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| jeremyfreudberg | #startmeeting sahara | 14:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 14:07:49 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sorry for the late start | 14:08 |
| tellesnobrega | no worries from my side | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we will likely be brief here anyway, but respect for the calendar is a good thing | 14:08 |
| tosky | correct | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic news/updates | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "news/updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:10 | |
| tosky | I'm double booked but I have some notes | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sure | 14:10 |
| tosky | it has been a busy week | 14:10 |
| tosky | - sahara-dashboard is mostly fixed (there is a pending update on stable/train) | 14:10 |
| tosky | - a change in openstackclient broke saharaclient. It seems we need to fix it on our side, despite the breakages happened on a stable release. More information on: http://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007501 | 14:10 |
| tosky | This should be fixed before the saharaclient release (or immediately after). | 14:10 |
| tosky | - sahara, on the other hand, is blocker by https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007450 - I was told it is due to the Session object being garbage collected, which means we should ensure it's still around. But I haven't found an easy way. | 14:10 |
| tosky | - there is another breakage in the buildimages job, but it's not a blocker right now | 14:10 |
| tosky | - there are various "hacking"-related updates, feel free to vote on those which are passing | 14:10 |
| tosky | The two issues reported on storyboard are the critical ones and NEED HELP! | 14:10 |
| tosky | EOF | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thank you for that tosky | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will look at those stories | 14:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, those are not so easy | 14:13 |
| tosky | the saharaclient one it's probably not complicated, it just takes a bit more time | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, seems so | 14:14 |
| tosky | the sqlalchemy is tricky to understand, I suspect the fix may be a oneliner | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will try to find some time | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic open discussion | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:15 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | i am already the ptl again for vitcoria, officially | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i am also a a candidate for tc | 14:16 |
| tosky | thanks! | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i assume everybody is already aware but i like to have it in the meeting logs | 14:16 |
| tosky | for both | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | anyway, i don't have anything else to report today, so we can close it | 14:18 |
| tosky | yep - so please if you want to work on something, I'd say to focus on saharaclient, which is going to be released first | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, that is good advice | 14:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:19 |
| tosky | thank you! | 14:20 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:20 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 14:20:51 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-02-14.07.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-02-14.07.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-02-14.07.log.html | 14:20 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 16:00:11 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
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| artom | o/ (sorta - it's also lunch time, so I'm feeding the kiddos) | 16:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 16:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| bauzas | (it's beer time but I can wait) | 16:01 |
| _erlon_ | \O | 16:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:01 |
| elod | o/ | 16:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:01 |
| gibi | bauzas: I understand your pain as we are in the same timezone so I will be quick | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Last meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-03-26-16.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| gibi | Plans for a virtual PTG is still up on the ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013555.html | 16:02 |
| gibi | Two company rule are less strict now as per #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013553.html | 16:02 |
| gibi | We have two new cores lyarwood and gmann. Welcome! \o/ | 16:02 |
| gibi | anything we have to discuss about these topics? | 16:03 |
| gmann | thanks everyone. | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | No Critical bugs | 16:04 |
| gibi | somebody added the following to the wiki without a nick | 16:04 |
| gibi | OVS drops RARP packets by QEMU upon live-migration causes up to 40s ping pause [1] | 16:04 |
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| bauzas | gibi: FWIW, there was a meeting from the Foundation about any plans for the Virtual PTG | 16:04 |
| rambo_li | yeah ,it is me | 16:04 |
| bauzas | but i can discuss this during the open discussion | 16:04 |
| gibi | bauzas: ack, let's do discuss that in the open | 16:05 |
| rambo_li | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815989 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815989 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "OVS drops RARP packets by QEMU upon live-migration causes up to 40s ping pause in Rocky" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to sean mooney (sean-k-mooney) | 16:05 |
| rambo_li | How can we solve this bug thoroughly?And it has serious impact on the OpenStack environment. | 16:05 |
| gibi | rambo_li: floor is yours | 16:05 |
| gibi | rambo_li, sean-k-mooney: do you see a need for a change in nova? | 16:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: i have not looked at this is some time but if i remeber correctly this is related to the use of multple port binding and some nova neutron interactions | 16:07 |
| rambo_li | I want to know if there is someone following up, such an sean | 16:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/602432/ | 16:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think that is require among other things to make it work | 16:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | well to fix the issue | 16:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | the proablem is as long as libvirt is pluging the interface we can not fix this | 16:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we need to delegate pluging in all cases to os-vif to fix it which that does but we need a neutron fix as well before that can proceed | 16:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is https://review.opendev.org/#/c/640258 | 16:09 |
| sean-k-mooney | i have not been working on this since last cycle | 16:09 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: thanks | 16:09 |
| gibi | rambo_li: do you or somebody on your side can help with pushing the patches forward? | 16:10 |
| gibi | rambo_li: I also suggest to ping ralonsoh from neutron about the neutron side of the fix | 16:11 |
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| sean-k-mooney | clip notes version is libvirt add the port to ovs, then there is a short race between neutorn wiring it up and qemu sending the RARP | 16:11 |
| rambo_li | I agree the ning yao in this comment .so how can we solve it thoroughly. Is that possible to activate the port binding before the vm shutting down on the source host and vm being running on the destination host? | 16:12 |
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| sean-k-mooney | rambo_li: no wont work | 16:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | rambo_li: libvirt deletes the prot and recreates it | 16:12 |
| ralonsoh | I'll sync up with sean-k-mooney after the meeting | 16:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | which mean that neutron needs to set it up again | 16:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | but yes we can talk after | 16:12 |
| rambo_li | yeah , we can talk it after | 16:13 |
| gibi | ralonsoh, sean-k-mooney, rambo_li: thanks. let me know if I can help somehow | 16:13 |
| gibi | still about bugs | 16:14 |
| gibi | #link 108 new untriaged bugs (+6 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:14 |
| gibi | so we are over 100 again :/ | 16:14 |
| gibi | still I haven't had time to go and triage some | 16:14 |
| gibi | anyhow moving forward | 16:14 |
| gibi | #topic Gate status | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:14 | |
| gibi | melwitt, lyarwood, gmann: how is the gate doing recently? | 16:14 |
| gibi | I filed a functinal test stability bug and pushed a fix recently https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1870385 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1870385 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "AcceleratorServerTest.test_create_server_with_error fails intermittently" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer) | 16:15 |
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| gmann | i did not see any blocking but i was busy on policy things to finish so not aware if any bug is happening frequently (but not blocking). | 16:16 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | This week we have "Final release for non-client libraries" | 16:17 |
| gibi | I think we are ready. os-vif did not need a new release since 2.0.0 | 16:17 |
| gibi | I talked with tetsuro, he handles os-resource-classes and os-traits | 16:17 |
| gibi | One week until Milestone 3 | 16:17 |
| gibi | which means Feature freeze is next week | 16:17 |
| gibi | from the 30 approved BPs for Ussuri 10 have already been implemented(+2 since last week) \o/ | 16:17 |
| gibi | There are 9 open BPs still targeted to ussuri-3 #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/ussuri-3 | 16:18 |
| gibi | any question about the FF? | 16:18 |
| artom | Any differences/plans around FFEs this cycle? | 16:18 |
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| gibi | I don't think there is any difference | 16:19 |
| artom | Or ask as usual for things that almost made it and are worht it? | 16:19 |
| gmann | gibi: 9th April is FF right? | 16:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: the cybrog blueprint is more or less complete although there are some follow up patches that would still be good to merge | 16:19 |
| bauzas | I wouldn't argue for my single side, but I think that in this period, an exceptional FFE period could help a bit | 16:20 |
| gibi | artom: yes. post an FFe mail to the ML if you need one | 16:20 |
| gibi | gmann: yes, Apr 9 EOB if the FF | 16:20 |
| artom | gibi, not me personally, I got nothing this cycle - but I'm aware of at least 1 that'll probably happen, so wanted to make sure | 16:20 |
| gmann | ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| bauzas | one week left indeed | 16:20 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: I see some doc patch open but that can go in after FF | 16:21 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: do you want to push the evac fix for Ussuri? | 16:21 |
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| sean-k-mooney | am if i can get it done before FF it would be nice to have | 16:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we have at least one move operation but lets cross that bridge next week | 16:21 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: sure, if it is ready I think me and dansmith can push it through | 16:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | i need to finish refactoring it and testing it but i hope to have a version for ye to review tomrrow | 16:22 |
| gibi | bauzas: we have to produce RC1 on the week of 20th of April so we have 3 weeks between FF and RC1 | 16:23 |
| bauzas | I know | 16:23 |
| gibi | so I don't see too much possibility to extend FF (except the usual FFe request) | 16:23 |
| bauzas | and I know it will stretch things if we go with exceptions | 16:23 |
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| bauzas | I'd have appreciated if the TC would have changed a bit of release window, but that's not the case | 16:23 |
| bauzas | anyway, not a big case on my side like I said | 16:24 |
| gibi | OK, anything else about FF? | 16:24 |
| gibi | M3 also means Final release for client libraries | 16:25 |
| gibi | we have novaclient patches open to support the newly merged microversions, 2.83 and 2.84 | 16:25 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713089 | 16:25 |
| gibi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/714561 | 16:25 |
| gibi | I left feedback on 2.83 | 16:25 |
| artom | Have we started requiring osc patches as well, btw? | 16:25 |
| gibi | 2.84 is trivial just queued up behind 2.83 | 16:25 |
| artom | Otherwise the novaclient-osc gap will just get larger and larger | 16:25 |
| gibi | artom: good question | 16:25 |
| artom | I guess we can save that for open discussion? | 16:26 |
| gibi | artom: I have nothing else now for the release topic so lets discuss osc | 16:26 |
| bauzas | gibi: okay, I'll review those novaclient patches urgentlyu | 16:26 |
| gibi | honestly I don't know if we have a written rule for requiring osc patches | 16:26 |
| bauzas | we don't (yet) | 16:26 |
| artom | Or I guess osdk? It's the new official thing, right? | 16:27 |
| gibi | artom: I feel you know more about osc and sdk than me :) | 16:27 |
| artom | gibi, if I do, it's only barely ;) | 16:27 |
| artom | FWIW, I think we should make it compulsory, like we do for novaclient | 16:28 |
| bauzas | it's just some companies recommend this tool in their documentation but not novaclient | 16:28 |
| gibi | anyhow time is sort until the last osc release for ussuri so let's try to make a decision for V cycle about such requirement | 16:28 |
| artom | We can ask mordred for the right place to put the new code, but we can't continue just adding stuff to novaclient | 16:28 |
| artom | Otherwise, as I said, the gap will grow and grow and grow | 16:28 |
| artom | But yeah, V is a good time to start :) | 16:29 |
| gibi | artom: if we add the bindig code to novaclient then osc can consume that still? | 16:29 |
| bauzas | we discussed it at a couple of PTGs | 16:29 |
| bauzas | the main issue wasn't the design | 16:29 |
| artom | gibi, not sure - IIUC it still needs to be wired up | 16:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: it could but its kind of going againt the dirction of osc swapping to the sdk | 16:29 |
| bauzas | the main issue was that nobody was signing off for it | 16:29 |
| gibi | OK, so this is a topic for the PTG | 16:30 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, yeah, I wasn't sure of what the new hotness was | 16:30 |
| artom | Substitute "official openstack client program" for osc :) | 16:30 |
| gibi | artom, bauzas, sean-k-mooney: does some of you can add the topic to the etherpad with as many background as you have? | 16:30 |
| bauzas | I can, my tab is open | 16:30 |
| artom | gibi, I brought it up, I'll do it | 16:30 |
| bauzas | oh cool | 16:31 |
| gibi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-victoria-ptg | 16:31 |
| artom | bauzas, ok, unjinx! It's all yours | 16:31 |
| artom | Dammit, too late! | 16:31 |
| artom | ;) | 16:31 |
| gmann | FYI. Virtual PTG planning meeting is on April 6th and 7th one. | 16:31 |
| gmann | about dates and all | 16:31 |
| bauzas | gmann: I followed one this afternoon my time | 16:32 |
| bauzas | there are notes already | 16:32 |
| gmann | bauzas: great | 16:32 |
| bauzas | but I promised to discuss it during the opens | 16:32 |
| gibi | yepp | 16:32 |
| gibi | so moving forward | 16:32 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:32 |
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| gmann | +1 | 16:32 |
| gibi | I see fairly short review backlogs on both train and stein | 16:32 |
| gibi | lyarwood is off this week. elod: anything newsworthy on stable? | 16:32 |
| elod | nothing special, | 16:33 |
| elod | short backlogs as you wrote | 16:33 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:34 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:34 |
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| gibi | Placement (tetsuro) | 16:34 |
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| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:34 |
| gibi | gmann: anything besides the progressing policy work? | 16:35 |
| gmann | pushing the policy stuff in speedy way | 16:35 |
| gmann | other than that nothing specific to mention. | 16:35 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:35 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:35 | |
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| gibi | nothing on the agenda | 16:35 |
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| gibi | do you have anything to discuss here? | 16:36 |
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| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:36 |
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| gibi | New Scheduler Affinity/Anti-affinity Filter (erlon) | 16:36 |
| gibi | _erlon_: your turn | 16:37 |
| _erlon_ | hey guys | 16:37 |
| _erlon_ | so, we are planning to add a Affinity/Anti-affinity filter to Nova, and want to get some feedback | 16:38 |
| artom | Different from what we already have? | 16:38 |
| _erlon_ | artom: yes | 16:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: what is the goal and how does it differ form the existing filter/weigher we have for hard and soft affintiy | 16:38 |
| bauzas | I think it could be discussed in a spec | 16:39 |
| _erlon_ | artom: so, the use case is that, we can want to create a bunch of VMs and want Nova to spread them across multiple AZs | 16:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | well it will need one but i was hoping for a clip notes version asn tehre are issues with palacement when it comes to affinity and anti afinity | 16:39 |
| _erlon_ | bauzas: that was my next question, if we needed that to be on a spec | 16:39 |
| dansmith | that would go against our current AZ behavior, outside even the control of a filter, IMHO | 16:40 |
| _erlon_ | sean-k-mooney: clip note version? | 16:40 |
| bauzas | what dansmith said | 16:40 |
| dansmith | that'd be the job for an external tool, IMHO | 16:40 |
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| bauzas | but again, I'd prefer to discuss this in a spec | 16:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: you answered it you want to do AZ anti affintiy | 16:40 |
| _erlon_ | dansmith: what outside the ontrol of a filter? the host group affinity does exacly that | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | clip notes version is the short version :) | 16:41 |
| _erlon_ | got it | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: well for a start it would only work if you did not have an az in the boot request. | 16:41 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: but then we assign the default AZ if you don't, | 16:42 |
| bauzas | I feel they want host aggregate anti-affinity | 16:42 |
| _erlon_ | sean-k-mooney: yes, i think that should be a limitation | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: this is specvicly for nova multi create api right e.g. boot 5 servers with one request | 16:42 |
| dansmith | so the filter would need to override that behavior I think | 16:42 |
| bauzas | and not server anti-affinity | 16:42 |
| bauzas | but either way, drafting it on the fly seems difficult as we at least need to understand what problem we have to solve | 16:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: which would be too late if we have dont the az->host aggrate to placement aggreaet mapping already | 16:43 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: do you feel okay with writing a spec and mainly explaining *what* you want to solve ? | 16:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: have you filed a blueprint to track this feature? | 16:43 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: forget first about the solution and explain what's missing for your needs | 16:43 |
| bauzas | in the nova toolket | 16:44 |
| _erlon_ | sean-k-mooney: not necessarily, we tryied using the same group affinity for hosts. So, we create a group, set its affinity, and all the isntances created in that group will land/or not in the same or different AZ | 16:44 |
| gibi | bauzas: +1 | 16:44 |
| bauzas | and maybe we could come up with a solution for you that wouldn't require some new implementation work | 16:44 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: I'd have to look at the order of where that gets set and assumed, but I'm skeptical about doing this inside nova in general | 16:44 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: in general, that's what happens with filters | 16:44 |
| _erlon_ | bauzas: so, are you faminilar witth the host affinity groups? | 16:44 |
| bauzas | most of the times, the current state is flexible enough to address lots of needs | 16:44 |
| gibi | _erlon_: as bauzas suggested, please write a short spec focusing on the use case and let's continue the discussion in that spec. | 16:45 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: spec up, and then ping me | 16:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: ya i was more thinking it might have to be a pre request filter at a minium as a normal filter would be too late. | 16:45 |
| _erlon_ | gibi: bauzas: sounds good | 16:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | still intersted in understand the usecase in anycase | 16:45 |
| gibi | OK, going back to virtual PTG plannign | 16:45 |
| _erlon_ | the other questions | 16:45 |
| gibi | nvm | 16:45 |
| gibi | _erlon_: yes? | 16:46 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: and if you already have code up, good news! you can just use your own filters out-of-tree without loosing time to convince ourselves :p | 16:46 |
| _erlon_ | I didnt see any spec freeze in the nova schedule | 16:46 |
| _erlon_ | do you guys have it? | 16:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | its noramlly milestone 2 | 16:46 |
| gibi | _erlon_: Ussuri spec freeze are in the past | 16:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | although we have change it in the past to be milestone 1 | 16:46 |
| bauzas | we no longer do spec freeze | 16:46 |
| bauzas | but yeah m-2 | 16:46 |
| bauzas | actually, yeah we do | 16:46 |
| gibi | V cycle schedule #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html | 16:47 |
| _erlon_ | ok | 16:47 |
| gibi | M2 is end of july | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: you have about 2-4 months before the deadline | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya | 16:47 |
| _erlon_ | sean-k-mooney: ok | 16:47 |
| bauzas | again, focus on the problem | 16:47 |
| bauzas | explain your usecase | 16:47 |
| _erlon_ | about using it of tree, we have hit problems in the past as we have to manually alter the distro package | 16:48 |
| _erlon_ | bauzas: sure, makes sense | 16:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | _erlon_: im guesin you are using AZs to model fault domains and you want to magage the scudling accordingly to acchive ha | 16:48 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: FWIW, you can just package your single filter separately, it'll work fine | 16:49 |
| bauzas | no need to alter anything | 16:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i think we can likely move on for now if there are other topics | 16:49 |
| bauzas | ++ | 16:49 |
| gibi | let's continue this on #openstack-nova as I'd like to go back to the virtual PTG thing for a bit | 16:49 |
| gibi | bauzas: so you already heard some info from the fundation today | 16:49 |
| bauzas | no precise info, it was a discussion | 16:50 |
| _erlon_ | bauzas: we only manage to make nova to see it by changing the eggs | 16:50 |
| bauzas | and I raised the concerns I had | 16:50 |
| bauzas | _erlon_: let's continue this over -nova please | 16:50 |
| gibi | bauzas: cool. I will try to read up on that discussion and see how it relates to my current plans | 16:50 |
| _erlon_ | but anywasy, Ill publish a spec later guys. thanks a lot for now | 16:50 |
| gibi | _erlon_: thanks | 16:50 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Virtual_PTG_Planning | 16:51 |
| bauzas | tl;dr: the PTG would be on 2 weeks (or more) | 16:51 |
| bauzas | we could potentially have two distinct periods, one for cross-project discussion, the other being the project team discussions | 16:52 |
| bauzas | overlapping sessions potentially | 16:52 |
| bauzas | and maybe large time slots in the day to allow contributors from different timezones to join | 16:52 |
| bauzas | but the main thing is : there will be two more sessions to attend | 16:52 |
| bauzas | (if you bear using Zoom) | 16:53 |
| bauzas | dates are on the etherpad | 16:53 |
| gibi | April 6th at 17 UTC | 16:53 |
| bauzas | so, like any other business, if you care, you dare join | 16:53 |
| gibi | April 7th at 2 UTC | 16:53 |
| gibi | bauzas: thanks for the summary | 16:53 |
| bauzas | that's it from me | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | ideally i think we should try to organsise our own seesion slots within that period to avoid overlap were we can | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | not that i expect we would all attend every session. we dont even do that in person | 16:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | but jsut to avoid overlap where it not needed | 16:54 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: yeah, I feel organizing a real time session per topic for important topics are easier than have an umbrella slot | 16:54 |
| bauzas | sean-k-mooney: ideally I'd appreciate the Foundation to back us | 16:54 |
| gibi | bauzas: back us with what? | 16:54 |
| bauzas | by providing mission letters to our management, asking them to not bear us during the timeslots | 16:55 |
| gibi | bauzas: I see | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i dont think its very different then how we normally manage our time at the ptg | 16:55 |
| bauzas | that's why defining some specific period of time could help | 16:55 |
| bauzas | sean-k-mooney: yes and no | 16:55 |
| bauzas | not paying attention to the internal channels during the usual PTG definitely helps | 16:55 |
| gibi | bauzas: good point. I have to block out all my downstream meeting for that two weeks | 16:55 |
| gibi | which will be fun :) | 16:56 |
| bauzas | gibi: that's why the Foundation wants the dates to be well communicated | 16:56 |
| bauzas | and understood | 16:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we can arrange some buckets of time that suite the majority of peopel, with foundation help if possibel we can then schdule within those slots as needed. | 16:56 |
| artom | bauzas, tbf, I don't think RH management will be a problem :) Other companies I have no idea about | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya that true | 16:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | if i was at the ptg i would not be attending the meetings that week anyway | 16:57 |
| gibi | anything else? we have 2 minutes | 16:58 |
| bauzas | artom: sure, but I don't speak here for my single company :) | 16:58 |
| bauzas | although some escalations could occur... | 16:58 |
| artom | bauzas, right, but that's implicitly understood to be top priority at all times | 16:58 |
| artom | Anyways | 16:59 |
| artom | FWIW, RH hosted a community event around running virtual meetups | 16:59 |
| artom | I took some notes, with some maybe interesting ideas | 16:59 |
| artom | I'll send that to the ML | 16:59 |
| gibi | artom: thanks! | 16:59 |
| gibi | ... 20 seconds | 16:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not really planning to attend the virtual ptg planning metting | 16:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom bauzas can you update us next week | 17:00 |
| gibi | thank your for joining. o/ | 17:00 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 17:00:09 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-02-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-02-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-02-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: sorry we run out of time | 17:00 |
| bauzas | sean-k-mooney: I joined one of those events, I'm personnally done with it | 17:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: no worries lest go back to the nova channel | 17:00 |
| bauzas | I raised my concerns, I heard some feedback, I'm done | 17:00 |
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