| elmiko | hehe =) | 16:23 |
| edleafe | Now we'll have someone to gossip about! | 16:23 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:23 |
| cdent | yay! gossip! | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | huzzah! | 16:24 |
| cdent | next topic: do we need forum space in berlin? | 16:24 |
| cdent | i got a mail about that, not sure if others did | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i saw it too | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i doubt i will be in berlin | 16:25 |
| edleafe | Right now, no. If the healthcheck or GraphQL projects take off suddenly, then perhaps | 16:25 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:25 |
| dtantsur | I can lead any sessions if needed | 16:25 |
| elmiko | cool, that's good to know | 16:25 |
| edleafe | Yeah, I'm still 50-50 on whether I can go | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | if I catch mordred, we may end up finishing The Catalog Discovery Book | 16:26 |
| elmiko | maybe at the least we would have a brief update session if dtantsur wanted to give it | 16:26 |
| dtantsur | elmiko: have we done anything? :D | 16:26 |
| cdent | aye, there's the rub | 16:27 |
| elmiko | yeah... | 16:27 |
| * dtantsur imagines: Hi all, I'm from API-SIG. cdent is too busy, edleafe is huzzah! elmiko and I are just slackers. Bye! | 16:27 | |
| elmiko | well, this naturally kinda makes me wonder about the sig and our future | 16:27 |
| edleafe | I'm not a fan of "let's have a space because we can" | 16:27 |
| elmiko | edleafe: totally agree | 16:28 |
| cdent | elmiko: it's not really a consolation but many/most sigs are wondering the same thing | 16:28 |
| elmiko | i'm just kinda wondering if there is some signal we put up that we are migrating to maintenance mode | 16:28 |
| elmiko | ? | 16:28 |
| dtantsur | I wonder if something like "Ops feedback on OpenStack API design" can fly | 16:28 |
| cdent | that's a good question | 16:28 |
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| dtantsur | indeed | 16:28 |
| edleafe | elmiko: I don't think that's necessary | 16:28 |
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| elmiko | edleafe: ok | 16:29 |
| edleafe | We still need to be available for things that come up, even if we aren't churning out new guidelines | 16:29 |
| elmiko | definitely | 16:29 |
| elmiko | and i think our biggest impact of late has been facilitating others | 16:29 |
| dtantsur | just a reminder: finishing the discovery guidelines will probably occupy us for a cycle more | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | but like, should we consider migrating our meetings to like an open office hours type of thing? | 16:30 |
| edleafe | So how about this: let's keep this weekly meeting, but more as a simple check-in with each other. If there isn't anything to do, then end it quickly, and no need for a newsletter | 16:30 |
| elmiko | that sounds reasonable to me | 16:30 |
| edleafe | If some event does demand attention, we can revert to the format we've been using for a while | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | I'm definitely in favor of it, esp. since the meeting starts at 6pm | 16:31 |
| edleafe | I really don't like newsletters that say "We didn't do crap" | 16:31 |
| elmiko | of course it is also an opportunity for folks to reach out to us as well, but that hasn't happened during meeting hours in a while | 16:31 |
| elmiko | edleafe: ++ | 16:31 |
| dtantsur | I wonder if we should have something in Berlin, even if only to highlight that we exist | 16:31 |
| edleafe | elmiko: well that's why we should keep this regular meeting, in case someone does want to reach out | 16:32 |
| elmiko | edleafe: right, that was kinda my point about office hours | 16:32 |
| elmiko | dtantsur: i think if you are willing to host something, i am not opposed to that. do they birds of feather meetups at the forums? | 16:32 |
| elmiko | *do they have* | 16:32 |
| edleafe | elmiko: hmmm, then maybe that will be the way to go. Office hours in -sdks | 16:33 |
| cdent | I think we've been operating on a premise somewhere in the realm of "if we build it they will come" but we may need to adjust to "if there's a problem they will come" (not just here, but in general) | 16:33 |
| dtantsur | I'm surprisingly ignorant to the Forum format | 16:33 |
| dtantsur | the fact that I haven't been to a single one before may contribute | 16:33 |
| edleafe | cdent: zactly | 16:33 |
| cdent | it's not just you dtantsur . it keeps moving around | 16:33 |
| elmiko | cdent: yeah, i think those days of using drawing a crowd are probably past us | 16:33 |
| edleafe | RIP Microversion Controversy | 16:33 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 16:33 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 16:33 |
| elmiko | so, i'm ok with keeping this meeting time as a touch point, but i would also be ok with announcing some sort of office hours in -sdks as a replacement | 16:35 |
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| * cdent has no preference | 16:36 | |
| edleafe | We could make two office hours, so that dtantsur doesn't have to miss dinner | 16:36 |
| elmiko | maybe give an indication of deprecation before we yank this location/time though | 16:36 |
| dtantsur | a good thing about office hours is that you can have them in different time zones | 16:36 |
| elmiko | edleafe: ++ | 16:36 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: exactly :) | 16:36 |
| elmiko | it would also help with the asia times | 16:36 |
| edleafe | OK, so how does this sound: we have one more meeting next week, where we will set office hours. We announce that in today's newsletter, and anyone who cares can provide input, either on the ML or at that meeting | 16:37 |
| mordred | what about those of us who don't have an office though? | 16:37 |
| elmiko | edleafe: i'm good with that | 16:37 |
| cdent | mordred: you've used up all your attendance tokens | 16:38 |
| elmiko | mordred: where we're going, we don't need offices.... XD | 16:38 |
| cdent | elmiko's was better | 16:38 |
| elmiko | also, i thought you were calling it quits for today after your previous triumph in -sdks? | 16:38 |
| edleafe | mordred: I'm more concerned with those of us who don't have hours | 16:38 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:38 |
| dtantsur | :D | 16:39 |
| mordred | edleafe: hours and offices are both overrated | 16:39 |
| mordred | elmiko: :) | 16:39 |
| cdent | ed's plan sounds good, should we move on? | 16:40 |
| elmiko | ++ | 16:40 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:40 |
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| cdent | dtantsur did some stuff | 16:41 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:41 |
| cdent | i have not attended to me "design advice" thing | 16:41 |
| dtantsur | or rather messed with mordred's stuff | 16:41 |
| * mordred is TOTALLY enjoying reviewing that | 16:41 | |
| elmiko | i'm still reading dtantsur's update, but things have heated up locally for me so i am slow | 16:42 |
| cdent | so nothing to freeze or anything along those lines, correct? | 16:43 |
| dtantsur | yup | 16:43 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:43 |
| cdent | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1039 | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:43 | |
| cdent | nothing new | 16:43 |
| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:44 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api sig)" | 16:44 | |
| edleafe | I guess I can do it | 16:45 |
| elmiko | i have a meeting right after this one, but i can take it if no one else has time | 16:45 |
| elmiko | thanks edleafe =) | 16:45 |
| dtantsur | edleafe++ | 16:45 |
| cdent | huzzah to edleafe | 16:45 |
| * edleafe loves his huzzahs | 16:45 | |
| elmiko | also huzzah to cdent for many many great contributions to the sig and openstack =) | 16:45 |
| dtantsur | huzzah! | 16:45 |
| cdent | I'm not leaving, just fading, but thanks | 16:46 |
| elmiko | i know, but still, i feel it's worth mentioning | 16:46 |
| cdent | ✔ | 16:46 |
| edleafe | I should write something like that and make it sound like a eulogy | 16:46 |
| elmiko | hhahaha | 16:47 |
| * cdent is full of dread | 16:47 | |
| cdent | anything else or shall we call it? if we follow the plan, next week will be the last official meeting for a while. I'll bring virtual booze. | 16:48 |
| elmiko | nothing else from me | 16:48 |
| elmiko | i will be at a conference next week, but i will do my best to make the meeting | 16:48 |
| edleafe | I'm good to go | 16:48 |
| elmiko | even if i have to use the web interface from my phone! | 16:49 |
| cdent | rad | 16:49 |
| cdent | thanks | 16:49 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 16:49:12 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-09-20-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-09-20-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2018/api_sig.2018-09-20-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent ! | 16:49 |
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