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gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 16:00:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
elod | o/ | 16:00 |
stephenfin | o/ | 16:00 |
gmann | o/ | 16:01 |
melwitt | o/ | 16:01 |
gibi | #topic Last meeting | 16:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:01 | |
gibi | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-02-16.00.log.html | 16:01 |
lyarwood | o/ | 16:02 |
gibi | anything from the last meeting where follow up is needed? | 16:02 |
gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:03 | |
gibi | no critical bug | 16:03 |
gibi | #link 111 new untriaged bugs (+3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:03 |
gibi | I guess from next week everybody will focus on bugs ;) | 16:03 |
gibi | is there any bug that needs attention? | 16:03 |
lyarwood | triaged here means importance is set and status != new right? | 16:04 |
lyarwood | there's a few at the top of the list we can likely move | 16:04 |
gibi | lyarwood: yeas, basically you verified that this is really a bug | 16:04 |
lyarwood | kk | 16:05 |
gibi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 16:05 |
lyarwood | thanks | 16:05 |
bauzas | \o | 16:05 |
gibi | #topic Gate status | 16:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:05 | |
gibi | The Gate is in FF mode (i.e. clogged) | 16:05 |
* bauzas can't make promises on bug triage but has reasonable expectations for next week | 16:05 | |
gibi | but it feels less clogged than last time | 16:05 |
gibi | Recently the hit rate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1823251 is increased so I re-heated the patch that temporarily disables the unstable tests https://review.opendev.org/#/c/718629/ | 16:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1823251 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Spike in TestNovaMigrationsMySQL.test_walk_versions/test_innodb_tables failures since April 1 2019 on limestone-regionone" [High,Confirmed] | 16:05 |
gmann | yeah, takes time to get the node for testing | 16:06 |
gibi | any other gate issue that needs attention? | 16:06 |
melwitt | I've seen several hits around "multiple networks found" and proposed this https://review.opendev.org/716809 but it's the wrong approach | 16:07 |
melwitt | that is, this tempest test involves passing a network during server create, and it's supposed to get that network from creds | 16:07 |
melwitt | but the network is not present in the creds for some reason | 16:07 |
melwitt | could use some help understanding that one | 16:08 |
melwitt | other than that, I can mention that the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1844929 is approved and I'll be rechecking it through the gate | 16:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1844929 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "grenade jobs failing due to "Timed out waiting for response from cell" in scheduler" [High,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt) | 16:08 |
gmann | melwitt: i did not get chance to look into logs, I will do after this FF thngs | 16:08 |
melwitt | gmann: cool thanks | 16:08 |
gibi | melwitt, gmann: thanks | 16:09 |
dansmith | melwitt: does your cells one have a e-r query to watch for falling hits after mege? | 16:09 |
dansmith | *merge | 16:09 |
melwitt | dansmith: yes | 16:09 |
dansmith | sweet | 16:09 |
dansmith | if I could order popcorn from the empty shelves of the grocery stores, I would. | 16:09 |
melwitt | :P | 16:09 |
gibi | :) | 16:09 |
bauzas | melwitt: will follow-up on this change tomorrow if needed | 16:09 |
gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:10 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:10 | |
gibi | happy Feature Freeze day everyone! | 16:10 |
gibi | we also have the final novaclient release today for Ussuri | 16:10 |
gibi | I posted an info mail to the ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014018.html | 16:11 |
gibi | and started the release TODO etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential | 16:11 |
gibi | please review the cycle highlight patch #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712498/ as it is also due today | 16:11 |
gibi | (we can update it later, but the today's version will be used for marketing) | 16:11 |
gibi | who wants to volunteer for writing a release notes prelude? | 16:12 |
bauzas | I can | 16:12 |
gibi | bauzas: thanks! | 16:12 |
bauzas | (I'm used to) | 16:12 |
gibi | I noted your nick on the etherpad | 16:12 |
bauzas | tbc, we need to merge the prelude change before RC1 | 16:13 |
bauzas | so we have two weeks for filling it | 16:13 |
bauzas | but I'll start with a proposal and people will be able to comment | 16:13 |
gibi | bauzas: good, that is plenty of time | 16:13 |
bauzas | (or even co-author if they wish) | 16:13 |
bauzas | gibi: and sure for naming me in the etherpad | 16:14 |
gibi | gmann pinged me about an FFE for the policy work, lets discuss that at the end | 16:14 |
gmann | ok | 16:14 |
gibi | any other thing we need to discuss for FF and the novaclient release? | 16:15 |
bauzas | like I proposed, I'll be around for rechecking tomorrow | 16:15 |
gibi | I will try to look at the gate time to time during the extended weekend | 16:16 |
bauzas | if people have +Wd changes before tonight, they can ping me for asking a necessary +W if they got merge conflicts in the gate | 16:16 |
gibi | ^^ +1 | 16:16 |
bauzas | if so, please raise your request for fast-approval on your change in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential | 16:17 |
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gibi | yeah, one more thing. FFE requests are expected by ML post. We have 2 weeks for RC1 so I feel we need to close the FFE items end of Wednesday next week | 16:17 |
bauzas | and we're on a short week | 16:18 |
gibi | which means there wont be too much time to argue about FFE requests | 16:18 |
* gibi try to set expectations | 16:18 | |
gibi | anything else before moving on to stable status? | 16:19 |
sean-k-mooney | do we know if the olso chagnes will land for the policy thing | 16:19 |
sean-k-mooney | we can cover that later too | 16:19 |
gibi | I have not context on that | 16:19 |
gibi | s/not/no/ | 16:20 |
sean-k-mooney | the waring on deprecated default policies | 16:20 |
gibi | others? | 16:20 |
gmann | sean-k-mooney: wanring one is done - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717879/ | 16:20 |
sean-k-mooney | gmann i think has patches submitted and requested an oslo FFE for them | 16:20 |
gmann | sean-k-mooney: new flag for migration is pending - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/717943/ | 16:21 |
sean-k-mooney | cool | 16:21 |
gibi | gmann: do we need follow ups on the nova side for that ^^ ? | 16:21 |
gibi | if yes, please make a note on the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential | 16:22 |
gmann | I am testing that on gate but due to new config options, flag is set true properly. I tested locally and ot worked | 16:22 |
gmann | gibi: +1, i will add | 16:22 |
gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:22 |
gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:23 |
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gibi | lyarwood do we need to release stable/train and stable/stein as we are close to ussuri? | 16:24 |
gibi | I mean close to have stable/ussuri | 16:24 |
lyarwood | gibi: we can but I'd like to flush the queue post M3 | 16:24 |
bauzas | good call on flushing the queues | 16:24 |
lyarwood | gibi: I'll look into that next week once the gate settles down | 16:24 |
gibi | lyarwood: agree. | 16:24 |
melwitt | usually good to release stable branches each milestone (if there's enough changes) | 16:25 |
bauzas | we could find bugs on ussuri that 'd drop down the releases | 16:25 |
gibi | lets flush the queue and release before RC! | 16:25 |
gibi | RC1 | 16:25 |
lyarwood | yup ack | 16:25 |
gibi | thanks | 16:25 |
gibi | anything else on the stable land? | 16:25 |
bauzas | also, worth saying that we will refuse bugs on ussuri between RC1 and release date | 16:25 |
bauzas | for ussuri I mean | 16:26 |
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lyarwood | bugs are fine until RC however right? | 16:26 |
bauzas | so, next two weeks are pretty straightforward | 16:26 |
melwitt | unless they're regressions | 16:26 |
bauzas | that ^ | 16:26 |
bauzas | lyarwood: before RC1, yeah any bug is fine | 16:26 |
gibi | bugs I fine until RC1 if they are regressions or low risk | 16:26 |
bauzas | after RC1, then we branch | 16:26 |
lyarwood | ack cool just confirming | 16:26 |
gibi | after RC1 we only merge bugfixes that warrant a new RC | 16:27 |
melwitt | I mean after RC1 if there's a regression that's grounds for another RC | 16:27 |
gibi | ^^ +1 | 16:27 |
lyarwood | yup understood | 16:27 |
gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:27 |
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gibi | Placement (tetsuro) | 16:28 |
gibi | API (gmann) | 16:29 |
gmann | no other things to mention than FFE for policy work which we will discuss at the end | 16:29 |
gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:29 |
gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:29 |
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gibi | nothing on the agenda | 16:29 |
gibi | do we have stuck review to discuss? | 16:29 |
gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:30 |
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gibi | (gmann): FFE for the remaining policy work. | 16:30 |
gibi | gmann: your turn ^^ | 16:30 |
gmann | for policy work, we left with few policy. as rough count it is- ~7 policy patches up but not merged + 3 API policies to push patches | 16:32 |
gmann | and i am thinking to update the deprecated API policy also to be consistent because they are still valid for older version | 16:32 |
gibi | I can spend time on reviewing those on Tuesday, Wednesday next week | 16:33 |
gmann | i need more time to finish those. tried my best to push hard since last couple of week but could not finish | 16:33 |
gmann | gibi: thanks. | 16:33 |
gibi | gmann: what if we don't do the deprecated part of the work for U? Is the rest still usable? | 16:33 |
gmann | gibi: yes, that is usable and by default all the new changes (scope and defaults) are not enabled so existing deployment would break | 16:35 |
gmann | that is what we tested with test cases | 16:35 |
gibi | you mean "would not break" | 16:35 |
bauzas | alas. hopefully :) | 16:35 |
gmann | no, it will keep working until they enable scope flag which is disabled by default | 16:36 |
gibi | OK, so the feauter is disable by default. cool | 16:36 |
gibi | other, what do you think about granting FFE for the policy work? | 16:36 |
gibi | others | 16:37 |
gmann | and if they enable the scope flag enforce_scope and new flag enforce_new_defaults then everything move to new system | 16:37 |
bauzas | I have pros and cons | 16:37 |
bauzas | I feel it's reasonable to assume that the changes are self-contained and the risk is low | 16:38 |
gmann | my hope is in ussuri we rlease so that operator when they switch the flag to adopt new things all policy get the changes | 16:38 |
bauzas | on the other hand, just by looking at https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/policy-defaults-refresh+%28status:open+OR+status:merged%29 I can see there is still a massive effort to make for getting all the patches merged | 16:38 |
gmann | instead of few policy left to have new things | 16:38 |
melwitt | I'm thinking it would be good to have the complete set of new policy defaults together in one release | 16:39 |
gmann | yeah, +1 | 16:39 |
melwitt | and scope types support | 16:39 |
bauzas | and looking at the timings, we are short | 16:39 |
bauzas | the RC1 period is two weeks | 16:39 |
bauzas | and we have this Friday and Monday where people on or off | 16:39 |
gmann | bauzas: other than first patch which is adding tests cases, changes are very straight forward | 16:39 |
gmann | straight forward means changing the policy on same line with decision of correct scope and dfaults | 16:40 |
bauzas | so, yeah, I'm intended to say yes, but I have concerns about whether we can merge the whole series by Wednesday | 16:40 |
bauzas | gmann: sure, but like I said to you, there is https://review.opendev.org/718348 that's not merged yet | 16:40 |
bauzas | and if we say we want the whole series by Ussuri, this one necessarly has to work | 16:41 |
gmann | Wednesday ? | 16:41 |
bauzas | I don't know, I don't want to give a specific deadline | 16:42 |
gibi | as I meantioned above we have two weeks til RC1 so it would be good to done with FFEs at next Wednesday | 16:42 |
gmann | I am pretty confident to make all work (other than deprecated APIs) up before Tuesday | 16:42 |
bauzas | but honestly, given 2 weeks of RC1, giving more than one extra week for FFEs seems unreasonable | 16:42 |
gibi | if we have things up by Tuesday then it might need still couple days to review | 16:43 |
bauzas | honestly, I don't know what to say, stephenfin did most of the reviews so he should speak IMHO | 16:43 |
gibi | still I tend to agree on granting a FFE due to the impact we can make if we finish | 16:43 |
bauzas | me too | 16:43 |
gmann | gibi: and considering the gate and rebase things if happens | 16:43 |
bauzas | I'm .9 on this one but i have concerns | 16:44 |
stephenfin | No arguments from me, fwiw. They're pretty easy to review | 16:44 |
gibi | stephenfin: will you have bandwidth for review next week for the policy patches? | 16:44 |
bauzas | who would review besides stephenfin ? gibi, me ? | 16:44 |
bauzas | hah, jinxed | 16:44 |
stephenfin | Sure. Just not Monday (I'm off) | 16:44 |
gibi | yeah I'm also back on Tuesday | 16:44 |
stephenfin | johnthetubaguy is the other person that's been doing most of the reviews | 16:44 |
gmann | johnthetubaguy: review also but he is not online now so cannot say | 16:45 |
gmann | yeah | 16:45 |
melwitt | I can help review | 16:45 |
gibi | cool | 16:45 |
gmann | thanks melwitt | 16:45 |
melwitt | I will be here on monday | 16:45 |
bauzas | then... | 16:45 |
gibi | anybody else has concerns? | 16:45 |
gibi | #info FFE is granted for the policy work. We are aiming for finishing it next week. | 16:46 |
gmann | thanks everyone | 16:46 |
gibi | gmann: please drop a mail to the ML about it, just for formality. | 16:46 |
gmann | on including this on cycle highlights page. I am working on adding doc and reno. can we get those today and link to page which is deadline today ? | 16:47 |
gmann | gibi: yeah. noted | 16:47 |
bauzas | gmann: that looks difficult | 16:47 |
bauzas | we can't tell about things that haven't merged yet, right? | 16:47 |
gibi | gmann: could you write like 2-3 senteces to me after the meeting that I can put it into the highlight? | 16:47 |
gmann | ok | 16:47 |
bauzas | and i don't know whether we can patch the highlights later on | 16:48 |
gibi | bauzas: I'm not sure | 16:48 |
gibi | bauzas: we can patch | 16:48 |
gibi | Im sure about that | 16:48 |
bauzas | then | 16:48 |
melwitt | we can patch highlights later but they won't go into marketing materials | 16:48 |
bauzas | let's patch once it's merged, nope ? | 16:48 |
gibi | the only limit is that the marketing folks will start using the today's version | 16:48 |
gmann | we can patch later but only things is it can miss if market team pick before modification | 16:48 |
gmann | yeah | 16:48 |
gmann | if they pick monday or later then even better | 16:48 |
gmann | so i can write the 2-3 lines and in parallel work on doc/reno which can be linked later ? | 16:49 |
gibi | we already merged parts of the policy support | 16:49 |
gibi | so we can write a generic highlight that is true already | 16:50 |
stephenfin | we already have improved policy support, so we wouldn't be lying | 16:50 |
gibi | yes ^^ | 16:50 |
gibi | that is what I'm thinking | 16:50 |
bauzas | lol | 16:50 |
gibi | and the details will be in the reno | 16:50 |
stephenfin | the lie would be to say it's complete :) | 16:50 |
gibi | exaclty | 16:50 |
stephenfin | yup, reno ftw | 16:50 |
bauzas | that's what happens when you ask nerds to provide you marketing materials | 16:51 |
gibi | I don't feel bad about it | 16:51 |
gibi | OK. I will update the cycle highlight patch today | 16:52 |
gibi | anything else to discuss? | 16:52 |
gmann | thanks. I will write the summary and provide to you | 16:52 |
gibi | gmann: awesome | 16:52 |
gmann | thanks everyone for supporting it /o\. | 16:53 |
gibi | if nothing else then I will close the meeting and go to pray for God Zuul a bit | 16:54 |
artom | Quick questions - RC1 is in 2 weeks, so that's the time window we have to merge bug fixes? | 16:54 |
sean-k-mooney | yes | 16:54 |
* artom didn't realize it was this short | 16:54 | |
artom | And after that it's only regressions, or really bad stuff? | 16:55 |
sean-k-mooney | after rc1 the master branch switich to Victoria | 16:55 |
gibi | artom: between now and RC1 we fix bugs, between RC1 and GA we only fix release breaking bugs | 16:55 |
bauzas | artom: we can merge bugs *after* RC1 but those will be officilally Victoria | 16:55 |
bauzas | if you want them to be Ussuri, hold your breath for a couple of weeks or shout it's a regression fix | 16:55 |
sean-k-mooney | between rc1 and relase teh stable branch is till manage by the core team | 16:56 |
bauzas | again, we can merge bugs | 16:56 |
sean-k-mooney | once the releae is done normal backports can be don to stable/usuri | 16:56 |
bauzas | they are just on the master branch, which won't be Ussuri | 16:56 |
artom | Understood, thanks all | 16:56 |
melwitt | yeah for regressions after RC1 that causes another RC and then the fix backported to stable/ussuri | 16:56 |
artom | Aha, so RC1 = master becomes Victoria | 16:57 |
sean-k-mooney | yep | 16:57 |
artom | (And presumably stable/ussuri is cut) | 16:57 |
sean-k-mooney | yes | 16:57 |
artom | Understood | 16:57 |
sean-k-mooney | i think we are done o/ | 16:57 |
gibi | OK | 16:57 |
gibi | thanks you folks | 16:57 |
gibi | and happy Easter! | 16:57 |
bauzas | ++ | 16:58 |
gibi | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-09-16.00.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-09-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
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