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| jeremyfreudberg | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 30 14:00:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o. | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:04 |
| tosky | I can't be too much around, but | 14:06 |
| tosky | we have almost everything merged for the ussuri release | 14:06 |
| tosky | (even in RDO) | 14:06 |
| tosky | the big issue now is https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007596 | 14:06 |
| tosky | nuff said | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i am working on a fix for 2007596 right now | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that is my main thing | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i might have something posted for review today, if my theories are correct | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic open discussion | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:08 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | we also have someone interested in contributing cdh 6.3 support | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it should be interesting to see if it works | 14:08 |
| tosky | yes, definitely! | 14:11 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | anyway, i think we can just close the meeting, i'd like to take the time to keep working on my patch | 14:13 |
| tosky | if that could help getting a fix ready, sure :) | 14:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, let's close | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks all! | 14:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 30 14:19:32 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-30-14.00.html | 14:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-30-14.00.txt | 14:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-04-30-14.00.log.html | 14:19 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 30 16:00:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 16:00 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 16:01 |
| artom | ~o~ | 16:01 |
| gibi | OK lets get started | 16:01 |
| gibi | #topic Last meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-23-16.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| gibi | anything we have to bring back from the last meeting? | 16:02 |
| gibi | if not then moving forward to | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:03 | |
| gibi | No Critical bugs | 16:03 |
| gibi | #link 38 new untriaged bugs (-15 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:03 |
| gibi | we need to keep an eye of possible regressions as Ussuri release is in 2 weeks | 16:03 |
| gibi | RC critical bugs are tagged with ussuri-rc-potential #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ussuri-rc-potential | 16:03 |
| gibi | we have one bug tracked as RC2 potential | 16:04 |
| gibi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1875418 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1875418 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Generated policy.json in Ussuri is broken by default" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann) | 16:04 |
| gibi | gmann is working on the upgrade check for that | 16:04 |
| dansmith | we're going to call that fixed by the status tool patch/ | 16:04 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:04 |
| gibi | dansmith: do you mean fixed for ussuri? | 16:05 |
| dansmith | gibi: yeah, meaning.. is the merging/backporting of the status fix all we have or are going to do to call that rc2 bug fixed? | 16:05 |
| dansmith | not suggesting there is more, just asking if there is so I can help review | 16:06 |
| gibi | I think that is all for stable/ussuri and for RC2 | 16:06 |
| dansmith | ack | 16:06 |
| gibi | we have topic added to the PTG to further discuss | 16:06 |
| dansmith | gmann is addressing feedback from me on that in the last hour | 16:06 |
| gibi | dansmith, gmann: tomorrow is holiday here but I will check back for tha bug fix either today or tomorrow | 16:07 |
| gmann | yeah, working on those. and we can discuss the json format things in PTG | 16:07 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:07 |
| gmann | gibi: I will bring it in hour or early. | 16:07 |
| dansmith | gibi: okay I can try to get someone else to +W after I've +2d so we can move it along | 16:07 |
| gibi | dansmith: sure, don't have to wait for me | 16:07 |
| gibi | and thanks for reviewing it | 16:08 |
| gibi | any other bugs we should discuss? | 16:08 |
| * bauzas waves late | 16:08 | |
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| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:09 | |
| gibi | TODOs are tracked in the etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-ussuri-rc-potential | 16:09 |
| gibi | We cut RC1 last week | 16:10 |
| gibi | We will need RC2 after the policy upgrade check is merged and backported to stable/ussuri #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723645/ | 16:10 |
| gibi | Deadline for last RC is May 8 | 16:10 |
| gibi | is there anything else to discuss about the release? | 16:10 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:11 | |
| gibi | 19.2.0 form stable/stein has been released https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723357 | 16:11 |
| gibi | lyarwood any other news? | 16:11 |
| lyarwood | Nothing from me no. | 16:11 |
| gibi | lyarwood: thanks | 16:11 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:12 | |
| gibi | Placement (tetsuro) | 16:12 |
| gibi | I think I will remove Placement from the meeting agenda | 16:13 |
| gibi | tetsuro: feel free to ping me about it | 16:13 |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:13 |
| gmann | not much to share except policy stuff already discussed. | 16:13 |
| gmann | few API things are under review | 16:13 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:14 |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:14 |
| bauzas | nothing yet, we just created the subteam | 16:15 |
| bauzas | we have few new folks, thanks for all of them :) | 16:15 |
| aarents | I just put my things on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-libvirt-subteam | 16:15 |
| bauzas | yeah, we somehow need to organize some team 'meeting' | 16:15 |
| gibi | bauzas: thanks | 16:16 |
| aarents | k | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda, is there anything to bring up? | 16:17 |
| gibi | #topic Virtual PTG planning | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual PTG planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:17 | |
| gibi | Meeting time slots has been booked based on the doodle results #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014523.html | 16:18 |
| gmann | gibi: you mean on this- https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 16:19 |
| gibi | I think we can still extend those slots if we want but I had to book someting due to fundation deadline | 16:19 |
| gibi | gmann: yes, the overall schedule is in that ethercalc | 16:19 |
| gibi | nova is in the Rocky column | 16:19 |
| gmann | ah, saw now, thanks | 16:20 |
| gibi | anything else regarding the virtual PTG? | 16:20 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:21 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda, is there anyting?/ | 16:21 |
| artom | So, before bauzas brings up the backport that he told me wants to bring up | 16:22 |
| artom | Placement subteam's absence lead me to look at placement as a project... who's still around there? efried left, cdent? | 16:22 |
| gibi | cden also left | 16:22 |
| bauzas | tetsuro I think | 16:22 |
| artom | Is tetsuro the only one? | 16:22 |
| gibi | tetsuro still keeping the light on | 16:23 |
| artom | OK - something to keep an eye on, since we're pretty heavily dependant on placement | 16:23 |
| bauzas | I think I'm still a placement-core tho :) | 16:23 |
| gibi | me too | 16:23 |
| gibi | and I'm OK to get bugs to fix | 16:23 |
| gibi | in placement | 16:23 |
| bauzas | as well | 16:24 |
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| bauzas | to ask* | 16:24 |
| artom | Aha, I just checked https://review.opendev.org/#/admin/groups/1936,members | 16:24 |
| artom | OK, so still operational, though that list could use updating | 16:24 |
| artom | Reassuring :) | 16:24 |
| artom | OK, that's it for that - bauzas, wanna introduce the placement audit backport? | 16:25 |
| bauzas | so, the question is basically, should we accept to backport the placement audit command for Train ? | 16:25 |
| bauzas | it's a bugfix :p | 16:26 |
| artom | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:placement-audit-backport+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 16:26 |
| bauzas | artom said it's a DNM | 16:26 |
| artom | I did it upstream first because we need it in our product downstream | 16:26 |
| artom | But assumed it has no chance, so DNM'ed it | 16:26 |
| bauzas | tbh, Red hat doesn't really need to have it backported to Train | 16:26 |
| artom | Wanted to get upstream CI on it | 16:26 |
| artom | It starts to get ugly around stein :/ | 16:26 |
| bauzas | but maybe other operators would love to get it without red hat :) | 16:26 |
| artom | We need it in queens, and therefore train as well, to avoid regressions | 16:27 |
| bauzas | hence my question | 16:27 |
| gibi | I can see the value in it | 16:28 |
| gibi | did we backported nova-mange CLI additions before? | 16:29 |
| bauzas | heal_allocations maybe | 16:29 |
| melwitt | we usually did not. which is why at the time I backported heal_allocations to queens downstream only | 16:29 |
| bauzas | I don't remember correctly tho | 16:29 |
| melwitt | because it was nacked upstream | 16:29 |
| bauzas | kk | 16:29 |
| bauzas | again, it's not b/c redhat | 16:30 |
| bauzas | just in case operators want them | 16:30 |
| melwitt | but, we did backport the --instance and one other option to heal_allocations, there was an ML thread mriedem made about it to ask for ack about it | 16:30 |
| aarents | We will migrate soon to stein so yes.. audit is a good to have for us | 16:31 |
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| melwitt | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010572.html | 16:31 |
| gibi | Do we see any future issue we we merge those backports? | 16:31 |
| dansmith | did queens have the different allocation structure for migations? I forget when that was | 16:32 |
| bauzas | maybe CERN would like it ? | 16:32 |
| bauzas | dansmith: at least because queens wasn't having nested RPs | 16:32 |
| dansmith | if so, I would expect the audit command to need changes | 16:32 |
| dansmith | bauzas: we didn't need nested for the migration thing | 16:32 |
| bauzas | oh for migrations ? my bad. | 16:32 |
| bauzas | afair, we did this in Ocata | 16:33 |
| bauzas | ie. after Newton | 16:33 |
| bauzas | if that's what you asked | 16:33 |
| dansmith | and it was gone in pike? | 16:34 |
| dansmith | I don't remember, I'd have to go look | 16:34 |
| bauzas | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/queens/implemented/migration-allocations.html | 16:35 |
| dansmith | anyway, I would think there's some real non-trivial validation that would need to happen to make sure it's going to do the right thing for the older releases, not just a trivial backport | 16:35 |
| bauzas | found | 16:35 |
| bauzas | err, s/Newton/pike | 16:35 |
| artom | dansmith, oh, even without that validation, the backport is non-trivial | 16:36 |
| dansmith | bauzas: that's queens, which means queens could still have doubled migration allocations I think | 16:36 |
| dansmith | which means the audit has to be able to handle that, but wouldn't in master | 16:36 |
| dansmith | anyway, i think this is pretty contrary to the type of thing we'd normally consider for stable, although we have done things for operator tooling that are more feature-y, but not quite as big as this, AFAIK | 16:37 |
| bauzas | dansmith: tbh, I just asked for backporting to Train and maybe Stein upstream | 16:37 |
| dansmith | it would be super bad to backport this, have someone start using it thinking it's a harmless prophylactic and then break their allocations | 16:37 |
| bauzas | for queens, meh | 16:37 |
| dansmith | oh, I thought for queens | 16:37 |
| gibi | can we agree to allow merging the cleaner part (train, stein) ? | 16:38 |
| artom | Pretty much only train, stein's not even that clean :( | 16:38 |
| bauzas | well, Rocky and older releases are in EM | 16:38 |
| artom | Well, I'll let the reviewers judge | 16:38 |
| bauzas | while Train and Stein are still in Maintenance | 16:38 |
| bauzas | hence my question | 16:39 |
| dansmith | so, what's the big reason for this? | 16:39 |
| bauzas | sorry if I was unclear | 16:39 |
| dansmith | because redhat wants upstream CI on that? are any operators asking for it to fix things? | 16:39 |
| bauzas | again, nothing really needed for redhat | 16:39 |
| bauzas | just proposing to have it upstream in case people wanted it | 16:39 |
| gibi | aarents already expressed the need above | 16:39 |
| artom | dansmith, for me it was purely procedural - push as DNM to allow me to do it one release at a time (downstream our branches for stein and rocky are EOL) and to get upstream CI | 16:40 |
| bauzas | we can just work silently downstream and ask operators to pay the bill | 16:40 |
| dansmith | gibi: I didn't see a need, just a nice to have | 16:40 |
| bauzas | but heh, we're discussing this now in between all of us | 16:40 |
| gibi | dansmith: true, my bad | 16:40 |
| bauzas | either way, here is my proposal | 16:40 |
| gibi | artom, bauzas: could you ask the operators on the ML? | 16:40 |
| artom | dansmith, I wasn't actually expecting that this discussion would come up | 16:41 |
| artom | Blame bauzas for that ;) | 16:41 |
| dansmith | gibi: in the past, we've backported operator tooling generally because of some thing we realized was broken and they needed it to clean up the mess or something | 16:41 |
| bauzas | I can take the blame | 16:41 |
| bauzas | I just wanted to help others, that's it | 16:41 |
| * artom 🚎 <- bauzas | 16:41 | |
| dansmith | gibi: asking operators "would you like to have a thing" is either going to elicit no response or a yes.. nobody will say no :) | 16:41 |
| gibi | dansmith: then I don't know how to asess the need | 16:42 |
| bauzas | ok ok, looks to me we discussed too much on this one | 16:42 |
| bauzas | if nobody really expresses the need here, fair enough | 16:42 |
| dansmith | gibi: I usually assess the need when someone comes asking for it, or we help someone find, fix an issue and identify some piece oftooling we need to give them to fix the mess | 16:42 |
| bauzas | tbh, the bug was reported a while ago | 16:43 |
| bauzas | and because of *ME* | 16:43 |
| bauzas | it took age to merge | 16:43 |
| dansmith | gibi: like the recent thing we broke in the db migration, the operator brought it, we fixed, backported the thing needed and helped him clean up the database corruption | 16:43 |
| bauzas | ages* | 16:43 |
| bauzas | so it would be a bit fair to propose the change a bit down the road | 16:43 |
| gibi | dansmith: OK thanks for the explanation | 16:44 |
| bauzas | and again, blame me for my perpetual PTOs | 16:44 |
| * artom blames all of France | 16:44 | |
| bauzas | maybe mnaser has a thought on this ? | 16:44 |
| bauzas | he's part of the solution | 16:45 |
| bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1793569 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793569 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Add placement audit commands" [Wishlist,Fix released] - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 16:45 |
| bauzas | but he's not in this chat | 16:45 |
| bauzas | okay, i think we're ratholing | 16:45 |
| dansmith | yes | 16:45 |
| melwitt | I guess I would suggest an ML post and ping mnaser, belmiro, and so on to reply | 16:45 |
| artom | bauzas, face it, it's dead Jim | 16:45 |
| melwitt | if you would like some inputs | 16:46 |
| bauzas | cool | 16:46 |
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| dansmith | again, the only outcome from that will be yes :) | 16:46 |
| bauzas | in the meantime, there is no harsh to remove the DNM tag on the Stein and Train proposals | 16:46 |
| bauzas | and leave people vote on it :) | 16:46 |
| bauzas | if nobody steps up, cool bro | 16:47 |
| artom | bauzas, without leaking too much RH stuff in here, I'd like to remind you that it's supposed to be an escalation, so time is important | 16:47 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I'll go do that now | 16:47 |
| bauzas | I wouldn't argue here about the priority | 16:47 |
| gibi | OK. I think we have a way forward here | 16:47 |
| gibi | anything else to discuss for the open? | 16:47 |
| bauzas | dansmith: thanks | 16:48 |
| gibi | refering back to artom's earlier question about placement, it turned out that there was no active stable maint placement core | 16:48 |
| gibi | but efried fixed it now | 16:48 |
| artom | \o/ | 16:48 |
| dansmith | gibi: that doesn't fix it, | 16:48 |
| bauzas | don't nova-core can merge things ? | 16:49 |
| dansmith | it just means there are people on tat team :) | 16:49 |
| artom | /o\ | 16:49 |
| bauzas | or the stable-maint cores ? | 16:49 |
| dansmith | doesn't mean they're active I mean | 16:49 |
| gibi | dansmith: it allows us to repopulate the team in gerrit | 16:49 |
| dansmith | gibi: I'm just tongue-in-cheek arguing over the definition of "active" :P | 16:49 |
| gibi | dansmith: hehh. I can grow a leg there if there is need for backports | 16:50 |
| bauzas | we're taking of a project where 90% of its code is either SQL or API ? | 16:50 |
| melwitt | I will make sure to check stable branch over there periodically | 16:50 |
| gibi | melwitt: thanks! | 16:50 |
| stephenfin | nova-core == placement-core == nova-stable-maint == placement-stable-maint would be so much simpler | 16:50 |
| bauzas | sounds a particular good candidate for getting a shit ton of acceptable backports :D | 16:51 |
| gibi | bauzas: :D | 16:51 |
| bauzas | I mean, seriously, | 16:51 |
| bauzas | is that a thing ? | 16:51 |
| stephenfin | nah. more that the trivial stuff wouldn't be held up | 16:51 |
| bauzas | not that the code isn't broken | 16:51 |
| bauzas | just that the stable policy prevents us to merge a huge number of changes except bugfixes that no longer return 500 | 16:52 |
| stephenfin | yup, I wouldn't expect that to change | 16:52 |
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| gibi | OK. anything else to discuss? | 16:54 |
| gibi | thank thanks for joining | 16:54 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 30 16:55:02 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-04-30-16.00.html | 16:55 |
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