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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 16:00:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| rambo_li | hi | 16:00 |
| artom | o/ (Right on time, noon church bells are going off and everything) | 16:00 |
| dansmith | greo/ | 16:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| gibi | let's get started | 16:02 |
| gibi | thank you dansmith for chairing the last week meeting in my absence | 16:02 |
| dansmith | np | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | No Critical bugs | 16:02 |
| gibi | #link 39 new untriaged bugs (+3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:02 |
| gibi | please look at the untriaged bug list and try to push some bugs forward | 16:02 |
| gibi | is there any high profile bug we need to discuss today? | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Runways | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Runways (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-runways-victoria | 16:04 |
| gibi | the slot for #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-emulated-virtual-tpm will expire today | 16:04 |
| gibi | I don't see too much review progress lately there | 16:04 |
| gibi | the #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/policy-defaults-refresh-deprecated-apis still has more than a week in the slot and has already a +2 so we only need a second core to push it | 16:04 |
| gibi | the third slot is empty | 16:05 |
| gibi | he next in the queue is #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cyborg-shelve-and-unshelve but it has negative feedback and in merge conflict so I'll drop it from the queue | 16:05 |
| gibi | the next is #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/provider-config-file (tony_su) which also has negative feedback | 16:05 |
| gibi | this might be worth to put in a slot as tony_su is actively working on it as far as I see | 16:06 |
| gibi | or we can put the next one from the queue #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/cyborg-rebuild-and-evacuate+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 16:06 |
| gibi | what do you think? | 16:06 |
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| gibi | I guess the silence means that we don't feel motivate to have anyithing in the third slot so I keep it empty for now | 16:08 |
| gibi | it is summertime anyhow | 16:08 |
| gibi | anything else about the stuff in runway slots? | 16:09 |
| * sean-k-mooney checks | 16:10 | |
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| sean-k-mooney | provider.yaml would be nice to complete | 16:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | if its ready for a slot | 16:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | other then that i think 2 items is fine | 16:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | the vtpm stuff is failly invovled | 16:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | so there is a lot with that and the policy work as it is | 16:11 |
| gibi | OK then keeping the slots as is. I would really want the policy work to move forward | 16:12 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:12 | |
| gibi | last week we hit spec freeze. We will discuss freeze exceptions in the Open discussion section at the end. | 16:12 |
| gibi | anything else about the upcoming release? | 16:12 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:13 | |
| gibi | lyarwood, elod : do you have some news for us? | 16:14 |
| lyarwood | gibi: nothing from me, elod? | 16:14 |
| elod | nothing from me either :) | 16:14 |
| gibi | ack | 16:14 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:15 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:15 | |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 16:15 |
| gmann | only one things about review on policy patches having stephenfin +2 already | 16:15 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/policy-defaults-refresh-deprecated-apis+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 16:15 |
| gmann | its in runway also as you mentioned early | 16:16 |
| gibi | yepp | 16:16 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:16 |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:16 |
| lyarwood | he's out on PTO for 3 weeks and there's nothing on the pad AFAIK | 16:16 |
| gibi | OK, thanks | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda. Is there anything to discuss here? | 16:17 |
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| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:18 | |
| gibi | lets start with spec freeze exceptions | 16:18 |
| gibi | (Rambo <lijie@unitedstack.com>): Spec freeze exception for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/739349/ | 16:18 |
| gibi | add volume backed server rebuild spec | 16:19 |
| gibi | As far as I see there is a change compared to the originally planned cinder-nova interaction | 16:19 |
| rambo_li | I communicated with the Cinder team, there are some questions to determine, so they will discuss this more at the midcycle next week. | 16:19 |
| rambo_li | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting-alt/%23openstack-meeting-alt.2020-08-05.log.html#t2020-08-05T14:25:16 | 16:19 |
| gibi | rambo_li: do I undesrstand from the cinder meeting logs that the change from polling to os-server-externa-notification is not discussed yet? | 16:20 |
| rambo_li | yes, not discussed | 16:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | i did not see that mentioned in the log but i could have missed it | 16:21 |
| gibi | I'm affraid we are running out of time for this spec on the nova side. I would only be confortable granting exception if everything would be set before end of this week | 16:21 |
| gibi | but I encurage to continue discussing it with cinder and nova teams | 16:21 |
| rambo_li | so can we approved this in nova firstly? | 16:23 |
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| sean-k-mooney | cinder seam to not have added a microveriosn when then added the new api | 16:24 |
| gibi | the question is how confident we are that cinder is OK with the external event. This is a new piece of logic that cinder needs to do | 16:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we still have an open question of how we dedect if reimage is supported at all | 16:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | even if we went back to polling | 16:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i think we need an api chane in any case | 16:25 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: but reimage is an api change, isn't it? | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | and when they added it | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | they did not add a microverion | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | so stien and train use the same one | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | but it was added in train | 16:25 |
| rambo_li | yes, the reimage api should add a microversion | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/api_microversion_history.html#maximum-in-stein-and-train | 16:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | rambo_li: wasnt reimage added in trian | 16:26 |
| rambo_li | not merge | 16:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh ok | 16:26 |
| rambo_li | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/606346/ | 16:27 |
| rambo_li | this review is add microversion | 16:27 |
| rambo_li | added | 16:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | then ya we just need to know if cinder are ok with the change in poling to event | 16:27 |
| rambo_li | yea | 16:27 |
| rambo_li | yes | 16:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | then we can check for 2.61 | 16:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | can you ask the cinder team to comment on that | 16:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | you can link to the irc logs or this | 16:28 |
| gibi | to summarize. I'm willing to grant exception if cinder confirms that they are OK with the event approach. But the deadline to approve the spec is end of this week | 16:28 |
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| gibi | I will leave my tentative +2 vote there after the meeting | 16:29 |
| rambo_li | sean-k-mooney: ok, I understand | 16:29 |
| rambo_li | gibi: thank you | 16:29 |
| gibi | cool | 16:29 |
| gibi | moving forward | 16:29 |
| gibi | (mlycka): Spec freeze exception for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/702810/ | 16:29 |
| gibi | Enable REST quiescing | 16:30 |
| gibi | there are multiple -1 on this one | 16:30 |
| gibi | I see that there is discussion about using os-server-external-events for quiescing the attached volume | 16:30 |
| gibi | or using a separate server action | 16:30 |
| gibi | for me this depends on the actual use case | 16:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | so on irc it was mentioned that they wanted to use this without cidner | 16:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | using a third party backup solution | 16:31 |
| gibi | until now I thought that the end user would ask Cinder to snapshot a volume, and then Cinder would call Nova to quesing | 16:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes that is wht the spec implies | 16:32 |
| gibi | is it supported to backup a Cinder volume without Cinder knowing about it? | 16:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i think they are going to run somehting in the vm to do the backup | 16:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | which would be | 16:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | but if they are going to the cinder backend i would say no | 16:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | the same way we dont support peopel doing backup and restore of the qcow files on the compute host | 16:33 |
| gibi | if they go into the VM then they can also quiesce the VM from inside | 16:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes that is true which confusted me why this was needed | 16:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | if this is only for cinder then im fine with the external event | 16:34 |
| gibi | I think there was other things open in that spec too | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | last line of problem descrition "No other actor, such as an external backup tool, is able to quiesce a VM." | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes johnthetubaguy | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | you had some open quetion regarding the change from the previouly appoved spec | 16:36 |
| gibi | I don't feel like we can answer all these during tomorrow | 16:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/expose-quiesce-unquiesce-api.html | 16:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | i dont thnk so either althoguh im not really invested in this spec | 16:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh so the previous spec give a much better usecase | 16:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | takeing a snapshot fo a group of vms | 16:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | and it uses an instance action | 16:38 |
| gibi | OK, we have to go back to the use case | 16:39 |
| gibi | which means more discussion | 16:39 |
| gibi | which means I don't think we should grant an freeze exception for this | 16:39 |
| gibi | let's continue discussing the use case in V and have an agreed spec for early W feels better | 16:40 |
| gibi | sorry | 16:40 |
| gibi | moving on | 16:40 |
| gibi | (gibi): Spec freeze exception for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733703 | 16:40 |
| gibi | Routed network scheduling spec | 16:40 |
| gibi | it basically has 2 +2s | 16:40 |
| gibi | I was away last week so I could not approve it in time | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | just to be clear this will not fix everything related to routed netwroks | 16:41 |
| gibi | is there any objection to approve it now? | 16:41 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: yes, it is a next step forward with route net | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | but the issue it does fix make the situation defetly better then todya | 16:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i think it makes sense for incremetal improvement | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep so no object from me | 16:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | *objection | 16:42 |
| gibi | going once | 16:43 |
| gibi | going twice | 16:43 |
| gibi | approved | 16:44 |
| gibi | moving forward | 16:44 |
| gibi | so these were the spec freeze exception | 16:44 |
| gibi | s | 16:44 |
| gibi | (gibi): I will be on vacation during the next two weeks. I need volunteer(s) to run the next two nova meetings. | 16:44 |
| * sean-k-mooney admires the silence | 16:45 | |
| gibi | I will be a bit less gone than last week so I might pop in for a quick check during both weeks but not be able to run meetings | 16:45 |
| gibi | as an alternative I can cancel the next two meetings | 16:45 |
| * lyarwood can help run the next two meetings | 16:46 | |
| gibi | \o/ thanks lyarwood ! | 16:46 |
| gibi | then moving forward | 16:46 |
| gibi | (lyarwood): https://launchpad.net/~nova-coresec - Do we need to reseed this team with active core team members? | 16:46 |
| lyarwood | Yeah I noticed that johnthetubaguy and dansmith are the only semi active Nova cores in that team at the moment | 16:47 |
| lyarwood | and wonderd if we wanted to get more people listed there? | 16:47 |
| lyarwood | gibi: I'd assume you would like to be as PTL at least? | 16:47 |
| dansmith | fwiw, I don't think the ptl is generally added to that list in the past, | 16:48 |
| gibi | for some reason I already see the private secu bugs in launchpad | 16:48 |
| lyarwood | oh well there we go then | 16:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: if you have been added to cc you can | 16:48 |
| dansmith | but it's common to copy them which makes them visible | 16:48 |
| lyarwood | right TIL | 16:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: often the security team will add the ptl | 16:48 |
| gibi | then I know the reason | 16:48 |
| gibi | you can corner me to help in with this work | 16:49 |
| lyarwood | ack thanks | 16:49 |
| gibi | but I would like to get a specific trigger to know where to help | 16:49 |
| gibi | do we have any good candidate to be added to that team? | 16:50 |
| gibi | lyarwood: are you volunteering? ;) | 16:50 |
| lyarwood | haha no I've only just been made a core | 16:51 |
| lyarwood | I just wanted to raise it with the group and see if anyone was interested | 16:51 |
| lyarwood | we don't need to dwell on it, we can move on | 16:51 |
| gibi | OK, so if somebody interested to joint to the security team then let dansmith or johnthetubaguy know | 16:51 |
| gibi | lyarwood: thanks for noticing and bringing this up | 16:52 |
| gibi | this was the last item on the agenda | 16:52 |
| gibi | is there any other topic for today? | 16:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | just quickly for os-vif | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | the non client lib freeze is septemebr 3rd | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | but i would like to try an finalise it august 27th | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | to give us a week if anything is found after teh relese | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | although we are not changing much this cycle | 16:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i dont epect to need it | 16:54 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: thanks. Is there anyithing outstanding that we really want to lend in os-vif before the freeze? | 16:54 |
| gibi | land | 16:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | i want to change one default | 16:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | and then just the ubuntu 20.04 change | 16:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | but not really | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | thre are currently 4 patches | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think we can land them all | 16:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | no rush yet | 16:55 |
| gibi | cool | 16:55 |
| gibi | thanks for the headsup | 16:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | the default change is using the python binding instead of cli for ovs db | 16:56 |
| gmann | i will rebase the ubuntu 20.04 one, seems merge conflict https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738130/ | 16:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | cool | 16:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think we are done so | 16:57 |
| gibi | OK | 16:57 |
| gibi | if nothing else then thanks for joining today | 16:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 16:58 |
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| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 16:58:33 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-08-06-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-08-06-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-08-06-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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