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| jeremyfreudberg_ | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 14:00:33 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeremyfreudberg_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| *** jeremyfreudberg_ is now known as jeremyfreudberg | 14:00 | |
| *** jeremyfreudberg is now known as jeremyfreudberg_ | 14:01 | |
| jeremyfreudberg_ | #chair jeremyfreudberg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: jeremyfreudberg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jeremyfreudberg jeremyfreudberg_ | 14:01 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky: are you around? | 14:04 |
| tosky | hi! | 14:05 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #topic open discussion | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:05 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | just want to say for the record that i worked on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2008233 but the issue could not be reproduced | 14:06 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | related to that, we lack any documentation about the necessary environment variables for devstack to clone sahara-plugin-* from stable branch vs master | 14:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so i will document it when i find some time | 14:07 |
| tosky | oh, good point | 14:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yeah, it took me a minute to realize it | 14:09 |
| tosky | I've noticed your comments, and I was kind of sure that was the result (no real bug) | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and i only realized it because master is python3-only but i was installing train on ubuntu 18 which is python2 | 14:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | anyway, we can wait for the user to come back any hopefully agree with my assessment | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | *and | 14:10 |
| jeremyfreudberg | okay, is there anything else we need to discuss | 14:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | anything about releases? | 14:12 |
| tosky | it seems the requirements fixes in victoria haven't landed in the stable released version | 14:13 |
| tosky | so we may do a follow-up soon-ish | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | right | 14:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | okay, i guess we can close | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:18 | |
| tosky | there was also a request for a pike sahara image on the list | 14:18 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 14:18:50 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-10-15-14.00.html | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-10-15-14.00.txt | 14:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2020/sahara.2020-10-15-14.00.log.html | 14:18 |
| tosky | but I answered :) | 14:18 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:00:09 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 16:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 16:00 |
| elod | o/ | 16:01 |
| gibi | lets get started | 16:01 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:01 | |
| gibi | No critical bugs | 16:01 |
| gibi | #link 6 new untriaged bugs (0 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:01 |
| gibi | is there any specific bug we need to talk about? | 16:02 |
| melwitt | I have a bug to bring up | 16:02 |
| artom | o/ | 16:02 |
| melwitt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1799298 is two years old but recently flagged as a security issue downstream, | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1799298 in OpenStack Compute (nova) rocky "Metadata API cross joining instance_metadata and instance_system_metadata" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:02 |
| melwitt | just wanted to bring it to attention and ask for help in solving it as it does not look straightforward based on the past bug comments | 16:03 |
| dansmith | we don't join those tables for pulling the instance, | 16:03 |
| dansmith | and haven't since icehouse-ish | 16:04 |
| dansmith | is this a query specifically that metadata uses that is still doing a join? | 16:04 |
| melwitt | there is a query and they confirmed it's this one... and they said they also found it present in train | 16:05 |
| gibi | reading the bug mriedem said that the instance password is needed from the system_metadata | 16:06 |
| dansmith | right, but when we load an instance now, we actually query the instance, then query metadata, then sysmeta, and squash them together | 16:07 |
| dansmith | that's what instances_fill_metadata() is | 16:07 |
| melwitt | would this not do the join with system_metadata? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/metadata/base.py#L675 | 16:08 |
| dansmith | so I'm wondering if there's a specific db api method that metadata uses to pull the instance, which is somehow letting those columns get into the initial query, but shouldn't? | 16:08 |
| dansmith | melwitt: well, those are supposed to be treated differently down the stack, | 16:09 |
| dansmith | they are for instance_get(), but my point is maybe this metadata-only query is bypassing that somehow | 16:09 |
| melwitt | ack | 16:09 |
| dansmith | anyway, we should probably not derail the meeting and can discuss in -nova | 16:10 |
| melwitt | yep, thanks, at least there's some thread to pull now | 16:11 |
| gibi | OK | 16:11 |
| gibi | is there any other bug we need to talk about? | 16:11 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:12 | |
| gibi | Victoria has been released | 16:12 |
| gibi | Thank you all for your valuable contributions | 16:12 |
| gibi | master is now fully open for Wallaby | 16:12 |
| gibi | and we should focus on reviewing incoming specs and preparing for the PTG | 16:12 |
| gibi | I will create the wallaby runway etherpad tomorrw | 16:13 |
| gibi | anything else about Victoria or Wallaby? | 16:13 |
| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:14 | |
| gibi | elod left comments on the wiki ... | 16:14 |
| gibi | "Victoria is now a fully normal stable branch, and the normal stable policy now applies." | 16:15 |
| gibi | stable/stein will transition to Extended Maintenance in 2020-11-11 | 16:15 |
| gibi | should prepare a final release from Stein | 16:15 |
| gibi | consider which patches should be part of the final release | 16:15 |
| gibi | current list of patches: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-stable-stein-em | 16:15 |
| elod | yepp, that's all, actually, | 16:16 |
| elod | I'll focus on Stein in the coming weeks | 16:16 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:16 |
| elod | let me know if you see any patch that should be definitely be part of the final release | 16:16 |
| elod | np | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:17 | |
| gibi | skipping API as gmann cannot join today | 16:17 |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:17 |
| gibi | I guess the silence means no news | 16:19 |
| gibi | #topic PTG and Forum planning | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG and Forum planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:19 | |
| gibi | Next week is Summit week: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule | 16:19 |
| gibi | Week after next week is PTG # link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-wallaby-ptg | 16:20 |
| gibi | is there anything we need to discuss regarding these events? | 16:21 |
| gibi | I will focus my time on Fishbowls during next week | 16:21 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:22 | |
| gibi | we have one topic from stephenfin | 16:22 |
| gibi | (stephenfin) Specless BP approval for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compact-db-migrations-wallaby | 16:22 |
| gibi | tl;dr: I want to go at least as far as Train, and then rework any Ussuri or Victoria migrations to use alembic. Initial cleanup work available at https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bp/compact-db-migrations-wallaby | 16:22 |
| gibi | can we approve this specless bp? | 16:23 |
| dansmith | I suspect this will be a lot more work than it seems, | 16:24 |
| artom | My paranoid nature is immediately skeptical of changing something as crucial as DB schema in stable releases | 16:24 |
| gibi | artom: this compacts the old migration on master | 16:24 |
| dansmith | as my experience from briefly touching alembic in glance is that the replicability of the schema stuff can get weird in things like unit tests | 16:24 |
| dansmith | artom: right, not actually touching older releases, | 16:24 |
| artom | Ah, sorry, *facepalm* | 16:25 |
| dansmith | just squashing everything into state as of train | 16:25 |
| melwitt | yeah, I made a note on the ptg etherpad but basically I know we've talked about this before, and IIRC the conclusion was it wouldn't be a good idea to convert everything to alembic. but I'd have to go see if I can find artifacts from those discussions | 16:25 |
| gibi | dansmith: as far as I understand the current bp only propose the compaction not the alembic migration | 16:25 |
| dansmith | gibi: yeah, but using alembic going forward right? | 16:25 |
| dansmith | my point is just about converting all our db fixture stuff to alembic, multi-cells and all | 16:26 |
| gibi | dansmith: this would enable to move to alembic, yes | 16:26 |
| gibi | dansmith: but that move would be still a separate bp | 16:26 |
| dansmith | I totally recognize the need to compact, but I want to make sure we're super sure that the schema ends the same as it is now, so I hope we'll be very diligent about approving that compaction only after lots of review | 16:26 |
| bauzas | gibi: sorry, parenting urgent issue | 16:26 |
| dansmith | gibi: ack, okay | 16:26 |
| bauzas | gibi: nothing to report | 16:27 |
| gibi | bauzas: OK, thanks | 16:27 |
| dansmith | gibi: if the specless bp is just for the compaction, then that's fine with me | 16:27 |
| gibi | dansmith: I do suggest to talk about the alembic plans during the PTG | 16:27 |
| bauzas | I think there are two asks | 16:27 |
| bauzas | #1 for packing DB upgrades | 16:28 |
| artom | dansmith, we could do something with tests, I think. This stuff is supposed to be 100% deterministic, so... run the old uncompacted migrations, run the news one, starting the the exact same schema, and assert the resulting schema is the same? | 16:28 |
| bauzas | #2 for using alembic | 16:28 |
| bauzas | fwiw, #1 seems good to me, but for #2, meh | 16:28 |
| dansmith | artom: yes | 16:28 |
| artom | This wouldn't apply to data migrations, right? | 16:28 |
| dansmith | artom: my point is, it's easy to say "the tests pass that used to pass, so they must be identical" and that's not enough, | 16:28 |
| bauzas | actually, I have the same opinion than dansmith | 16:28 |
| dansmith | artom: we need to make sure they emit the same schema | 16:28 |
| dansmith | artom: this has nothing to do with data migrations | 16:29 |
| artom | Ack | 16:29 |
| artom | So, if we can have a one-time test that asserts the new thing results in the same schema as the old thing, I don't see why not | 16:30 |
| dansmith | that's what I'm saying | 16:30 |
| artom | That's what *I'm* saying ;) | 16:30 |
| dansmith | literally diff the mysqldump from a run generated with the current, and compacted thing, and they should be zero | 16:30 |
| bauzas | are we discussing about how to compacting the DB upgrades ? then yes ^ | 16:31 |
| dansmith | bauzas: how to *verify* the compaction | 16:31 |
| bauzas | how to verify* indeed, my bad | 16:32 |
| gibi | I dont see any objection against approving stephenfin's bp with a comment that it only covers the compaction of the migrations and not the alembic move. | 16:32 |
| bauzas | ++ | 16:32 |
| gibi | do I see it right? | 16:32 |
| bauzas | good luck tho | 16:32 |
| bauzas | I don't think it will be simple | 16:32 |
| bauzas | but meh | 16:32 |
| dansmith | gibi: yes, just footnote that we should be super review-y on the compaction please | 16:33 |
| gibi | dansmith: ack I will add that comment too | 16:33 |
| gibi | nothing else on the agenda for toda | 16:34 |
| gibi | y | 16:34 |
| gibi | anything else in the room to discuss? | 16:34 |
| * artom throws a small flat round object | 16:34 | |
| gibi | what do you have there artom ? :) | 16:35 |
| artom | A pun is what I have | 16:35 |
| gibi | :D | 16:35 |
| gibi | then thanks for joining today | 16:36 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:36 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 16:36:37 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-10-15-16.00.html | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-10-15-16.00.txt | 16:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-10-15-16.00.log.html | 16:36 |
| elod | thanks o/ | 16:37 |
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