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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 17 16:00:13 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | welcome everyone on the last nova meeting of 2020 | 16:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 16:00 |
| elod | o/ | 16:00 |
| lyarwood | \o (also on a downstream meeting) | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | No Critical bugs | 16:02 |
| gibi | #link 7 new untriaged bugs (-15 since the last meeting): #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:02 |
| gibi | which is an all time llow | 16:02 |
| gibi | since I'm follwing this | 16:02 |
| gibi | thank you all for bugtriage | 16:02 |
| gibi | is there any specific bugreport we need to talk about today? | 16:03 |
| gibi | #topic Gate status | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | master and stable/victoria has been unblocked | 16:04 |
| gibi | work on the other stable branches is still ongoing | 16:04 |
| gibi | to unblock them | 16:04 |
| gibi | (more on stable later) | 16:04 |
| gibi | Classification rate 45.7% (-4 since the last meeting) #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html | 16:05 |
| gibi | I guess I can say now that this % not in correlation with our known and unknown gate failures | 16:05 |
| gibi | or at least I didn't see that correlation in the last couple of months | 16:05 |
| gibi | so I will stop following this number | 16:06 |
| gibi | but still request everyone if they see a CI failure that is due to the specific patch under test then please look at it, file a bug and propose a E-R query | 16:06 |
| gibi | so we can get fix our flaky runs | 16:06 |
| gibi | any specific gate failre we need to talk about today? | 16:07 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:09 | |
| gibi | Milestone 2 is 22nd of Jan | 16:09 |
| gibi | which is also spec freeze for us | 16:09 |
| gibi | considering the coming holiday season we have rughly 2 real weeks left until spec freeze | 16:09 |
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| stephenfin | I assume that won't matter too much. It seems unlikely we'll get to work on more specs than we already have | 16:09 |
| gibi | yeah, I also think that we are pretty full, but spec feeze also means that we will look less at any spec proposed unit after FF | 16:10 |
| gibi | so if somebody needs to close the spec work before we forget all the context then it is time | 16:11 |
| stephenfin | ah, fair | 16:11 |
| gibi | any other release specific topic? | 16:11 |
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| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:12 | |
| gmann | o/ | 16:12 |
| gibi | (I'm going to copy the update from elod) | 16:13 |
| gibi | stable gate fixes are progressing, though slowly | 16:13 |
| gibi | gate of victoria, queens and pike should be OK | 16:13 |
| gibi | for ussuri the patch is on the gate (https://review.opendev.org/766738) | 16:13 |
| gibi | for train: first stein needs to be fixed, due to grenade job (errors are regarding: wrong bandit release + lower-constraints) | 16:13 |
| gibi | for stein the patch needs some care (bandit + lower-constraints, https://review.opendev.org/766487) | 16:13 |
| gibi | for rocky the patch is on the gate (https://review.opendev.org/766492) | 16:13 |
| gibi | EOM | 16:13 |
| elod | also there is a patch from lyarwood @ train: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/766622 | 16:14 |
| gibi | thanks elod | 16:14 |
| elod | np | 16:14 |
| gibi | and thanks all who pushing the fixes for the stable branches | 16:14 |
| gibi | any other stable related info? | 16:15 |
| elod | nothing from me | 16:15 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:16 |
| bauzas | nothing to tell, sir. | 16:16 |
| gibi | thanks | 16:16 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:16 | |
| gibi | there are two on the agenda | 16:16 |
| gibi | (stephenfin): let's agree on the way forward about #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/765797/1/specs/wallaby/approved/modernize-os-hypervisors-api.rst#205 | 16:17 |
| stephenfin | so yeah, really quick | 16:17 |
| gibi | reading the comments from sean-k-mooney and gmann I feel everybody is OK what is proposed in the spec | 16:17 |
| gibi | we just acknowledged that there could be other solutions too | 16:17 |
| stephenfin | ack, so you're thinking add the field to the main API response and drop the special '/uptime' endpoint? | 16:18 |
| stephenfin | rather than dropping that info entirely? | 16:18 |
| gibi | yeah, I'm OK with your proposal to move the uptime | 16:18 |
| gmann | I am fine with that. | 16:18 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: any last words? :) | 16:18 |
| stephenfin | sweet, I'll respin the patches to do that so | 16:19 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney is in a meeting with me but will respond after the meeting I suspect | 16:19 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney would never disagree though :P | 16:19 |
| gibi | OK, cool :P | 16:19 |
| gibi | then moving on | 16:19 |
| gmann | nice :) | 16:19 |
| gibi | another from the agenda | 16:19 |
| gibi | (Yumeng): cyborg GPU support spec has been updated https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/750116 | 16:19 |
| gibi | there is one controversal thing now in it | 16:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would prefer to drop it entirely but im ok with the proposal | 16:20 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: thanks | 16:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | i just wanted to raise the option of droping it | 16:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | so yes moving on | 16:20 |
| gibi | so when cyborg adds GPU support we will have to ways to support vGPUs to guest | 16:21 |
| gibi | the current nova only way, and the new nova + cyborg way | 16:21 |
| gibi | I do see that in the long run we should no spend effort keeping both solution supported | 16:21 |
| gibi | I see this similar (but smaller scale) to how we cut out nova net | 16:21 |
| gibi | bauzas seems to have issues with this or around this | 16:22 |
| gibi | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/750116/14/specs/wallaby/approved/support-vGPU-nova-cyborg-interaction.rst#225 | 16:22 |
| bauzas | I'm not opposed of having cyborg supporting vgpus | 16:22 |
| bauzas | I'm opposing of claiming to deprecate stuff in nova because cyborg | 16:22 |
| gibi | but why we pay double cost for this feature? | 16:23 |
| gibi | (and I'm not saying to deprecate it now, I say to deprecate in the future when cyborg support is stable) | 16:23 |
| bauzas | my only technical concern I have with this spec is to make sure that most of the nova usage is done by using the same modules and methods | 16:23 |
| bauzas | so this prevents the double cost | 16:23 |
| gibi | the mdev management will be doubled in libvirt driver + in cyborg agent as far as I see | 16:24 |
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| bauzas | gibi: we could make it unique if that's really a problem | 16:24 |
| bauzas | by using a common dependency | 16:25 |
| bauzas | but I feel this is premature | 16:25 |
| gibi | so I'm coming from the point where I tried to find the reason why cyborg adds support for something openstack already supports | 16:26 |
| gibi | and I do accept that a unified accelerator handling API is good for the end users | 16:26 |
| gibi | but then I realized that after cyborg we will have to ways to do the same thing. So it is not just doubled implementation vise but doubled API vise as well | 16:26 |
| bauzas | I personnally have thoughts on what cyborg is good at | 16:27 |
| bauzas | providing an inventory API | 16:27 |
| gibi | and I do understand that deciding about deprecation is premature. but I want to start discussion early to avoid the long nova-net neutron coexistence case with cyborg | 16:27 |
| bauzas | that's a different case here | 16:28 |
| bauzas | and that's exactly why I want to share code | 16:28 |
| gibi | how it is different (other the size) | 16:28 |
| bauzas | if we need to make it single, we can discuss on a common dependency that both nova and cyborg would pull for mdev management | 16:28 |
| gibi | but the common dependency only solves the code duplication but on the API flow duplication for vGPU support | 16:29 |
| bauzas | gibi: quantum was incepted from scratch, here we propose to have cyborg interacting with the existing nova bits the same way that nova does | 16:29 |
| gibi | cyborg is from the scratch and neutron does interface with nova similarly how cyborg today interface with nova | 16:30 |
| bauzas | either way, I feel this discussion is worth being held at a PTG :) | 16:30 |
| gibi | totally agree | 16:30 |
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| gibi | I just wanted to put my position out there early | 16:31 |
| bauzas | I'm not opposed to remove the mdev management in nova *eventually* | 16:31 |
| bauzas | but we're waaaays steps ahead of this | 16:31 |
| gibi | I want to plan the eventual removal early so that we not end up with nova-net 2 | 16:32 |
| bauzas | and I'd tell a solid base of users playing with cyborg and a various amount of contributors would make the leap shorter | 16:32 |
| gibi | agree | 16:32 |
| gibi | we need to see how cyborg is adopted out there | 16:32 |
| bauzas | and ideally being productized | 16:33 |
| bauzas | I haven't heard yet of distros providing it | 16:33 |
| gibi | I do see that my company is looking into adding cyborg to the product | 16:33 |
| gibi | but it is not in yet | 16:33 |
| bauzas | I'll be frank, my own company isn't getting interested in productising it *yet* | 16:33 |
| bauzas | not my own thought, but rather a top-level view | 16:34 |
| gibi | good to know these bits | 16:34 |
| bauzas | so, I apologize for me dragging it a bit, but removing it from nova would seriously mean hard work for us | 16:34 |
| gibi | anyhow it was good to talk about it bauzas, I will link this discussion tot he review | 16:35 |
| bauzas | and a non-trivial amount of resources to consider | 16:35 |
| gibi | bauzas: no need for apologizing | 16:35 |
| gibi | is there anything else for today? | 16:36 |
| bauzas | either way, my personal stake is that I'm okay to consider punting this feature from nova eventually, but we need a solid plan before selling it | 16:36 |
| gibi | totally agree ^^ | 16:36 |
| gibi | if no other topic today then | 16:37 |
| gibi | thanks for joing to the last meeting of 202 | 16:37 |
| gibi | 2020 | 16:37 |
| gibi | and have a nice holiday period | 16:37 |
| gibi | I will be here tomorrow but then I'm only back on 4th of Jan | 16:37 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 16:38 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:38 |
| elod | o/ | 16:38 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:38 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 16:38:30 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-12-17-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-12-17-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2020/nova.2020-12-17-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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