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| jeremyfreudberg | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 14 14:00:31 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hi ierdem | 14:01 |
| ierdem | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we will wait a few minutes to see whether tosky or tellesnobrega will join | 14:01 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:02 |
| tosky | (but a bit busy) | 14:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no worries | 14:02 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic news/updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "news/updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | so ussuri is now totally done | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not much exciting to say on the sahara side about that | 14:03 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we've also had some py38 fixes go in recently | 14:04 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic open discussion | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, feel free to add any status | 14:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ierdem: we can use this time talk about your work and any problems you are facing | 14:06 |
| tosky | (not other points from me; we did release somehow!) | 14:07 |
| ierdem | ok, i can explain sth about my work. I am trying to add CDH 6.3.2 plugin to Sahara. I faced some problems about that such as Python3.x incompatibilities | 14:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks for your efforts so far | 14:10 |
| ierdem | I have cloud which deployed with OSA and version is stable/train. Firstly, i started to change source codes cheating from v5.13.0 | 14:11 |
| ierdem | after these changes, i tried to create and register image for CDH 6.3.2 but i could not test it yet because other services like heat gives error when i try to launch cluster. For now, i am debugging these errors and also i inform #openstack-sahara channel with this bugs and problems. All is this for now, thanks | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, thank you ierdem for that summary and for all your effort | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ierdem: i am going to open a bug on sahara storyboard to track the py3 (int-str) issue | 14:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | beyond that, i can try to help you debug heat issue | 14:14 |
| ierdem | I would be glad if you can, thanks | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ierdem: did you look at [trustee] in sahara.conf yet? | 14:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i feel that heat.conf is probably fine because you said murano is alreay working | 14:19 |
| ierdem | yes i checked it. This is sahara.conf [trustee] section http://paste.openstack.org/show/793589/ and this is heat's http://paste.openstack.org/show/793590/ | 14:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | looks reasonable to me | 14:23 |
| ierdem | I couldn't see anything wrong at there but surely i could be missed something | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and you do you have the full traceback in the heat log? | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | or if it's not a traceback (merely an error message) maybe some more context? | 14:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | btw, https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007673 | 14:25 |
| ierdem | At heat journal, it just gives that http://paste.openstack.org/show/793581/ | 14:25 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hmm, interesting, it may be something with roles | 14:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | it's been a long time since i thought about this stuff | 14:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i will have to do some research and get back to you | 14:29 |
| ierdem | ok, i will do research too. Thanks for all your helps | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks again for your contributions | 14:30 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, i will end this meeting | 14:31 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 14 14:31:18 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-05-14-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-05-14-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-05-14-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 14 16:00:22 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 16:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| artom | ~o~ | 16:00 |
| * bauzas now sweats after running for being in time | 16:00 | |
| bauzas | I'm probably breathing too loud | 16:01 |
| gibi | lets get started | 16:01 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:01 | |
| * artom follows the ea/ee switch to its logical end, and concludes that bauzas is sweeting for the meating. | 16:01 | |
| gibi | No critical bugs | 16:02 |
| lyarwood | \o | 16:02 |
| gibi | #link 29 new untriaged bugs (-2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:02 |
| bauzas | artom: you're meen | 16:02 |
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| gibi | is there any bug that needs special attention on this meeting? | 16:02 |
| gibi | if not then moving forward | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | Ussuri has been released #link https://www.openstack.org/software/ussuri/ | 16:04 |
| gibi | Thank you all for making this release happen! | 16:04 |
| * gibi is going to have a cold beer for Ussuri after the meeting | 16:04 | |
| bauzas | fortunately, we aren't on Slack where stupid emojis and GIFs could happen | 16:05 |
| bauzas | IRC++ | 16:05 |
| gibi | I can try to copy-paste some ASCII art if needed ;] | 16:05 |
| artom | bauzas, 🚁 you were saying? | 16:06 |
| bauzas | moving on ? :) | 16:06 |
| gibi | is there anything about the past or the coming release to discuss today? | 16:06 |
| gibi | I guess not so then | 16:07 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:07 | |
| gibi | lyarwood: do you have any news for us? | 16:07 |
| lyarwood | gibi: nothing for stable today | 16:08 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:08 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:08 | |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:08 |
| gmann | one things to disucss | 16:08 |
| gmann | for policy work we left the deprecated APIs to move to new defaults and scope | 16:08 |
| gmann | I can complete those in this cycle so that when we remove the old defaults we can remove from all | 16:09 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy point was we should do for deprecated APIs also as they are still supported. | 16:10 |
| gmann | opinion? | 16:10 |
| gmann | deprecated APIs are mostly proxy APIs | 16:10 |
| artom | We still have those? | 16:10 |
| gibi | I have no objection adding the new scopes for the still supported but deprecated APIs | 16:10 |
| bauzas | I thought stephenfin made a huge cleanup | 16:11 |
| bauzas | which ones are we talking of ? | 16:11 |
| gmann | bauzas: for nova-network its gone but other are there like sec grp, volume , image | 16:11 |
| bauzas | ah rght | 16:11 |
| bauzas | so then I tend to agree with johnthetubaguy | 16:12 |
| gibi | gmann: please file a blueprint for tracking purposes | 16:12 |
| * artom is still reading through the api-ref, but they all look to have been removed entirely in some microversion... | 16:12 | |
| gmann | its policy things otherwise we can say no enhancement to deprecated things | 16:12 |
| dansmith | agree with gibi and bauzas | 16:13 |
| gmann | gibi: ok, sure. spec less BP right as it is continue of old spec | 16:13 |
| bauzas | deprecated means that we support regression bugfixes but we don't provide new features | 16:13 |
| bauzas | but here, it's policy things | 16:13 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:13 |
| gibi | gmann: yes, it does not need a separate spec, just link to the old one | 16:13 |
| gmann | ok, thanks | 16:13 |
| gmann | that's all from my side on API today | 16:14 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 16:14 |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:14 |
| bauzas | well | 16:14 |
| bauzas | we're slowing starting to organize ourselves | 16:14 |
| bauzas | aarents reported 2 bugs that are reviewed | 16:15 |
| bauzas | another one is being reviewed as well | 16:15 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-libvirt-subteam | 16:15 |
| bauzas | no other business to mention except maybe kashyap's q35 strategy but he's not around | 16:15 |
| bauzas | that's it | 16:15 |
| * bauzas just needs to do his homework on the review side | 16:16 | |
| gibi | bauzas: cool, thanks bauzas | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda | 16:16 |
| gibi | is there anything stuck that we need to discuss today? | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:17 | |
| gibi | Specless blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/six-removal (takashin) | 16:17 |
| gibi | Is there any objection approving it ? | 16:17 |
| bauzas | ahem | 16:17 |
| bauzas | this would make sense to work on this now that we only support py3 | 16:18 |
| gmann | +1 | 16:18 |
| bauzas | this being said, it's a pain to both work on it and review such large changes | 16:18 |
| bauzas | in the past, we discussed those kind of 'nice-to-have' large series during the PTGs so that the whole nova core team would agree on this | 16:19 |
| bauzas | six isn't mock | 16:19 |
| artom | It's boring work, but is it really hard? | 16:19 |
| bauzas | and I'm afraid we could generate some bugs during reviews that would appear trivial | 16:19 |
| bauzas | so at least we need to come up with a consensus | 16:20 |
| dansmith | my major complaint is that it generates churn, conflicts, and backport annoyance | 16:20 |
| bauzas | dansmith: that's my point | 16:20 |
| dansmith | for no actual gain | 16:20 |
| gmann | backport anyways needs to be anyways py2 compatible during backporting | 16:20 |
| bauzas | it's a major source of frustration for both the owner and the reviewers | 16:20 |
| gmann | mean for new changes we anyways will not support six right | 16:21 |
| bauzas | for the owner, that will mean a constant rebase | 16:21 |
| bauzas | for the reviewers, that will mean some code reviews that aren't honestly trivial | 16:21 |
| bauzas | gmann: dansmith was referring to any backport from a py3-only file | 16:22 |
| dansmith | mox removal was basically in the same camp, except it was limited to tests, and also had the goal of getting us off a technically unsupported library (even though it has never been a problem) | 16:22 |
| bauzas | not the fact we would start changing ussuri or what other release | 16:22 |
| dansmith | this is conflicts everywhere | 16:22 |
| bauzas | dansmith: I exacly had mox in mind | 16:22 |
| bauzas | I'm not opposed to the work | 16:22 |
| gmann | yeah py3-only file backport can be conflict things | 16:23 |
| bauzas | but I just feel it's a massive effort for zero gain | 16:23 |
| artom | dansmith, so when would you propose we remove it, if ever? When Ussuri is the oldest supported stable branch, so that we know backports don't have to care about Py2 | 16:23 |
| artom | ? | 16:23 |
| dansmith | IMHO, this is a mental cleanliness ticky mark that is a bunch of work t make us feel better, for no gain. But I'm quite sure it'll just happen anyway | 16:23 |
| bauzas | artom: I honestly feel nobody thought about backports when we started writing py3 only code | 16:23 |
| dansmith | artom: if it were me I would spend no time on it pretty much ever, but waiting until py2 releases are out of support is at least something | 16:24 |
| dansmith | just letting it die by attrition would be fine with me | 16:24 |
| bauzas | honestly, tox is a wrapper | 16:24 |
| bauzas | whoops | 16:24 |
| * bauzas facepalms | 16:24 | |
| gmann | bauzas: that is why (due to backport) these cleanup was not part of py-2 drop goal. | 16:24 |
| gibi | OK I don't see a consensus to approve the bp. I will not this down in the bp linking back to this discussion. | 16:25 |
| gibi | I will note* | 16:25 |
| bauzas | gibi: maybe having takashi around when we discuss it could be nice | 16:25 |
| bauzas | hence a PTG thing | 16:25 |
| bauzas | b/c I'm not sure he's full onboard with what it means in terms of patches carry over | 16:26 |
| gibi | bauzas: sure | 16:26 |
| bauzas | but agreed with dansmith, letting it die by attrition sounds good to me | 16:26 |
| gibi | I'm OK to discuss it on the PTG or in a separate ML thread stared by takashi | 16:26 |
| bauzas | six isn't exactly large | 16:26 |
| dansmith | it's also not like mox where the whole *approach* to the code has to be different | 16:27 |
| dansmith | thus it's just a little syntactic sugar in places | 16:27 |
| bauzas | yup | 16:27 |
| bauzas | again, just a wrapper | 16:27 |
| bauzas | I was personnally offering to discuss this at PTG time because I do care of stable branches | 16:28 |
| bauzas | and I don't want us to be too much py3-only pedantic on ussuri and later branches if that goes starting to be backported | 16:29 |
| bauzas | somehow continuing to use six would have my favor :) | 16:29 |
| dansmith | are we done? | 16:29 |
| gibi | done | 16:29 |
| gibi | nothing more on the agenda | 16:29 |
| bauzas | I think so, was thinking out loud | 16:29 |
| gibi | is there anyithing else to discuss? | 16:29 |
| gibi | then thank you all for being here! For EU it is beertime! | 16:30 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 14 16:30:50 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-05-14-16.00.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-05-14-16.00.txt | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-05-14-16.00.log.html | 16:30 |
| bauzas | gibi: can't say it better | 16:31 |
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